Why can't Nintendo create another Zelda like Majora's Mask ever again?
>>729340947>entire game is on a timertoo stressful for modern gaymers
>>729340947Because you would say>wow nintendo is creatively bankrupt, its basically the same game again
>>729341068Unironically true.Timers make people frustrated.
>>729340947they almost and had the perfect chance with Tears of the Kingdom but they just had to make slop, fucking unforgivable>>729341068the game could very much be on a timer where Ganondorf nukes the world, also has the perfect excuse for time loop traveling powers again and wastes it
>>729340947It was lightning in a bottle and for some retarded reason, they never want to bring Termina back again even though literally every Zelda fan wants them to.
Because Nintendo made Breath of the Wild. And now everything has to be openslop because Fart in the Wild is the best selling game ever.
>>729341431If they brought Termina back it would ruin the magic of it in the first game.
>>729341632Great Bay is an OCEAN, I wanna see more of it. And Wind Waker already proved Nintendo can pull an ocean setting off in a Zelda game.
>>729341104God forbid a game have challenge, it would make the tourists and pass-buyers frustraterino
Why do people dick ride this game so hard? I played it, the controls are awkward, the gameplay is pretty boring and can get annoying and it just looks like shit regardless of its age.
>>729341948It's the internet's meme that everything that is bad or obnoxious or ominous must be better than the thing that defined its genre. They do this for games like Majora's Mask and Dark Souls 2, both of which are worse than the games that inspired them.Ocarina of Time is a more complete experience
>>729341948Oh also... if you haven't played it, play Link's Awakening Remake on Switch. That one is sorely slept on
>>729341948Ocarina of Time was THE game. It was at the top of everyone's list. Majora was somewhat of a black sheep. People don't want to say they like the popular thing because they think that's boring. They want to like the less popular thing because then they're unique and special.TL;DR: contrarianism.
>>729340947They see MM as a failure and an embarrassment. You aren't getting another MM style zelda short of the entire current zelda team getting replaced.
>>729342301>$60Gee I wonder why people are "sleeping" on it
>>729341431I love MM but I also hope they NEVER bring it back. I wouldn't trust modern nintendo to get within 500 feet of this setting.
>>729340947Apparently, Aonuma is ashamed of Majora's Mask and Yoshiaki Koizumi, the person who is pretty much responsible for everything people like about Majora's Mask (detailed side-quests, Mask system, 3-day system, etc.) doesn't seem to have the same role in creating Zelda games that he used to have.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBnxbHndCw8
>>729340947You mean a lazy asset flip that's vastly outclassed by its predecessor with a tacked on gimmick and a shitty fun-killing timer that people praise because it's "atmospheric" and "dark"?
>>729342204>>729342375I also think all zelda games including ocarina of time were dogshit except a link to the past. The franchise was only good after twilight princess
>>729343137Koizumi got "promoted" to working on mario. It's an inherent problem with corporations who make games. Like how sakurai gets sent to the smash bros mines because people like the kirby games too much.
>>729343314What happened that was so significant after Twilight Princess?
>>729341068>can reset the timer at any timeI don't think anyone ever did or would get bothered over this. Lots of games have NPCs on clockwork.
>>729341104There was ONE sidequest that made you go right up to the end of the timer. The dungeons needing to be completed within the timer was laughably easy. You just don't like being challenged, even when the challenge is baby piss.
MM is Reddit edgy shit with 4 dungeons, with only one of them being actually fun to play through. It's a literal Storyfag Zelda game, unironically. OoT sweeps it.
>>729343474The games got somewhat more serious but it still kept its unique pg charm. Also the gameplay is better
>>729343721There were two, plus the campaign couldn't be completed on a blind run without the Song of Time.One was for the Couples Mask, and the other was for the Postman's Hat, which have the same dialogue tree, but different timings.
>>729343778Reading this post I think I can guess your approximate age
Majora's Mask was a perfect blend of hard deadlines, limited technology, and being fortuitous enough to be recycling its assets from one of the most critically acclaimed games ever made and putting them into and entirely new setting.You can't have that anymore because modern tech has reached stagnation on visuals and performance. Zelda games are being given 6 years of spinning their wheels on dev time hiding Koroks and copy+pasting sky islands. And asset resue nowadays involves pasting the same world and npcs over again with no actual meaningful difference in perspective or identity.Nintendo creates great things when they are crunched and literally forced to get creative with what they have.Nintendo has not been under such a gun since the days of the Wii U nearly a decade ago. They rest on their laurels.You will never get another creative work of art, feature complete, fully realized, and delivered to you within a single year ever again.
>>729340947They're not competent or creative enough. Tears of the Kingdom was nothing but half-baked concepts either pulled from the director's ass or stolen from OoT. >less majestic than breath of the wild>story actively cheapens and shits on BotW's story>after all this "WE ARE RE-WRITING THE LORE OF ZELDA WITHOUT THE TRIFORCE AND THE CONVENTIONS OF THE SERIES" we are back to Ganon Link and Zelda>instead of decades of established lore behind this rivalry we instead get Dragon Quest with an OoT coat of paintIt's actually shocking how little regard the retard they've had in since Skyward Sword has for the series, a classic example of some someone new coming in and having to make the series their own through a bunch of pointless changes, all for the sake of being able to write their name on the the hacked up remains of the thing we all used to like, and say to the shareholders "It's mine now, I've made it my own."
>>729341068>>729341104Outer Wilds is a Majora's-like and people love that.
>>729340947Hahahaha... no.You will get BOTWslop forever.
>>729341080But they made ToTK and it sold like fucking hotcakes
>>729341068>>entire game is on a timer>too stressful for modern gaymersOver 50% of Gen Z gamers play at least one gacha game.
>>729340947a reddit tier game?
>>729340947That's ToTK>reset assets with a weird plotYeah I'd rather play OoT and I'd rather play BoTW
>>729341068Doesn't subway surfers have a timer?
>>729342375I only played the two in like 2010From my perspective, I recognize that OoT is an absurdly technically well made game, especially for the time, and revolutionized even how to move around in a video gameHowever I played a ton of games before playing OoT that were basically just OoT again, the most blatant being Twilight PrincessI played Majora's Mask shortly after and it's insane how much soul oozes from every orifice of it in comparison
>>729341431The modern nintendo doubles down when the fans are upset by a "feature" they've designed, and frankly you're lucky you got two whole zeldas in a single decade, what with all the other franchises they're barely making.It's honestly sad, we've reached a point where every part of every Nintendo game is run through some marketing algorithm to see if it'll upset or offend or scare anyone, and gets the corners sanded off accordingly.Prime 4 was a product of that, TotK was a product of it too. We're at the point where Nintendo Polish has been replaced with Nintendo Standards and Practices.
>>729344493>something I hated about BOTW was how far they went to make the tutorial unskippable, despite the whole game being about non-linearity and freedom>TOTK doubles down on this and makes it even worse
>>729341068>it's on a "timer", that means it's stressfulthis retarded non-argument can only be made up by someone who never played it
Because koizumi lost the succession battle and aonuma is in charge now.
>>729341068>song of reverse time makes it barely matter>cheeses the alien ghost quest into boredom wait game unless you intentionally remove the slowed time effect
>>729340947Play Outer Wilds, it may sound retarded at first but in a way it's the closest game to Majora's Mask there is. Ignore the DLC content until you've beating the base game
>>729344920beaten*
>>729344493>you're lucky you got two whole zeldas in a single decadeI think about this a lot in regards to children. You know, the primary demographic for Nintendo?A kid that would just have entered middle school in the 6th grade when BotW came out would be graduating high school when TotK released.A kid who was in the 4th grade when Mario Odyssey came out would be on his way to college now, still waiting for another mainline 3D exploration Mario title.I know children are more spoiled for choice than ever, so there's certainly no drought. But my point is, this would be unheard of when I was a kid. Absolutely bananas.Imagine playing OoT in 1998 and not even seeing Majora's Mask until 2004. And Wind Waker until 2011.Absolutely absurd.>games were smaller thenAnd yet they were better because they had more focus. You don't need a bloated team of 200 people to make a quality game full of content. That is entirely a company created problem. Too many very inexperienced chefs trying to bake a single pie.I feel for the few kids left that just enjoy a thing and want more of it before they aren't even kids anymore.
>>729340947thankfully some insane drunk finnish guy made a rpg maker game that serves as a spiritual sequel
>>729341068The entire game is not on a timer thoughbeit, only reaching the next owl statue, mask, ocarina song, equipment piece or boss mask is on a timer. People that balk at the timer didn't even figure out how the game works and most who enjoy the game forget this detail because doing an entire quarter of the game in one cycle is easy enough that they just do it out of simplicity. MM is a pearl cast before swine.
>>729344736i'd say Koizumi won as he's doing Mario while Aonuma is knowingly guilty for Zelda becoming slop
>>729345090This problem is rampant.
>>729341068What's the last AA+ game to use a timer, Lightning Returns?
>>729345470I haven't played a Pikmin game since Pikmin 1.Do any of the recent ones even have timers? Let alone one with a hard fail state?
>>729345470Atelier something something
>>729345090>A kid that would just have entered middle school in the 6th grade when BotW came out would be graduating high school when TotK released.I have a nephew in an almost identical circumstance. He got BOTW when it came out over 8 years ago when he was just a kid, now he's thinking about enlisting in the military since he has several other family members that did it.Fucking insane how long it takes for new games to come out now, even indie stuff like Silksong, Mina the hollower, Repentance + takes years and years and years.
>>729345090>>729345608I imagined this would be an issue, so when I introduce long running series to my nephews I always start with old games, so they have similar progressions to what I had.Setting my current little guy to play OoT on his xbox was a success. Ironically enough the one series where this doesn't happen is Pokemon, and /v/ hates it for being produced like unequivocal trash, not that I don't, but maybe we don't want modern Nintendo games to only take 2 years to make.
>>729345895They should reuse engines more.
>>729345895GameFreak has an attitude problem, not an ability problem.Look at that Sekiro lookin' game they showed a preview of awhile back. They can clearly create something of worth with their limited team.It's just if it's something they aren't interested in, like a series they've been making for 30 years, they phone it in because they know they can.GameFreak could make a quality, traditional (non "open world") Pokemon title for modern hardware in 2 years if they actually gave a damn about the project.For Sword and Shield they said during an interview that making games was hard and not to expect much. Imagine being the top grossing franchise and saying "we didn't really try" at the reveal trailer. The absolute state.
Replayed ALTTP, AOL, LA, OOT and MM in that order back to back the past weeksOOT did more than just remake ALTTP in 3D, it also borrowed quite a lot from Zelda 2 moreso than I remember. We kinda forget it started as a Zelda 2 remake. You certaintly feel it in the sword combat.MM is a huge improvement upon OOT in many aspects but is saddly restricted to a smaller game with a smaller main quest of 4 dungeons. It did a lot despite the limitations. The 3 days mechanic was a genuis idea to artificially raise the game's playtime with a couple more hours doing side content in specific order. It makes it somewhat more replayable than OOT as well, you could redo the dungeons as many time as you want or battle the bosses right away. It feels more grand than it actually is, it's engaging.I wish they would have mixed up OOT and MM for the latter entries. TWW is fine but it simplified instead of expanding. Sometimes it felt even insulting how handholdy it became.A very shallow ocean that buried what came before instead of letting it rise.TP could have been it but it decided to be more theatrical than technical. NPCs and art direction wasted to a world where there isn't much to do and a very to the point main quest. Even tho you felt there were efforts, visible and inspiring yet they didn't suffice to save face.They decided to double down on the issue with Skyward Sword. Look at my orchestra soundtrack and cute love story, at least they made efforts with the dungeons and gameplay if you look past motion controls. They've been making overworlds look more empty than OOT's Hyrule Field.Breath of the Wild wasn't it either, terrible Mii system for NPCs that makes them forgettable and bland, with boring fetch quests aside from like three somewhat memorable ones that don't come close to anything OOT and MM had. No proper dungeons, no proper bosses. It's wide without depth.What could lie there? A boko camp with a bundle of 10 arrows.
>>729345470Nightreign, and it's shit.
>>729345362Koizumi hasn't done anything substantial game-wise either since Odyssey. He's now in movie and executive duty hell.
>>729340947What if majora put his dumps on the inside of the mask but you don't realize until you put it on. And that's why you go evil while wearing it and you can't remove it you just inhale and gradually get more resentful. Majoras Dumps.
>>729347140>it was his prolapsed anus the whole time
>>729347140So that's why Link screams when he puts on a transformation mask, they're full of foul smelly majora doodoo.
>>729340947Something like Majora's Mask can never be made again. There's no way you can develop a game of this scale in one year. Hell, even back then it was impossible. It was a challenge issued to the developers and they made it happen by simply abandoning their entire personal lives for a year.The entire game feels unfiltered as they had litle time to really decide on what could or should go. A lot of the content in the game reflects the developer's own personal experiences while working on it under those gruelsome work conditions. From "You met a terrible fate" to the mask salesman being Miyamoto (who ordered them to make the game in under a year) and the whole concept of impending doomsday at a set time. A lot of the NPC sidequests were also based on the developer's experiences.This game is actual art. You can feel the souls of all the people that worked hard on it for that time encapsulated in it.
>>729340947if you're nintendo why as a company take a risk instead of just putting out some bullshit you know will sell well? there's less incentive now than ever before for a giant corporation like nintendo to be bold and release something that could risk alienating people and cutting into their profits.
>>729347569Just scopemin and spend less so there's less risk.
>>729347569Ubisoft's downfall will be their warning
>>729345120do you seriously spend more than one cycle in the dungeons? i understand going back to hunt fairies but it shouldn't take you more than that to beat one boss
>dancing native american bossNutendo would NEVER
>>729340947I've never been a zelda guy, but i prefer to do things at my own pace, and the timer, while fitting for the themes and atomsphere (which are very good at the high points of the game) don't make it as good for me personally. MM is good, but out of all the traditional 3D Zelda games, it's the only one I'd say isn't for everyone.
>>729347953Remember that you are the 5% who can envision the apple.How many normies do you thing walk into Great Bay temple completely blind at 8pm on Night 2 and are freaking out about rewinding the clock 15 minutes later?
>>729340947Nintendo mandate. They'll never let an experimental game like this come out again
No one ever talks about Link's Awakening Remake on the Switch 2 with the improved 60 fps 1080p patch. It's pure gameplay from start to finish and while it's about half the length of other Zelda games, it's the best in pure gameplay terms of all the Zeldas, with also the best graphics.ALttP needs a remake
>>729341948>controls are awkward, the gameplay is pretty boringzoom zoom>>729342204>>729342375the poster isn't comparing it the OoT, retards. He's asking why people like the game, not why they like it more than OoT. The contrarian arguement only works when the comparison to OoT is present. The posters complaints apply to both Oot and MM>>729343314Shut the fuck up, egoraptor
>>729348343Because it costs sixty fucking american deutschmarks for a 50-year-old game.
>>729348343Did they actually fix the random slowdown that happens when you exit caves?
>>729347964Considering this released in 2015, aka the height of Tumblrism and when Treehouse was known for being censorious bastards, I'm honestly shocked in retrospect that Odolwa's design and chanting (and Woodfall Temple's theme) were among the few things that WEREN'T fucked silly for MM3D.
>>729348451Yeah. Everything is fixed. It runs purely smooth at 60fps
>>729347953I ran out of time at the forest dungeon the first time I played it.
>>729348343>that in-game artstyle>not allowing the D-pad to be used in a game with digital movement
>>729348343>with also the best graphicsThe game looks like ass. Half the threads on this board when it released was just about how ass it looked. They look like toys, with the entire screen covered in VaselineThe PC port of the GBC version mogs it in almost every way
>>729348419There is so muchFUCKINGWAITING
>>729342375>>729342204>i dont like it so everyone else must just be being contrarianism >they like MM, so that must mean they don't like OoTstop projecting
>>729342204>>729342375>OoT betterThe point is the industry doesn't/can't do asset flip sequels any more where you recontextualize existing work and make it feel unique. MM is awesome for the transformations, for not rehashing Zelda/Ganon for the umpteenth time (like LA), and the masks/transformations are fun.
>>729348343I prefer the original or DX version desuLess is more
>>729348525still pisses me off. theres so many items/mechanics in the game that allow you to bypass the "waiting"
>>729348343I'm seriously toy-boxed out, after seeing them do the same thing to BDSP I started to hate it.I like the original 2D look a lot too, I wouldn't mind an improvement in graphics but the style feels way to different.
>>729348514This port is Godlike, and the fact it's only a few megabytes and uses zero system resources whatsoever is insane. You could run this port on anything.
>>729348645nani?
>>729348525Jesus Christ he looks old and rough. Is this what hanging out with jews, trannies, and a literal witch will do to a guy?
>>729348503>>729348514>>729348576>>729348586>>729348605I just don't agree. But to be honest I think I'm just done with /v/. I don't agree with the denizens of /v/ on almost anything but it can get addictive to waste time arguing with people who don't like good games like Link's Awakening on the Switch. I have my opinions and I think it is a step up from the original Gameboy game. It was gameplay from start to finish that when compared to BotW shows how much wasted time is found in the newer Zeldas. The entire world of LA is built like a Metroidvania, where one small thing can unlock something else. I think LA on Switch is the definitive Zelda experience so far and I would recommend it to anyone over any other.I think I'm leaving /v/ to do my own thing and keep my own opinions to myself. What I do here means little and has little effect on modern slop. Tendies don't speak loudly enough about bringing back F-Zero and Star Fox and Wario platformers.To be honest, on /v/, Tendies have very little presence.
>>729348343>ALttP needs a remakeThat's a monkey paw and you know it.People were mad about the cheap plastic toy look for Link's Awakening. You cannot imagine the fresh hell they would unleash on ALttP in order to "innovate" the "dated" look.Link's Awakening at least had the wacky smacky dream island schtick as a crutch. ALttP is supposed to be a more realistic in art and tone according to illustrations and what we see in game, being held back by technology of the era.There's no way in hell they'd do something like put the King of Hyrule's skeletal remains on his throne like they did in the original.
>>729348219Carly sexo
>>729348886imagine typing up this bitchfit manifesto because people insulted your first zelda game lmao
>>729340947this game was made because one nigga said he could better and then they let him try, that doesnt happen anymore, every game is pitched by people who just want money, managed by people who have never played a video game, and made by people copying the flowchart they learnt at university
>>729348886Unsub me from your blog on your way out.
>>729348886LA is one of my 2 favorite Zeldas but I will probably just keep playing the GB version. I actually do like the new visuals tho
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>>729344920The difference being in Majora's mask you can't go straight to the end and best the game instantly if you already know it Outer wilds can't be replayed, MM can.
>>729348963It wasn't my first Zelda game. People on /v/ just always have dogshit opinions. You think you know how to make a game better than Nintendo. They probably tried hundreds of different art styles to remake LA, and all of them looked like dogshit (like you) until they finally settled on the toy look, which was expertly crafted. We will never see the best days of Nintendo ever again, and it is all due to your dogshit opinions you come up with on the internet with your Twinkie cream stuck on your thin beard and double chin. Or is that your bf's cum?
>>729349083this game feels like shit to playit is nothing like a real 2d zelda
>>729346150i know enough about tembo the badass elephant and little town hero and especially pokemon to say pretty confidently that gamefreak also has an ability problem
>>729343234Tears of the Kingdom?
>>729345895>OoT on his xboxWhat the fuck man
>>729343986>>729343924>>729344081Has anyone ever gotten ALL the mask without a guide?Is it even possible?!My kid self used a guide and even now as an adult i dont think it was possible back then as 2 or 3 of the mask were damn near impossible to merely stumble across
>>729349114Sure, but your first (and only) playthrough of Outer Wilds is still amazing
>>729340947>Why can't Nintendo create another Zelda like [x]Because Aonuma got too much undeserved credit for the earlier games and was given full creative control over the series going forward
>>729349134Strongly disagree. The item renting gimmick was shit, yeah, but ignoring that and just buying the items between dungeons, the game was incredible. Probably best in the franchise for me behind LTTP, maybe even better than LTTP, neck and neck anyways.
>>729349167yeah i got them all as a kid without a guide just from exploring and stalking npcs
>>729349165I'm assuming he's referring to how you can use emulators and shit on modern Xbox consoles without hacking by using some sort of developer mode.
>>729349120>make a game better than Nintendo.>They probably tried hundreds of different art styles to remake LAGrezzo remade Link's awakening, Nintendo just published it. You stupid faggot.If you're going to leave, leave. Don't stick around and piss and moan like a woman.
>>729346821>What could lie there? A boko camp with a bundle of 10 arrows.Easily my biggest problem with botw, and totk made it even worse
>>729349167When I was a kid I had to get them all without much help, but it took some two weeks.I guess it would be hard, but the Bomber's notebook handles most of the stuff you would need to remember.
>>729349167Yes. You severely underestimate players when you view it through the lens of childhood ignorance.It's not THAT esoteric when you stop and zoom out a little. The game also isn't that vast to where you couldn't feasibly run through a list of outlandish options.
>>729343234OoT is definitely not as good as majora's maskthe towns lack atmosphere. the story is worse. the items are worse. one is just the hookshot but longer. puzzles are moon logic
>>729349256Shut the fuck up you goddamned retard. The Jap OG bug men hover over their other contracted bug men. That's how MP4 happened for better or worse. You don't even deserve a full explanation because you are literally too retarded to even have a rational conversation with. Your brain doesn't analyze and understand things quickly. To make you understand things from different perspectives takes months or years --- that's why governments studied memes. You have shit opinions and governments and private coordinated groups come here to fuck with you. I'm leaving and not taking the bait. You have garbage trash opinions and that's why they come here to make bait threads
>>729349531You already took the bait you overly emotional homosexual.
>>729349576Weird faggot. Do the right thing and just be normal
>>729349610I thought you were leaving? Or do you need a tampon for the road?
>>729349387https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OF1SGXBxAk>ywn hang out in the Milk Bar without a care in the world
>>729341737And yet modern pea attention span gamers are perfectly ok with an actually frustrating clunky combat souls like slop.
>>729349661ill take 2
Can you even imagine a modern game review for a game like Majora's Mask?>While initial impressions were positive, we encountered a scenario where an old lady delivering bombs was robbed. While we waited patiently for Termina authorities to come and negotiate with him, he got away after only a few seconds, never to return the lady's belongings. To make matters worse, we witnessed a child mere feet away using a firearm on a nearby balloon. It's highly cryptic (and often triggering) scenarios like this that force us to give the game a 2.8 out of 10. Too many clocks.
>>729343580anon, people get stressed out by the timer in ATELIER games. that's not even a real timer mind you its a calendar system like persona where each action costs you a number of days. You have all the free time in the world to plot out your actions, and people STILL get stressed. People straight up see the word "timer" and shut their brain off and start crying.
>>729341948Its not my fav but probably because its a kids game with very mature topics and it confused the fuck out of people in a good wayIt was unheard of back then and the nostalgia multiplier makes this 10x worsePeople crave things they cant completely understand and games open to interpretation where you can theorize
>>729349167anon, the game world isn't that big, and the bomber's notebook tells you what time you need to act to get all the sidequests, so its just a matter of figuring out what you need to do. The only "hard" one to figure out is the wedding mask because the window for the bandit guy's hideout is so small.
>>729349985>this reviewer made it to Snowhead, and couldn't progress any further due to the game being too cryptic, like when Darmani asks you to heal him>using the red potion doesn't work on him, and there's no NPCs that tell us what to do>I had to assume it was a softlock and quit the game there, 3/10
>>729341068>a timerthat you can reset at any time and that you obviously have soft checkpoints that shortcut your way through the important parts of an area>pre-dungeon, dungeon, post-dungeon
>>729350347people don't care anon, they see timer and get stressed out, they're too stupid to explore the game mechanics for themselves to find out its not a big deal.
>>729340947Why do you contrarian faggots fellate this OoT DLC so fucking much?
>>729341948at the time, the kind of person who held the opinion that majoras mask was a better game than OoT read and wrote articles about the phallic symoblism of the architecture and nature of arabic hymns in dungeon musicI shit you not
>Bro this asset flip DLC for OoT is so good! It's the best Zelda game ever made!>Uhh TotK was asset flip DLC dogshit bro. One of the worst Zelda games ever made.Why are trannies like this?
>>729349985>Too many clocks
>>729340947because the creators don't understand what they made and don't like it
>>729350714One of those games made a whole new game with the assets.The other made the exact same game.Take your meds and study your Quran.
>>729350714>>729350467>asset flip DLC gives a brand new adventure, in a brand new world, with innovative new mechanics and gameplay, while not sacrificing what makes Zelda a zelda game>made in half a year>asset flip DLC, TOTK, is garbage that completely destroys its own mechanics by slamming a million things into the game all at once>building vehicles completely ruins the idea of traversing the land, letting you rush to ganondorf ruins the point of exploring and adventuring, the world is just a shallow copypaste of BOTW>took 6 years
>>729340947Why do you conformist chads fellate this OoT sequel so fucking much?
>>729350762This is what makes the most sense. They did a six month Japanese salaryman death march 23-hours-a-day nothing but ramen noodles and beer and when they were done they said "What the fuck is this, this is terrible, just ship it and let's pretend it never happened."
>>729350796>made a whole new game>>729350849>made in half a yearthis is your only valid point, contrarian tranny
>>729350762The 3DS remake of it exemplify this on full display.They don't even understand the basic reasons and mechanics of why they originally designed things the way they were. "Modern game design" brainrot had already taken hold and they used it to infect the original with things like giant eyeball weakpoint phases, broken Deku movement, getted Zora swimming, etc.Putting the original Majora's Mask next to the 3DS remake is a perfect example of why creators don't understand their own work.
>>729350898One thing I don't see enough complaints about is the stupid fishing minigame they added in. In OOT there were at least tangible prizes for catching a big fish, but in MM3D it was literally just bragging rights.
>>729350894This anon is literally defending TotK, I think he got lost on the way to Bluesky
I wager because of Majora's Mask, the Zelda team or rather Aonuma will never develop a game with such a short dev time, and I think that's really what the team needs, taking five-six years for the next title isn't going to cut it anymore. Pressure creates creativity.
>>729351009I'm a nazi actuallyTotK is the best Zelda game and I loved OoT and MM
>>729351023I imagine part of it is that it's not a rag-tag group of young japs finding camaraderie in pressure and misery. Late night, low sleep idea sessions. Brief respite in having a quick meal at the same hole in the wall joint each night while someone explains his new feature or quest. The actual desire to please and prove themselves.Now it's just a bunch of tired salarymen going through the motions. Coloring in the lines. Looking for that promotion. Following those safe instructions handed down from the board meetings last week.You'd need new blood with a fresh drive. But Nintendo has become so safe and sanitized and paint-by-number, that fresh blood is just another cog in the machine of open world slop, or remake hell.
>>729351353LoZ has always been/wanted to be open world you dumb fucking shitskin
>>729351486And you've always wanted to be loved. Yet here you are thinking about brown people on a mongolian basket weaving forum for homosexuals.Guess you don't always get what you want.
>>729350124>>729349337>>729349314>mfw never used the bombers notebook and simply played and enjoyed the gameHOLD UP.... this whiole time the bombers notebook was actually supposed to be used?!Damn...old games really didnt hod your hands and gave you a freedom that new shit doesnt.I remember the game mentioning the notebook shortly at the beginning after you beat the little hide and seek game, but the game doesn't force you to use it much.What a great game and still def in my top 10
>>729351486Not as it's defined today, as in Metroid Prime 4, as it BototK>giant open nothing field in the center of dungeons
>>729351569>What? There's a map in Metroid? Zamn vros I just ran around until I found something!
>>729351574Wind Waker is literally the same
>>729349387>OoT is definitely not as good as majora's mask>the towns lack atmosphere. the story is worse. the items are worse. one is just the hookshot but longer. puzzles are moon logicTHISSSSSSSSSMajoras mask is such a lively hub world with personality compered to OOT that it makes you wish the game didnt have a time limit becasue of how much more fun the the overworld is in Majoras mask.>used to love swiming around the bay with the zora mask and messing with the gerodu pirates and trying to solid snake mode around while swimming at max speedMajoras Mask interactive hub world still hasnt been topped by any other zelda game as far as im concerend.Majoras mask makes OOT seem like a dead empty lifeless world and this also applies to BOTW
>>729351702Except there's things to do all throughout the ocean that aren't copy-pasted bokoblin forts with 30 rupees in them.
>>729351826>that aren't copy-pasted bokoblin forts with 30 rupees in themyeah like hauling up the 50th treasure chestLMAO
>>729351637READ AGAIN!The game never forces you to use the notebook and you can easily beat the game without ever opening it or even bothering to get all the mask.The bombers notebook is practically optional
>>729351881Like a unique island in every quadrant of the map you dumb baboon
>>729349083>A Link Between Rentals
>>729352558>unique island in every quadrantdelusional freak
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>>729352558LOL NO ANON He is right and you are wrong.Had wind waker has the same lively world that majoras mask had it would easily be one of the best zelda games ever made.Wind waker is basically OOT except in the ocean.DEad ass open world with nothing to do in it.What we got>vast empty sea with bokoforts>cool empty ghost ship with NOTHING INSIDE>nothing to do in the FUCKING OCEAN like swimming and divingWHAT WIND WAKER SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE PLAYERS>Ghost pirate ships with the same skull soilders from Ikana castle in majoras maskas bosses in the pirate >diving in the water for treasure >sharks and other predators in the vast ocean >kraken boss somewhere in the world like DAvy jones in pirates of the carribean>lively little port towns in the ocean as lively as the clock tower town in majoras maskYes i know.... im a genius and fixed Wind Waker
>>729353152The Ghost Ship definitely should've been a mini-dungeon like it was in Phantom Hourglass.
>>729353152Also, no water zora in the ocean?Imagine getting some sort of mask or item that lets you swim around in the vast wind waker ocean like in majoras mask with the zora mask.Fun for days and you could travel by boat or by zora swimming mechanic
>>729348343I emulated it, it was fine, but it was funko pop zeldaI hated the style so much, and still do
>>729353340...anon, there's an actual plot point as to why there aren't any zora in the ocean, let alone being able to swim in the ocean.
>>729353283Wind waker is as much of a let down as BOTW was!Just wasted potential all over the place and even i admit BOTW could have been the GOAT of all Zelda games, but sadly they dropped the ball like they have been doing since majoras mask
>>729353480I know , but still being in the ocean and not being able to swim when Wind wakers predecessors all had water dugeons that require you to swim and explore the ocean/lake is a HUGE let down of player/fan expectations.When their is water you instinctively think of exploring the underwater in ANY AND ALL games!NO EXCEPTIONS!
>>729353152It really is a damn shame that Wind Waker was full of wasted potential. It's even more cruel that Nintendo had a chance to fix it with the HD remaster, yet they never did.
Is this the contrarian thread? Mario fuckin SUCKS!
>>729353636>Wind wakers predecessors all had water dugeons that require you to swim and explore the ocean/lake is a HUGE let down of player/fan expectations.I will give you that; Zelda's first 3D game had everything and then some. Even underwater movements with the iron boots was pretty top-notch. I recently realized just how much Ocarina of Time added. I speak as a Wind Waker fan; it needed more. If they couldn't do underwater exploration, they could have expanded the islands. At least one more big populated island and more to do in Hyrule. Screencap isn't my post, but it's a step in the right direction.
>>729352798I know it was mostly just his team spreading its own wings, but some of the bosses and puzzles of Bananza make me wish we had him back. Pauline also takes a massive shit on all of Link's companions since the n64 days.
>>729353917I'm not sure if it was limitations of the technology at the time, but vast underwater exploration should easily be doable in a Zelda game by now.
>>729354114Add insult to injury, it tells you how much Wind Waker stands out with TotK, no fishing, no underwater traveling and very little water to traverse in given how big the map is. Now everyone wants a game where you travel the ocean and go underwater and stuff. Majora's Mask literally perfected it with Zora Link. Even a fake leak went into detail with it (pic related, tldr warning) and I've wanted a true Wind Waker 2 for years. PH and ST are great, but they didn't scratch that itch hard enough.
>>729340947Coz they only make 1 game per generation and outsource everything else.
>>729341068>>729341104Is it just about having a timer of sorts on screen? Or is there just not enough time in 1 cycle? Because I think 3 hours per cycle is a lot. I usually barely even had 3 uninterrupted hours to play a single player game outside of weekends back then.
>>729340947It's too scary for the modern tendie.
