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CRUSHER!
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>>729297535
eat my boltgun
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>>729297535
Yes?
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>DA LEX
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SOUTHLANDER
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>>729297535
>sneaks up behind you
>silently overheads you
psssh, nothin personnel kid
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BLACK ONES!
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>>729297897
>>729297938
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Chaos Warriors in V2 had the uncanny ability to silently rollerblade up to you in the middle of a horde and CRUSH PUNY SOUTHLANDERS.
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>>729297535
darktide gameplay is fun, better than vermintide since its more shooty but the maps are boring.
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>>729298025
>quick play
>blessed unguent of shriving
>quick play
>blessed unguent of shriving
>quickplay
>blessed unguent of shriving
>quickplay
>ARCHIVUM SYCORAX
I'm genuinely just concerned. Not upset or angry. Concerned.
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>>729297535
*Thunderhammer's you*
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>>729298213
*gets overheaded by a crusher behind the crusher you bonked*
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the maps feel so tiny and short
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>>729297535
>powercreep so rampant that these fatfucks are now spawning in packs of 50 at a time to counter players' ability to delete the entire screen of enemies with one button press
Why are swedish devs so uniquely fucking retarded
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>>729298073
For me its always
>... train is headed for barbican gate terminal
>... train is headed for barbican gate terminal
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>>729298737
Classic
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>>729298961
They don't want to enrage the community by nerfing busted weapons and abilities so they jerry rig the game around them.
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Just bought the judge dredd DLC to start fresh with a friend of mine. Arbites just completely outshine Ogryn in every aspect. I understand FatShart need to make money off of these DLC classes but this is just sad.
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>>729299080
How about just not caving to clueless retards and e-celeb grifters in the first place? Is it really so fucking hard? I have zero respect or sympathy for devs who don't stick to their guns, at this point they should fucking know better this isn't their first multiplayer game
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>>729299097
And desperado hive scum completely makes sciers gaze psyker obsolete. Its inevitable that hastily designed cash grab classes will be stepping on the toes of existing stuff.
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>>729297535
>no new weapons (reskins dont count)
>still no heavy weapons
>no meaningful story progression
>no new full mission (new operation is short af)
>no new game modes
>new class is uninspiring garbage
The glacial pace of development is making me irate.
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>>729299097
>tfw gunlugger is still shit
LMGs are cursed to suck in videogames
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Darktide's main problem is that it has zero enemies with any sex appeal.
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>>729297897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LPZjLERDA8
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>>729297535
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>>729297535
They will literally reskin crushers to aberrants when genestealer cults eventually release. You could bet on that.
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>>729299413
You wouldn't a skaven would you?
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>>729297535
>FOR THE SIXTH
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>>729299097
I like Arbites, but I still like Ogryn more.
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Darktide has better music but Vermintide 2 has better lines.
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>>729300052
Darktide lines have grown on me. The other day in a match I heard the female agitator zealot and male fatalist arbites have a conversation about the musical instruments they play. It was wholesome.
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>>729299348
There is genuine concern this game is cursed. Like a designed sold his soul to the devil to make the best melee combat and satisfying shooter in existence, but everything that isn't smacking a heretic needs to suck ass. Have none of the whimsy or character from VT, levels are drab, little variation in objectives, supporting cast does not have enough chemistry to make up for the rejects having little personality, making a weapon is easier than before but now Melk, rewards and the show only exists for +3 420 Cuiros. Music fucking bops though.
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>>729300052
As the other anon said, they have been improving and Im surprised they dont trigger more often: For example Bodyguard saying he is envious of Brawler being able to speak so good or asks Brawler how to sing and Brawler says it doesnt matter long as it comes from the heart. It's getting better.
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>>729297535
>Want something done? Ask Ogryn!

I swear they are an endangered species these days. Every time I play Cum we run around like four headless chickens poking at the pack, but the rare chance there's an ogryn he just keeps them permanently on the ground.
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>>729298961
Damn Warframe is swedish?
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>>729297535
CRUSH!
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>>729300509
Ogyrn is an actual anchor and always brings the team together unlike arbites and for that alone im thankful for ogryns. They should make similar huge classes as they stand out as beacon to pull together a scattered team and act as a lynchpin.
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>>729297535
Crusher?
I hardly know 'er!
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>>729297535
CRUSHER!
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>>729298073
Fuck you, Hab Dreyko mission is fucking top tier shit. I like that when you finish killing the tree, you have this fucking tough escape sequence. Music in this map is sick too.
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>>729302949
More missions need that mad dash to the Valkyrie with enemies spawning from every side. Then make it to the ship, but seem that downed teammate spawn below you. So you all jump down, get them and ride out together.

>>729300661
I love playing Ogryn so damn much. Everytime I feel Im done playing him I wonder: "Hmm, I havent tried X with Y yet." Used to swear by the shield, now I try the Krourk IV with the crit chance and crit damage talents on the far right side of the tree. Dont even need to weave vanguard combos, just mashing blends hords and the punch to the face staggers crushers. Karsolas pickaxe with the increased Cleave on Heavy Hitter is another mulcher. Like right know I had forgot I could put Thunderous on the pickaxes.

Also I love FS made two "insurance" talents that procs all the time with "For the Little Uns" and No Hurtin Friends."
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>>729297535
Isn't carapace armor rare? How are the heretics getting so much carapace when even the reject ogryns of the inquistion dont have any carapace armor?
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>>729297535
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>>729300509
Ogryns don't get godmode this patch so I have no reason to play them.
I've been playing dogfucker instead
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>>729299512
underrated
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>>729304710
All the Crusher ogryns belong to the Scab faction, or the Moebian 5th Regiment, and being a Regiment they are fucking massive. It makes sense when you consider they were outfit to fight wars by themselves. so the cost of fitting every part of their ogryn with carapace seem worth it.
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>>729306360
They kinda already have Godmode: IIIb club with Skullcrusher+Thunderous, Charge, Bleed on hit, Heavy Hitter + attack speed talent. Just M1 to victory, everything dies.
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>>729306946
>the cost of fitting every part of their ogryn with carapace seem worth it.
But giving them proper weapons doesnt? They are equipped with metal posts with the concrete block still clinging onto them lol
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>>729307616
Budget cuts, please understand. It cost a lot of money to buy weapons to the plasma gunners.
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My favourite thing with darktide not getting updates very quickly
Is the ENTIRE reason devs made the maps the way they are is so they could quickly piece together new missions by making a new path through the same map
But they almost never come out with new missions now
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haven't played in over a year, how is psyker doing? any new staffs?
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>>729309794
Lol lmao even
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>>729309794
The weapons situation is so dire the Arbites came with 3 new weapons and hive scum with 4
They pad it with recycled weapons from other classes.
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>>729309794
psyker is *the* meta dps class
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>>729297535
If you dodge right at the beginning of the overhead it tracks you and you can use this to teamkill :) merry xmas
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>>729299168
>e-celebs
I'd hardly consider darktide youtubers as 1/10th of an e celeb to be honest. The playerbase isn't big enough for them to make it as a (((content creator))) for darktide. I'd call them e-beggars instead.
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>>729297535
i hardly know her
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiBP-QUDRoY
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>Hadron mentioned the Skitarii in the new map
you know what this means
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>>729311238
Speaking of the new map it was such a fucking letdown. You get to look at the tank like 3 times during the mission and it never really helps you mow down enemies or even shoot its guns. It's the lamest shit ever.
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Did FS just feel forced to make this game? They clearly dont give a shit about it like Ratclick
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i just played the no mans land map for the first time. i like the aesthetic and the set piece where you have to switch trenches and a scripted ambush happens while you cross but the scale is way off the map feels really small, tiny even. i played with randos and we finished the mission in 13 minutes.
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>>729311498
Maps aesthetic is pretty cool though with the trench warfare thing going on but yeah overrall kind of mid all things considered
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>>729311498
Tank aside, I like the map. Ploughing through WWI corridors is fun. Rushing through the open map section with the blasted ground is peak kino.
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>>729311548
Ratclick is their favorite child that does nothing all day but they still support him while Darktide is the neglected elder child that has to go out and earn a living to support his lazy mom and entitled brother.
It's a shit deal.
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>>729299025
That's because some dude put out a video saying it was the fastest mission to level up hive scum on.
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>>729311601
I might be wrong, but the short length might be because it's an "Operation" rather than a "Mission" level. Like Rolling Steel and the Twins.
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>>729311548
I don't know about forced, my general sentiment is that everything involving hitting an enemy with any weapon is leagues over VT2. Meanwhile VT2 excels in every single other area. It's very odd.
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>>729311858
i picked up the game earlier this week and so far from the 20 maps i played i always had the feeling of 'wait that's it, were leaving?', i mean it makes sense i guess, as we play as some kind of strike team or something
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>>729311746
>ratclick has better everything
>ratclick is the reason anyone tried darktide
>ratclick still averages better player count
Sure lil bro
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>>729312692
Ratclick has worse combat, though.
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>>729312692
ratclick is boring after I played it for 700hours and can't go back to it, the necromancer is shit, and most of the new maps they added recently are not fun to play
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>>729310108
Not really. Hive scum can do more dps now with a specific build.
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>>729311601
Its criminal that the leman russ tank in the new mission doesnt even offer fire support. Its just a static prop which is placed here and there.
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>>729299512
>the family dick pics
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>>729311002
For me? its
https://youtu.be/_IiDYh4ai8g?si=6nHaJceB3BIwpJNJ
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>>729313592
>family dick pics
excuse me?
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>>729313820
>he doesnt take season themed family dickpics
N.G.M.I.
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>>729297535
I don't know if my build even does that anymore but it was super satisfying revving up my eviscerator and beheading those guys in one hit
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>DR. PAVEL I'M KLAUS
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>>729297535
>Made this sword usless
But seriously buff heavy sword
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>>729314294
Just use duelling swords like every normal nigger.
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>>729298025
>better than vermintide since its more shooty
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>>729298010
is vermintide worth check it out if I like darktide but think rats are a retarded enemy and that generic fantasy settings are boring and lame?
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>>729314956
>rats are a retarded enemy and that generic fantasy settings are boring and lame
Holy shit the amount of disgusting, subhuman opinions in this thread is overwhelming.
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>>729311002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEyyfNCGr8Q
>when 1:29 hits
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>>729299348
The new class is fun as fuck, fuck you constantly dodging wirh duel pistols that never run out of ammo is kino as fuck
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>>729315198
so it's not worth checking out I take it
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>>729300213
I can't find the exact lines but this made me chuckle.
>Heavy Ogryn: "Look, Oim smiling."
>Outlaw Scum: Nervously "That's not a smile..."
>Heavy Ogryn: "Yes it is, you can see my teeth."
The delivery was pretty good.
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i like vermintide for the dude with hammer and book and darktide for judge shotgun to the face
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>>729297535
>huge ogryn who is wearing tons of armor
>literally silent while walking
>can one shot most people into a down state with it's bullshit elden ring tracking and sliding overhead
>sprinting away does literally nothing, every enemy can perform a sick slide when hitting you, letting them cross ridiculous lengths that shouldn't be allowed(sprint is literally useless outside of sliding because you can't even avoid regular trash mobs with it, they will always move faster, especially while winding up their swings)
>constant mutant spam at higher levels, you have to listen to their retarded screams 24/7 while ragers, maulers, and crushers have 0 sound cues(super quiet attack sounds that you can't hear over the other specials, music, and your own fucking character
as much as i like darktide, it's also really shit in some ways
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>>729298961
no clue man, coming back from a long break i started up a heresy mission to get back into the swing of things and our group got wiped because outside our spawn hallways was a group of crushers and someone immediately went down after trying to engage them, my other two teammates also went down and i finally went down after dodging into a crusher

my build is fucked and i have shit weapons but soloing 4 crushers on heresy shouldn't be so tedious lmao
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>>729314669
>duelling swords
i'm and im fuckin sick of it
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>>729316824
The tracking bit is annoying, but I've come to terms with how the slot system works in these games: When an enemy is close enough they become "engaged" to you and take up a slot. There's a limited number of enemies that can be engaged at any time. When an engaged enemy attacks their blow will land under any circumstances, the only way to not take damage is to block, dodge, slide or interrupt. You can tell when the you are otherwise guaranteed to be hit by the "whoosh" sound starting. Crushers have insane tracking, but it's just the same way every enemy do. Like you see a groaner ten feet from you, you turn and run and just start hearing the whoosh sound.

Sound mixing is fucked though, for sure. I think its deliberate, as you can hear Specialists clearly when they spawn and their windups, but it silly when you listen to RAAAA-AAAARGH-AAAAAAH 24/7 and then hear, very quietly "you will die" from a rager who kills you in two seconds and the Psyker says something like "Raaah, raaah! See we can all scream!"
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>>729317490
I don't hear any wind ups, i must be missing them and not recognizing it, i hear it for some of the gunners but i haven't noticed it for melee
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Is there some sort of meta in Vermintide 2?
How do I get red weapons?
I'm still on champion difficulty, even though I'm maxed out. I just failed too often on the higher diffs, I'm too afraid to try it again.
Please give me tips. I only play with randoms and most of them are some sort of Russians.
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the only enemy i have constant problems with are trapper these fucks may as well be invisible and silent, its like my brain filters them out completly.
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>>729317651
red weapons?
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>>729317810
I'm just assuming there is a rarity above gold?
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>>729317651
If you want reds you play on legend, simple as that. Play an ez mode class like merc or zealot
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>>729318017
i havent played in years, but only know about gold ones
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>>729317651
fatshark is gay, it's literally a stat check, you have to do higher difficulties to get better weapons but doing those difficulties with lower tier weapons is cancer, they literally stat check you when you can't get the weapons to make it better

reminder that these retards can't even play the higher difficulties and rely on elitist fucking retards who think getting pegged by a cheese grater is good gameplay because it's painful
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Is dodge still broken
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>>729314294
I think the damage output for this is fine, but it needs a movement speed buff.
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>>729315556
Not for you, no. Stay gatekept, i don't need tastelets in my games.
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>>729316824
The funny thing is that the crushers and ragers were completely silent for like a solid year at release. They're actually much more audible now than they used to be.
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>>729318465
If you're referring to the ranged attack immunity, yes.
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>>729299512
i really don't get retard core music, but at least it has more rhyming couplets than zoomer core
>typical Kero Kero Bonito song
how retarded do you go?
can you even touch your toe?
when you poop don't forget to flush!
there's a big dick ready to crush!
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>>729313529
It's snowing to heavily to code it in, though they did bother coming up with a handwave that the tank is almost out of ammo.
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>>729320252
did you think you were funny
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>>729297535
>It's another 4 crusher stealth train staggering their overheads on you just as you turn the corner
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>>729298016
At least Chaos Warriors werent immune to half the weapons in the game
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>>729300232
IIRC the guy in charge of melee combat left fatshark shortly after release or something
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>>729321603
>pulls out rocket launcher
>kills them
>kerps shooting everyone and dodging constantly with my duel pistol
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>>729321772
>0 chem nades or rockets
>get fucked if crushers spawn in closed areas
There are literally zero ranged weapons to deal with crushers as hive scum.
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>>729322823
>uses chem that adds rending and strength
>uses ult that adds rending and strength
>shoots them and they die
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>>729322947
Again you are relying on 2 things which both have cooldown. Meanwhile the veteran just shits out kraks which pulverises crushers, arbites could stagger lock them till death, zealot could one shot them and ogryn could open them up like a can with his pickaxe.
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>>729323225
>arbites could stagger lock them till death
nta, i have less than 20hours what arcane knowledge are you revealing here?
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>>729323225
Ok your whole scenario is moot because its a 4 player coop game.
The ult has a less then a minute cd
The stem has less then a minute cd and also reduces the CD of your ult
I have never once been in a situation where i couldn't do anything to prevent a death
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>>729318404
Based based BASED. Fatshark designs progression like they're allergic to fun. "Oh no, players are getting too many god rolls too fast!" Yeah bro, maybe if I didn't have to eat a dozen wipes in damnation with green gear just to pray to the Emperor for a slightly improved lasgun, I'd actually enjoy the climb. It's just raid boss RNG slapped on a worse Diablo loot grind. They gatekeep the fun behind pain, then act surprised when only masochists with 400 hours still play.
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i am captain crabchin and i demand that shotguns have to pen 20 people no matter what with a 100% horizontal spread!
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>>729321603
Been many years since I last saw this image.
Who is this semen demon?
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>>729318404
>it's literally a stat check
That's not it. The progress system is bad, but people have completed end game content with zero gear and minimal class talents/none.
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>>729323416
Arbeetus just has a ton of impact (stagger stat) so they can just stunlock most enemies, and if that isn't enough they can drop a shock mine, use their charge ability on a 12s cooldown or use their suppression shield/wide shotgun special
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Should I get Darktide? Is it ok now? I usually don't have much patience for coop games because I get flashbacks of L4D2 and having to cooperate with randoms is not my thing
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>>729324889
Now's as good a time as any since most of the retardation of the crafting system is gone, but bad players will still be a constant. Though bad players mostly congregate around Heresy/Damnation where they're more likely to crutch through and be carried, so if you git gud enough for Aurics+ you'll find less of them.
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>>729324889
the maps are really short but its really fun when you find your 'groove' i.e. a character that synchs with your playstyle
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the path to victory begins with hatred
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>>729322823
They have literally the best ranged weapon for killing crushers in the entire game, the needle gun.
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As an east german i have to say i have the best time playing with slavs, they usually know what they are doing they dont cry when you rough play in chat and they dont whine in when they do something stupid and get downed.
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>>729321704
Your rending, bro?
Bro, your brittleness?
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>>729311548
The main issue is genuinely just GW and 40k in particular being a huge fuckin pain to work with.
They don't care about fantasy, you can do whatever the fuck with fantasy.
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>>729297535
This goes well with Puttin’ on the Ritz
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i need 280 fucking d6 dice to upgrade my fucking double barrel shotgun what the hell?! how am i suppose to get them when my teamates rush the maps and dont look for for the fucking loot
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>>729329771
I've honestly just asked and people tend to pick it up. Just say "Hey can we pick up diamantine pls" and more of than not people start picking it up. The only thing people protest is grimoires. People fucking HATE grimmies.
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>>729329971
Honestly why just let the dude who ask carry that shit and all is dandy
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>>729330118
Alternatively don't get skill issued and explore. No one can force you to progress the map but people will get sour and impatient.
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>Havoc has a bunch of modifiers that make them more interesting
>They don't appear in regular missions
>Havoc matchmaking is such a clusterfuck that I don't want to bother
Gay
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>>729311601
I also played that the first time recently
The funniest part is that all the ruins in that mission look like they took the exact models that they sell as cover
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>>729330463
i tried asking, it worked really well, who knew.
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>>729331471
so i wasnt the only one
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What's the worst map and why is it Ascension Riser?
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>>729332152
Don't forget to GG and TY before you leave. MANNERS.
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>>729332258
as it is the season i even wish a merry christmas
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>>729297535
>Wave of a dozen Crushers, 6 bulwarks, and 20 maulers appears from around a pillar
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>>729332689
So what load your gun even if the bitch is creeped out.
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>>729332227
I mean chances are that it IS literally the same 3d models, GW seem fairly autistic about that sort of thing.
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>>729327540
>as a slav I enjoy playing with slavs
well good for you, nobody else does though
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>>729297897
ELF WENCH
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>>729300052
Verminous dreams soundtrack was absolutely fantastic.
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>>729299123
Rotshield ragdolls are hilarious, they're getting thrown around all the time.
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>>729311746
>elder child
>came second
>only got its foot in the door because of good will from the actual elder spending years fixing its fuck ups
>the promptly squandered that good will by shitting the bed even harder and taking even longer to unfuck itself
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>>729332689
THROWING KRAK
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>>729333576
>WAAAAH
BACK TO THE SOIL CHAOS WARIO
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i HATE the vigilant autogun!
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>>729317651
A common legend vault gives similar chances of a red than an emperor champion chest. You’re best off doing legend chaos wastes runs, since they drop chests even if you fail, and if you succeed it’s practically guaranteed you’ll get emperor vaults.
They also completely equalise gear, so not being fully kitted out means nothing.
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PENG PENG PENG
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>play perfectly for 20 minutes
>make one mistake
>die
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>>729338365
Way she goes, boys. Way she goes. I've been grabbed by muties and tossed off edges. It happens.
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>>729300386
>they have been improving and Im surprised they dont trigger more often
Because every 5 seconds a special spanws that hijacks the character voice lines.
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>>729323909
Did you mean to type Lasgun? You can just roll grey weps and upgrade the best stated one. It's easy as fuck. You don't need to wait for drops in darktide just make the wep you want and get mastery on it?
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>>729297897
YOURE MINE FIRE HAG
>360 overhead
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I can't help but love muties, they're so dumb it's funny.
>aaaaAAAAAAAAAAARGH
>hit with big friendly rock
>launched into stratosphere
I will always go for the missions with the "lots of mutants" modifier
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>>729339945
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>>729340308
https://youtu.be/DwzDqN7foyI
what really gets me is when they hit a wall
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>>729338365
Better than havoc where missions take a full fucking hour and any player making a single mistake can fuck things up so hard that it can end the whole thing in moments.
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>>729314956
The humble Skagen is genuinely my favorite fictional race in any setting ever, so I'm biased. Vermintide is less shooty, has far far far FAR better maps both in layout and in aesthetics with actual theming, better lines and characters, but pretty barebones ranged combat which you will only really use to snipe specials. And while technically the melee combat too is "simpler" it just feels better all around, without needing Zealot press X to awesome. It's also on 95% discount all the time, just try it.
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>>729339945
>>729340408
I prefer his gator ladies but a hyena is fine too
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>>729341057
>I prefer his gator ladies
Amen.
>>729340851
*Skaven
Utterly embarrassing typo, I'll rope-suicide now.
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>>729340408
>>729339945
BASADO
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>>729297535

these guys got buffed against the bolt gun, it sucks hard.
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I was getting back into it but then they announced the new class as Hivescum and I lost all interest. Let me know when they release something AdMech.
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>>729341370
Maybe the whole "imperium rejects" custom characters was a mistake from the get go and we should have just played as underling characters of the inquisitor from the start.
That way we could have gotten some xenos too but don't let the Ordo Chudium hear that.
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>>729341528
I mean you can incorporate other Inquisition underlings and I personally would prefer no xenos, but it wouldn't be the worst thing either.
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>>729297897
YOU'RE MINE
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I've just been playing Auric, am I casul?
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>thread still up
i didn't know this many of you fags play this game
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>>729342862
Yeah but Havoc 30+ is just plain unfun
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>>729333925
>start playing recently, right before the free weekend
>friend tells me to start with Zealot so I can get down the melee combat
>having fun
>The melee is fun but I hate that my best option for specials is the throwing knives
>getting a little bored
>Get completely giga carried by a Veteran in Damnation who seemingly shot every special on the map
>What the fuck is that gun he's using?
>look up the plasma gun
>Immediately make a vet
>Finally get the plasma gun and it's absolute peak
>Let me try the other grenades out since I've just been using frags
>Go into the training room and see that the krak grenade kills the fucking crusher in one hit

I bounced off of Vermintide 1 and 2 so hard but being able to switch super freely between melee and the gun and the fucking grenades on this character won me over. Every time I shoot the plasma gun into a crowd and it cleaves a thousand grunts and the special in one bullet, I nut for the omnissiah
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>>729344196
Weapons like that absolutely should and would be venerated.
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>>729338365
This only happens if you play hive scum.
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>>729344196
Vet is the dumbest class ever you get a special delete gun, a get out of jail card with the shout and armor plus boss melter with kraks.
I think he's the easiest class to do good with.
The plasma gun is so fucking overtuned it makes all other weapons a joke. Can you still do good with a bolter and it's half hour swap time? sure, but you can just take a plasma rifle and do the same for far less effort.
Try the recon or heavy pistol lasgun builds they give you free ammo and sets shit on fire on crit they're the only weapons that can stand up to the plasma rife
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>>729345101
But I rarely see vets on top of the scoreboard. Its always either arbites, psykers, zealots or hive scum.
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>>729345246
Scoreboards don't mean shit vet gives insane utility with tagging, shout and panic button nades
It's a support class not a circle chaser
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>>729345101
Ive made a build with all of those too. The lasguns are fun as fuck. Especially the recon lasgun I think it is where you just fucking HOSE the entire level with shock trooper. I thought the Helbore was extremely fun with the charging but after a bit it really felt like I was working twice as hard as I would have on the plasma gun for not even the same amount of return. It's definitely over tuned but it's very fun which I think matters more.
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C R U S H E D
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>>729345453
Dont forget to mention that veteran has the best drip out of all the classes maybe rivaled by the ogryn
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>>729311548
The issue with 40k is that GW is far more possessive of it as an ad tool for selling models.
>Base classes
All represented with Imperial Guard models
>Arbites
Kill Team ad
>Hive Scum
Necromunda ad
The issue being that, given they're ads, GW doesn't want them to divert TOO much attention from the tabletop midels they represent. DT being made at all is an act of God, as GW would have been far happier with some shitty turn-based SRPG that died within a week of release.



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