>after a great start the second game in the series is a total disappointmentWhy is this so common?
>>729319935>Dragon Age 2>total disappointmentHow do you feel about the games that came after that one?
>>729320052Inquisition is better despite all its flaws.
>>729320052Indifferent. I didn't play any of them.
>>7293200521 > 2 > 3 > 4
>>729319935Invisible War kicked ass and I don't care what anyone says.
>>729319935Dark Souls peaked with 2, I'm sick of ppl pretending that DS3 wasn't a massive downgrade.
>>729320112You have to be trolling lmao Inquisition has awful MMO gameplay, grinding and map and a literal conversation with a ftm tranny that's worse than anything in Veilguard.
>>729320112This.The whole single player MMO fiasco overshadows all the good things Inquisition brought to the table.
>>729320125That's probably why you don't understand what I'm talking about. Every Dragon Age game was worse than the previous. As for why it happens, it's probably due to people joining or leaving. >>729320349>Inquisition has awful MMO gameplayIt does, and it's a really poor attempt at making the game seem larger.>we have a huge world but it's empty>what if we just put little collectibles everywhere? :)Dragon Age 2 was better despite being linear. People defending Dragon Age Inquisition are probably still playing World of Warcraft.
>>729320052Just because 2 is better than them, doesn't mean 2 isn't bad>>729320112Inquisition is godawful. At least 2 was still recognizably Dragon Age, even if way shitter. Inquisition was when the pozzed faggots at Bioware no longer had any leash keeping them in and just Shar all over the game.All of Veilguard's faults, like the sanitized world and less RPG elements first showed up in Inquisition. The only reason it wasn't a complete failure was because 2014 was literally the worst year for video games ever, so anything recognizable that didn't give you cancer made normalfags cream their pants.
>>729320538NTA, DA2 was a disappointment because it felt so much like they repurposed Mass Effect 2 or something.Then they made Inquisition and ME Andromeda felt like they repurposed Inquisition lmaoVeilguard had a kinda decent gameplay and good optimization on launch but needless to say it failed in about everything elseBioWare is fucking dead.
>Dragon's Dogma 2>Final Fantasy II>Final Fantasy Tactics Advance>Okamiden>Fable II>Beyond Divinity>Bioshock 2>Prince of Persia Warrior Within
>>729320370Like what?I wanted to like Inqueersition, but it was shite.>capeshit millenial tier writing & artstyle>DEI mandates>poor gameplay even when you factor out the MMO aspect>frostbite engine sucks outside of online fps>stupid half and half DAO vs DAII mechanicsThe only reasons it gets talked about today is because DA The FailHard was possibly the worst game ever made, which makes DAI's 5/10 look impressive.
>>729321446Veilguard is better than Inquisition. It has fun gameplay, beautiful scenery, amazing art direction and one of the best character creators. In Inquisition you can't make anything but a potato face.
>>729320728I miss believing DD 2 is gonna be the next best thing after sliced bread
>>729321602>fun gameplayLmao>>729321602>beautiful sceneryEh>amazing art directionLol wut. It's one of the ugliest games by design I've ever seen. It's all the most sterile generic shit.
>>729321860You haven't even played it, have you?
>>729321602FailHard>fun gameplayWhile not it's weak point, it's meh at best.>beautiful scenery, amazing art directionNow I know you're just b8ing. That art style is even more capeshit tier slop than DAI. Look at the tranny's armour, it doesn't even work. There is no way the troon could put it on lol.It's all just that uber clean seamless comic book shit that cucks seem to love.
>>729321967Oh you're actually just retarded.
>>729322034Do you know what capeshit is?
>>729319935mass effect 2 is a bigger fall than dragon age 2dragon age origins was at least not interesting so 2 didn't ruin much
I legitimately think Risen 2 is better than 1. Gothic but you are a bald faggot slowly walking around a mostly empty island while the same 3 music tracks loop on repeat was far worse than goofball Pirates of the Carribeans now with slightly worse combat. Plus it had the best Patty depiction by and far.
>>729319935DS II is great though
>>729321967Yes I have.It's very easy to pirate and see for yourself how terrible it is.It's not even an arguable thing, the game failed hard enough to kill the franchise. A game so bad even retards that liked Inquisition wouldn't buy it
>>729321602>there are people ITT who unironically, seriously, literally played a post-Anthem Bioware game
>>729322250Yeah, faggy and sterileJust like your screenshot
>>729322250Yes, DA FailHard's artstyle.
>>729322469> You played videogames? Yuck!!!Let me guess, you just watch asmongold play something and then repeat his opinion?
>>729322454Nah it's a good game, you haven't played it and it shows.
>>729322551>You eat? That must mean you also eat poopie!!!Fuck off nigger
Welcome to modern /v/, where microtransactions are good, games from before 2020 are uncslop and unplayable garbage that aged like milk, trannies and faggots are based and post 2008 Bioware games are great.
>>729322698>it's a good game>kills the franchise it's part ofRetarded people like you are eh this country is going to shit
>>729322698Nah, it's not. Hence why multiple people are shitting on you while literally not a single other anon agrees with your gay opinions.
>>729322876*Why
>>729322469That's way beyond the point of shit.While there are multiple Bioware blunders throughout their many phases, most people would agree that the ME3 fiasco was a point of no return.
>>729323125Nobody cares. Your screenshot is ancient, barely anyone from 2014 is still on this site and the fact that you are pulling out almost 12 year old arguments like they matter at all or have any relevancy today is fucking pathetic. You lost.
>>729323219You seem madVeilguard was released this year and also flopped super hard, stick to these recent events then
>>729323125>2014lmao unc, I was 8, who cares?
>>729319935Add Mass Effect 2 and Frostpunk 2
>>729323342>I was 8>2014Ewww, an old man
>>729323423don't talk back, grandpa
>>729323486>boomer type reply
>>729322454The franchise was already dead, thanks to the irreparable damage that was done to Bioware's reputation from Mess Effect Andromeda and then Anthem. I don't know what the sales figures were and I don't give a shit. It's simply a matter of time until EA finally takes this zombified company out behind the woodshed and finally puts it out of its misery.
>>729324574>The franchise was already dead, thanks to the irreparable damage that was done to Bioware's reputation from Mess Effect Andromeda and then AnthemYou'd think that, but for some reason, and unlike literally every other company they had, EA still kept giving them chances to fail and lose money>I don't know what the sales figures were and I don't give a shit.Reported 1.5 million players "engaged" with it, so it's looking as if it sold less or near 1 million copies
>>729320052>How do you feel about the games that came after that one?Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Probably a named logical fallacy but I do not care to look it up.
>>729319935Dragon Age was never good. Please do not ever post on this board ever again if you think DAO is what a video game should be like
>>729324918It's just a misdirect, it has nothing to do with the original argument. It's be no different if I tried to counter anything you said with "ok but why are you gay?"
>>729319935>Dragon Age Origins was good. Please do not ever post on this board ever again if you think DAO isn't what a video game should be like
>>729319935darkest dungeon 2 is kino actually.
>>729319935Lots of reasons. Greed is a big one. Sequels are often rushed out in order to capitalise on the success ASAP. This is mainly what hurt DA2. They're also expected to grow the audience and make more profit, so things get dumbed down to appeal to ''casual'' gamers.Sometimes developers just get too ambitious, or they can't find the right balance between innovation and retaining what worked.
>>729319935A lot of times they're not meant to be franchises.Deus Ex and DAO are excellent examples.They work as stand alone titles with not real need for sequels
>>729324884This sounds like corpo doublespeak for "1.5 million people downloaded it on xbox game pass, played the tutorial and then uninstalled it">>729324939Fuck you and the horse you rode in on
>>729327990It's one of the most infuriating uses or corpo speak I've ever seenEngaged means absolutely nothing. It's even fucking vaguer than the guaranteed flop language use of "players". If I clicked at the page of the game on the online store didn't a technically "engage" with it?
>>729319935This is the same with any art form. An artists first published works are usually a curated accumulation of their best ideas throughout their entire life to that point. You have from the age of like 5 to start to think of these ideas and collecting them until you finally share them with the world at age 20 something. If you publish another work 2 years later, that's 2 years of ideas vs 20.It isn't the same for every artist of course and some of the all time greats only ever got better until they died. Beethoven for example. For some their debut works will be rough around the edges and they will have enough original ideas left to peak in their second or third with a little more polish. But it's a common phenomenon none the less.
>>729322876>>729322950>Hence why multiple people are shitting on you while literally not a single other anon agreesHow do you use ad populum fallacy and not feel embarrassed?Did you even finish high school? Do you even know what a fallacy is?
>>729328554>muh fallacyIt's an objective fact that the game was a flop and killed the franchise.What objective arguments do you have to prove that it's a good game? It's not sales. It's not influence on the industry. It's not innovation.
>>729319935>/v/edditor still stuck in his contraran phaseDA2 and DS2 are kinos of the highest orderM&B2 completely replaced the first game, everyone moved to play ot except poorfags with old potato PC'sthe other three are shit but in Darkest Dungeon case both of them were trash anyway
>>729328929>DA2>kinoIt's baldy written, has fewer RPG elements than the first game, looks uglier in basically every way too and it's also inconsistent at parts.What makes it kino
>>729328695> X amount of people didn't like it so it proves my point! HA!Guess you must think earth is flat because majority of people believed that at one point.
>>729329075What's badly written about it? :)
>>729320052>>729320654dragon age 2 is one of the worst games of all time. inquisition is better than dragon age 2 simply because it's not dragon age 2
>>729329187What's so bad about it? :)
>>729329075>It's baldy writtenbetter characters and story than Originsthe entire conflict with the Arishock and the war between mages and templars is better than anything that happens in Originsyou probably think that whore Morrigan is peak waifu lol
>>729329081You didn't reply to anything I said, so you're clearly coping hard.>Guess you must think earth is flat because majority of people believed that at one point.Okay, this kinda shows how retarded you are.Nobody that cared about it thought the Earth was flat, humans used boats since fucking forever, they could see a ship disappearing over the horizon. Either you didn't care or thin labour the shape or the Earth or you knew it was round
>>729329152Lots of things. Start with the premise. It completely falls apart of you're playing a mage, because you'd instantly be recognized as such and sent to the Circle
>>729319935I'm especially pissed about Risen because they showed that they really could surpass Gothic with Risen but then they shat out whatever the hell Pirates of the Risen is
>>729329371> A-actually people in the past all thought the eart was a sphere!You're such an insecure pathetic idiot you can't even admit how you trying to use "X amount of people hated Veilguard so i'm right in saying it's bad :)" is a fallacy.You should kill yourself.
>>729329443>you'd instantly be recognized as such and sent to the CircleYou didn't actually play the game, did you?I wonder what youtuber told you the game was bad.
>>729329305>better characters and story than OriginsThat's an incredibly retarded opinion.There's no "story l" in DA2. It's just a series of unrelated things broken by a stupid time skip where the player is dissociated from his PC. First act there's an expedition Second, the QunariThird the mage revoltNone of these things built into each other and are barely related.The mage-templar conflict (which by itself is horrible writing if you played Origins) is the only thing that's actually built up and it ends up being pointless because it's not solved in 2 and by Inquisition it got solve offscreen.>the entire conflict with the Arishock Is apparently so memorable you don't even remember how to spell his name.>you probably think that whore Morrigan is peak waifu lolShe's a much better character than anyone in 2, that's for sure. There's a reason they keep bringing her back and not Sabastian Vael
>>729329494>A-actually people in the past all thought the eart was a sphere!Oh, so you can't read.Sad!I'll wait your further seething reply over your tranny game.
>>729329560>You didn't actually play the gameUh oh. Someone is coping hard.
Some faggot here is arguing that Veilguard wasn't a flop?>not even 100k players peak>almost all online discourse was negative > the positive discourse is some vague shit about it "redefining the franchise" and "going back to its roots" without being able to point out anything concrete>Traash>nobody talking about it can even tell me anything about its lore or plot>didn't meet sales targets>panders to the "modern audience" (we're still looking for that one)
>>729322469is she getting her gock (princess wand) sucked sloppy style
>>729330079No, he's arguing that it's a good game and the fact that it's objectively a flop doesn't matter
>>729329892But you literally didn't anon. So why don't you play it and then criticize the premise instead of lying? If you had bothered to play the game you would know everything gets addressed, and it's done over and over and over so low iq people like you can understand.You should try playing the game instead of spending your christmas alone shitposting on 4chan
>>729330219Yikes, even worseThere's plenty of games that were commercial flops that I still like, I can acknowledge both. Elex for example, something just tickles me about that game that I really like but I can't deny that commercially it sucks and the average gamer won't like it
>>729330079>>not even 100k players peak>>almost all online discourse was negative >> the positive discourse is some vague shit about it "redefining the franchise" and "going back to its roots" without being able to point out anything concrete>>Traash>>nobody talking about it can even tell me anything about its lore or plot>>didn't meet sales targets>>panders to the "modern audience" (we're still looking for that one)Do you know what ad populum fallacy means? Every single point you list is literally ad populum fallacy. Are you ok?
>>729327990>Fuck you and the horse you rode in onPost 5 seconds of thrilling dragon age origins gameplay. You people ruined video games for yourselves and got exactly what you deserve. All you do now is just occupy space that should belong to people who actually play video and not gay hamburger helper soap operas. Every horrible thing that happened to /v/ was because of people like you. You are the problem. You are the parasite that's been killing this place all along.
>>729330274>But you literally didn't anonI did. Sorry it's shit and that hurts your feelings.>If you had bothered to play the game you would know everything gets addressedIt doesn't though. Please play the game you're defending
>>729330438>It doesn't though.But it does i even have images showing that.Why are you lying? Are you seriously spending your christmas not only alone but trying to gaslight people in 4chan?Give me your steam username and i'll gift you dragon age 2 so you can actually play videogames for once in your life.
>>729330352Are you fucking high?>the game isn't popular and here's why>ERM THAT'S A FALLACY, CLAIMING THAT IT'S NOT POPULAR IS A FALLACYI'm saying that the game isn't a commercial success and that it's not well-received by gamers, that's not a fallacy you unfathomable cocksucker, that's just the way things are. I'm not saying it was good or bad, I called it a flop>a-ad hominem...Calling you colossal faggot besides my point isn't a fallacy, it's an underline
>>729329494the jig's up farquadnobody gives a shit about your dead series any more
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>>729330438I have literally done everything this game has to offer, bro.
>>729330543So you do not know what ad populum fallacy is. Got it.Bro tip: Saying "X amount of people hated it" or "It wasn't played by Y amount of people" is not a correct argument when defining the quality of something.E33 won GOTY. It has less players than KCD2. Is KCD2 better than Expedition 33 by that metric?You should try finishing high school. I wonder how much it breaks your mind the fact that Cyberpunk 2077 was massively hated and criticized, guess by that metric, the game was bad. Oh wait, then a YouTube said "I'ts good, actually" and now everyone loves it, guess now due to public opinion the game is good!
>>729330704>when defining the quality of somethingI never did, reading isn't your strong suit eh?
>>729319935My theory is that either:>They lose the vision of what made the first game great because the first game is the genius idea stage, and the second is just to keep the ball rolling>The second is a rush job to capitalize on the small window of hype of the first game.
>>729330730Then what are you crying about lmao.
>>729330776I weighed in that it was a flop and you started multi-paragraph "MUH FALLACY"-ing me, now off you to, Reddit's that way and this isn't the place for you
>>729319935I kind of liked the Invisible War, it's passable if you treat it like a cheap Deus Ex knock off from Slovakia. But then again, I haven't played this game in 15 years
>>729319935you missed one
>>729330821So you saw a discussion about how Veilguard being good or bad is not defined by how many people played it, hated it or bought it, and decided to jump into the conversation by going "REEE REEE BUT IT'S BAD BECUASE LOOK AT AMOUNT OF PLAYERS!"? And now you're claiming "N-no i was merely talking about sales even though nobody cared about sales..."How lonely are you that you saw a completly unrelated argument and jumped into it in a desperate attempt to be part of it?You have nobody to talk with?
>>729330889ME1 is absolute garbage and it only got better (in gameplay, not story) with 2 and 3We don't talk about Andromeda though
>>729330634>First game is shit>DLC and a couple mods make it fun>Second game is shit>But there's no DLC or good mods to redeem it
>>729330525>But it does i even have images showing that.It very much doesn't. That's just Carver saying some things. Literally the first time you run into some templars you should've been arrested.>Give me your steam username and i'll gift you dragon age 2 so you can actually play videogames for once in your life.Post a timestamp photo of your DA2 physical copy, cause I'm pretty sure yo didn't play the game
>>729330687>no timestampLol
>>7293309461 is the best in gameplay and story.
>>729330943>being good or badThe funny part is, throughout all of this, you're arguing something subjective. You cannot prove that it is "good", it's entirely arbitrary, so people fall back to things that CAN be proven objectively and then you call that a fallacyYou are, without a shadow of a doubt, the most massive faggot in here and again I would like to as you to fuck off to Reddit where you belong
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>>729330961>Literally the first time you run into some templars you should've been arrested.You mean when the wife of that templar tells him not to arrest you because you saved their lives and he literally dies minutes later?Anon.... why haven't you played the game you're furiously trying to gaslight people about?Is this really how you're spending your christmas? Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
>>729331103>You cannot prove that it is "good", it's entirely arbitrary,Not really. Quality, effort, content, etc. it can all be measured. Dragon Age Inquisition having an MMORPG tier combat with bullet sponge enemies to make the game longer is an objective fact, not subjective. Veilguard not having that and instead the combat being fluid and sped up is an objective fact.Arguing things like the "the story is good/bad" etc is subjective. Talking about art direction being better than Inquisition is an objective truth, the character creator being one of the best ones out there is an objective truth.You're just mad your underage "B-but lots of people hated it so that proves my point" fallacy is not valid. Must kill you that you can't win arguments by shouting "RATIOD!!! RATOPD!! L + LIKES + DIDN'T READ!". Zoom zoom.
>>729331163Still no timestamp, just a seething negro
>>729331193>You mean when the wife of that templar tells him not to arrest you because you saved their lives and he literally dies minutes later?Templars, anon. Plural. Like the ones in the middle of that giant square that are on guard and should recognize you.>Anon.... why haven't you played the game We've established you haven't played the game and are projecting though. Keep up.
>>729332175what the fuck do you need a timestamp for those are clearly snip tools i just took
>>729319935One of the best example I can think of that improves from the original game is Assassins Creed 2What a great game that was
>>729331435>Quality, effort, content, etc. it can all be measuredSo Veilguard is a failure? Gotcha
>>729332378>another copeOkay then
>>729319935Bannerlord isn't that disappointing, no claimants is unfortunate but I don't give a fuck about unique companions.
>>729329254literally everything, writing, characters, press button to awesome, encounter design that's just enemy arenas with no tactical game play, copy pasted areas
>>729333038I mean, it's literally the "we want the call of duty audience" game
>>729332286You got btfod so bad dude.
>>729333038>just enemy arenas with no tactical game play, copy pasted areasBut enough about dragon age origins.
>>729333818you don't know the meaning of words, only a brownoid could say something so ignorant and contrary to reality
>>729319935Bannerlord is good now, thoughbeit
>>729319935>actual fags ITT that like garbage like DA2I can't stop laughing out loud. These are the neanderhalls that thought the Mass Effect dialog wheel was a good idea
>>729330634Why did it have to be like this?!
>>729333758I see you've admitted defeat.It's okay DA2 is bad and literally everyone knows it. There's a reason it sold way less than DAO. Also why Bioware overcorrected so hard with DAI.Shit, they literally fabricated reviews for it. It's that bad
>>729321967Nobody did.
>>729334440You literally lost dude you haven't posted a single image lmao how did you get so btfo?
>>729330774First one is what happened with Dungeon, but instead they got high thinking they're geniuses that can do no wrong as long as they got Wayne June
>>729334559>You literally lost dude you haven't posted a single imageI guess that makes two of usThe difference is that all the other facts remain
