Why is this genre "niche" and how did this genre fall off the mainstream so hard over the past decade?
>>729298638dead genre
>>729298638Lack of high literacy difficulty.
>>729298694NGB & NG2 purists are genuine faggots.
>>729298638>ow did this genre fall off the mainstream so hard over the past decadeThe change of demographics the pool is bigger than ever but most of them want to lean back while gaming that's why gow, e33 and other lean backs game do so wellwhile sweats would much rather play multiplayer games >souls fagsthose are more about survival than having fun
>>729298638They have terrible enemy design while Souls games have good enemy design.
>>729298638When Souls became popular people realized how shallow these games are.
>>729298762Souls games are like a series of questions and answers "roll now, hit now, use that instead"while action games are more like making your music while trying not to get hit
>>729298675>>729298762>>729298836Everyone knew the assignment kek
>>729298760This.Character action games/hack and slash games’ higher execution barriers compared to other games make it so you have to always be “on” to play these games, and gamers now prefer to not sweat when playing games unless it’s multiplayer.
>>729298638Because it's not multiplayer slop and you can't press one button and win
>>729298638>normalfags can't handle the complex inputs>Soulsfags don't care about playing juggle simulators>fighting game fags would rather fight against real people>arcadeheads see them as the shallow shit they are
play it
>>729298836>>729299014“Shallow”More shallow than rolling and pressing R1 when appropriate?
>>729298836nigga you literally beat souls games by rolling and pressing light attack in most cases
>>729298638>over the past decadeit reached its zenith in the late 00s and quickly faded away in a few years. it has been well over a decade. it isn't helped by the fact that for some reason some of the biggest releases for the genre (either by IP or creator attached) for a long time were basically nintendo exclusives. madworld (though it came out before the genre really faded out), bayo 2 and 3, devils third, astral chain, and w101. it really hurt the genre's visibility and interest by being relegated to "the babby consoles". most gamers who WOULD show interest in these games didn't because it was on a console they didn't own and the majority of nintendo console owners don't really pay attention to third party releases (unless they are turbo weebs, in which case they want frilly, girly anime JRPGs and not fast paced action combat).
>>729299215This is why Astral Chain was DoA when it would’ve sold respectably in any other circumstance.
There hasn't been a good game in the genre for over a decade, the audience just isn't there (ng4 couldn't even break past 12k steam players)
>>729299343The games ARE good, though. Delusional to say otherwise that NG4, Hifi Rush, and DMC5 are “bad”.
Kind of primitive by today's standards but good practice for real action games. Training wheels if you will.
>>729299515What's a "real" action game?
>>729299515>>729299215>>729299014>>729298836kill yourselves
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>>729299591why are you upset at my comment >>729299215? i literally just said that OP's timeline of when the genre "died" is shorter than the reality and that one of the reasons is that the games that WERE developed in that timeframe got no traction was because they were trapped in babby jail. i played w101 when it got a pc release and really enjoyed it. i would love to play bayo 2 and 3, astral chain, and devils third but i won't get a nintendo console for that reason alone. besides, the genre has been seeing a bit of a resurgence and i am happily playing some of these other games. soulstice and wanted dead were surprisingly good, for example.
>>729298638You know the answer>rollslop
>>729299215>>729299846Did you buy NG4?
>>729299934Yes, it's mediocre
>>729298638When the fuck was it ever mainstream you clueless zoomer faggot?
>>729298638Too mechanically involved for modern AAA studios to invest time in. The games are very kinetic, which means that there is a high risk of bugs, so they don't want to bother when they can just churn out a generic open world game with slow mocapped walking.
hot take but dmc isn't even a top cag.lost soul aside, spiderman, and rebirth stomp it.
>>729299934i will when it is cheaper than 100 fucking leaf fun bucks.>OOOOH IT IS ON SALE RIGHT NOWstill too much. i am not buying any new games at the ridiculous prices they are asking. i am paying 30 dollars for it max.>YOU'RE KILLING THE GENRE BY NOT BUYING IT WHEN IT COMES OUT, PUBLISHERS WON'T INVEST IF YOU DON'T BUY BUY BUYi hope to kill all genres, then. the prices they ask for games are so absurdly ridiculous. even if the game looks good, i shan't be paying that much for it. i won't pirate it either. i just won't engage with it until they respect my wallet and time.
>>729300023Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden and God of War were titans of the industry in the 2000's. What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>729300218Every time.
>>729300221>>729300023spiderman is a cag and is selling millions
>>729300023devil may cry was huge, god of war was huge, ninja gaiden was huge, lots of action and hack and slash games took inspiration from them and there were lots of games that came out trying to be like devil may cry or god of war. there are even hints of the genre in the early lego games for crying out loud. but, where the CAG genre sort of evolved out of the early RE games, the more modern trend in action games evolved out of RE4, with shit like uncharted and the last of us and nu god of war all trying to be like RE4.
>>729299934I pre ordered deluxe and put 60 hours into it before clearing master ninja + trials. Great game but it's clear dlc won't address any issues.
>>729300441>it's clear dlc won't address any issuesUnless they add Ayane as a character or boss.
>>729299343Soulstice is pretty good.>t.just missing finishing the game on the very last difficulty
>>729300441it's fun nigger
>729300330no more (you)s, you pathetic weasel. you have nothing of value to say.
>>729300528Imagine watching that webm and calling NG4 "mediocre".
>>729300221GoW is barely a character action series, you can button mash your way to victory. DMC was never mainstream, Bayo was DoA until Nintendo saved it, no normie has ever cares about NG. What the fuck is this zoomer obsession with pretending everything they like has to compete in the mainstream? Character action being niche is why it's still able to be good.
>>729300497I don't mind the lack of ayane as a protag, I'd rather them invest more resources in giving ryu more shit.>>729300528I said it's a great game, there's just a bunch of smaller technical issues that bother me + only 1 weapon for ryu (recent interview confirms only 1 ONE new weapon in dlc) and ninja trials being shitty in general. After razors edge, the trials in 4 feel poverty tier.
>>729300372>spiderman is a cagNot at all. It's an Arkham-like.
>>729300606>DMC was never mainstreamare you absolutely retarded?
>>729300606>born in 2010
>>729298638>RelinkWorst than Dynasty Warriors 1. Very insulting that this game is here.
>>729298638>Bayo 3, DMC5, NG4, nu Gowevery new entry ended up being worse than the previous one.
>>729300713Most normoids have still never heard of the series, yeah. Despite being popular in niche circles 3 didn't sell very well. 4 had its budget slashed and the franchise was unpopular enough to warrant the reboot, which was a total flop. 5 is the only game that can be considered mainstream successful but even then most people don't know wtf it is, as evidenced by countless xitter posts going "huh wdym Blue Dante isn't actually in a plastic chair?" Pretending it's ever been on the same level as GoW is ridiculous.
>>729298694SPBP. These games just play themselves now.
>>729300997>ninja moves like a ninjabased
>>729300997>complains about g throw automation while glazing 2Grim lack of awareness and literacy. Not sure who's more retarded bog or mork but the real dumbasses are those eating up morks shit
>>729300997>Teleporting>Just like a true ninja.What's the problem here?
>>729298694>incoherent babble about imagined dead or alive triangle system in ngWhat did he mean by this?
>>729300528spastic garbage
>>729298638Because writing is hard, and it's MUCH easier to make vacuous, character-less action slop like Miyaslopi does
>>729300987most "normoids" weren't even really gaming as greatly in 2005. but if you gamed at all beyond tiger worlds PGA golf tour 2005 and madden NFL 06, you knew what devil may cry was.
>>729301237>anything that isn't the speed of nugow is spastic garbage
>>729299343NG4 shouldn't have been $70 for 15 hours of turbo sweaty slop>>729299393Hi-Fi Rush was profoundly mid and aggressively r*ddit
>>729301390>writing is hardYeah, and these action games are proof since not a single one of them has a good story.
>>729301489>15 hours>I beat the game once on normal and completely dropped it right after
>>729301441it's not fast, it's just spastic. Whoever animated that game is a total retard.
>>729301650skill diff
>>729300987>3 didn't sell wellbecause it was hampered by the reception from 2>4 had its budget slashedpretty sure the budget wasn't cut midway through but rather they were limited from the very start. anyways development for 4 was a clusterfuck in general, especially with the demand to make it multiplat.and yet in spite of being half a game it sold a lot.>the franchise was unpopular enough to warrant the rebootno it was capcom (and japan devs in general) suffering from the westaboo delusion.
>>729301731You can find endless reasons and excuses but the fact is none of these games did particularly well, certainly not outside Japan.
>>729301539Yes, nigger. That is how the length of a game is measured. It didn't cost the devs five times more just because you played it five fucking times. It's $70 for a 15 hour game, and you are a faggot.
>>729301845character action games are a full course meal prepared by an artisan chef. not slop like some fps dog shit or souls.
It got usurped by souls games and monster hunter, deservedly
Post some juggleGOLD
>>729301731where is dmc 6?megaman games are cheap games to make
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>>729302003FUCK OFF
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>>729301829DMC1 is #64 and 3 is #58 (SE and normal combined) of all top selling PS2 games.In fact DMC1 is capcom's 2nd best selling title on the PS2, after RE4. If that ain't top tier performance, I don't know what is.>>729302051Well at first it was cuz Itsuno and co were working on DD2. Nowadays it's probably the same situation as it was at the end of 3 except the execs aren't putting any pressure to create another sequel.
>>729298638too much crowd controltoo much jugglingpeople who like combos prefer fighting games
>>729302396>except the execs aren't putting any pressure to create another sequel.i wonder why is that?maybe because the franchise was not that successful?
>>729302113>>729302213Kino
>>729302687you are a dumbassfuck you and fuck crinja gayden
>>729302567>dante and vergil are some of capcom's most popular characters>they just made an anime with tons of money poured into it, with loads of licensed music>commissioned a new evanescence song just for it>did very well, has a second season coming out in maycapcom knows the property will sell, but capcom is also a company run by a bunch of bumbling idiots. they somehow are among the best AND worst publishers due to the decisions they make when it comes to choosing what to develop and how.
>>729303000blah blah blahthere is no dmc 6 because these games dont justify their budgets
>>729302567it's clear that they're diversifying their lineup with the new name titles and sequels to older shit.And they still have their current reliable cashcows in RE (and used to with MH).With that in mind why bother force your guys to work on a game they don't feel any motivation for? You're risking to hurt a well established franchise for no gain.
>>729302213holy mother of rollslopfromsoft should take notes
>>729303097>there is no dmc 6there will be one out before 2030, and the only reason we haven't seen it sooner is the aforementioned thing about capcom being retarded. imagine if they had spent the money from exoprimal on dmc6 instead, what would have been a better investment? how long did it take before capcom finally made DD2? how long between major street fighter releases? capcom is just slow and stupid and basically focus only on RE as a franchise, everything else is tertiary in their eyes but that doesn't mean they will never touch DMC again.
>>729302735There is no need to be upset
>>729298638Stop trying to make it a thing, it's third person action game
I wanna try to 100% one of these games on steam just for bragging rights on my profile so I can look like a real gamer.Which game?
>>729303630NG4.
>>729303486>that doesn't mean they will never touch DMC again.do you want to bet?
>>729303669sure, it is easy money.
>>729300372>and is selling millions...of copies bundled with PlayStations
