Pc is for people that want to tinker and mod stuff console is fine for someone who just wants to get on and play
>>729314174I am personally excited for the Steam Machine. Pc gaming without the hassle of drivers and compatibility shenanigans.
>>729314174>boot up console>put disk in>installation needed>wait for it to install>start game>crashes>please download 60gb patch>download failed try again later>downloaded>start game>crashes againwow i love modern console gaming.what happened to games just werking? i remember when you put a cartridge in a console it would just fucking work
>>729314292>Pc gaming without the hassle of drivers and compatibility shenanigans.That's just Linux though.
>>729314174>buys $7,000 setup>plays a video game for 40 mins just to test and post their benchmark>rinse and repeat I'd have a bad ass pc if I had the money, but I like consoles. I guess theyre more affordable and dont need a new GPU every 2-3 years. And those gpus seem to keep getting bigger and bigger. This isnt counting the other stuff, motherboard, gaming mouse, etc. It adds up after a while, and all you need with a console is a tv that doesn't suck.
>>729314174>no browser with guides/mods>no 4chan in alt-tab>no discord, twitter, redditI mean it's not a surprise that people usually game more on consoles, there's just less distractions and it just worksI have nothing against both platforms but I never planned to spend entire days slouching over my pc battlestation shrine as a replacement for life, I don't want to turn into picrelnot to mention how pc is always chasing the console-like gaming experience: steam big picture mode, SteamOS and so on, some games on steam outright say that gamepad is the preferred method of inputthere's just so much useless friction with pc in doing things
>>729314454>game uses kernel level anti cheat>linux stops working Nah linux gaming is annoying af.
>>729314174console is for people who just want to come home sit on the couch and game for an hour maybe two. they want the convenience to relax after work. the reality is that PC is that convenient and has been for a decade. the thing is these users also dont want to learn because that takes up your time to relax. users are so against learning theyd rather pay for access to their own internet service. In fact people are unwilling to learn how to use a kb+m or anything thats not a xbox/playstation controller.i get setting up a pc is expensive and requires some learning, but it beats console in the long run when it comes to saving money, maintaining access to your library, and value for performance.
>>729314174my only gripe against PC is cheating is 100x more common than on consolenintendo gets a lot of hate but splatoon cheaters actually get caught and banned from all services
>>729315728>cheating is 100x more common than on consoleregion locked servers in every online game would solve this wish it were a law already
>>729314651>more affordableNot really when you factor in the online subscriptions and more expensive games.>dont need a new GPU every 2-3 yearsNeither does PC unless you actively choose to chase the latest hadrware.>motherboardCheap.>gaming mouseBasically any mouse and keyboard will be good enough. Or you can just use a controller.>all you need with a console is a tv that doesn't suckActing like modern TVs aren't either bullshit expensive, full of adware or both.
>>729314292>windowsive had to remove old drivers and install new ones it takes less than 10 mins oj my machine.>linuxi installed endeavoros which included them. check for updates on boot and update if necessary, less than 10 minsits hardly different from running a system update.
>even third worlders are able to figure out PCs since consoles are too expensive in their shitholesWhat excuse do first world consolefags have? What causes someone to be too stupid to figure out how to use Steam?
Games arent very enjoyable on console
>>729314978>arc raiders works on linux>gta 5 doesnt work on linux anymore and cheaters are still in the gameblame the developers/publishers for excluding linux and not catching cheaters.
>>729314978>playing onlineslop in current year + 10I shiggy diggy
>>729315728>cheating is 100x more common than on consoleThat's only true if you conveniently ignore the fact that everyone on console has developer sanctioned aimbot.
>>729314381hands that never touched a console controller wrote this post
>>729316016that online slop is what the vast majority of consumers play. if cod, fifa, fortnite, etc arent on game cube why is any normie gonna bother with it?
>>729316101it should all be replaced by gyro controls, aim assist is gay
>>729316446Playing a shooter with anything other than a mouse and keyboard is awful.
>>729314174Statements like this is some kind of a window into another dimension for me. What the fuck do you do with your pc that launching a game turn int oa tedious work for you? Try to run modern games on W95? Play them with your monitor turned off? Use your legs for keyboard and mouse?
>>729315481>but it beats console in the long run when it comes to saving money,hmmmm with those new Ram prices, I am not sure this is true anymore.
>>729316538steam controller right touchpad as mouse solved that issue 10 years ago but no normie faggot on controller wanted to try it nor did most tryhard wanna be pro mouse players. im not saying its perfect but there are plenty of players who learned to play cs and tf2 surely cod wouldnt be a challenge. in fact the biggest challenege was compatability
>>729314978Just play better games, lah
>>729316773if you try to run anything made in 7th gen and before (literally thousand of games) you will have to find some workaround to fix itdespite how much compatibility is appreciated on pc it turns out that you just can't run everything on modern hardware that's orders of magnitude more powerful than the shit from the early 2000s in a single clickthis is obviously becoming less and less of a problem for games that get a simultaneous multiplatform release and nobody is speaking about them because they truly just work, even on linuxit's not very hard to understand anon and shifting blame on the user literally never works because in 99% it's not even their fault that the game wasn't patched to remove windows live and other forgotten and outdated slopon consoles on the other hand even 30 years from now it will be >put disc>play
>>729316442That post chain wasn't discussing normie usecases though.
>>729316538Why exactly do you think that?
>>729316814yeah, new ram. new ram new consoles are gonna need. everything is gonna go up, but you can still buy older components thatll get the job done.
>>729316996Nigger. How lazy are you if installing one patch that is easy to find is some sort of a buzz killer for you?>7th genBitch. I recently played Thief. A game from 1998. And all it took me is one easy to find and easy to install patch. What age are you if basic computer usage is something tiresome for you?
>>729314174I have a ps5, switch 2, and a PC and I don't see what tinkering is necessary on PC. you can tinker if you want, but I don't. same amount of tinkering as on my consoles
>>729317012... yes it is? any core user who would want one of these already has a pc. any hardcore user already has a pc that blows it out of the water. gabecube is a gateway for normies that think installing drivers is like taking an engine apart
>>729314978Yea. Its horseshit. I LOVE kernel level anticheat too much to give it up!>>729315481This, its been a long time since ive had to fiddle with a pc game to make it work.
The differences are minor at this point unless you have an expensive pc setup. PlayStation Store sales have been awesome the past couple years and especially this one. As for paying to play online… It’s only $80 a year for PSN. A nuisance, sure, but it’s not worth spending $3000+ on a pc to avoid that.
>>729314381>dude, if I just lie they’ll definitely agree with me that pc is le better!
>>729317312>Nigger. How lazy are you if installing one patchthat's the whole pointwhy should I even do it? It's the job of the developer to patch and maintain their games updatedyou literally bought a product anon, it's not something you stole, you paid real money for something you have to fix yourselfit doesn't matter if you have to install one small patch or go beyond that, it's a matter of principle because meanwhile you get the same game on consoles and it literally just works (because believe it or not but with consoles the extra-workload of optimizing the game to run on that console is shifted on the developers who must go through this process once to ensure that their game will run on millions of devices)it's not about being lazy or tech-illiterate>Bitch. I recently played Thief. A game from 1998. And all it took me is one easy to find and easy to install patch.I also had a similar expereince but as I said before when I buy a game and click play I expect it just to work since it's being sold to me in the storeeither delist the game or put up a "needs a patch" disclaimer, I don't see why this is so controversial, it's like you are wrong for having a minimum level of standards as a paying customer>What age are you if basic computer usage is something tiresome for you?it's not basic usage, as I already said pc itself is chasing the console-like gaming experience because that's the ideal way to experience games, having to go through extra steps just to get shit done is nothing something to be praised, you might be used to it but it's your personal subjective experience and hundreds of millions choose to avoid itI reckon that for most normies basic usage of a pc is literally having a browser and a bunch of apps to do their normies things
>>729316996>7th genIs that before ps3? You understand these consoletards don't even play before 1 gen in the past. They don't even have the option to play without buying a whole console where on pc the most you have to do is extract a patch.>>729316773>>72931417499% of games the console people would ever play is a 1 click launch on steam.The most "trouble" I have is that getting my ps3 controller working with the game can be wonky for a minute.
>>729314174>60fps max or 120fps smeared mess even while plugged in>memory card speed read gimmick requirement when the games are evidently not even pushing the system>video conferencing is a blurry messconsoles arent even trying anymore and keep jacking up the price. its era is long over.
>>729314292>Pc gaming without the hassle of drivers and compatibility shenanigans.Are you stupid? It will be even worse.
>>729317940>Is that before ps3? 7th gen is xbox360/ps3/wii>You understand these consoletards don't even play before 1 gen in the pastwrong?xbox has extensive support up to xbox 360 (3 generations)ps5 has digital ps1/ps2 games and will get ps3 games in the future while being fully BC with ps4ps3 (fat) is BC physically with ps1-ps2 and it had a massive digital ps1-ps2 library, all ps3 models are BC with ps1said taht most people don't care about playing old things when they purchase a new console and this is the reason why you won't find a ps3 section in a gamestop and soon won't find ps4 games even, they are not selling those games eithermeanwhile you are free to spend money on steam to buy things that don't even work out of the box
>>729317697>It’s only $80 a year for PSNAlmost a hunderd bucks and it's trending up constantly. Soon it'll be 100, then 150, then 200. It's already at the point where a console + 7 - 8 years of online subs costs as much as an equivalent PC.
>>729314174>console is fine for someone who just wants to get on and playpeople who don't want to customize or have the best experience possible with their hobbies are sub-human consoomer trash. Or alternatively it's not really their hobby, they just do it to pass time without passion.
>>729317851>why should I even do it? It's the job of the developer to patch and maintain their games updatedUse gog then or just pirate old games? It's still 100% better than hoping that 1 day the devs will port that one old game to the current console so that you'll have an opportunuty to pay 40$ for it.>because meanwhile you get the same game on consoles and it literally just worksYou literally dont'. PC's library of old games is x50 larder than consoles ones.>either delist the game or put up a "needs a patch" disclaimer, I don't see why this is so controversial, it's like you are wrong for having a minimum level of standards as a paying customerBecause majority of people don't have the same autism as you and understand that old games may not work on modern hardware and software? You straight up admitted that it's your personal principle but then extrapolate it on the rest of the world.>I reckon that for most normies basic usage of a pc is literally having a browser and a bunch of apps to do their normies thingsMost normies don't play old games unless they suddenly become a part of modern fad.
>>729314174This was true in the 90s and 2000s. Since about 2013 PC ports got really good and in 90% of cases you can just launch the game and play it with no further tweaks. Now consoles have all the downsides of a PC with none of the advantages. >b-b-but to play this 20 year old game you have to install fan-made patches!At least my PC can play 20 year old games. Consoles ditched backwards compatibility to sell you DEI remakes instead.
>>729314174Consoles are for people who want to play arcade games at home. Consoles lost their reason for being over 30 years ago.
>>72931830280 x 8 is $640! I purchased a PS5 on launch and only paid for 6 years so $480. The console was $500 and I sold it to get a PS5 Pro for $700. I got 300 my original one. I spent like $1400 all in without games and an optional upgrade. That’s just the GPU and RAM if you’re lucky
>>729318559>Use gog thennot all games are available there, obviously>just pirate old games? how does that solve anything? you are even more likely to have to mess with a game just to run it>It's still 100% better than hoping that 1 day the devs will port that one old game to the current consolebut nobody is hoping about that, it doesn't matter, because that game is not sold anymore in physical or digital, if you wanted to play it you would own original hardware and would have done so when you wanted to play it, not 10 years post-factthis is the difference: on steam it's actually getting sold to you in a non-functioning state>PC's library of old games is x50 larder than consoles ones.and? how many of them actually work and run well?it's not about who has more games, it's about having them in a functioning stateI have ps1 games that are literally older than me on disc and they play just fine on my ps3, I don't have to see out patches or anything, the game I bought a long time ago still runs flawlessly just like it did before>Because majority of people don't have the same autism as youbasics standards is not autism tho, I just refuse to pay for broken gameseither patch it (your duty as the developer to support it as you own the rights to the IP, you are selling a piece of software to me, either get rid of it or patch it) or fuck off, it's very simple, I just want interact with things that don't respect my time as a customer, you are never in the wrong for demanding better service especially when said better service requires pretty much zero extra work from your part>You straight up admitted that it's your personal principleit's not my personal principle, hundreds of millions think the same way, besides even if it was like that what does it change?>Most normies don't play old games unless they suddenly become a part of modern fad.and non-normies are generating high quality AI goon images instead of playing games, your point?
>>729317851>meanwhile you get the same game on consoles and it literally just worksBut consoles don't even have backwards compatibility beyond a single gen. To play older games you either have to purchase overpriced ports on their online store or you just can't if it wasn't ported.
>>729318232>to buy things that don't even work out of the box99% of games work out of the box. At least for the 1 percent we can patch it. Most console people just play cod, fifa, or the third one>>729319115>if you wanted to play it you would own original hardware and would have done so when you wanted to play it, not 10 years post-factThis is retarded. Plenty of kids didn't have extra money to buy every game they wanted to play or weren't even born yet. >sold to you in a non-functioning state>I just refuse to pay for broken gamesThat's where the piracy comes in
>>729318181No it wont. It will be better. You are the stupid.
>>729320048>99% of games work out of the box.did you count them or somethingI tried many games, even big releases that are still remembered fondly, and that shit just doesn't run>At least for the 1 percent we can patch itand this is the key issue, yeahthe developer should be doing that if they put their game on steam, not (You) the consumer>Most console people just play cod, fifa, or the third onecand judging by the steam top 10 most people on pc play cs, dota and the latest AAA game, so what?it's not indicative of anything>Plenty of kids didn't have extra money to buy every game they wanted to play or weren't even born yet. and they most likely won't be interested in that old shit, correct, believe it or not but people usually care about the latest releases not some ancient unplayable fossilsgames as a product are designed to be consumed at release because shareholders demand instant returns, not in 10-20 years when some retard decides that suddenly he needs to play a game older than him, however when he decides to do so he finds a game that's unplayable out of the box>That's where the piracy comes inyou just keep repeating the same braindead statements over and over again but never answer how this will change anything or how a pirated copy of the game suddenly becomes playable on modern hardware
>>729314174I can't even play the games I want to play on consolesI can't even play old console games on modern consoles
>>729318879>I spent like $1400 all in without games and an optional upgrade. That’s just the GPU and RAM if you’re luckyI got a 3060 Ti PC for around that price in late 2020. That's equivalent to a ps5. Thanks for doing the math to prove my point.
>>729320459>I tried many games, even big releases that are still remembered fondly, and that shit just doesn't runMaybe you're just unlucky.>the developer should be doing thatI agree but if I want to play the game extracting a patch isn't a big deal in terms of time. I can just not pay the publisher.>it's not indicative of anythingIt's hard to find much data so I can't argue this well.>people usually care about the latest releases old games are niche but we are talking about old games compatilibility so you can't just throw it out the window again. I only had a ps2 and a small amount of games on it but I played games for other old consoles and games I didn't own.>piracy...you just keep repeating the same braindead statementsBecause you say you don't want to pay for games that need a patch so I am literally saying you don't have to pay to get the game that needs a patch.
>>729314174pc is for people that want games and modern "consoles" are for subhumans
>>729321219>Maybe you're just unlucky.fair>extracting a patch isn't a big deal in terms of time.Sure it's not a big deal and it takes what, 5 extra minutes? But why should I be doing that, they don't care to keep their products being maintained and demand to be paid in advance>you say you don't want to pay for gameI don't have issues with paying for the game, I have issues with it being broken and still being sold while I have to waste my own time instead, even if it's only extra 5 minutes, because it's completely unncessary but somehow it was normalized that you need to accept the bare minimum and do all the work yourself which obviously leads to the fact that service gets worse and worse over time if you keep lowering the barpiracy doesn't solve the broken game problem, you paid nothing but you still need to fix it so you already invested your time and you didn't even touch the gameI mean I can think of a gorillion instances where anything gets sold to you and you would get angry if you didn't get what you paid for or it came broken, you would surely demand a refund instead of thinking "not a big deal, let me just fix it" but with games somehow this doesn't apply
>>729314174As an adult I simply no longer care to search obscure forums for patches and spend all day installing HD texture packs to be immersed by the most realistic looking blades of grass. Most mods are objectively terrible, either coomer slop, Reddit humor or poorly conceived broken messes that don’t fit the game at all. I only use PC for old soulful adventure games and RTS these days.
>>729314174>turn on PC>double click a game >playAs shrimple as that.
>>729314174Not really, no. It's just a performance thing. Mods are just plain unnecessary.
>>729322213This. PC niggers love to boast about their mods but 99% of mods are fucking trash.
>>729314174I've got both and I don't really mind the process. Console is still nice to keep around for the family.
>>729316205>>729317698Why are you both trying to pretend what that anon said hasn't been a problem for 3 generations now? Do you only play consoles from Gen 6 or earlier? Going to pretend you haven't had to spend 20 minutes updating your console because it had a system update and their servers suck? Get out of here with your lies.
>>729314174>consoles are for lazy idiotsTrue but unrelated to games, which are install and play. But of course you are too stupid to ever know first hand.
