To be fair, the idea of making Hollywood movies instead of games was pretty bad. Advent Children worked out afterwards but somebody had to take responsibility for such a massive fuckup.

The soul left with him.

>>729287054
Squares best games were all directed by Kitase - FF6, FF7 and Chrono.

>>729288423
and as soon as he had free reign he gave us XIII

>>729285839
When the cats away the mice all play

>>729288423
And who was producer and leading the teams, making sure things didn’t go to shit?

Spirits Within was such a blunder it almost ruined the company. Despite popular belief they were planning to merge with Enix even before the movie flopped and said flop almost made Enix pull out which would have doomed Square. Sakaguchi was very much the guy behind that, they didn't make a fall guy out of him he just fucked up.

>>729288594
Motomu Toriyama

>>729288594
of the good games? sakaguchi. The only decent game kitase produced was FFX which still had input from sakaguchi, and that was barely enough to salvage it.

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What do you think things are like in the timeline where Squaresoft goes under after Spirits Within?

>>729288423
I always forget Kitase was actually responsible for good games in the past because he's come off like a complete out of touch retard in interviews for years.

Japanese are fucking retarded.

>>729288686
>responsible
for like in spite of him

>>729288675
>sakaguchi
Exactly. It’s not even about which individual games people prefer, his leadership was invaluable to square, as has become increasingly clear since his departure.

>>729288820
then why did he almost lead them to the end of the company with a shitty movie

>>729285839
He had to take responsibility and it couldn't be helped.

>>729288849
because those are different field? a good game director isn't automatically a good movie director

>>729288682
they would have just been bought out by enix and things would be exactly the same

>>729288849
Because he didn’t stay in his lane.

>>729288981
or by nintendo. Ultimate payback.

>>729288849
He had to get it on

>>729287054
This
A lot of old Square employees said that Sakaguchi is the one holding everything together
He might not be the best director but he was the leader of the pack

>>729288849
spirits within was much less of a flop than ffxiv 1.0 or most of the polymorphic content that wasn't FF7slop, sakaguchi was mostly forced out of the company because it was getting more and more corporate and he was a massive liability for wanting the company to remain creative and not soulless

>>729289030
for what? SE released way more games on the actual successful nintendo consoles than anywhere else

>we have a perfectly good thing going on
>people tend to like our products
>let's fuck everything up and give people what they don't want because someone decided those things are not trendy anymore
>oh no we keep failing repeatedly and everyone hates us
t. suits@Square

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>>729289154
>for what?
i don't know

>>729289378
Nintendo held them back with their shit hardware, they did what needed to be done.

>>729289378
they released like 60 titles between the gba and the ds, aka the real nintendo consoles in the 2000s
the n64 had barely any third party support and has one of the smallest libraries of any console because of how shit its hardware was, Squaresoft not making games for it is not some amazing exception

>>729289453
the losing side doesn't care what "had to be done" lmao

>>729289569
>Squaresoft not making games for it is not some amazing exception
the number one jrpg company that developed exclusively for them absolutely is

>>729285839
Sakaguchi wanted to make movies and it bombed. Own up to it.

>>729289628
They made games on other platforms before the NES.

>>729290642
and nintendo used to make playing cards, what does this have to do with the color of the sky?

>>729285839
gonna be honest, after Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and Fantasian, I'm not sure he got it anymore. Certainly not diminishing his past work, but sometimes the greats run out of steam.

>>729289628
The "number one" jrpg company is tpc

>>729293517
ah yes, all the pokemon games released on the nes and snes, how could I forget?

>>729293625
ArtePiazza, Chunsoft, Tri-Ace and many more prolific developers of jrpgs also made jack shit for the N64 despite starting out on the famicom systems
Squaresoft wasn't bigger than them until they could started doing moviegame shit and Nintendo simply did not deliver hardware they could use for that.

>>729293804
none of them had the pedigree of squaresoft, just stop already.

>>729293453
it's not very fair, he obviously wasn't the sole reason for the success of the franchise, it was a team effort but he was an essential captain.

Tetsuya Nomura is doing a better job holding square afloat than this dumbass

>>729294128
...and other jokes you can tell yourself

the final fantasy movie is good and it bombed only because ff7 faggots were like "wtf wheres cloud"

>>729285839
He did have a bit of an ego on him and he had no head for business. Going all in on an expensive CGI movie just because you made a few successful cinematic games isn’t the smartest move.

>>729296071
it was so good not even normies liked it

>>729294128
When was the last time that literally gay recluse released a game?

>>729285839
failed director, he killed a good company for a shitty movie

>>729288423
You forgot that game directed by Takahashi

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>>729285839
Now look at the state of mainline FF, the titled sequels are failures while the spirtual successor game made in the spirit of the Square Soft era taking notes from those FF games is a massive success.
The Gooch was a winner and had a winning formula, Square Enix had to throw it all away because of egos.

>>729296932
he literally made the company what it was, pretty much every soulful game squaresoft made can be traced back to him

>>729296932
>He killed a game company
He made Square Soft, if anyone had the right to 'kill it' it was him.
Look at Square Enix, there have been Directors and Producers who have made far bigger mistakes over the years than Sakaguchi yet they still managed to cling onto SE.
Look at the Saka, he makes one failure with Spiritis Within and Square gets rid of him.
Meanwhile they've had multiple people making MASSIVE mistakes, their former CEO who dumped money into NFTs after the market was bust, pumping over $100million into Forspoken, $250million into the Avengers game, selling off their Western IPs like Tomb Raider and Hitman for peanuts to Embracer, only for Embracer to then make huge amounts from those money if I remember correctly they sold either Hitman or Tomb Raider for some bullshit options and not strictly money as well which makes it even funnier and even more of a massive laughing stock.
Then you look at what they've done to FF7 remakes, split it into three games and changed the story, no one fucking asked for that.
You look at FF16 and FF15 before that.
All the failures of the AA division.
Then all the mobile gacha games they've released only to shut them down a year after release.
They're a fucking mess without Sakaguchi because he was an expert tard wrangler of talent.
He wasn't just a businessman he was also a Creative, and no one in Square Enix has that kind of talent.

>>729296718
literally last year dumbass

>>729297041
>>729297301
Yeah, maybe I was too harsh, my bad. It just annoys me that even back then there was this idea that movies were somehow “more serious,” when SW itself doesn’t have the same sensitivity as Final Fantasy

>>729285839
>former best asset spends the next 20 years embarrassing himself publicly

>>729297575
All of his releases are better than any final fantasy game released after XII.

>>729288423
Square's best games are FFV, RS2, and Minstrel Song.

>>729296071
>zoomer trying to use revisionist history

>>729294128
SoP, neo twewy, and rebirth all flopped

He was one of the most talented directors they ever had but he was also one of the most retarded

>>729298483
Somehow, this actually makes sense viewing Square's history of directors

>>729298483
Retarded?

Name a single bad game Sakaguchi made while working at Squaresoft.

>>729298913
The Bouncer

>>729289378
>it's squaresoft's fault that nintendo kept using cartridges instead of CDs
genuine retard

>>729299873
it's not about who is at fault it's about how nintendo viewed squaresoft's betrayal you mongoloid. Fucking retarded brownoid with zero reading comprehension who thinks video game discussions is all about picking sides

>>729289378
imagine if Square didn't go full cinematics
i wonder what that would've looked like

>>729299354
to be fair he was only an executive producer and that game was clearly rushed out anyway, Most game he worked as executive producers were underwhelming in some aspect unlike he titles as producer/director/supervisor

>>729300108
like octopath traveler

>>729300159
>we would've gotten games like Octopath traveler but back in the N64 era
man, that would be neat

>>729300108
I mean their game still played like games, it wasn't until FFX that the cinematic aspect (not necessarily fmv) started to take ascendance of gameplay

>>729300108
Probably closer to snes artstyle but in 3d like the tech demo they had. i would have loved to have a FF with n64 aesthetic

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>2025
>There's still Sakaguchi cultists out there
God I hate millennials, saying he was Square's biggest asset is like saying Inafune was Capcom's biggest asset, this useless fraud is not only responsible for the destruction of many franchises and teams within Square and the rise of moviegames, he was propped up for decades by both Nintendo and Microsoft and he produced nothing but dogshit kusoge because he's an incompetent pencil pusher who does not know a thing about designing games, see his latest flop Fantasian being yet another piece of garbage everybody laughed at for a week and then immediately forgot.
This man runs entirely on stolen valor and 30 years old propaganda based on a cult of personality despite having no actual personal qualities.

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>>729300108
>>729300201
>N64 Final Fantasy

>>729300730
for a fraud he sure seemed to be the common factor

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>>729300730
Dogshit opinion from a dogshit poster.
The Gooch made Lost Odyssey after he left Square Soft proof that even without Square he had something special. You don't know because you didn't play it otherwise you wouldn't hold such a dogshit opinion.

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>>729285839
Squeenix was always a gaggle of retarded yellow jews. Kadokawa style.

>>729300904
Easy to be the common factor when you're the head of your company and everything has to go through you.
And strangely enough, once this supposed common factor couldn't coast on the actual talent behind those games he immediately fell into irrelevance and produced nothing but flops, unlike most other guys he pushed out of the company and industry with his retarded policies and favoritism.
>>729301010
Lost Odyssey is low effort dogshit that bombed and nobody cared about, he also made nothing but write the main scenario which nobody cares about, everybody admits the only good parts of the games where the mini flashback stories that weren't even written by him, you are delusional and should take that miniscule wrinkled cock out of your mouth before you type another post

>>729301382
>that bombed
surely being xbox exclusive played no role whatsoever

>>729289928
>Own up to it.
He certainly did by leaving. He took his shares which fucked over the company, but hey.

>>729288682
FFXII wouldn't have happened which is sad but a small price to pay

>>729301446
Oh yeah, like what happened with other JRPGs like Tales of Vesperia, right?
Oh wait...

>>729288849
Because chinks can't write. The most acclaimed Japanese games have the writing of a badly translated children's book

>>729301570
Me when im racist:

>>729289453
N64/GC were stronger than PS1/PS2

>>729301525
nigga not only was it ported to ps3 not long after but you seriously comparing the tales franchise to a completely unknown game from a small unknown studio??

>>729288849
That movie isn't even that bad. It's kinda boring but not offensively bad. Most people pretending it had some company wrecking quality never watched it and are just repeating memes.

90% of all movies done today are worse.

>>729301867
And had much lower space, FF7 couldn't exist on the N64

>>729301921
it's utterly forgettable, if anything it's worse than being bad in a kinojank way

>>729302059
>it's utterly forgettable
Like any Marvel movie and those were at the top of the charts last decade.
I will repeat myself. The movie is boring but not that bad. Square wanted to get rid if him and that was the perfect excuse. That's all there is to it.

>>729301895
Of course I'm comparing a B tier franchise that never had a hold in the west and actually sold well with the supposed superstar JRPG producer that was given unlimited budget and advertising and failed horribly.
You have to give up nigger, even when Microsoft gave him the boot after Blue Dragon also flopped, he went to beg to Nintendo and kept pushing out turds that flopped horribly like Last Story.
Then he moved onto mobile where he lucked out again exactly once with Terra Battle (The console port he promised for years never happened btw) and immediately after that he fucked up again with Terra Battle 2 and effectively deleted all the money he managed to make with the first game, despite also begging SE Tabata to make an exclusive crossover advertisment DLC for FF15.
The man is a pathetic fraud, and Fantasian's abject failure once again showed that.

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>>729285839
>what were they thinking?
"Line must go up or I don't reach my KPI and my shares won't vest."
Same ponzi scam mentality they use to bring in a gadrillijion third-worlders even though they are a net negative for everyone involved.

>>729302179
marvel movies, for better or worse are not forgettable like the spirit within is

>>729301867
Stronger?
Yes
Bigger Files?
No in the case of the PS1 vs N64

>>729301382
>Dogshit poster is also a sales charts fag
Oh yeah because high sales and low sales dictates a games quality right? Which is why Fifa and Madden are top ten sellers all year round right but they're never spoken of on here.
Your brain is so dogshit you've not even stopped to think through the logical conclusion of what you type out means.
In short you were failed by your nation investing the sum total of my weekly grocery shopping bill into your education system.

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>>729288619
I can't remember. Was Sprits Within the first movie to popularize holographic interfaces?

>>729299980
Gottem.

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>>729302451
>Oh yeah because high sales and low sales dictates a games quality right?
So we can agree Squaresoft's "golden age" is also fake and full of dogshit games, right?
After all you just said it yourself, if game quality is not related to high sales and low sales then why is Sakaguchi supposed to be such a legendary developer given the vast majority of Square's output is also trash?
The truth is Mistwalker's games bombed commercially because they were bad games that couldn't coast on millennial propaganda and a severely restricted market with no choice, meanwhile you have other bad games like FF6 or 7 that were successful purely because of a fortuitous market environment that no longer exists today, which is why current FF is in freefall as a franchise, not because that worthless hack is gone, but because the series could only be relevant when it had no competition due to market factors.
And again, look at Sakaguchi's output today and it's all the same low quality garbage that nobody cares about because there's no gigantic propaganda machine in a closed market to prop it up as the second coming of christ.

You lost, that hack fraud lost as well.

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>>729300730
>Says Sakaguchi is a fraud.
Yet after he left, every Final Fantasy game, including a remake of his own, has been total flops and hated by fans.

WEIRD HUH!

Its as if they have no idea how to do this shit.

And dont get me wrong, early FF games are retarded too.

>>729302796
>AIDS-ridden homo has has AIDS-ridden homo opinions
like clockwork

>>729303548
Kek

>>729300730
Biggest retard award goes to you buddy. The shit thing about zoomers is they haven't played anything good so they just yap from their asses. Kys desu

>>729303387
Except FF15 sold more than pretty much any of its predecessors outside of X, FF14 eclipsed all of its predecessors in terms of popularity after ARR and it's the most lucrative FF game ever, so you're wrong.
Thing is the FF userbase is 30-40 years old jaded millennials who don't even know what they like anymore and loves to bitch about anything because they're manchildren incapable of critical thought and introspection, FF as a franchise is dying because it has no appeal outside of that specific demographic, not because the games got worse, they're just as shit as they've always been but the thing is the userbase itself is not seeing a generational turnover precisely because the new generations weren't born during the times FF was the big fish in the small pond so they do not have any emotional attachment to it and can see the mediocrity through an unbiased point of view.
FF's biggest enemy is its own schizophrenic fans who love to bitch about things they loved in one game if they appear in one game they don't like for whatever reason, or just parrot whichever decades old e-celeb opinion managed to fossilize within the community.
>>729305470
I'm 37 years old and have played many more games than you.
Also, "yap" is a zoomer term so.

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>>729305770
>Except FF15 sold more than pretty much any of its predecessors outside of X
and had zero fucking relevance or cultural impact whatsoever because it was trash and everybody agreed. People got so fucking burned by it they didn't give FFXVI a chance (and rightfully so)
>FF14 eclipsed all of its predecessors in terms of popularity after ARR and it's the most lucrative FF game ever, so you're wrong.
cosmic level of retardation
>FF as a franchise is dying because it has no appeal outside of that specific demographic
FF has not appealed to its specific demographic for almost two decades now.

>>729305770
37, posting on 4chan on christmas day in paragraphs (that no one is reading because you've already established your dogshit taste and lukewarm intellect).

Yep, I standby my original suggestion to kys.

>>729305914
>and had zero fucking relevance or cultural impact whatsoever
So did most FF, the only FF people sort of pretend to care about are 7 and 10, and maybe 6 on a good day.
>cosmic level of retardation
I'm sorry for you but the hard numbers are there, again, you FF fans loathe to accept the reality you live in and prefer to live in your personal schizo land made up of decade old lies and circlejerk propaganda, but that world of yours never really existed.
>FF has not appealed to its specific demographic
FF never had a specific demographic outside of the wider casual audience, to which it's still appealing, the plans never changed, YOU did, and YOU got left behind because you're not part of the current wider casual audience.
>>729306153
Pot calling the kettle black much?
Typical butthurt behaviour of a FF fan so I'm not really surprised, remember you're are here forever.

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>never to get Xenogears eps 1-4 and 6.

>>729306290
>the plans never changed,
fucking kill yourself already you tranny

>>729305770
I suppose that’s the curse of FF being an anthology series: no one is going to like every entry. It’s why no one can agree what the good ones are. 7 and 6 seem to be the only ones near universally liked, and even they have their haters that think they’re overrated.

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>>729285839
Is that Korean Mike Dawson?

>>729302796
didn't read lol

>>729306463
>It’s why no one can agree what the good ones are
6 7 8 9 10

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>>729306378
>Muh cinematic button mashing trash of yesteryear is totally different and better than the cinematic button mashing trash of today!
>B...BECAUSE OF ATB
>AND THE GOOCH!!!1
Sorry to break it to you again, but if that were true then at the very least Sakaguchi's various games with Mistwalker wouldn't have failed horribly and Fantasian in particular would have been a massive hit within your specific demographic, it even has the "prerendered" backgrounds you love so much.
But lo and behold, it didn't, because as I said, you people don't actually know what you fucking like, or rather are loathe to accept that you are only interested in surface level dogshit with a specific brand name attached to it and nothing else.
Which brings me back to my original point that again, FF had no specific demographic outside of the wider casual audience, which is why through the years it kept pushing gimmicks onto gimmicks on top of its basic bitch formula that was stolen from Dragon Quest without actually solidifying any sort of identity or userbase beyond the immediate casual market that was available for every single title.
Which by the way is something that was also confirmed by the producers themselves, as FF's never had any coherent philosophy outside of doing whatever the current director thought was "cool" at the time, your very own hero Gooch shilled both FF14 and 15 massively too because he's a sellout fraud with no honour or principles.
>>729306463
No, DQ is also an anthology series and doesn't have that problem, this is something very much unique to FF.

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why does this schizo keep writing walls of text?

>>729300730
I knew niggers still seething about Inafune were the most low IQ of apes

>>729307061
I have no idea.
I ain't reading that sperg shit and i doubt anyone else is unironically.

>>729285839
>what were they thinking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4rkcMbtjY

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>>729306931
>VIII
It has the best FF OST, yeah, buuuuuuuut.......

>>729289378
>good business decisions means betrayal
Nintendo did this to themselves.
It's funny, Nintendo caused the golden age of gaming and didn't gain much from it

>>729302312
Most people can't tell you the correct number of Thor movies, much less which one was which.

>>729294128

>>729298359
They flopped because of SE and the FF committee. They first thing they did after SE became a thing, was enshittifying XII and the compilation of VII project which failed.
Then they tried the Fabula Crystallis with XIII which also failed.
Now they're trying it again with the 7 Remake.

SE has been holding off with the 7 remake and expected Remake and Rebirth to sell like 20 million units each

>>729285839
Japanese business culture is fucking retarded. Same thing with Gunpei Yokoi.
>who cares if you made extremely successful products in the past and made us millions if not billions of dollars, you fucked up once so you're done!
>also we won't fire you we will just make you work on pointless shit because you need to resign out of """honor""" lol

>>729306931
4-10 golden era. No other rpg game series has had a run of 6 games being banger after banger after banger.

>>729306931
>>729308450
>No other rpg game series has had a run of 6 games being banger after banger after banger.
Funny thing is that Square made even better games on the side. They just aren't Final Fantasy. It's fucking crazy

>>729288682
Elder scrolls online would be the biggest MMO instead of final fantasy 14

>>729308615
i wouldn't say straight up better but yeah, parasite eve (not the shitty sequel), vagrant story, chrono trigger, front mission (collaborative, but still), secret of mana, FF tactics, bahamut lagoon... these guys were on a fucking roll but the gaslighters want you to believe that it's modern square is the same

Sakaguchi was the realest nigga at Square. But he flew too high, that movie was a bad idea.
I think back then Square was planning on some multimedia marvelverseslop kind of thing.

>>729285839
Usurpation. Burn the house down and rule over the ashes/it's better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. Wada was an evil snake.

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>>729310043
yeah they funded a dedicated studio for their movie division, they poured everything into the tech itself without realizing people enjoyed those cinematics as part of their cool jrpg settings, not as a generic science fiction movie. I wanted a FF movie that started like pic, not like whatever we got.

>>729285839
He's a modern Icarus

>>729302059
no fuck off with this gay reddit shit. either defend the shitass movies you pretend are "so bad its good" or kill yourself. bad movie are bad, they're unenjoyable, forgettable movies are just mediocre

>>729311594
>i wake up
>I think about reddit
I will defend mortal kombat till the day I'll die, zoom zoom

>>729302059
spirts within is basically the same as avatar but for some reason avatar makes billions

>>729314851
they're nothing alike what are you smoking

Should have made a Parasite Eve movie with a hot blonde lead instead. No one wants to watch some boring gook.

>>729315651
both tech demos with no substance that are easily forgotten

>>729288619
Don't forget Sakaguchi was the one who thought it was a good idea to start a studio in Hawaii which was exponentially more expensive and harder for staff to travel to

>>729319612
Except I can't remember the plot of Spirits Within, and I remember the plot of Avatar as Dances with Wolves.

>>729320013
There were spirits...within...and they came out if the bodies in New York. The military alk had navy blue shirts and one do thr Baldwin's was there...and uhhhh bald science... they collected 7 things like my Japanese jrpg playing games but it was mostly off screen. I fell asleep when I tried to rewatch it 15 years ago

>>729294050
Yeah because they were far more culturally relevant at the time by being the DQ devs
Why do you pretend that Nintendo should have had a vendetta against Square when DQ7 skipped the N64 too?

>>729320156
i remember ruins, orange tentacles and a military chick

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No one ever talks about how Tetsuya Nomura added Sakaguchi to Kingdom Hearts for commentary on what happened. Yeah people will go Eraqus is an Anagram for Square but why do you think that is? Both made gigantic fucking mistakes and were responsible for fucking things up. It probably gets more specific but I dont remember the full story.

>>729310043
Spirits Within was basically just Mass Effect but 6 years early, if they had made it a game for the next gen instead and told Sakaguchi to make his movie of it later the entire gaming landscape would probably be different

>>729320286
i'm not pretending, this is a fact. the problem isn't that square didn't release on n64, it's how they parted way with nintendo at the time

>>729320513
Totally unrelated but I recently learned that Amano was inspired by working on Front Mission to add military tech stuff to FF6 which is probably why they got more scifi with militaries and shit. And I just think that's neat. People forget the non FF games besides chrono trigger.

>>729320558
Not that anon but didnt something happen for them to reconcile during the Gamecube era? And that's literally why we got Crystal Chronicles?

>>729320286
DQ7 wasn't the massive system selling hit that FF7 was. FF7 ended the competition between the PSX and the Saturn.

>>729320681
>FF7 ended the competition between the PSX and the Saturn.

RIP panzer dragoon saga

>>729320013
you only remember because it became a meme to say that

>>729320671
well the merger with enix, for starters, it's obvious the enix side would be eager to reconciliate with nintendo. the systems were still too shit for the mainline games but they still released spin off

>>729320416
nomura has never worked on anything good since guchi left and his stories are retarded as shit

>>729302474
I know Star Wars had simple holographic displays and I saw holograms being used in Logan's Run so I'm going to no even thought those are the only instances coming to mind

>>729320886
But I remember.

>>729320961
Didnt ask go tell your priest or rabbi faggot nigger

>>729288981
>Enix square timeline
Robo Trek 2 though

>>729300108
Like shit, because even if you stripped out the FMVs and compressed the hell out of the soundfonts to the point they wound like ass, the assets in the game are still too big for the piddly little 17MB cartridge.

>>729321017
It really got big after the smartphone revolution, so everyone was pinching and swiping giant holograms.

The 'Guchi, as I often call him, was a leader and a visionary. He put people in the right places, and Squaresoft made everything from Final Fantasy, to the Mana series, Saga, Bushido Blade, Parasite Eve, Chrono series, etc, etc, etc. As the leader of Squaresoft in the 90s, he probably has the most impressive catalog of video games (both in terms in sales and critical praise) of any company ever. You could probably put Squaresoft games from the 90s right up next to some mega publisher like EA's entire catalog and it will stand up just fine if not better.

>>729297575
One common theme about post Square Sakaguchi games is they having a very interesting story and setting but shit gameplay.

>>729306931
>9
Contrarian. 9 was already a shitty nostalgiabait cashgrab trying to bring back the copypasted combat theme intro 1-6 used to use, to come off like it's "just like the old days". Shit visuals, shit story, nobody cares but a small niche of contrarian faggots. There are better games within 1-5, but most of them didn't make it to the west until they were many years old, and with an even longer delay to not have that nintendo of america censorship applied.

>>729285839
Kinda his fuck up for making THE ff movie have nothing to do with the games when he could have done a remake of any of them or hell even doing a ff7 AC years prior when that game was in the normalfag zeitgeist.

>>729285839
>>729288619
Can you even begin to imagine just how different the media/gaming landscape would be if Spirits Within was a faithful FF entry that lovingly introduced you to a fantastical world of adventurers and monsters, instead of bootleg Alien with ghosts?

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>>729321665
>small niche of contrarian faggots
shut the fuck up nigger, the only contrarian here is you

>>729321183
it obviously wouldn't have used prerendered backgrounds as extensively, only occasionally (like ocarina of time). Also it probably would have required the expansion pack

>>729306338
I want an anime of the Zeboim era..

>>729322321
>MUH NUMBERS
Opinion dismissed. Stop roleplaying as an investor faggot.

>>729322513
The static images would probably use up less space than trying to 3d model all of those environments, but they'd certainly be even lower resolution than they are now.

>>729322785
>Stop roleplaying as an investor faggot.
oh you're that particular schizo. Should have announced yourself from the start

>>729285839
A company reliant on old men is doomed to fail, most especially a single old man. Any time Sakaguchi let a younger member try anything he would sabotage them, FF8 being a prime example where he pulled half the team mid development after giving them an already tight window for release. He was more concerned about his own job security than the future of the company.

>>729320601
I feel like the fact that PE and Xenogears were both basically built from or as FF7 concepts was pretty well documented, not to mention FFIX literally being a high concept sci-fantasy novel concept embedded deep within a "traditional FF"

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>>729302059
>it's utterly forgettable
thats just wrong, its amongst the pioneers of CGI films during that time.

>>729322912
>it's schizophrenic to point out what the faction of subhumans on /v/ who obsess over steam chart numbers and sales totals as if they're discussing corporations to invest in actually are
9 was a piece of shit nobody cared about. Objective fact.

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>>729294128
>Tetsuya Nomura is doing a better job holding square afloat than this dumbass

>>729323381
Yeah, I remember watching it with my mom 22 years ago.
She said at one point, talking about the protag.
>This movie is bad, look at her, she cannot emote at all so her only way to display emotion is by looking away, every single time.

Normies didn't care if it was the pioneer of anything, they clearly didn't have the technology to make a full CGI movie yet.
I honestly only watched it because it had Final Fantasy in its name, but after the credits rolled I was really stretching it to find any actual relation to Final Fantasy in that random sci-fi movie. I guess it had crystals? Anyway.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

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>>729323610
>stop using numbers to show that I'm wrong!!!!
all these nobodies who decided to buy it AGAIN on steam and ps4
>Objective fact.
the objective fact is that you're a zoom zoom who wasn't even born and need to get shot for having terminal retardation

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>>729300730
See, you're a retard, because you don't understand that while the individuals may have been unimpressive on their own, they shined in collaboration and lifted up the whole. Maybe this analogy will get through your low IQ consciousness: It's like a band, where talented members leave and both that member and the remaining band (if it stayed together) never quite found the same level of success they had before the break up.

You see these names not succeeding and assume that means they were always talentless hacks, but you ignore that with their exit the quality from the studios they left plummeted, even if the individual never quite was able to replicate their success while within the collaboration.

tldr; you're a fucking retard.

>>729324870
>rebirth would have flopped even harder if not for 1.5 billion bugmen
grim

>>729324448
>z-zoomer
I accept your concession. Unlike you I was actually around when these games were new. Nobody, absolutely fucking NOBODY talked about or gave a flying fuck about 9. 7? Yes. 8? Not as much. 10? Yes. 9? The only time I've ever seen anyone pretending to care about 9 was here on /v/ in recent years, where you tiny minority of 9tards barge into every single final fantasy thread on the board and try to act like the game was some secret hidden gem, yet also the biggest and best game of all time.

>>729324993
I kinda liked Remake despite its flaws, but as soon as I saw all the diversity bullshit they were adding in Rebirth I couldn't bring myself to play it anymore.

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>>729325058
>the minority of /v/ in recent years concerted to buy the game 25 years ago then again with the hd release
they can't keep getting away with it!!!!
>Unlike you I was actually around when these games were new.

>>729323610
>>729324870
>Copies sold in last 7 days
286 for rebirth
1400 for FF9

Objective fact no one gives a shit about ff7rebirth. FF9 is more popular.

>>729324881
>It's like a band, where talented members leave and both that member and the remaining band (if it stayed together) never quite found the same level of success they had before the break up.
How strange that it worked for all those other former Square employees like Takahashi or the people who made Granblue but not Sakaguchi, it's almost like he's a fucking hack...

>>729325802
Terra Battle had a very interesting concept, great artwork, and music.
But the gameplay and monetization sucked.

That was Sakaguchi first attempt at gacha right?

>>729325958
Yeah, but he was just the producer for that, he didn't do shit other than managing the early business stages of the project and recruiting Uematsu again for the music.
He also promised a console port that ultimately never happened.

>>729325802
>like takahashi
XB is a middling nintendo franchise that is only talked about within the JRPG community and XS was a hyper flop that would have killed anyone less dedicated
>people who made granblue
Uematsu and Minaba are not "the people who made Granblue" lmao

>>729325675
Rebirth is like 10 times as expensive and demands higher tier hardware you retard (and is also a better game), are all ff9 fans this retarded?

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>>729326753
so what? only a minority likes ff9, why is a minority still buying so many copies 25 years later?

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>>729326534
>XB is a middling nintendo franchise that is only talked about within the JRPG community and XS was a hyper flop that would have killed anyone less dedicated
And yet both of those are more successful than anything Sakaguchi ever did after leaving Square, XBC2 alone made more profit and got more following than Mistwalker's entire portfolio.
How come Takahashi managed to not only survive Scamco hell but eventually turn his company into a Nintendo pillar with million selling games and close collaborations with Nintendo on other first party games while Sakaguchi failed to do the same? Even Koichii Ishii managed to get under Nintendo's wing by actually making good games and also staying humble as fuck after leaving Square, but curiously the legendary developer Sakaguchi couldn't.
How come Minaba&Co. managed to strike gold with Granblue and turned into a massive franchise that somehow keeps printing money to this day with multiple spinoffs while Terra Battle crashed and burned in a couple of years?
How is it that all these "minor" Square devs who left the company are successful but strangely enough Sakaguchi did nothing but collect flop after flop? Maybe because he's actually a hack fraud who can't even keep a loyal niche audience because the game he produces are utter garbage nobody wants to play.

>>729296932
The higher ups could have said no at any fucking time. Don't subscribe to Japan's inane bullshit where they pin all the blame on one guy. It takes more than one man's decisions to hurt a company as big as Square was.

>>729326753
>Rebirth is so popular
>That's why it only sold 20% as many copies as a game from 25 years ago in the last 7 days
You tell your girl your mom you don't need a car because you ride the short bus, OH!

>>729301921
> It's kinda boring but not offensively bad
this is the problem, a ton of amazing movies were coming out in the same year and the years previous, and spirits within had a gigantic budget that such a mediocre script doesn't need
this shit cost more to make then the phantom menance did, a movie that objectively had as advanced CGI as spirits within if not more, matrix had half its budget and likewise was a movie that really revolutionized certain special effects.

the movie cost a shitload and wasn't nearly good enough to make back its budget, it wouldn't have made back its budget even if it looked like beast wars or something

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>>729326753
both rebuild and afterbirth are on sale and noone is buying them

Didn't FFX make back more than they lost on this movie?

>>729285839
Who knows.

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>>729324870
Damn.
Final Fantasy IX aged like a fine wine.

>>729288981
Enix probably would have left them to die. The only reason the merger still happened was due to the success of ffx, and kingdom hearts.