Playing Bioshock for the first time herewhat the fuck is his problem?
>>729273282Too many people want to get jobs and not enough people want to make money.
The entire games message is rich white people are evil sociopaths who would kill you just for looking at them funny.
>>729273282 You’re talking about Andrew Ryan, right? His “problem” is that he built a damn underwater city to escape government control and then got mad when people acted like humans with free will. Dude was obsessed with control while preaching freedom. Absolute irony overdose. Wait until you get to *that* scene, you’ll see just how twisted it all is. Keep going, it only gets wilder.
>>729273407I don't think thats true
>>729273407That's how it is in real life.
>>729273434No he's right. People in the game want to be succeeded by a system that works, but they are the creators of that system. They want a "job" but they are given superpowers, what job is there for someone with superpowers? That's the basic dilemma with moral objectivism, you can only do what you think is right in this lifetime, but people will invariably seek out "greater goods."
>>729273407it's actually about how power corrupts even the most freedom loving among us and that we should reject power for our own good.
Three different men in three different places were all telling him what to do with his brow sweat.
>>729273415game is a blastthere's even a recording of the ashkenazi jewish scientist woman who confesses that she felt in tune with nazis in Auschwitz , just like jews irl.
>>729273282https://web.archive.org/web/20250103121721/https://www.actionbutton.net/?p=371
>>729273282please stop playing bioshock 1 and start playing bioshock 2and don't forget to call bioshock 1 and bioshock infinite shitthis isn't a requestit is part of /v/'s religious beliefwe will not accept you, if you do not do these things
>>729273282He was Jewish
>>729273415Yeah this is itIt’s not really a critique of specific economic systems like a lot of retards harp on about It’s more a critique of people with established means thinking they can speak for the massesKind of like when Hollywood elites preach about “giving back” or whatever These people can only speak because they have the freedom from life’s struggles, and even if their idealism falls flat, they don’t fall with it, they just find a new “activism hobby”Ryan was a successful man who got mad because the government put limits on his power, so he got the idea of a free society in his head, but in practice he just wanted to be on top somewhere Fontaine was more of a man who could benefit from that type of world because he was a down-on-his-luck scoundrel Ryan realized this and said no no no it’s my city and my rules
>>729273407Well of course, Ken Levine is a jew.
Libertarian strawman
>>729273407((((((((((((((((((((white)))))))))))))))))
>>729273282he's based, Fontaine is the one with a problemAlso the game rips off the plot of Atlas Shrugged
>>729273282QUARK
>>729274251strawmans*
I have no clue man
>>729273282Would you kindly stop being a faggot?
>>729273282He's a libertarian.
>>729273282>man has a good idea with a point>let's make him evil by raping women and burning forests to the ground and mk ultra because fuck youEvery time
>>729273407No, the moral of the game is that the Irish are evil.
>>729273282>Refuses to regulate the market of super gene splicing drugs because he's just that libertarian>Bibles? Lol no that's giga banned since the beginning actuallyWtf?
>>729275128His "good point" was undercut significantly by his attempting to nationalize Fontaine's holdings in direct contravention to his free-market ideals.
>>729275191MMOOOOOIRRAAAAAAA
>>729273282>read and get brainwashed by russian commie demoralization psyop>derail completely and drag as much of society with you as possiblenot really a mystery, the weirdest part is how actual reality is much worse still, given Ayn Rand is the most popular author in the US
>>729273282Retard wants freedom but also wants to be in control. Bioshock's writing wasn't even good.
>>729273282He built a utopia for leftists and their science and godlessness led to their undoing. (That and drugs)
>>729273282There's no way his birth name was actually andrew ryan, right
>>729275598No, it's just americanized version of his slav name.
>Let's build a city where we assemble the world's greatest doctors, engineers, and scientists.>Sure! But which ones of these people should clean the toilets?>Umm...
>>729273407>The entire games message is rich white people are evilJews actually, like most of the major people in Rapture are jews. Ryan is not his real last name.
>>729275261His whole deal was that he wanted to create a society free of "parasites", entities which absorbed resources and created no monetary value.
>>729275757Yes? That's how the entire conflict got started - Andrew Ryan built a top-heavy society, Fontaine dragged in a bunch of no-hopers to fulfill the resultant gaps in services, and subsequently manipulated them into serving as his army in a conflict between the "fuck you I got mine" crowd and the peons he duped into dying for him.
>>729275261Religions and ideologies are inherently subversive. Let those people infest your utopia and they'll demand you change it to fit their views, plotting a revolution when you refuse. Fontaine was smuggling bibles for that exact reason.A few junkies are a much lesser issue in comparison.
the real problem was allowing people to splice themselves into demigods via vending machinei miss bs2 multiplayer, it wasn't anything special but it had some nice touches, like the base changing as you level
He had the biggest flaw of thinking he can become God, otherwise he was based in everything else
>>729273568This.>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow
>>729273407Not really. He was right about everything, but he let it go too far. The world of Bioshock is similar but not identical to ours.
>>729273782nah that guy smoked crack
>>729273282He wanted a society where the great would not be constrained by the small.Turns out you need to the small to make society function, and if you don't make society work at least somewhat for the small, someone else will come along and promise them the world if they just kill the assholes at the top.
>>729276243>Religions and ideologies are inherently subversivenext you'll be saying a shared language is subversive.
>>729276954That "sweat of your brow" bullshit applies to Ryan least of all. Ryan didn't build Rapture. Bill McDonaugh and his team did. Ryan didn't fill it with air and food. Julie Langdord did. Ryan didn't discover Adam or Plasmids. That was Brigid Tenenbaum and Yi Suchong. Ryan didn't even earn his wealth or pull himself up by his bootstraps, he got incredibly lucky by moving into a house with crude oil beneath it and then contracted out people to build the literal bubble he lives in, while being extremely dependent on the maintenence works that keep everyone alive, while doing everything in his power to antagonize them. People who subscribe to the idea that Andrew Ryan gave a flying fuck about anyone other than himself are the same types who people who simp for billionaires and call anyone who points out that they're fleecing the fuck out of you a communist. But I guess if I buy something from Amazon then I technically own the delivery driver
>>729273282big government oversight also the goyim, fontaine was an evil goy that destroyed his jewish paradise
>>729273282>dont fucking tell me what to do>oh wait you guys also dont want to be told what to do?
>>729273407It's a deconstruction of Ayn Rand's elitist attitude, Andrew Ryan builds a society strutctured after her capital makes right objectivist philosophy because he has the most capital and is high on his own farts, but then Fontaine comes along and rips it all away from him by being even more ruthless and uncaring in his business endeavours. It's a message both about there always being a bigger fish and how a society based on everything being done solely in the pursuit of greater wealth and greed will inevitably self destruct as it will always turn into a giant pissing contest between the most wealthy and powerful institutions and individuals within it. Andrew Ryan loves to yap on and on about the great chain of the economy but the reality is that he is a narcissistic douche who doesn't like it at all when the chain isn't being yanked in his direction.>Andrew Ryan...you can taste it, can't you?Reminder he's actually Soviet born and changed his name after immigrating to the US. Even his identity is a lie.
>>729277725that's not what rand believed in though?
>>729277819What did Rand believe in, if not the right of capitalist fuckwits to do as they please by dint of their capital?
>>729278103>"All kinds of people today call themselves “libertarians,” especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies who are anarchists instead of leftist collectivists; but anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet libertarians combine capitalism and anarchism. That’s worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. Anarchists are the scum of the intellectual world of the Left, which has given them up. So the Right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the libertarian movement."
>>729273282Jews have twisted neanderthal brains. Their thinking is inverted and retardedhttps://youtu.be/n11P9G6lVwk?list=PLVizufDrwKe2PBUZxgXCWVNgj3EIPMAK2
>>729273282>what the fuck is his problem?The fucking mailman wouldn't give him his chip.
>>729278994his entire series on bioshock is phenomenalreally lets you know how twisted these faggots are
>>729279154The level of research he put into it blew my blue pilled faggot brain away and opened a new door in life. Not actually gay btw, just stupid, naive views on things
>>729278994Didn't the Grimoire guy claim he was a Neanderthal throwback?
>>729273282All interpretations are wrong besides Ken Levine's: Rapture is Israel built for superior Jews and it is ruined by filthy fucking goyim. That's it. He said that in an interview, more or less. All the important people in Rapture are Jews who are brought down by goyim.
>>729273282Hypocrisy.
Andrew Ryan's philosophy in a nutshell is "individualism". Basically if you put the rights of the individual over that of the group, then society will turn out for the best.So that's why I imagine the main antagonist in Bioshock 2, Sofia Lamb, was made to be a collectivist which is the complete opposite of Ryan's philosophy: putting the group before the individual. The way Sofia's daughter described her was>she would rather have everyone be equally miserable than to let anyone be happy"If Ryan is a critique on capitalism, than Sofia is a critique of communism.
>>729280451>Sofia is a critique of communism.Sofia is closer to a critique on utilitarianism (to contrast Ryan's Randian Objectivism); the collectivist part of her philosophy generally takes less precedence. (Especially since at that point Rapture is basically a madhouse being run by the inmates. Not much room for any sort of economy at all.)
>>729280113>He said that in an interview, more or lessThat is literally what he said.It is fucking insaneRapture's self-destruct sequence is even called the Samson option
>>729280638I mean, she seems to take personal offense to the very idea of individualism, ironically enough. Even if Delta demonstrates moral behavior and in so doing encourages Eleanor to adopt the same,, she still considers the experiment irrecoverably tainted due to Eleanor's psyche not being subsumed into some sort of genetic singularity to create her planned messiah.
>>729276243subversive against what?
>>729277430Let me put this another way:Christians will try to take Rapture away from the Objectivists and turn it into a Christian society, because that's literally their faith. Ryan knows this, which is why he bans every religion and ideology except his own.A drug addict, by comparison, poses no existential threat to a ruling class. They have no political will and are only looking to get their next fix. Simply jail/execute them if they step out of line.
>>729273282>what the fuck is his problem?he had a jewish mindset
>>729281217No, Ryan banned it because he didn't like the idea of paying tithes (which makes me wonder if he grew up a Mormon or something since that's the only faith where paying tithe is mandatory)There wouldn't necessarily be much conflict between "Christianity" and whatever Ryan's doing otherwise, the former has no specifications for what economic system a jurisdiction should be running
wtf was HIS problem?
Ayn Rand's philosophy is still one of the dumbest things you can ever believe in. You can't refuse to be part of a society while still taking advantage of it.
>>729274251People always say this, but as one of the few people read Atlas Shrugged/ The Fountainhead in earnest without any expectations or knowing what it is, those books and this game have nothing in common.Final Fantasy 6, Edgar and Sabin especially are more representative of Atlas Shrugged than Bioshock is. Other than Sabin suplexing the train instead of sucking it's dick of course.
>>729281624You absolute fucking retard. That's not what she believed in at all. Stop relying on fucking video games for accurate information on philosophical ideals
>>729281618Ryan said it himself - the guy's a burned-out has-been trying to play Peter Pan long after fading from creative relevance.
>>729281624Ayn Rand didn't believe that at all. It's just some characters bugging out when an obvious socioeconomic collapse is coming. in one book. The other books have different endings.Her actual beliefs veer closer toward social cooperation, unions, syndicates, and away from strong governments, cronyism, centralized planning third way economies and this modern neoliberalism we live with today. She was overly optimistic about human nature and believed a few bad apples spoiled society and could be dealt with.In reality, 90% of people are fit to be nothing more than slaves...
>>729273282He was right about everything until Plasmids show upPlasmids upend the great chain and he should have recognized that, same reason you can't buy tanks and nukes is the same reason why glass dome Rapture couldt handle PlasmidsFfs he doesn't even have a utility for Oxygen it's a subscription service, how do you survive the soviets and become Kike incarnate
diane mcclintock was a straight up ho
>>729273282Rare underwater tism, & trying to have both minarchism and hard drugs sold from vending machines
Tried to do something neat but was literally surrounded by resentful scheming Jews
>>729282390>how do you survive the soviets and become Kike incarnateHe's literally a kike. He didn't survive the soviets but the bolsheviks. Most of those were indeed kikes.
>>729282538lollmao
>>729281943>That's not what she believed in at allit’s an inevitable consequence of what she believed.
>>729282390>my system works until (new thing) upended the paradigm in which case stricter governmental control is necessary and justified.There will always be a (new thing.) Rapture was untenable.
>>729282634Fuck off
>>729282701Die on welfare like she did.
>>729282634>it’s an inevitable consequence of what she believed.>You can't refuse to be part of a society while still taking advantage of it.What are you trying to say here? Pick a lane.
>>729280113>>729280856>Look it up>It's real>Andrew Ryan is actually Jewish
>>729282954I thought he was RUSSIAN????
>>729281498>No, Ryan banned it because he didn't like the idea of paying tithesIf that's the only issue, he could have simply told the churches they have no right to demand payment from people who didn't sign a contract with them.>which makes me wonder if he grew up a Mormon or something since that's the only faith where paying tithe is mandatoryHe's a Jew from Eastern Europe, anon.>There wouldn't necessarily be much conflict between "Christianity" and whatever Ryan's doing otherwise, the former has no specifications for what economic system a jurisdiction should be runningIt's not just about economics, there's moral differences between the two. Take drugs, for example: Objectivists do not condone their use and even consider it a moral failing, but believe it's ultimately an individual's right to choose to engage in vice. Christianity views drug use as a sin that needs to be eradicated, which means banning it.Consider also the political side of things: Even if Ryan bent the knee to the Christians' demands, they'd would still take issue with an atheist being their leader, so he'd either have to convert or abdicate. Again, Fontaine was the one who smuggled Bibles into Rapture precisely to foster a revolutionary sentiment against Ryan, so that he could eventually take power.
>>729282954wop wop
>>729283054Yeah, all this. Christianity is, at least in theory, meant to be the religion of the downtrodden. Charity, forgiveness and moral policing are proliferated and encouraged. None of that shit is able to coexist in the paradigm of rapture.
>>729273782He have CoD a full score. This guy is a joke.
>>729277508He would be a villain in Ayn Rand's books lol
>>729278103Ayn Rand gets misrepresented a lot. In her books, all of the antagonists are rich business owners that use their money to manipulate politics to steal money and other property from others. John Galt worked as a poor laborer for years to facilitate his plans, Dagny Taggart was an underpaid and unrecognized manager that had her competence exploited by her brother who actually owned the company she worked for, Henry Rearden invented a stronger form of steel that was prohibited for being too effective compared to competing products before the patent was taken from him under the threat of putting his employees at risk, etc. Have you read the book? It's about how innovative, hard working people have their work exploited by fortunately born capitalist heirs and the rewards of their labor stolen under the name of 'fairness' and 'equality' when the people doing the stealing are more privileged and out of touch than the people being stolen from, and what's being stolen never actually makes it to serve "the people" for which equality and equity is supposedly being fought for. All of the antagonists are absurdly wealthy members of the upper class using the poor and oppressed as an excuse to justify their own self gratification, and all of the protagonists give up incredible amounts of wealth to live simpler lives taking up trades in a small hidden community in the mountains.This is known by people who actually her works and pay attention.
>>729277508I'm not saying he's right. But his writing is on point. you can't help but respect that Egotistical monster for what he is, but also hate him at the same time and want to kill him. him and Fontaine both, two sides of the same coin.
>>729284394Almost everyone did. 4 deserved it, not so much the ones that came after.
Ayn Rand's philosophy is literally Israel's
>>729282284off-topic but is Gormenghast worth reading?
>>729273282Bangerhttps://youtu.be/zMVkLLNrfGE
It had magic slugs that make people go crazy with super powers therefore objectivism doesn't work.
>>729273282>didn't regulate.ban gene altering drug that allows people to shoot bees from their handsGee I don't know.
>>729273585All I care about is the sweat of an attractive woman.
>>729289192Shall not be infringed etc.
