Confirmed in this interview>https://famiboards.com/threads/new-famitsu-interview-with-nintendo-staff-regarding-metroid-prime-4-beyond-its-development-history-origins-its-placement-within-the-timeline-etc.16091/Also sounds like the desert gimmick was decided in the original concept. It sounds like Retro realized it had issues but at that point they had to commit due to how long it took to make
You mean between Other M and Fusion right?
>>729321236>When the project started, perhaps influenced by The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, we saw quite a few online comments saying, “I want to try an open-world Metroid.” However, the core element of “gaining Metroid abilities to expand your range of action” doesn't mesh well with an open world where you can roam freely from the very start. Therefore, we decided to create limited areas of freedom and connect other zones via hubs. We also thought that if players could move smoothly between these areas on the bike, it would serve as a part that eases the tension of exploration, adding pacing to the overall game.GOD FUCKING DAMN ITI FUCKING KNEW IT WAS BECAUSE OF BREATH OF THE FUCKING WILDFUCK YOU
>Development Team: When we conceived the freely navigable hub area (Sol Valley), the issue of movement speed arose simultaneously. Walking across vast areas, even with freedom of movement, can become stressful. While Samus possesses high-speed abilities like the Boost Ball and Speed Booster, we determined that “riding a bike” was the optimal solution to satisfy both the perspective of “moving freely and quickly across large areas” and the perspective of “looking cool.”So you're telling me they did consider the speed booster, a natural extension of Samus' abilities, and decided to say "nah fuck that"
>It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion. However, since Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this game, you won't need to worry about the timeline going forward. We deliberately set it up that way. We wanted to allow for a free and unique setting for Metroid Prime without affecting the 2D Metroid series.Dumb
>>729322147It's fucking retarded because none of its conveyed through the game itself
BotW has been the death of Nintendo
>>729322227The gunship looks nothing like her Super or Pre Fusion ship eitherJust a huge fucking mess.
>>729321779Anyone with a brain and basic pattern recognition knew that was the case, only fanboys argued otherwise.All the more reason people should have been more vocal about BotW's flaws from the outset instead of pretending it was a perfect masterpiece. It's killing Nintendo.
>>729322653switch fanboys will shout you down for having any complaints about nunintendo at all
>>729322360List of Nintendo franchises BotW has killed>Pokemon>Xenoblade >Metroid>Mario KartWho's next? I wanna place my bets on F Zero or Star Fox
>>729321852Why did they call it Sol Valley when it's not even a valley
>The key point we focused on was getting new staff to understand our production philosophy. It took time for them to grasp that we weren't just making a game, but building a player experience, and especially to understand the sense of 間 (pause/space) that is so characteristic of Metroid Prime.So....their goal was to make a game that would allows players to feel the atmosphere of the other Prime gamesAnd they did that...by adding in MCU NPCs???
>>729322653The dev team recognized it was a retarded idea, why they went through with it baffles me.
God fucking damnit I hate BotW, no matter how much anyone hates it, it isn't being hated enough, fucking piece of shit game
I think at this point they should just make Prime 5 with another character than Samus, because if the upgrades in Prime 4 where all that they could come up with, they should just scrap the idea all together. It's the same upgrades from Prime 1 with barely anything new. The puzzles and usage of the upgrades didn't really do anything new either, I would even say that the puzzles were worse than in the previous 3 games.Hell, just make Sylux the main character of Prime 5 so you can come up with completely new upgrades instead of reusing the same shit. The best puzzles usually are related to the morphball, so come up with new stuff for Sylux's kit instead of having bomb, spiderball and boost ball.
So...before it was Metroid>Prime>Hunters>Echoes>Corruption>2>Super>Other M>Fusion>DreadAnd now it's....Metroid>Prime>Hunters>Echoes>Corruption>2>Super>Prime 4 or Other M?????>Fusion>DreadSigh. I don't even care anymore
>>729323438The alt forms in Hunters were cool, I'm sure Nintendo could do some shit with that.
>>729321236>>729322147>after Super, where all the Metroids were erradicated>make a huge stink about the GFeds cloning them off of bits of Samus TWICE>HURR DURR BUT SYLUX HAS THEMnah, this is officially worse than Other M because it's now demonstrated there's ZERO thought put into it
>takes place after Super>Super, where the last Metroid was annihilated>Prime 4 comes along, Metroids are back, what a surprise!>Other M next, holy shit Metroids are back whoah!>Metroid Fusion now, HOLY GODDAMN THE FEDERATION IS MAKING METROIDS>We are expected to believe that Metroids are honest to god extinct by Dread
>>729323549Actually no I'm fucking mad now that I think about it>It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion. However, since Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this game, you won't need to worry about the timeline going forward. We deliberately set it up that way. What the fuck does that even MEANARE WE REALLY ABOUT TO DO A RETARDED TIMELINE SPLIT LIKE ZELDA?
>>729323697Oh for fucks sake, please no. I can already see it happening
It can take place any time it wants because Metroid-skinned FPS trash still isn't Metroid.
>>729322147>>It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion.wait, but there's metroids in this game, wasn't the whole point that they're all dead after super??
>>729323697I think it's just an autistic roundabout way of saying Prime games are as separate from 2D as they've always been
>>729323549I think Other M is set up to take place immediately or almost immediately after Super, since Samus is still reeling a little from THE BABY's death, not to mention surprised at the presence of Metroids on the Bottle Ship. Prime 4 definitely has to be after it.
>Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and spaceI thought the whole gotcha was that it was just a teleporter, because everything pointed to the macguffin being a teleporter. Not a time travel device, just a teleporterDid they even play the same game they shipped
>>729323565>>729323668>>729323802Sylux kidnapped the Metroid baby in Fed Force which is presumably still before Metroid 2 and Super.I think both 2D and Prime devs just generally regret killing all the metroids in 2 when they realized they had more games to make
>McKenzie and friends are still alive in the main timelineYAMEROOOO!
Can someone kill Tanabe already
>>729323940Rumor is he's retiring. We can only hope so because it really sounds like all this game's problems were his own autism and Retro just had to make do
>>729321779Wow, so that blue puppet is to blame since he was the main voice behind the idea of metroid prime 4 being open world.I liked the game and didn't even mind the hub but remove the hub and suddenly the tight level design of MP2/MP1 becomes far more doable.In an ideal world Retro studios convinced Nintendo to let them rip out Sol Valley by reusing it for a Mach Rider game, something where it really would have fit.
>>729321852Obviously, Samus running so fast there's a cloud of plasma around her while shooting flying things was not Zeld- I mean, cool enough.
The timeline goes like this >Other M flashbacks>Zero Mission>Prime 1>Prime 2>Prime 3>Super>Prime 4>Other M>Fusion>DreadAnd then the split after Zero Mission where Samus Dies to Meta Ridley and is replaced by a clone>Other M flashbacks>Zero Mission>Samus Returns>Super Metroid>Prime Hunters>FusionPls understand
Something interesting to note, Bamco's version wasn't scrapped entirely, the basic concepts of it was moved onto RetroSo....yeah we still would've gotten the same shit yet somehow worse because they didn't hire other companies to help until after Retro took overGod Prime 4 was fucked from the start
>>729323995How did he even get to be in charge of this shit when Sakamoto is still breathing
>>729324158you completely forgot metroid 2/samus returns
Basically, this allows them to make as many games as they want without having to worry about fucking with the 2D series because they can just have Samus pop back right at the same time she left, or a few months later or whatever, and continue on into Fusion.
I just beat the lava-snake-metroid boss and Christ Almighty, Armstrong is even bigger chungus than McKinzie. And Douk>PIECE A CAKE! Velvet cake.A wholesome nigga foodie? In my Metroid? Yass please!A whole desert full of nothing and god-awful area transitions are nothing compared to Feds. How do you make something THIS tone-deaf?
>>729324374He's been there since the first game and Sakamoto doesn't give a fuck about Prime. Meta Ridley in Returns was MercurySteam's idea
>>729324427Just wait until you start camping out with Tokabe.That isn't a joke.
>>729324379It's in the second timeline>But for the first oneDoesn't exist anymore *raughs*
> Development Team: In our approach to game design, we often start by setting the theme we want players to experience in that title. Normally, when players clear a game, they press the A button without hesitation, right? But for Metroid Prime 4, we wanted to make them feel hesitation and conflict there. That's why we decided to have Galactic Federation soldiers also be transported to Planet Viewros. With that foundation, we then considered how the soldiers should behave within the game to feel realistic. Rather than examining specific elements one by one—like adding escort missions or engaging casual users—we determined each character's AI and event specifications to evoke the feeling: “If a character is cowardly, they'll be weak in combat, so you have to protect them, right?”What
>>729324504Tokabi is fine though, him and the robot are the chill members
>>729324427Get ready for the worst area in the game (sans the desert). The Marvel mines is the worst area in any Metroid game
>>729321236>metroid continuitywho cares, if there'll ever be another game she'll have lost all weapons either way
>>729323697It means that every Prime game going forward + any Metroid game in general can be said to take place in this another dimension, and that will be the answer for any why, how or who questions.Of course, there's this bold assumption of more Metroid games, but I guess at least for now they feel like making more.
>>729321779>adding pacing to the overall game.kek, and all they accomplished was ruining the pacing of the game by putting an empty void in your path every half hour
>>729324580VUE was pretty great when he started singing, no lie
>>729324746That doesn't even make sense. Samus goes back to the original planet the Federation base was at in the end of the game.
>>729323237>We recognized that completing the game took longer than expected and that players' impressions of open-world games had changed. That said, (at the point we restarted development at Retro Studios) we couldn't consider going back further on a project we'd already reset once. We resolved to see it through based on the original conceptThey decided that early and couldn't go back because all prior trouble with the development so they sticked with the original vision
>>729324561I shoot bat twice.
>>729323237Yeah like >>729324841 says, it sounds like Retro (and maybe even Tanabe?) realized it was a pretty poor idea but it was too late to do anything. If nothing else it basically confirms they won't pull this stunt again next game.
>>729321360Other M is non-canon to the mainline titles because it contradicts established lore that Dread and Prime 4 itself doesn't contradict.>Please use the scroll bar to select the image that is not like the others>All three images are differentam I a robot...
q>When the project started, perhaps influenced by The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, we saw quite a few online comments saying, “I want to try an open-world Metroid.” However, the core element of “gaining Metroid abilities to expand your range of action” doesn't mesh well with an open world where you can roam freely from the very start. Therefore, we decided to create limited areas of freedom and connect other zones via hubs
At no point did they consider adding stuff to the desert? It could have been less bad if there was something to do there instead of only six fucking shrines and a few missile expansions. Like I don't know, maybe add 10 more shrines, add more enemies, add a few roads that make the place seem more inhabited. Just add something in there. It should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain that the thing they shipped was not up to par
>>729325018I wouldn't be surprised if Tanabe wanted the desert to be entirely empty considering it seems deliberately made that way and Retro had to tardwrangle him to at least add some shrines
>>729323697Not a timeline split, a "we don't give a fuck about continuity, so you should stop giving a fuck too" scenario, like what BotW+TotK did to the Zelda Timeline, and what Donkey Kong Bananza did to reassert Mario's classic cartoon approach to storytelling.
>>729325137He was probably spiteful that the original Prime 4 got swept up in devhell and eventually had to restart development because of how severely fucking autistic he is to work with that Bandai Namco said "fuck this, we're out", and decided to ruin Retro Studios' Prime 4 as revenge for BN daring to go against his self-perceived brilliance and seniority.
>>729321779lollmaoBOTW is going to tank this company dood
>Between Super and Fusion....I may have some concerns.
>>729323237Dev teams normally don't make decisions, they just follow orders. Blame Tanabe.
>>729323549I just keep the min and Prime series separated in my mind. Trying to unify them is like unifying Zelda games, a fools errand.
>>729325343At least all bad Metroid games are contained into that time period lmao
Who gives a shit? The game is ass and nobody gives a flying fuck about Metroid Timeline/Extended Universe.
>Kills and splits the Metroid timeline
This is all Fusion's fault btw, literally every bad aspect about Metroid somehow ties back to Fusion being created
None of these examples in the interview are something a real, breathing, functioning human ever said or thought. I refuse to believe they pandered to a crowd that genuinely does not exist.
>>729325657Maybe they were listening to those dumbass Japs on 2ch. They geoblocked
>>729325753like /v/ wouldnt freak out if they met samus in person too
>>729321852you guys needs to understand that even Retro's old guard can only copy 3D zelda. Doom became what FPS Metroid was supposed to be
>>729325842I don't want to be a samus fangirl, I want to be samus
/v/ is extra salty today, just ignore the fucking game and keep playing super metroid.
>>729325753>spills her spaghetti in front of her waifushe's just like me....
>>729325889YWNBABH
>>729321779perhaps
>>729321779>influenced by The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
I don't care where it goes on the timeline since Metroid is now a dead franchise and I will never play Prime 4 anyway. I use my time on better games.
>>729322147New trilogy confirmed
>>729322612it looks like the fusion ship
>>729326014No shit. We just learned a week or so ago that Prime 5 was in parallel development with Prime 4 so as to fast track it's release.
Is this a shitty open world where everything is barren or is it actually worth it?
>>729324374Sakamoto has fucked up just as much as Tanabe
>>729322920Don't forget Animal Crossing with>Breakable tools
>>729326086Does it? Are you sure?
>Due to his self-righteous and narrow-minded nature, Sylux came to resent Samus and the Galactic Federation. The suit design, while based on the original colors and design, was redesigned by Retro Studios' artists. In terms of lore, we established that the Galactic Federation modified the suit using nanotechnology. I believe it resulted in a more refined and stylish design.I honestly think any time the answer to the question of "why is their armor/machine like that" from the devs is nanomachines it immediately tells you how fucking uncreative and/or lazy they were.
>>729321236>flops and gets forgotten after 2 weeks
So Prime 4 was just Retro cleaning up table scraps of Tanabe's failed ideas in the original verison? Hopefully if Prime 5 exists we get to see them make something good from the ground up
>>729326117It's a desert. What do you think?
>>729325896Literally what I did to get the bad taste of MP4 out of my mind.
>>729326210its been more then 2 weeks and yet here are
I thought it would have been cool if they used the psychic concept to have there be an evil psionic monster that either woke up, was attracted to Viewros, or was accidentally created by the Lamorn, and it just wrecked their civilization and turned them into Grievers. Then Samus had to deal with this thing emerging again and occasionally attacking her through a psychic connection, and at some point forging a Psycho Ridley out of her memories. The whole psychic aspect was really underutilized imo.
>>729326086even if that were true, it doesn't make any sense. samus gets the fusion ship during the intro of fusion, which is when her super ship gets destroyed.
>>729321779you needed nintendo to confirm that for you?
>>729326263I played Super Junkoid DX instead.
>>729326117Worse.The open world is the least offensive part because it's just a tiny hub that acts as a backdrop for the story. The stuff that should be good, I.E. the levels, aliens, bosses, etc... are all fucking terrible.
>>729326307What I want to know is why she even takes the Fusion ship. Hell, why does she keep it after Fusion? It's not her ship, Fusion outright states this. She's known to own at least three different gunships. One is destroyed in Fusion's intro. Why doesn't she just take the Prime 1 or Prime 3 gunship to BSL?
>>729326163Ugh don't remind me with the shitty crafting tooOpen World and Crafting are the two biggest red flags for a game now
Is this the worst dungeon/level in video gabe history?
>>729326297Slapping the word psychic in front of almost all upgrades made it seem so retarded. The little use that there was for the psychic powers was boring that I don't know why they even added that stuff in to the game. They could have added Grievers using psychic powers at the very least, like how incompetent can the developers be? Would have at least added some enemy variety to the game instead of just grievers, more grievers and a few robots
>>729326438>you can't use missiles in this area. npcs even give you shit for using missiles.>here's a blockade that can only be destroyed by missiles
>>729326438No because it isn't actively painful to do.
Prime 4 has one of the best endings of any game.
>>729326438It's the worst Metroid level for sure. A bunch of enemy gauntlet corridors with quipping NPCs sacrificing themselves one after another, then everyone survives anyway only to be killed during the final boss.>>729326525It's so fucking dumb to give you super missiles and then immediately incentivize you not to use them. Another dumb thing was to give power bombs almost immediately after that you don't really need to use at all during any part of the game
>>729326258deserts in games 15 years ago btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8LanT_F5ag
>>729326523At least there was actually some in-universe justification for the Lamorn having some of those ablities.Although, to be fair, it all came down to "maintenance tanks use these things"Maintenance tanks use Spider Ball tracks. Maintenance tanks use grapple points. Maintenance tanks use boost ball stuff. Samus is basically upgrading herself into a Maintenance Tank.
>>729326673Power Bombs in Prime 4 are the same as Power Bombs in Zero Mission. They exist only to grant access to more Power Bomb expansions.
>>729326529It was for me.>Entire dungeon is a glorified cinematic>Federation niggas you've known for a combined total of seven minutes are present and act like you're a battle-hardened squad who have been on tour for months/years>They all make heroic sacrifices for no reason and don't even really die>Boss is just another generic alien, but biggerer and fastererLegitimately wanted to kill myself while playing this shit.
BOTW killed Nintendo
>>729326757I thought the last boss of it was fine, but I was so fucking checked out before getting there that it made the whole thing worse.
>>729322920>PokemonThat was killed long before BotW came out. It's been dogshit since X/Y dropped in 2013, 4 years before BotW. >Xenoblade???>MetroidMetroid isn't dead, Dread and Prime are still the best selling games in the franchise and are 2 of the 3 most recent Metroid releases. It's just Prime 4 that was shit, and not (solely) because of the desert. >Mario KartI'm inclined to agree, but only because Nintendo is dead set on MAKING YOU play the highway tracks. It would be an amazing game if you could just play the real courses.
>>729326804Iwata killed Nintendo
>>729326756Dread as well
>>729326842other way around, it was his punishment for wii u and the disasterous E3 2015
Sol Valley is harmless when compared to the real travesty behind Prime 4: the linearity. Every single area is linear as shit and you are guided through them like a retarded child instead of being let loose to explore on your own.That's the same issue that killed the OoT formula. People are tired of linearity
>>729326804>OoT killed NintendoTendies have been asleep for so fucking long they forgot just how many times they've tried making their other IP's into Zelda. Even died trying to be turned into Zelda.
>>729326842I BELIEVE THE MORNING LIGHT
>>729327008star fox could have survived adventures as a spinoff, assault and command being shit killed it as a franchise
>>729326117Traversing the desert isn't bad. The bike goes fast and is fun to use. What's worse is how they handled items in the desert. At the start you have a couple of things you can collect straight away. On the most likely route you'll take after getting the bike, there's a missile expansion you can get by boosting up a ramp. Other than that, items are scattered around various locations and in shrines, however, for the vast majority of these locations, you need a certain upgrade to get to them. And other than the elemental door locks, there's nothing on the pretty big map indicating what you need for any of these areas and you'll probably just forget where it was you needed the lasso or the grapple or the spider ball by the time you get it, unless you write it down. For me, this led to just not giving a fuck about any of the items there until the end of the game where I had all the upgrades and had to scrounge the desert for mech parts anyway.
>>729327008to be fair star fox adventures was not a star fox game at first, it would've been rare ripping off zelda
>>729327072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBbRJoHTJAM
>>729323549Metroid > prime1, hunters, 2 & 3 >metroid 2 > super metroid, > other M(probably not Canon anymore) > prime 4 > fusion > dreadHopefully the do make a prime 5 and 6 and give Ridley a proper final showdown instead of just "he died in super".
>>729326962Nintendo gradually became worse during his tenure. Nothing improved except sales, and even that waivered under certain cirumstances.He was a cancer to video games. Still not sure why people hype him up, he never designed or created anything. He was a nice guy who wanted his employees to be comfortable and never challenge themselves. That's it.
>>729327387The Wii U era had the highest concentration of great games in Nintendo's history. To this day, a full 20% of the best Nintendo games ever made were on the Wii U.
>>729326523Letting the Grievers retain psychic abilities, and having them be capable of telepathy, would go a long way towards establishing them as a threat. As they turned out, they are literally just wild animals. Grievers are chilling inside the Lamorn temple where Myles is a couple rooms away and it's just not a big deal.>>729326715I liked how the spinners, spider ball tracks, morph ball tunnels and bomb slots were actually used in-universe. Even the Viola bike spinners being required to enter certain places make sense, because apparently the Lamorn were so hyped about these bikes they built three gigantic towers solely to mass-produce Viola bikes for everybody.
>>729327083>star fox could have survived adventures as a spinoffLiterally the same formula as Zelda, almost a meme parody but taken seriously and actually produced by the creator of Zelda himself. Does that still classify it as a "clone"?>>729327153>it would've been rare ripping off zeldaThat's why it's so hilarious. It's literally Miyamoto gawking at them and their Zelda clone and he started getting nervous about it so he got involved and got them to merge their other IP into it.And it still fucking killed it lol. They threw everything they had to turn starfox into Zelda, the only thing that has surpassed it now is Prime 4. 10 years and an abandoned Bamco product just to put out that. It's literally DP tier, I bet Bamcos blew this shit out of the water.
>>729327387You're kidding if you don't think the DS and Wii were challenges and risks taken. Both easily could've flopped but they managed to do better than the GameCube where they were just focused on being the most powerful.I'm not saying he's perfect and there were many stinkers during his run, but the guy clearly loved games and helped out with some where he could. I prefer that to the pure business men who came after
>>729327387>never designed or created anythingPeople will just say shit like this
>>729321236>Development Team: It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion. However, since Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this game, you won't need to worry about the timeline going forward. We deliberately set it up that way. We wanted to allow for a free and unique setting for Metroid Prime without affecting the 2D Metroid series.PRIME SERIES IS NO LONGER CANON! PRIME SERIES IS NO LONGER CANON! PRIME SERIES IS NO LONGER CANON!OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>729323697It means the Prime series is no longer canon to the main series so now the main series doesn't have to be negativity affected by its stank. Samus Returns happens a year after Zero Mission in 20X6, Super Metroid shortly a year after that in 20X7. Nintendo finally stopped fucking around and told the truth that the Prime series was never really canon like that manga.
>>729327726When did the 2D series ever get affected by Prime in the first place? Proteus Ridley is literally the one and only time
What's the point of mechanical upgrades like the Grapple/Lasso if you can't use them freely during gameplay? I'm sorry but after playing shit like Monster Hunter, Dragon's Dogma, Far Cry, and even Breath of the Wild, this idea of having equipment have no function outside of a handful of specific areas that handhold you in their direction of your use of it is pathetic.I want to grapple large enemies (if there really were any) and gay bowser them. Let me lasso those fucking anti-griever wheels in the desert. Let me use the tech to interact with the fucking environment, DAMN.
>>729327708Name one (1) thing.
>>729327387>Nintendo gradually became worse during his tenure. Nothing improved except salesbut enough about furukawa
>>729327783if you shock turrets you can grapple them
>>729324158Timeline was issued three times by the main series team, back in 2010, 2017, and in 2021>Metroid Zero Mission>Metroid Samus Returns>Super Metroid>Metroid Other M>Metroid Fusion>Metroid DreadPrime series is its own separate canon and has been for many years. It just took until Tanabe said it himself despite Sakamoto saying it years prior. It's not that hard to grasp.
>>729327783Games are too afraid to add grappling but will insert shit like parrying or soulslike dodgerolling
>>729327631The DS and Wii is literally just Hiroshi coming back to bail Iwata's ass out. Had he not also brought Reggie along their "marketing" would have failed even harder than WiiU. Even after stepping down as CEO he was still the driving school passenger with a brake just in case.>>729327848He almost killed Wii trying to turn it into a boomer health device. Fortunately and ironically he died before he did the same to switch
>>729327113The desert lacks any landmarks that would leave an impression to you so you knew that you could return to that specific place when you got an ugprade. Like I can't remember really any parts of it other than the main areas.
>>729327765Proteus Ridley is just Ridley using parts from Mecha Ridley from Zero Mission.
>>729327914Both are considered canon because of the way it's set up with Tanebe and Sakamoto competing with each other on who can mimic Kojima the best (Sakamoto is winning).
I don't know why people pretend the desert is what killed Metroid Prime 4. Everything about the game was ass>There is no cohesive world design because all of the areas are just loosely connected to the main hub area like Hyrule in Ocarina of Time>The combat didn't feel good in the slightest>You can't rapid fire missiles>There is no exploration. Everything is on rails from the moment you boot up the game>The NPCs are horrendously annoying and do not fit the tone and tenor of a Metroid game>The areas are just a retread of the ones you'd find in Prime 1/2>None of the new power ups are interesting at all>Getting a new suit doesn't feel like an achievement in the slightest. You don't even get a new ability until the final suit gives you invincibility>Upgrades just feel like Simon Says tools for unlocking locked doors and don't actually offer any utility otherwise. The only power ups with any general usage are the damage upgrade you get, the boost ball, and the double jump.>Beam ammo makes a come back>None of the bosses are well designed or interesting aside from the 2 Sylux Psy-robot fights>Story doesn't make any sense. Sylux is barely involved, but comes out of nowhere just to attack Samus in Flare Pool before giving up and running away>Nothing is ever explained well>The Lamorn dying off is just a story about Environmentalism rather than anything deep or interesting like the fate of the Chozo or the LuminothEverything about the game was amateurish at best. The exploration, the combat, the traversal, the story, the visual design, the sound design, the music, the level design, the world design...Sol Valley is only 1 of 300 problems with the game. Blaming BotW for killing Metroid Prime 4 is retarded. Even if you removed Sol Valley, the game would still be completely repugnant to the tastes of any fan.
This thread could have been interesting, but it's just chatgpt outrage farming instead...sigh.
This is my first 'actual' Metroid other than the orignal NES title. First Prime game. Im enjoying it but I dont know if that just cuz I havent playes the other 3.Do you recommend them all? Which 2D ones should I play or avoid.
>>729327862I noticed that eventually. Unfortunately, there's also the predicament of just walking by them, which is sort of an overarching issue with the game; nothing really seems like it wants to, or even can kill you. Just walk past anything and everything lmao.I say this because the only time that I recall you'll ever pass by a turret after receiving the lasso is backtracking. So you've already seen the level, scanned everything, sightseen. What's the motivation to not just walk by the bitches?You'd think with all the backtracking they would've put more into changing up the levels. Like you go back to Volt Forge for the nth time and a tower has collapsed and its almost an entirely different level with new enemies. I don't know. Fucking SOMETHING. Said it before, I'll say it again: it feels like a game nobody wanted to make. Not sure why Nintendo wanted it to be made.
>>729325137> Zelda gives you shrines, loot, and other stuff for exploration in the desert. Metroid LOOK AT THE GREEN CRYSTALS!!!
>>729328202Because I fell sleep on the desert, the rest is fine gameplay wise
>>729328167This is cope, Sakamoto games make no mention of Tanabe's games and it all falls apart due to Space Pirates and Metroids still existing after Super and Samus having a completely different personality. They're separate canons, only way it makes a lick of sense.
>>729328202>Story doesn't make any sense. Sylux is barely involved, but comes out of nowhere just to attack Samus in Flare Pool before giving up and running awayThis part felt so retarded, Sylux (or robot Sylux, who the fuck knows at this point) comes to grief you first with lowering the bridge,then with a fighter and then just fucks off when you shoot him down
>>729328272No, it's not fine. Remove Sol Valley and staple all the areas together with a Temple similar to Metroid Prime 2's and the game would still be a 4/10. There's nothing even passable about the game. It's just bad. There is nothing you can salvage from it.
>>729328202>Story doesn't make any sense. Sylux is barely involved, but comes out of nowhere just to attack Samus in Flare Pool before giving up and running awaySylux is responsible for 90% of the game. He controls all the robots including the robot decoys that fight Samus. The only thing he had no involvement with are the Grievers.
>>729328383He had no involvement with anything in Fury Green, the ice area, and The Great Mines. It's really just Volt Forge and Flare Pool where he fucks with Samus.He was not integrated naturally into the story. He's just a nuisance in 2 areas of the game before he becomes the best character in the game by killing Myles and Armstrong.
>>729328202What killed the game is a combination of all those facts and in general the zeitgeist of modern Nintendo games being applied to what was thought of as a return to roots type fps metroid game. They basically want to set up metroid universe marvel shit for more potential media to follow. They might take a stab and a movie i nthe future and having a silent protagonist makes it almost impossible so more characters and dialogue from "Remembuh me's" have to be added. 10 years to trash a reputable game companies product only to put out a blatantly watered down one untrue to what you yourselves already put out in the past. It's an incomprehensible red flag tuype of feel that cannot be explained to the average disney adult who simply picked up the series 6 months ago from the free advertising of nintendo drones and are pretending it's the greatest shit ever.
>>729328202>Getting a new suit doesn't feel like an achievement in the slightest. You don't even get a new ability until the final suit gives you invincibilityGoing back to Volt Forge and just activating a spinner you already knew about to get the heat protection upgrade was wild. There was nothing that had changed.And yeah, Sylux just feels like he got jury-rigged into this story. Which is a shame, because he's cool and his fights are great.
>>729321236>Development Team: It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion. However, since Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this game, you won't need to worry about the timeline going forward. We deliberately set it up that way. We wanted to allow for a free and unique setting for Metroid Prime without affecting the 2D Metroid series.giving her the prime 3 gunship after super is already messing with the 2D series but I'll let this one slip because obviously the 343 devs never played a metroid game given how prime 4 was made.I'll just revel in the fact that Sylux has been stalking Samus for years, if not decades, between the prime series and a whole truckload of unnamed missions that built Samus's fame, stalked her through Metroid 2, and then Super and only THEN he attacked.That man is married to his job.
> No more DK games by RetroHow would you feel about this?
>>729328591The bike hover upgrade was so stupid in the first place. You use it only at that very specific place and nowhere else (I count the mech part as the same area). It would have made more sense to use the ice shot to freeze the lava and get over the bridge that way, but nope, you need to upgrade your bike to hover over lava
>>729322227Really? Metroids being evil mastermind mind controlling face huggers didn't tip you off that the game doesn't actually happen in the canon metroid universe?
>>729328714I think they did fine with the overall games but the Tikis fucking sucked even the show animals were mid.
>>729328714DKR sucked but so did Prime 4. Net neutral announcement
>>729321236Reminder that this piece of shit game is likely the last metroid game that OG metroid fans will play in their lives.Press LOL to laugh at them for making excuses for the low quality of dread and prime 4.
>>729328714Good. Retro's DK games were genuinely awful.
>>729328805Meanwhile Tropical Freeze is the single greatest 2D (and 3D!) platformer of all time.
>>729328714Good, Bananza makes their games look like complete shit.
Wasn't a big fan of the way prime 3 treated and resolved phazon.Prime 1>Phazon is this mysterious eldritch force the ancient chozo could only contain at the cost of thier livesPrime 3>50 years ago a phazon leviathan hit tallon and fucked up the chozo. >Feds found phazon tanks on aether and incorporated it into thier weaponry.>phazon comes from planet phaazeKilling dark samus and the aurora unit on phaaze causes phaaze to explode and phazon to stop existing everywhere somehow.>Also Ing was phazon, even though that makes no sense
>>729328714Retro clearly never wanted to make DK so this is fine with me.
Cant start on Hard mode and the games a fucking cakewalk on normal. What the helll gives
>>729321236dudewhat if metroid had a bike?lmao
>mfw i went back to lava pool to try and use ice shot
>>729328714Hahahahaha
>>729328714Bad since Returns and TF are some of my favorite platfomers and this probably means DKC is dead again.
>>729329014Beat the game
>>729329053Same, I thought it was the logical thing to do
>>729329005Retro obviously wanted to make DK. They could've made something for any other Nintendo IP if they wanted to, but they asked to make Returns.
>>729326523yeah, aside from the psychic charge shot is there a single psychic power that's actually justified? Also can we talk about how Samus is once again "the chosen one destined to save our planet foretold in prophecy". Like at this point i'm starting to wonder if "Chosen One" is a mistranslation of "Chozo One" with how often it gets applied to Samus by dying or dead alien races.
>>729326841>It's been dogshit since X/Y dropped in 2013XY was better than gen 5
>>729329053But anon, you forgot to take an unnecessary detour to Volt Forge to get your heat resistance first. >>729329242Worst post in this thread bar NONE.
>>729326312Yes, because fanboys were insisting that "uhhhhhh no it's influenced by OoT and TP :^) ".
Did they ever explain what "Vi-O-La" stood for? I scanned everything in the factory and couldn't find anything that makes the acronym make sense, surely i just missed it right?
>>729329242XY was a real pokemon game that realized the success of a pokemon game is having a fuck ton of pokemon and multiplayer integration.That's why XY, SWSH, and SV sold.
>>729328897Wtf?
>>729328984I like how Sylux's phase progression is the opposite of Dark Samus in Prime 3. He starts as the big gay thing that's not that fun to fight, and after that he becomes the kino mirror boss.
>retro had to work with what was effectively a dismembered corpse and not a fresh reset like nintendo said when development "restarted"that explains a lot actually.
>>729321236this is frustrating to readpretty much confirms a lot of things people were saying regarding speculation on why the game ended up the way it did.this is a huge bummer desuseems like developing a Metroid Prime game for the HD era, something with cutting edge graphics that also maintains all the quality and features of gameplay from the Gamecube/Wii games, just isn't feasible when it comes to time and budget. But Nintendo is also a bit too attentive to the whims of the internet. Open World Metroid is a bad idea. I don't care if higher ups at Nintendo thought this was a good idea because of Breath of the WIld's success, or if devs from Retro Studios were saying it was a good idea (per the interviews with Prime 3 devs sourced by Did You Know Gaming), or if the majority of Nintendo customers are saying it: any Metroid fan worth his salt could tell you the "Open World" formula just doesn't work with the tradition of a Metroid game. You could hypothetically break with tradition and make a good Open World Metroid game, but then I don't think it should be called a Metroid Prime game, and try to live up to the legacy of the Prime trilogy on top of trying to do a good Open World experience. Basically, the open world design idea was a bad idea from the start, and it sounds like they stuck with it for at least 8 years of development. This is all incredibly frustrating to witness. I hope Nintendo and Retro can learn from this and turn this situation into success.
>>729321236>Set after Super>Space pirates are still around even after Ridley and Motherbrain are permadead>Prime 2/3 Varia and Prime 3 gunshipI feel like the timeline change was last minute
>>729329274gen 5 was steaming dogshit. Sorry you’re a seething zoomer.
>>729323237I feel like even late in development they could have isolated it and touched it up to release as DLC down the line instead.
>>729329236In the other games there was more justification. Samus had a connection to the Chozo in Prime 1. With the Luminoth it's because of the situation itself. In Prime 4 it's just arbitrary.
>>729323410I like the game, but it really has had a disastrous effect on Nintendo.
>>729326427Because Adam is part of its system, and he's her helper buddy.
>>729323668>name sake of series>extinct
>>729329014Not like it wouldn't be a cakewalk on hard, but the real answer is so a 12 hour game is actually 20.And that's generous. I 100%'d it in 12, and I really took my time up until the Great Mines, where I started speedrunning out of boredom. I was reading every scan, every logbook, I didn't even use the base camp fast travel the first few times I went back to Fury Green.Daily reminder Metroid Prime had two years of development, from scratch. Metroid Prime 4 had 5-6, and presumably had concepts/resources to pull from the scrapped Bamco production, not to mention it's a third sequel with the entire franchise and three direct predecessors to pull ideas and mechanics from.FIVE TO SIX FUCKING YEARS, AND THIS IS WHAT THESE NIGGAS PRODUCED. THIS IS WHAT MEETS "NINTENDO'S STANDARDS".
>>729328301Sakamoto's games can't even stay canon with themselves, unless you think Samus would cry and depower herself after seeing ridley come back from the dead, despite that not happening to her the last time she saw ridley come back from the dead in Super... or the fact that her fainting doesn't even make her suit disappear in Fusion. Oh and did we talk about how the lab in fusion is literally just the bottle ship again, because you just know the Feds would recreate THAT since it was such a "huge success".
>>729328935I didn't like Bananza for various reasons
>>729323668Aren't the ones in Beyond Mochtroids, which are inferior pathetic attempts to create Metroids?
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for Prime 5 because it sounds like even Tanabe realized the desert was a retarded idea but it was too late to back out
I just got the legacy suit and this thing is kinda dumb. When you got the Phazon Suit and Light Suit in Prime 1 and 2, you definitely felt more powerful but this is just some ability you can use. I don’t like it.
What's the point of putting so much care and attention into Fury Green if they area is about 30 minutes long?
>>729329574Yeah I don't know what the fuck they did during those six years. Hearing that they had something to built upon already, what the fuck did they spend all that time on seeing how shit the end product turned out? Someone planned the map layout and upgrades, then just concluded that "this looks good enough". And I'm certain they had more money and more people working on the game than with Prime 2.
>>729327726Why do you people lose your shit so badly over the Prime games?
>>729329236What if the "chosen one" message was more like a general broadcast from the artifact that was sent to anyone deemed strong enough to fulfill the role, and Sylux heard the same thing. Which would be why he apparently just beelines to the Chrono Tower immediately and managed to take control of the whole thing, then camps the teleporter until Samus shows up. Because damn, Sylux learns of a whole lot of things on Viewros really fucking fast.And that still doesn't explain how he managed to use his metroid fusion on all of the teleporter key bosses.
>>729329452yeah, Prime 4's plot at the start looks like a really really bad copy of Prime 2s. I remember laughing when the game was like "you need to go get these 5 temple keys, because going to the temple we already built will magically fix everything... why didn't we use it ourselves you ask? uhhh... it had to be the chozo one or it won't work!"
Just reboot it, start fresh. Clearly the games lore and timeline is haphazardly put together, give it a second pass.
>>729321779Literal definitive proof that all the faggots online regurgitating "X should go open world!" are killing games.
>>729329657Prime is shit and discarded, deal with it.
Now i'm even more curious to see just what namco was cooking originally before nintendo pulled the plug.
>>729329298I think it's just because of purple. Viola is the genus terminology for Violets, and Violets are... violet (purple).
To the anons I was arguing with who were convinced this game takes place after Super, I formally apologize
>>729328301The true cope is that it's really like OoT where it has a split Tanebe/Sakamoto timeline, but no everything is cannon. As cannon as the stories from their other games even.>>729329919Nintendo never even officially mentioned who was actually making it lol. You're not even gonna see shit in another Gigaleak.
>>729329960so then why the weird hyphenation in the name? Just call it a "Viola model bike" or something. they seemed like they were obsessed with the name from the start and forgot to go back and justify it.
>>729329078They already said they were gonna make 2d dk games with 3d ones.
>>729325583>Chadlux the Incel
>>729329827seems unlikely since there's multiple instances of them leaving specific suit upgrades because "the chosen one will need this to exit this room".
>>729325753https://files.catbox.moe/ufglk8.png
>>729328202>I don't know why people pretend the desert is what killed Metroid Prime 4. >>There is no cohesive world design because all of the areas are just loosely connected to the main hub area like Hyrule in Ocarina of TimeLooks like you answered your own question
>>729330032The justification is so it doesn't seem lazy, and more alien.Which is kind of funny because then all the levels are all basic, two word, three syllable descriptions of their biome.
>>729326190NTA but he means the intro ship before it blows up
>>729330094>Remember to leave the weapon chips around the locations so the chosen one can return them to Miles McKenzie who will then install them onto the chosen one's weapon. It's what the prophecy foretold
>>729324427>PIECE A CAKE! Velvet cakesoul
I think Retro should be given another chance, nobody wanted to really make Prime 4 but they came too far to back out.Prime 5 should be a real prime 4.
>>729324771Sol Valley is excellently paced though, tard.
>>729330267hey now that's not true! Volt Forge, Cold Belt, Flare Pool, those are all TWO SYLLABLES!
>>729330043But I don't want Nintendo to make it internally. Bananza is fine as its own thing but doesn't look, sound or feel like DKC.
>>729325885an ID Tech Metroid would go hard
>>729327491>The Wii U era had the highest concentration of great games in Nintendo's historyFuck no. This is coming from someone who had a WiiU. it had some good games, but 80% of it were fucking shit.
>>729330331They need to chuck out the Federation clowns, make Sylux a jobber, and make a new alien threat
>>729322653>All the more reason people should have been more vocal about BotW's flaws from the outset instead of pretending it was a perfect masterpiece. It's killing Nintendo.I tried to be when it was new(ish, my real complaints started with the DLC). But everyone was high on ZOMG NINTENDO IS BACK and consolewars for years, and would shout down criticism in autistic organized counter-crusades. "Criticism embargos" are one of the worst things fanboys (for any media, not just Nintendo) have brought to the internet.But hey le snoys were heckin owned with the sales and awards, soooooo worth it guys.
>>729330308not even the worst example. >hey boss we're all dying here, should we spend these resources on one more experiment to try and save our race>fuck no, we need to set up a psychic lasso puzzle for the chosen one who will come after we're all dead and read our diaries>wait she's gonna read our diaries!? better delete anything other than the most bland explanation of what happened here then. wouldn't want her to see any fun stories like the time tim got stuck in the maintenance tunnels.
>>729326297Stranger Things/Mother style
>>729330398I mean, new 2d Mario isn't like new 3D mario's.
>>729330267It's fucking weird because in the cannon facility, one of the screens you can scan gives you the volcano's actual name.
>>729328238If you like Prime 4 you will probably like the other Metroid Prime games. As a fan, I don't want to say anything leading, but I can't help but say the original Prime trilogy are much better games. For 2D, Super Metroid is both the best 2D game and the best game in the series, either 2D or 3D.Metroid II on the gameboy is pretty good (although honestly I'd recommend using some guides if you're approaching it casually - doesn't hurt to look up a map, which became standard features of the series anyway). It was remade as a 3DS title that people liked but thought was bland. Metroid Dread is maybe, possibly, the second best 2D title after Super Metroid. A much faster game focused on action combat, and with some flaws in the way it's structured, but a generally worthy Metroid game. Metroid Fusion is a very solid game, good action, great sprite work. Would recommend either starting with Super Metroid or the Metroid Prime games. Prime Trilogy should be played in order, but for the 2D games, besides starting with Super, I'd say play whichever looks most interesting to you.
>>729327113There's more they could have done with the bike. The game just feels too safe.
>>729330396Is it actually called Flare Pool? I thought it was Lava Pool, because the other one is just Ice Belt. That's even funnier, because Lava would be three, but no it's just two.Wait, are there any even with three? Fury Green, I guess.Does Chrono Tower count?
>>729328202The worst part is people playing it and going "MAN THIS MIGHT BE AS GOOD AS PRIME 1!"
>>729330759Sol Valley has 3.
>>729327783>after playing shit like Breath of the Wild, this idea of having equipment have no function outside of a handful of specific areas that handhold you in their direction of your use of it is pathetic.This is my one gripe with the game. It feels too straightforward, and I've been spoiled by Botw & Totk. I wanted physics play. I wanted a sandbox. That was what I meant by wanting open world Metroid, and I felt that much was obvious. I just don't get after those revolutionary games why we are still doing this static linear gameplay loop anymore, ditch it, get rid of it, bury it.
So I'm not sure if I get this, is the reason it came out so half baked because of Bamco fucking things up and Retro basically having no frame of reference except for the shit they did?
breath of the DEIld strikes again!
>>729328070You can place down icons and markers. You can see the main areas on the horizon. It's really all that's needed in terms of visual landmarks. The dunes are meant to hide things, and be reminiscent of the similar looking hallways of Metroid 1.
>>729321236LOL
Does anybody know what happened to Viewros? The lore dumps act like it went to aids or something but it looks fine. I mean there are different climates within the studio apartment-sized world, but other than that, what's the big deal? What do the Lamorn even eat? What climate are they suited for? What was their tax policy?
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>>729328984>Also Ing was phazon, even though that makes no senseA meteor from Phaaze hit Aether as well. That's literally how Dark Aether came into existence.
>>729328241>Said it before, I'll say it again: it feels like a game nobody wanted to make. Not sure why Nintendo wanted it to be made.My guess is a sense of obligation because of the ending tease of Metroid Prime 3 (even though I don't think fans were dying to know what happened with that compelling sylux tease.)https://youtu.be/K9JAf_WwTE8?si=9qEvNYQYFJfsEu1T&t=88plus, a sense that they could cash in on BOTW's success with a Metroid title in the same veinSo just a sense of obligation all around
>>729330867>the company that greenlit Other M trashed a Bamco product because of poor quality reasons and then proceeded to use the content anyway only to ultimately put out a worse adventure game.
>>729330512They should lean more into Sylux being a dark mirror of Samus. Like if there's an Emperor Ing-type final boss you beat, it drops an item that just looks evil and Sylux comes in and snags it to become the actual final boss.I think they were going for something like this in Beyond, but as with everything else concerning Sylux it's not communicated in any way.
>>729330865I too want a 3D open world Metroid, but after this I'm pretty sure that using Prime's controls just won't work with they way Samus controls. Traversing massive maps would be miserable as Samus and I feel like Prime's controls just don't lend much for interacting with dynamic environments and creative solutions. Or just make an open ended Metroid game like Super where you have multiple ways to progress. The shit they pulled in Prime 4 with "You can choose which area to tackle next" bullshit honestly should get someone at Retro fired
>>729327491Dude, I owned a Wii U, and each Nintendo Direct felt like we were getting cucked out in favor of 3ds users (I owned a 3ds, but still)
>>729331006Viewros is fine, the Lamorn just got "I am legend"d by the Grievers.
Really not a good look for Nintendo to throw a studio that they JUST fucking bought under the bus.
>>729329242I agree I liked XY after last playing Crystal. It was Moon that bucked me off that franchise, and now the only thing I like to revisit is Lets Go Pikachu.
>>729329783To entice you to buy the game, by making you think the trailers and demo which showed off this beautiful area were representative of the entire game.
>>729331234how is nintendo throwing them under the bus? the devs themselves said this shit.
>>729329424>Open World Metroid is a bad idea.It can work but Nintendo needs to hand their second party developers their Zelda engine with the framework for physics already in place. Devs should not have to reinvent that wheel everytime.
>>729328984So phazon is a living biological radioactive material and from what I understand phaze/metroid prime/auroira units are the collective conscious/source of that. Also it's explained that dark aether is an inter dimensional anomaly caused by the impact and energy of phazon but the solar energy of aether is split between the two worlds which is why the ing were trying to just take all of it and why when it's all gone it just fades into non existence.
>>729324841EVERYONE THAT DEFENDING THAT FUCKING OPEN WORLD SHOULD KILL THEMSELVESDEVS THEMSELVES OUTRIGHT SAID THE ONLY REASON THEY DID IT WAS BECAUSE THE OLD DEV TEAM STARTED WITH AND THEY COULDN'T GET RID OF AND THEY KNOW PEOPLE DON'T WANT AN OPEN WORLD.
>>729329827>What if the "chosen one" message was more like a general broadcast from the artifact that was sent to anyoneI just dont get why people generally misunderstand chosen one trope. There's a difference between destiny and fate. Samus is the one whose suit can interface with Lamorn tech. Right person, right place, right time.
>>729330867I think that would be a pretty big stretch, considering the amount of time Retro had from when the project was rebooted and entered full production.I think the honest answer is the people who worked on Prime, or even Prime 3, have long since moved on, and the only real person remaining is a largely detached, Japanese producer who has either mellowed with age or never had much to do with the series originally, beyond making business trips from Tokyo to Texas.It might say Retro, but it ain't, is the overarching point. And Nintendo themselves haven't had any real standards for the bulk of this century. A whole lot of people who don't like or probably even play video games, working on a game that was being produced not because somebody had a good idea that fit the established concept or was inspired by it, but because it's a valuable IP that was experiencing a manufactured milki- I mean a resurgence.What could go wrong, yeah?
>>729329919the desert is what namco was cooking
>>729331094Just bring back the bike for overworld travel, and bring back the speedbooster for dungeon traversal. The walljump.
>>729331234Eh... having followed the original Prime trilogy, Retro Studio's output, and now Prime 4, I am inclined to believe there is some animosity between Retro and Nintendo, and I think Retro might deserve it a bit. Especially if current Retro really is made up of almost none of the original employees and a bunch of ex 343i devs at that. This game has a certain 343i stink to it.
>>729322920You can't kill Star Fox anymore than it already is, ironically going open world might actually revive that one, it killed Zelda tho.
>>729322653BotW is still a good game, the problem is that not every game series can or even should be just like it, and you can't make people who don't play games but do make game development decisions understand that.
>>729331192Didn't they cause the Grievers by using Green Energy, and the Green Energy was supposed to be fixing Viewros?
>>729329657Mainline games have always been canon with themselves even to the point of using the SAME SPACE PIRATES FOR EACH GAME. While I can't tell what Space Pirate is what in the Prime series because they change every game. Samus's personality never even changes in the mainline games. She simply has a work personality and an off work personality. Prime series Samus always felt like a different character altogether. Both being separate canons makes the most sense.
>>729331385Not being able to figure out open world is the sign of a limited and inferior mind.
>>729323410Feels good to be vindicated as a day one hater.
Is he actually grating and game ruining or was it just memes and people trolling?
>>729321236Imagine being a retard and blaming BOTW instead of TanabeKill yourself faggot
>>729331440Did you miss the part about the Lamorn ancient prophecy?
>retro wasn't the ones shitting up the game>it was bandai namco and retro had to basically just finish their version of the game and smooth things outAPOLOGIZE
>>729331663>NOOOOW YOU CAN'T BLAME BOTW EVEN THOUGH EVERY NINTENDO GAME FOLLOWS IT
>>729331018Its a retcon, The ing get mutated by phazon and are very much treated as a separate threat during Prime 2.
>>729331656He is really annoying in a different way. The segments with him Marvelquipping are annoying to be sure, but the real issue is that he is constantly radioing you to go to the next location and it gets really infurating at one point. If he was the only thing wrong with the game, the game would be fine and Miles kinda makes just a small portion of the problems with the game. I found Armstrong to be more annoying by a lot
>>729330867>>729330867Retro hired some retarded writers that anyone from the outside could tell were going to write garbage. The fact that people have trust that Retro is going to make a good Prime 5 when they're full of 343 refugees is deluding themselves.
>>729329802For the same reason the Primefags lost their shit over the main series especially when it tried and failed to jump into 3D. Other M sucked ass but Primefags took it to the next level and kept that game in the spotlight longer than it should have been. It should have flopped and been forgotten, it should have been looked at for careful learning but people acted like Sakamoto killed their child, it was ridiculous. The other reason is that Metroid never felt like it got a proper jump into 3D like Nintendo's other series and people still want that but, not the way Other M did it. The last reason is Primefags have a problem with constantly shitting on the 2D series while stating "Hey, if it doesn't sell well enough your series is dead".
>>729331697Bamco did shit for 2 year, Retro shat the bed for 6 years after that. You could have made a better Metroid Prime game from scratch in 4 years easily if you had talent in your team.
>>729328984>Killing dark samus and the aurora unit on phaaze causes phaaze to explode and phazon to stop existing everywhere somehow>he doesn't know about Ice-9
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>>729331697Took 'em six years to finish it lol?
Ive never played the Prime series how would you fellas rate best to worst 1-3?
>>729327914ridley being partially mechanical in returns makes no sense unless it happened after the first 3 prime gamesthey're canon dipshit
>>729331340How can two creatures that were corrupted by exposure to phazon from leviathans from planet phaaze be the source phazon on phaaze and Lynch pin of phaaze existing?
>>729331757>this is what BOTW derangement syndrome does to you
>>7293320582>1>3
>>729331612>Samus's personality never even changes in the mainline gamesy'know, except in Other M, when she becomes suicidally emotionally fragile for no reason.
>>729331327I should clarify what I meanIt could only work as a spinoff title. Open World is against the very origins of the title "Metroid" itself, which was a portmanteu of "Metro" and "Droid", originally conceptualized as a game about a robot exploring abandoned Metro tunnels. Open World is virtually the exact opposite of the idea of exploring a maze of tunnels. BOTW sort of worked for Zelda (although was very unpopular with a lot of hardcore fans) because it was apparently both conceptualized and marketed as a return to the root intentions of the Zelda series. To make a real "Metro Droid" in the way BOTW re-examined Zelda, you would have to return to first principles, and there are a lot better ways to do that.I don't think they should try Open World Metroid again for a long time. There are a lot of interesting things done with the 2D games like item and room randomizers. Personally I'd say that'd be the direction to go for bringing Metroid into the new era based on first principles: randomly generated tunnel mazes. But even that, idk if that's what Metroid needs right now.
>>729331906>Metroid Prime, released November 18, 2002>Metroid Prime: Echoes, released November, 15, 2004>Metroid Prime: Corruption, released August 27, 2007The entire trilogy released in less time than Beyond was developed.
>>729331697>it took Retro 8 years to barely fix another studio's fuck upThat still doesn't make them look good.
>>729321236>TanabeHe literally killed metroid, paper mario and the prohibited the kremlings from being in donkey kong returns. he's the biggest faggot at nintendo and i still can't believe he still has a job there after years of blunders
>>729330117Um this is a blue board
>>729332180That's fucking grimm, holy fuck.
>>729331656His "quirkyness" isn't why he's annoying, (its not great but its minor), his real problem is being all the bad parts of Skyward Sword Fi, telling you the hint of where to go before you have time to look around and try and figure it out yourself. >Hey, you should check out this Volcano, looks pretty cool>Hey did you remember that one morph ball spinner you saw in Volt Forge, maybe you should check it out, wouldn't it be funny if it upgraded your suit for heat resistance like you need right now?
>>729326842No but it's true the company's decline began in the Wii era.
>>729332145But she acts like Samus, yeah, her PTSD and emotional state is fucking things up here and there but Samus is still there and her self-sacrifice is still present along with her motherly personality as well as being a tomboy.
>>7293320581=>2>Hunters>>>>Pinball>>>>>>>4=3
>>729332353>>729332129im still going to try it but 3 was that bad?
>>729332395I'll never forgive them for removing beam switching just because they picked a controller with too few buttons.
>-Please tell us what you can about the timeline of this game. I assume it takes place after Metroid: Federation Force, but how does it relate to the other games?>Development Team: It's set after Super Metroid and before Metroid Fusion. However, since Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this game, you won't need to worry about the timeline going forward. We deliberately set it up that way. We wanted to allow for a free and unique setting for Metroid Prime without affecting the 2D Metroid series.Tanabe soft confirms future Prime content and also it all taking place in another dimension lol
>>7293320582 > 3 > 1
>>729331902No idea what you're carrying on about, dude, everyone hated Other M and most of us stopped talking about it years ago. Seems like you're just trying to blame anyone who likes what you hate for retarded shit.
>>729324938This is outdated since samus returns was released and showed metroids still weak to ice beam albeit less so as they evolve. But this still holds up.
>>729331612prime 4 literally explained that there are multiple different factions of aliens in the space pirate forces
>>729332287>Hey you found some Lamorn tech, come back to base camp when you get a chance, do you remember where it is? Here, I'll mark it on your map with a menu prompt that will hover on your UI and never go away until you press it so the cursor can scroll over your world map and show you where the base camp is, because we expect you to get lost in this world smaller than the Cloud District of Whiterun
>Kills Metroid>Kills Chibi-robo>Kills Paper MarioFuck Tanabe. Fucking Gook.
>>729332395It's not. It's worse than the two other games, but I think it's better than 4 by a lot. There's just some pretty dumb design decisions like Hypermod, but it's still fine
>>7293323953 is good. It's problems are being too easy, and holding the player's hand a lot. But it's also overhated by anal retentive Prime 1 fans who also hate 2 despite it being objectively the best game in the series.
>>729329424I agree, but I also don't think making a game like the original trilogy in HD is inherently unfeasible. There are still glimpses of that type of design in the Prime 4 we got, even if it's half-assed and sprinkled throughout uninteresting areas. The problem is that there is increased pressure on the gaming industry to broaden the scope of games in order to appeal to normalfag consumers who happily eat up bloated slop. This especially doesn't work for Metroid because it thrives on tightly-designed interwoven rooms that loyal fans keep coming back to, even if the sales numbers are comparatively low. There is no indie juggernaut equivalent like Hollow Knight for the Prime games. In fact, there's essentially no direct substitute. While Prime 3 did give in to some of the trends at the time by mimicking the Halo series, it didn't actively war with the series's gameplay like this, so it wasn't that big of an issue. We can only hope that enough of the talent from the Prime Trilogy still remains at Retro to heed the warning and get their shit together despite whatever Tanabe thinks, which doesn't seem to be the case considering who has left and who was hired.
>>729332508Most kept saying the series was dead and had an image with Tanabe and Sakamoto on it, you couldn't have a good Metroid thread here for years because of it. Many people kept saying they wanted Sakamoto off the series because of ONE game, there was constant shitposts about it even during Samus Returns and Dread's era. Don't forget the Dread was in development denial when 2d/10 came up. It was annoying.
>Bog standard Prime 1>No fucking feds or Sylux>No gay motorbike segments in an empty desert>Maybe the aliens were experimenting with something they didn’t understand as a shortcut and it wasn’t something green. It was blue.>Weavel is back and doesn’t say muchFixed it.
>>729332550Doesn't matter, main series said the Space Pirate organization was dead and done after Super Metroid.
>>729332058I'm the biggest Prime 3 defender on this board and even I still think it was weaker than 1 and 2.
>>729332238>prohibited the kremlings from being in donkey kong returnsFirst I'm hearing about this
>>729321779They said the BOTW style doesn't fit Metroid and they tried something else instead. I don't see how that's a problem.
>>7293320581 is extremely good and the most replayable, 2 is very similar but different at the same time and expands on everything introduced in the first. 3 was very disappointing when I played it everything is a lot more linear and missing that metroid magic by making power ups something you get while just progressing through the game with very little need for exploration.I think the only reason people remember that game fondly is because its short and they play right after 1&2 which are amazing
>>729331970>>729332118This really just proves that BotWfags aren't Nintendofags, they're outsiders who love the sight of Nintendofags' toys being broken and pretending to consolewar against "snoys" as their cause.
>>729332742Considering we got MOM and Fed Force, fans fearing for the life of the franchise was well-founded. And yes, it was people shitposting during Returns and Dread, as people on 4chan exist to do.
>>729331586Green energy encourages growth of flora and fauna, which the Lamorn figured would replenish Viewros after their machine age had drained it of most of its resources. Unfortunately, it also made creatures exposed to it stronger and very aggressive. Double unfortunately, it reacted to the Lamorn's psychic crystals by devolving them into Grievers. Triple unfortunately, they did not test any part of this theory before firing their volcano cannon and spraying the stuff across the entire planet.
>>7293320581 > 2 > 3, I used to think 2 was better but I played it again recently and I can't really think of a thing it did better than 1 other than adding the Screw Attack I guess, the robot tower is probably the best area in any of the games but it's not enough to carry the whole game, I also don't like how the artifacts to access the last area are for the most part gated until the end of the game whereas you could get a lot of the one's in 1 at different points of the game
>>729331663Tanabe designed everything you like about the series, zoomie.
>>729333067wow, they're almost as retarded as the space pirates
>>729333067>hey should we maybe do regional testing of this super grow formula>nah, just blast the whole planet with it all at once, what's the worst that could happen?
>>729321236>Their dialogue was handled by Retro Studios' writers, and their acting was supervised by Retro Studios' movie staff. They handled everything with great care and enthusiasm, including several re-takes, and we implemented many of their suggestions.FUCKING DUMBASSES!
>>729333137Almost as if they were trying to write in phazon but couldn’t so they went with diet phazon instead.
>>729332930The game is selling enough that we’ll never get a good Metroid again. Ever. They should have wrapped it up with Dread.
>>729333213I fucking knew it! I knew Retro was responsible for the terrible dialogue and non-talkable Samus.
>We went from this to unoriginal open world slophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7jdnU06ewWhat the FUCK went wrong?
>>729333067Shame the nigga who wrote the prophecy didn't tell them read the warning label about not ingesting the pesticide
>>729333424This shit is separate from the main series. Main series is fine, thank god.
>>729333460Modern devs
>>729333460>posts music>despite 4 having a great soundtrack>also 3 of all games, despite it being equally as shit as 4lol?
>>729333460We all know the answer but Switchfags get huffy and shit all over the rest of the series if you bring it up.
>>729322992it actually is a valley you can see the mountains all around it
>>729322360Todd Howard is killing every company for trying to copy Skyrim, and BOTW was the patient zero
>>729333460while a loading screen is slightly better than a desert, 3 has literally every problem 4 does, but retarded hypermode on top of that.
>>7293229203D Mario. It's so fucking obvious that it's happening.
Can you ever fill in all of the hexagons on the map, or are the ones on the edges unreachable? Asking for my autistic friend.
>>7293328693 is ridiculously underrated.
>>729331656Armstrong is far worse than Miles and I am not fucking kidding
>>729332930>Considering we got MOM and Fed Force, fans fearing for the life of the franchise was well-founded.No, it never was. Thinking that one bad game was going to kill an entire franchise was always histrionic doomer bullshit or trolling. I love Metroid but too many "fans" are insecure and melodramatic as fuck and don't know what a truly dead franchise looks like, like F-Zero. F-Zero has never had a Super Metroid or sold anywhere near 3 million like Dread. And FF wasn't amazing but it was overhated and review bombed simply because it wasn't a mainline Metroid to wash away Other M. So now the cycle of "METROID IS DEAD" doomerism and trolling combined with Other M revisionism starts anew because of Prime 4 flopping. People need to just get a grip, Prime 4 was subpar but the series will not die because Metroid, while not being as big as Zelda, is still too commercially and critically acclaimed and important to Nintendo to just let "die".
>>729330117Samus would use a strap-on
Post Sylux
>>7293335463 is a masterpiece compared to 4. Shut right the fuck up.
>>729333949what are the shoulder spikes for?
>>729326757>Boss is just another generic alienAlien Queen
>>729333981LMAO
>>729321779The amount of people who read it as the game being influenced by Botw and not people who were influenced by Botw just goes to show how /v/ is mostly ESLs now.
>>729324938The fuck are you smoking stoner scum. Other M is main canon and fits. Other M is confirmed by Dread to be 3.5. Unlike prime. The prime series makes no sense. Prime is non canon.
is am2r the best metroid game?
Well, now we know why Sakamoto's Federation uses lead-based weapons while Tanabe's Federation uses energy-based.
>>729326757I've been so checked out the entirety of the run time after Volt Forge that I started primarily browsing porn and playing Prime 4 on the side. The 2 minute long loading screens between areas doesn't help me pay attention.I think the only time I was engaged with the game after my first day playing it was when I got to Ice Belt. It was... mediocre instead of dogshit.
>>729333990It's spiky cuz it's looks cool.
>>729333949Sylux would suck on Samus' breasts if we're going with the energy stealing/metroid replacement theme to it's extreme.
>>729334067>Other M is main canon and fitsProblem is that it contradicts everything around it.
>>729334156ice belt is actually great and i'd say it's as good as some of the better areas in the prime games
>>729334098It’s good and if you haven’t played it then play it instead of the Prime 4 dumpster fire. Consider it an AU take on what happens at SR-338.
>>729334002You can laugh, but you're not a Metroid fan. >>729334098FUCK no.
>>729334204Not him but how so?
>>729333990For this *shoulder stabs u*
>>729334204And retroactively ruins the WHOLE series by turning Samus into a gigantic pussy with daddy issues. So much for being a planet-killing merc who doesn’t afraid of anything.
>>729334206pffffftYou wouldn't be saying that if you actually played literally any of the Prime games.
>>729334264in metroid Fusion samus is knocked unconscious and her suit is so fused to her body she has to have it surgically removedIn Other M Samus's suit is only barely held together by her willpower, and if she gets so much as a distracting phone call it'll disintegrate.
>>729327358Other M IS canon idiot. It’s more canon than the prime gaidens. Ridley died in súper and Samus got over it in other m. Go suck a dick faggot.
>>729334341I have though? I'm not gonna pretend ice belt is not good because Prime 4 has shit game design in other areas.
>>729334206Ice Belt would rank maybe 2nd or 3rd from the bottom if you ranked only it and every other Prime area. It's honestly worse than Agon Wastes and the Crashed Ship.
>>729332063People bitched about him being in SR but his fight there is goated.
>>729334061>it's not people influenced by BotW>it's people influenced by BotW but I worded it slightly differentlyA distinction without a difference.
>>729332862Because they ended up making something worseMaking a good open world game that’s Metroid in name only would’ve been betterMaking another Prime game without the desert would’ve been betterThey chose the worst possible option
>>729334417If anyone can suck a dick it’s that RETARD Sakamoto who decided to re-write Samus’s personality so he could finally have a game with his waifu fantasy to jerk off to!
>>729324374Sakamato was behind other M so it's not like he's that great of an option either kek
>>729324374Sakamoto hates Prime, it's why Other M exists in the first place.
>>729334443not really
>D tierIce Belt>F tierVolt ForgeFury GreenFlare Pool>G tierGreat MineSol Valley
>When developing Metroid Prime Hunters, the game designers at NST, the development company, came up with concepts for each Hunter. Among them was the idea that Sylux harbors hatred toward the Federation and Samus. At the time, I specifically asked them not to decide on the reason behind it. I did this so that if I ever wanted to create a game centered around that reason, the existing concept wouldn't become a hindrance. While laying groundwork in the endings of Metroid Prime 3 and Federation Force, we finally decided on the specifics of what happened in the past for this game. That's the footage Samus sees, resonating with Sylux's consciousness, like occasional flashbacks. Due to his self-righteous and narrow-minded nature, Sylux came to resent Samus and the Galactic Federation. The suit design, while based on the original colors and design, was redesigned by Retro Studios' artists. In terms of lore, we established that the Galactic Federation modified the suit using nanotechnology. I believe it resulted in a more refined and stylish design.So if Sylux DID have a backstory from NST, it was thrown out
>>729321779the replies to this post prove you're all a bunch of illiterate turd-world goatfuckers
>>729333861>one bad gameWe had two in a row.
>8 years>2 years lost to Bamco>6 spent polishing a turd>ex 343 devs on top of it like flies
>>729334874the 343 devs were the artists
>>729334264See >>729324938
>>729334378Her suit works through will power and when she puts it on, it fuses with her body. The X Parasite infects the central nervous system of the body. Samus's suit is connected to Samus's central nervous system. When Samus was infected, the X took control of that thus her Power Suit couldn't come off. Not really hard to understand anon. Also, the suit is strong only when Samus is mentally focused, no normal individual can use the Power Suit as it needs a considerable amount of mental energy to power and maintain it to efficient levels.
I saw a post about something funny involving the morph ball in Volt Forge but I didn't see it. Is it a later visit?
>>729331582Yeah exactly. I play different games because I enjoy different experiences. I loved BotW but I also love Super Metroid, because they are different games that are doing different things. If they were doing the same thing there would be no reason to buy both.
>>729322147>>729323565I know people rightfully hate Other M but wasn't the point of Samus' characterization in that was because the events of Super broke her?
>>729334927NTA but the gallery/concept art is the only good thing in the game. Unfortunately, you have to play it to unlock it.
are people unable to read? they say they didn't want to make this like botw and the people inspired by botw were the fans.
>>729334927>the 343 devs were the artistsIt's depressing how many people on /v/ fail to grasp shit like this.it's like that one fat chick who was working on the game and /v/ paraded around her twitter profile for months and she was a fucking environmental artist. she was probably modeling plants and rocks.
>>729333870Does the 'item acquired' jingle play whenever she equips it?
>>729328714Why not they just co-develop with EPD?They co-developed Mario Kart 7 remember?
>>729334802Which is why I’m so many layers of mad I’ll toss this into the “shit that didn’t happen” bin alongside Other M. I just know the original backstory was better! I just know! Fuck you, Retro! I was in a fun thread where creative anons were all thinking up different backstories for Sylux and ALL were better than what we got!
>>729334990Something funny? Not that I'm aware. There's a psychic boost ball platform.
>>729335006No.
>>729321236>tasked with making a Metroid game>inspired themselves by BotW>somehow ended up making a linear game that has more in common with the old Zeldas than either of those two.The extent of "exploration" in Prime 4 is like if Twilight Princess had one chest in each dungeon, that required the item from the next dungeon to get.
>>729332145>she becomes suicidally emotionally fragile for no reasonThe Ridley scene in Other M is poorly executed, but Samus never had much character to begin with in the 2D games, there was no reason for her to, she was isolated on dangerous planets and there were no other characters to interact with, that, and the few instances of characterization you did find outside of Fusion (Super) were concise and brief due to retro game design, memory constraints, whatever.The only thing Other M contradicts is the Prime series in terms of her character (arguably), and if anything, it's Retro that fumbled who she actually is (Sakamoto is the creative director whether you like it or not, and has say on what kind of charachter Samus is). They went with what is in a lot of respects, the least imaginative interpretation the character could have (Gen X Onions Wars Boba Fett.)
I finally got my copy and made it to the ice belt.So far the game feels very fun. All the bosses in particular feel really good.
>>729335543Somehow, it's more linear than the Zelda dungeons of the past, that's saying something.
>>729335779After Prime 4, I took back absolutely everything I said badly about Sakamoto-san during the Other M era. Prime 4 was proof that Retro didn't understand Samus's character at all. Seems not even Tanabe-san understands Samus's character let alone, the entire damn lore of Metroid given when this takes place.
>>729334802>Due to his self-righteous and narrow-minded nature,So there's no twist with his backstory then......
>>729335937>I said badly about Sakamoto-sanYou shouldn't have said anything bad about him to begin with, he's an incredibly accomplished director who's worked on like 50+ games, and created the Detective Club series, the overwhelming majority of his work is well-received. Other M is one (arguable) stain on his portfolio.
Also, Nintendo Co., LTD, didn't care to bring back the Metroid Prime series, it was Nintendo of America that requested to bring back the Metroid Prime series, like really.
>>729335937What's wrong with Samus's character in 4
>>729321236I was hoping this game would do a split timeline like ocarina since Tanabe mentioned time travel back in 2016but this was the most retarded and unsatisfying way to accomplish this, in what way does Prime 4 or its ending convey that's what happened!?i guess its possible the interview is all wrong since its machine translated
>>729336069I agree, I'm sorry for ever doubting you, Yoshio Sakamoto-san. I should have had more respect for you and your mainline Metroid team.
>>729321236No explanation for why there are no visors in this gameGranted there would have been no use for them since there's hardly an exploration or discovery in this game
>>729336146>i guess its possible the interview is all wrong since its machine translatedStop it. This game was a disappointing tonedeaf mess. Just accept it and don't bother trying to bargain.
>>729336104She doesn't talk, doesn't get attached and doesn't have flashbacks.She's just as stoic as usual so I assume he's only ever played other M.
>>729336104Everything,>she's a mute>she isn't self-sacrificial or motherly>there's only one time in the game where she stays behind and makes sure the Fed Troopers escape>she keeps leaving her allies behind to die>some already dead ancient alien race is more important than saving her allies and getting back home.
>>729331989>>729332184>while they were making Remastered still>while COVID was going on and hitting them hard in burgerland>while they still had to hire a lot of guys and make a Prime game for the first timeIt's a miracle the game wasn't WORSE
>>7293328692 is the best and most replayable
>>729334989So she has enough willpower to not lose her suit completely when she was slammed against the wall in Prime and to not lose it when she sees Ridley in Returns and Super, but seeing Ridley for the umpteenth time and being shot in the back by Adam makes her lose all focus and composure to the point she can barely move.
The perfect prime game would just be prime 3's environments and music + prime 2's level design
>>729336262Retard.
>>729324427velvet cake is the best cake though
>>729332149>Open World is against the very origins of the title "Metroid" itselffuck off with that nonsense. Metroid 1 is open world, you don't even need to do anything before tackling the final boss. you can grab the ice beam hidden at the start, lure an enemy through the door, freeze to make a platform, and walk into the final area. the wave beam and ice beam replace one another when picked up. the two main bosses reward you with 75 missiles, you could instead grab missile expansions and avoid them. fuck off.
>>729336302Spain was getting booty fucked by COVID and those Spanish still with the help of Nintendo Co., LTD, managed to make one of the best Metroid games in the series, no excuse.
>>729334334>people are STILL arguing in bad faith 15 years lateryou love to see it
>>729331676Did you miss the part where nobody is named in the prophecy? retard.
I love how every time a new game comes out people start insisting that the worst game in the franchise is actually the best game and you're all tranny faggot pedos for even daring to say that the worst game is bad.
>>729336427It was also a huge step up from what they were making pre-COVID too. Definitely no excuse on Retro's part.
>>729336314She only fought ridley three or four times at that point, and after Super, she literally saw him die while also vaporizing his body when she blew up Zebes. Ridley's Zero Mission bio reads, Cunning God of Death, Samus was shocked into PTSD due to Ridley seemingly coming back from the dead to haunt her further. It was like he could never die.>>729336364Cope
>>729334431But you will pretend it's "as good as some of the better areas" in the Prime trilogy. Which is a laughable thing to say.
>>729321779The big gaming circles I ran in - especially here - said absolutely nothing about waning an open world Metroid. That's some bullshit.
>>729336606okay.
>>729335779>The only thing Other M contradicts is the Prime series in terms of her characterRemind me again how that cutscene in super metroid went where she was in a federation station and she ran into ridley (who she thought was dead at the time)? did she have a panic attack and her suit dissolve? or did she just start shooting at him to fight him for the baby metroid? Other M's scenario was EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as Super, so saying it doesn't contradict her character to suddenly have this problem she didn't have before is pure bullshit.
I haven’t played the game, is it as good as prime 3? Cause Prime 1 and 2 were about even, with 2 being a bit better, but both were better than 3 which wasn’t even that bad it was just an 8/10 in a series of 9/10s.
>>729331582>the problem is that not every game series can or even should be just like itAgreed. That includes Zelda.
>>729336423>Metroid 1 is open worldSTOP ITENOUGH OF "WE WUZ NES N SHIET" STOLEN VALOR BULLSHIT FROM SWITCHFAGS ALREADY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>>729336606every area is better than Phendrana Drifts
>>729336796It's the metroid 3 of metroid 3.
>>729336816FUCK OFF, I TOLD YOU TO FUCK OFF YOU SECONDARY. Tired of your shit. You like shit like Zero Mission. Fuck off.
Why people like Prime series so much? I don't get it, I played first three recently, and at best they felt "okay".
>>729336751Not him but, Samus Returns happens before Super and Samus never believed he was dead, she probably didn't expect to see him heal up as fast, but she probably expected to see and fight him again. Ridley dies for good after Super Metroid.
>>729334802yeah this is was i figured. they tossed the interesting and actually good backstory out for the literal nothing of a backstory we got in 4. such trash. tanabe needs to be booted
>>729336914dont bother.Other M haters are allergic to arguing in good faith
>>729336912It's first person sci-fi Ocarina of Time.
>>729336314I don't think anyone is gonna argue that the Ridley scene isn't retarded.>when she was slammed against the wall in PrimeSakamoto wasn't as involved with Prime, and it's a spinoff series, not to mention she also loses most of her powerups afterwards, so I wouldn't even say that's the "gotcha" you think it is.>ReturnsCame out after Other M.>being shot in the back by Adam makes her lose all focus and composure to the point she can barely move.It's ultimately just anime writing, but he is her former commander, you could very well just say he's a really good shot, knew how to take her down, caught her off-guard at her worst moment (she was entirely focused on the Metroid in front of her), etc. That, or perhaps Samus isn't as powerful as you might think she is.
>>729336914Ridley wasn't in Metroid 2 sweetie, we're talking about the real games, not the mexican fanfics.
>>729336912Some dudes, who couldn't get Halo went for the next best thing, plus the whole early 2000s Halo vs Metroid Prime thing, that's it. Prime series is vastly overrated just like the Halo series.
>>729336796it's basically prime 3, but a boring desert instead of loading screen ship and some added annoyances like the annoying feds. the combat and bosses are better than prime 3, it has some better areas and worse areas. the intro is much better than 3 but the rest of the game is as linear.i've seen some people say they prefer 4 over 3 but for me if 3 is a 8/10 then 4 is a 7.5/10 but this is /v/ so 4 is like a 2/10 it definitely feels like it's a sequel to prime 3 the most.
>>729337118>it definitely feels like it's a sequel to prime 3 the most.thats because it IS a sequel to prime 3>4 comes after 3say it aint so
>>729336992The other thing here is that Adam did it because he knows how Samus is. Samus wouldn't have allowed Adam to go into Sector Zero, she would have went in there and met her death. Adam knew he couldn't stop her with words so he had to slow her down just enough so he could make that sacrifice.
>>729337161i meant in gameplay terms, it borrows shit from 3 the most.
>>729322147>Samus has jumped into another dimension beyond time and space in this gameAre they talking about Viewros or is she still in a different dimension after the ending?
>>729336816>"WE WUZ NES N SHIET" STOLEN VALOROh my fucking god someone finally put it into words.
>>729337327fuck off samefagging bitch
>>729336992>Sakamoto wasn't as involved with Prime, and it's a spinoff series, not to mention she also loses most of her powerups afterwards, so I wouldn't even say that's the "gotcha" you think it is.She doesn't completely lose her suit and start whimpering in pain and sadness, she picks herself up and continues escaping Orpheon.
Honestly this gives me confidence in the dev team.They understood it was a bad idea but worked to make the most of it given mandates and can use the reception/the ability to actually start from scratch next time as an incredibly strong foundation.If the concept of “open Metroid” and the story beats are from Bandai, then the rest of the game (world design, art, music, etc.) being from Retro shows that they still have the sauce. It’s disappointing that we have to wait until Prime 5 for the game we wanted, but I think it’s a good thing for Nintendo to see big pushback against their open world endeavors lately. It should be used sparingly, not broadly applied to their franchises.
>>729337638>She doesn't completely lose her suit and start whimpering in pain and sadness, she picks herself up and continues escaping Orpheon.She loses her powerups, that's a step below losing the suit entirely.
>>729326086>>729322612isn't it her prime 3 ship?
>>729337745Should she have just started the game without any powerups like the previous three games?
Why do people think samus is a moralfag when she destroyed an entire species on contract?
>>729337696Bro, Retro shipped this turd after working on it for six years. If no one during that six year period thought to speak out about how shit so many aspects of the game was, it's on Retro.
>>729334692The thing about that is in a lot of companies that would just mean Prime doesn't exist rather than some other producer being able to use the series.
>>729331010that's the most generous metroid tier list I've ever seen but I respect it
>>729329242Shouldn't you be on /vp/?
>>729337835they were hiring people for most of those years
>>729337807>Entire planet was teeming with dangerous aliens that could lead to an outbreak that would destabilise the wider galaxy without emergency intervention Wonder why? Hmmmmmm
>>729337835Did you red the interview?They did understood it was a bad idea, but the game had already been invested in too heavily to change course. It’s a victim of its development circumstances.
>>729324561the japanese are so fucking autistic
>>729337835Speak out how? They're devs, they don't get to say shit to Tanabe
>>729337781idk
>>729337965>americans are cowards
>>729337957how the fick were they gonnna get off the planet?
>>729321236>Nintendo had the desert planned from the outset and forced Retro to stick with it after they were given the projectI FUCKING KNEW IT WAS NINTENDO AND TANABE'S FAULTAPOLOGIZE TO RETRO RIGHT NOW
>>729336751Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think Other M was a prequel to the entire Metroid series until like halfway through when someone thought "WAIT WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF IT WAS AFTER SUPER!!!!!!" and they had to shoehorn it all in. Her having a panic attack seeing Ridley for the first time when it's implied that he killed her parents when she was a child would actually make a lot of sense and her coming to terms with that and killing him would've been so much better than this being the third time she's seen him.
>>729337696Yeah this article restored my faith in Retro and reinforced that Tanabe needs to take a step back, and even HE thought the desert ended up being a bad idea eventually.
>>729338089Space pirates and renegade bounty hunters
>>729338089fuck
why the fuck did they give metroid prime to bandai namco in the first place?has bandai namco even made a FPS in the first place?
>>729336427You forget that MS already had experience making a game with Samus returns, and that Dread was already being worked on pre-COVID. Prime 4 with Retro probably only formally began the brunt of its work mid-pandemic because they were still making Remastered (which we know started work in 2018 now via the artbook)
surprised at how an interview this soon after release is basically saying "our bad"take the feedback, go with what you know works, keep the art team, and I guess I'll give em another chance
>>729338203Retro was working on another project at the time.Also I bet Bandai-Namco was cheaper.
>>729338101No, the desert is a good idea, Retro botched it. How incompetent do you have to be to mess up open world. It practically makes itself.
>>729321236fuck off, this absolute slop is not canon.
>>729338203why hand the task of the first 3d metroid to some random texans
>>729338284No it was a dogshit idea, it was open world slop, and Metroid is not an open world franchise.>It practically makes itself.BULL FUCKING SHITmost open world games suck ass
>>729321779>I want an open world metroidNO ONE ASKED FOR THAT.kill yourself, dev. now.
>>729338312literally what is wrong, in your own words?
>>729338284>Desert was a good ideaIt wasn’t. Open world and metroidvania gameplay are antithetical. They cannot coexist. It was a shit fucking idea
>>729338203retro was busy with another (now cancelled) project and bandai namco is basically their ol' reliable
>>729322920Star Fox could unironically be saved with Adventures 2, going all in with the furry fanbase. Just have to integrate the rail shooter aspect of SF into the Zelda overworld of Adventures.
>>729338353Metroid used to be non-linear. Competent devs would figure it out. Retro has demonstrated a very atrophied creative process. Prime 4 is too safe and not daring enough.
>>729338389we went from super metroid and good level design and connectivity, to this absolute garbage mario party minigame.
>>729338409Retard, the original Metroid is open ended. I'm afraid you will have to take summer school, you fail.
>>729338312this is not the main part of the sylux fight
>>729338509Your animation has nothing to do with world design. Dimwit.
>>729338112you make a good point. Other M would've worked really well as a "Year One" story for Samus.
>>729338639a-atleast he's not dead and will definitely return for prime 5.. right?
>>729338639Do you think they backed down on Sylux's role when they realized the game wasn't going too well and they didn't want to waste him here?
>>729338284>It practically makes itself.I'd say it doesn't, at least not an interesting one. Most open worlds I've played are fucking boring, and 4's is only bearable because you can zoom through it pretty fast.
>>729338590ah yes, the giant empty void of sand and stupid green crystals, such a great choice. as are the mini hubs that have no fucking link to the rest of the world at all.
>>729338639I laughed so hard at this little cuck scream at Samus. The amount of melodrama from this guy was fucking hilarious.
>>729321779BOTW and its consequences have been a disaster for the gamer race.
>>729338692I mean they made an amiibo of him, surely they will use him for the next 2 games
>>729321779Open world Animal CrossingOpen world SplatoonOpen world PikminOpen world StarfoxOpen world Mario TennisOpen world Warioware
>>729338639He mirdered myles and the dyke so he's based in my book.
>>729338732>Most open worlds I've played are fucking boringskill issue, just acquire taste and play good ones
>>729338692He’ll get into an accident that will cause him to get regressed mentally into the age of 5, then he’ll become Samus’s plucky sidekick and he will see her as his mother.
>>729338750>hubworlds are bad
>>729338692If a Metroid villain isn't visibly shown dying then they're absolutely coming back, and sometimes even that isn't enough to write them off for good.
>>729338852>Open world Wariowareand.. you had me until here. How would that work. Not saying it can't, but now I am intrigued.
>>729338065>>729337781It is.
>>729338639>literally axes his kino backstory made for him by his original creators>instead replaces it with ostensibly incomplete garbagesylux probably would hate tanabe for what he did to him
>>729338870Okay, what's this?
>>729338998So why were those faggots arguing about the ship earlier anyway? they don't even know the series they claim this game is a bad entry of.
>>729338421>Adventures 2 Terrible
>>729339005Sylux's backstory makes sense and it's not like other Metroid villains are any more deep. You don't even know what NST's backstory would've been for him.
>>729339070it's Gothic 2, the best RPG ever made.
>>729338934prime 4 is the worst metroid game that exists. it was designed by literal retards who think metroid should be halo.>SAMUS, GO TO THIS HUB ACROSS THE EMPTY DESERT AND DO A TASK, THEN NEVER RETURN BECAUSE INTERCONNECTED LEVELS ARE BAD
>>729338526When people talk about Metroid they talk about the level design and interconnected nature of the games. It’s why these games are appreciated. The original exists in a vacuum because it naturally predates super Metroid that defined the series and its identity. You technically got me but I still don’t think open world gameplay has any fucking place in Metroid as it is now.
>>729339117NTA, Adventures 2 could be great. Just give it map layers and ultra hand, and fill up the sidequests with on rails shooting.
>>729339005He was never going to have some ground-breaking backstory when it's going to boil down to being some petty fuck who wages guerilla war against civilized society and the biggest hero in the galaxy.
>>729339217>Oafs 'n grossecelb aside, Other M exists, Federation Force exists, Pinball exists, and Zero Mission quite frankly, merely exists.
>>729338112All the post-super stuff is baked way too deep into the plot for that to be the case. What happened is that Sakamoto ripped off her character arc, especially the Ridley scene, from a licensed manga (that came out years prior) that was actually set in her very early career and did exactly what you're describing..
>>729339217How many threads are you going to do your gay webm spam in?
>>729339251>they talk about the level design and interconnected nature of the gamesWell anon, you see the thing about open world games well, they're entirely connected. Not sure why you would need this explained to you, should be common sense.
>>729339346pinball is fine for what it is
>>729338692Slyux is so obviously still alive at the end of prime 4 that only a genuine retard would think he's dead.this is the most obvious setup for another trilogy, Retro and Tanabe could have made without Sylux outright telling you he'll be back from Metroid Prime 5 in 2028
>>729339116You really think /v/irgins argue and fight in good faith?
>>729339449better than ZM, if we're being honest.>Pinball is a better retread of a game than Zero Missionmakes me jolly
>>729338112>>729338684Except for the whole copying Fusion's plot 1:1 thing.
>>729339346even the gameboy metroids put this game to shame. the 2D metroids are better anyways.
>>729339626LMAO, whew
>>729339641fusion and zero mission aren't better than prime 4? lol how do you defend this slop
>>729321236>>729321779Common botw Nintendo LSynthetic man was right again Also they hired woke tranny writers and a Jew
>>729339692Fusion is definitely better than Prime 4. lol
>>729330618>new 2d Mario isn't like new 3D mario's.Except for the fact that they brought in EPD Tokyo devs for Wonder to make it more like 3D Mario, at least in terms of creativity.
>>729333137>Science Team Log 21.398-01>Our forces uncovered a psycho repository of Lamorn history. Further analysis showed it to detail their rise and fall. It is a shame we never met them sooner. They would have made excellent Space Pirates.
>>729332824they also said the x were extinct after fusion before dread was revealed fucktard
>>729339736didnt synthetic man suck a dildo on stream
does anyone remember the bandai singapore insider thread earlier this year or last year?he described the original build as being like breath of the wild, but he detailed a lot of things which I can't remember nowcan't find the thread though
>>729338089>people/pirates land on planet for z reason>get infected and don't realise until they're out in space>infection spreads and now X not only have a ship but knowledge of to to pilot a ship
>>729332824>main series said the Space Pirate organization was dead and done after Super Metroid.Where was that mentioned exactly?
>>729340782i meant the metroids not the X
