RAM price has stabilizedNo more increase
NOO I JUST BOUGHTED
>>729356905Zoomers already jumped ship
doomp it
AI demand only started existing in October 2025 you fucking chudDid you know they intentionally destroyed and stopped production of food during the Great Depression, to artificially lower supply and raise food prices?The US government even made it a lawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act
>ddr5>32gb kits>6000mhzthis is like looking at s1mples factory new dragonlores that he personally shoved in his tight asshole
>>729356905So when this ai nonsense all dies will the price go back to pre explosion or only like halfway there?
>>729356905Price has stabilized because stock is sold out
>>729357289Prices never go down that's deflation and you don't want that you fucking chudLearn mainstream western economic religion
>>729357083>anon learns about farm subsidies
>>729357289>whenthe jews are pumping stupid amounts of money at the biggest information race there ever has been, it's a useless pile of shit for the common person but governments and kikes see it as control of the internet
>>729357289haha nowelcome to the new normal
>>729357392I don't think there's still subsidies where the US government pays farmers NOT to farm, or to destroy food.There's no excuse for that to ever happen and it did.It still happens in other sectors though, DRAM manufacturers intentionally cut production to save on costs and raise prices, whiskey makers are intentionally cutting production instead of lowering prices...Capitalism is just fucking retardedChina system says "more supply? lower prices? good".Capitalism says "more supply? lower prices? bad, this is a supply glut, this is deflationary, this is bad for bottom line, we need to stop production".
>>729356905Artificially inflating prices. Just wait
>>729357653no, those farm subsidies still exist.
>>729357289The reason RAM prices went up is that there's only like 3 different companies that produce it at scale, they all got massive purchase orders set for the next few years worth the better part of a trillion dollars from OpenAI and couldn't say no to it, but none of these companies actually believe the money will come through and that OpenAI will crash and burn before the payments are due.So none of them are willing to increase capacity to keep RAM prices where they currently are since then once OpenAI fucking dies they'll be left with massive amounts of overproduction which drives down pricing.You might think the eventual catastrophic price crash is thus inevitable, but unfortunately a concerningly large part of the western economy is heavily invested into the AI circlejerk bubble. Major investment companies and pension funds buy the biggest stocks either directly or via indexes, and they're now heavily dependant on the value of companies like Nvidia saying unrealistically high.This means that once OpenAI goes bust and is unable to pay for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of RAM, the entire world economy will go bust in a way that makes 2008 look uneventful so you won't be able to afford new RAM anyways.
>>729357653next era of big tech is basically just corporations throwing cash at other corporations
>>729357760thats this erathats what AI tech corps are doing RIGHT NOWtheyre throwing money at shell companies that have other tech companie's investment while also taking millions in bailouts, big beautiful bill just enabled them to do this, it was fast tracked
>>729357948well yeah that's what i was saying, it's simply the start of that era of these kike companies just throwing money at each other and thriving from milgov spending
>>729357752>the entire world economy will go bust in a way that makes 2008 look uneventful so you won't be able to afford new RAM anyways.Actually things become more affordable when this happens, like houses became way more affordable after 2008These economic collapses are only "bad" for people who "own things"Bad for people who own property; good for people who want to afford a houseIn capitalism, a "housing crisis" is when homes become cheaper and more affordableBad for people who own stocks; irrelevant or a buying opportunity for people who don'tBad for people who benefit from selling products because of lower prices; good for people who want to buy things at lower pricesThe entire capitalist "economy" is setup where the interests of the "owners" is diametrically opposed to the interests of people who own nothing and have to work for moneyYou remember the Chinese Evergrande thing? This was intentionally caused by the government because they didn't want capitalist house speculation, and the western media acted like cheap affordable housing for everyone was a "housing crisis" and a bad thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houses_are_for_living,_not_for_speculation
>>729358017you are a fucking retard
>>729358017>Evergrande>Didn't want capitalist speculationSo why do you depend so much on capitalism and why are you facing crushing deflation while also dealing with a 0.7% inflation rate?You need to be a member of Chinese State Media or an official to post outside the chinese firewall. Fuck off, wong.
>>729356905Stabilize this. *uncorks foreskin*
>>729358017Most people who own houses aren't rich. Homeownership is something like 80% in Norway, and average income is like $60k.
>>729357289It totally depends on the big companies. If the demands is lower than expected they can get JUST a little cheaper. Don't expect a huge difference tho, these greedy fucks know they have a monopoly and they don't give a fuck about being fair
>>729358124>deflationThis is one of the biggest proofs that capitalism is a fucking retarded systemWestern mainstream economists believe prices going down is bad, "deflation", they instead dream of a system where we have 2% inflation a year but wage growth outpaces it, forever and ever.So you need food to live right? Well that literally doesn't matter, western economists would believe that an abundance of food, driving prices down, would be a bad thing.They criticize China for this, claiming their efficient production leading to abundance and lower prices, is causing "over-capacity", "supply gluts", and uncompetitive conditions for western corporations.It's kind of a deranged way of thinking these people have, where the end goal isn't making human's lives better, but making economic numbers better at the expense of humans.
>>729357653>I don't think there's still subsidies where the US government pays farmers NOT to farm, or to destroy food.No, it is absolutely normal to pay farmers to destroy food even today. They do it in most of the western world. Fact is western farmers produces far more food than is needed.
>>729357289>when this ai nonsense all dies will the price go back to pre explosion*laughs Jewishly*
>>729357289data centers don't sell their parts. consumer manufacturers already stopped selling to us goyim. prices will never go to where they used to be
>>729358017It's a retarded take. Like sure I agree about the part where the poors don't care and aren't that affected because they don't have shit to begin with, often partially or fully depending on the gibs and money printing from the government. But the elites who "own things" are rich and powerful enough to profit from crashes, as they divert their shares before shit hits the fan since they got insight and often literally dictate the stock market. The real ass fucking that you oh so celebrate happens at the middle class level, which I suppose is the whole story of the Western downfall in the last 30 years.First time buyers who suddenly lose big part of their equity while being stuck with mortgage, people who try to invest for some retirement because the government's pension isn't enough to even be called livable. People with above minimum wage as they never get a significant raise without changing jobs, but pay most of the taxes and get fucked the most with every price inflation by companies recuperating their quarterly losses, usually caused by govs printing money and boosting the minimum wage for elections etc.
>>729358561>could give that food to people and pay farmers all the same>no we must destroy it because reasonsdisney villain tier evil
>>729356905it's nearly like the whole shortage thing was fake and fabricated to "excuse" a prise increase.
>>729358771Shalom!
>>729357289>So when this ai nonsense all dies will the price go back to pre explosionLmao no.
>>729358879 Exactly. The moment cloud providers started hoovering up every chip on the market and locking in supplier contracts for years, it was over for us. Consumer-tier hardware is now just repurposed enterprise leftovers priced like luxury goods. You’re not getting $60 32GB kits again unless the entire AI industry faceplants so hard it makes the dot-com bubble look like a speed bump. And even then, they'll just use the chaos as another excuse to "restructure" pricing models. Goyim tax permanent.
>>729357083>The Act created a new agency, the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, also called "AAA"AAA, huh. Kind of like AAA games. AAA games that have recently had terrible performance for fairly artificial reasons.>>729358017People who own things get bailed out or were never risking their own money.You are the family whose breadwinner just bet and lost everything on horse races, nothing is going to be more affordable for you.
>>729359584>just spend billions shipping it to other continents, bro
>>729359584>disney villain tier evilYou're a child, yes.
>>729361340>>729361972Nobody talking about shipping it out though? I am pretty sure if you offer people free veggies and grain some will come to get it or you can offload it to humanitarian non profits and make it their problem, fucking anything is better than just destroying it.
>>729356905But will it stay up there or will it go down?
>>729358879>data centers don't sell their partsactually incorrect, there used to be a parrallel market for refurbished Facebook servers, but now it's dead because aserver from 2-3 years ago is just too shit compared to the new models (especially in term of consumption and heat) so it's not worth it to do it.But this might change if parts prices stays that high
>>729356905BUY THE TIP
>>729362756>just give people inedible food for free>if you don't, you're literally trying to starve the entire population because you're an evil-evil-bad-bad-evil-bad-bad-evil-bad!
>>729356998Zoomers were never PC gamers dumbass
it's fake shortage, we can produces hundreds of millions of RAM per year, we can't build enough datacenters to consume it all like that. It's just a price fixing scam because they have no competition anymore.
>i-it stabilized!well congrats! you now know the new price of RAM from here on out!only four times more than before the spike!
>>729361289>recentlyAnon, i..
>>729362919>supply and demand is a price-fixing scam
>>729356905How is this a good news?
>>729362872Isn't the point of supply and demand that price goes down if there's more supply. Let say the ram price stabilize and you start destroying ram to reduce supply and increase price. That'd be absurd. Let the market play out. Seems like the only time the government steps in is when the prices go too low. When the entire point of the system is that as progress is made shit gets cheaper and cheaper, which is encourages bigger and better things.
>>729362985>what is cartel>what is manipulationNice 1st grade understanding of economics retardhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal
>>729357289You think capitalism works in favor of the consumer in real life? LMAO
>>729366098>Seems like the only time the government steps in is when the prices go too lowElites benefit their own interests over others, how terrible. Clearly we need democracy to fix this! Wait, we already have that? Well, clearly we need MORE of it!>>729366187>>what is cartel>>what is manipulationWords that you don't know the meaning of but sound scary, so you use them to describe any hierarchy you don't like because it worked on you once.
>>729366369>Well, clearly we need MORE of it!Oh you thought I was saying the government should step in to keep prices low. No, that happens naturally. Therefore, We should taxes, all politicians, and government
>>729366712>Oh you thought I was saying the government should step in to keep prices lowOh, you don't recognize sarcasm.>We should taxes [sic], all politicians, and governmentWho the fuck is "we"?
>>729366712>that happens naturallyIn theory only.
>>729366098>Let the market play out.Letting the farmer market that's vastly over producing food play out is a good way to make everyone starve.I'm not gonna tell you>THINK OF THE FARMERS!!!but if they can't afford to farm then everyone starves which is why this happens.Honestly the dairy/grain industry is the weird evil ones that spent a lot of money pushing the food pyramid and vitamin D "kids need to drink 100000 gallons of milk and eat 1000000 pieces of bread" shit despite it actually not being that good for you.
>>729362872>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVOLUTED SYSTEM OF PAYING FARMERS TO NOT FARM BECAUSE THEY FARMED TOO MUCH AND THERE'S TOO MUCH PRODUCE AND WE WILL STARVE IF WE HAVE TOO MUCH FOOD!>IGNORE THAT ALL THESE CONVOLUTED BULLSHIT SYSTEMS DID NOT EXIST IN THE PAST, AND ARE AN EASY WAY TO SKIM MONEY OFF THE TOP FOR IMMORAL GOVERNMENT ELITES BULLSHIT
>>729367195Your words, and no one else's.
>>729366654You'll never be a billionaire idiot
>>729367358Cut the horseshit fedboi. Nobody is falling for a literal jewish-economic-mysticism scheme.There wasn't niggas in the 1700's going 'shit, we better make fuckloads of food just to burn it! That makes sense!'They were busy making even MORE food because objectively MORE is better with food.
>>729367414Okay. And?>>729367423>There wasn't niggas in the 1700's going 'shit, we better make fuckloads of food just to burn it! That makes sense!'Right, and they're still not. You just can't imagine farmers throwing food away for anything other than cartoonishly-malicious reasons, even though (You) throw away milk that tastes the littlest bit "funny," because like all leftists since the 1770s, you're envious of those with Power over some great part of society. For them, it was the Monarchs; for you, it's the very system they built.>objectively MORE is better with foodUnless you literally make too much to sell. "Bruh, just give it away!" Right, since when did farming cost money anyway?
>>729367731>It's not jewish behavior to buy food for the purposes of destroying it, denying it's singular purpose as FOOD>OY VEY! THE HOUSING MARKET IS AT RISK OF COLLAPSE! BLOW UP SOME MORE HOUSES FOR SHEKELSTEIN!
>>729358017>houses became way more affordable after 2008nigga what
we truly live in a fucked up time. We are in the middle of a stock market boom, but for everyone below it's a depression. They say their is an impending bubble and everyone below them is like "it's gonna get worse?"
>>729357289lolyou will own nothing goyim
>Retard doesn't understand basic economics: the threadJesus christ education failed some people HARD.Yeah, you should also go to work for free! What are you greedy?Oh wait you don't have a job lmao.
>>729362985Supply was never a problem with ram. The datacenters aren’t even plans on paper yet.
>>729366654Yeah, let's go back to pre-democracy where royalty didn't exist and everyone was equal. Poor people and wealth divides didn't exist in the 1300s.Retard.
>>729367832Maybe don't agree to file somebody's taxes for 100 years as an accountant if you don't want to get back to the office and work for freeWhat are you, retarded?
video gamesguaranteed 500 posts
gaming PCs are such a scam, I'm glad I've never fallen into it, I'm gonna stick with playstation but only buying every 2 generations
>>729367940>i'm gonna stick with the platform that I have to pay Schlomo bergstein for multiplayer, despite already paying for internet>and I can't even unzip a file with it either lmao
>>729367785You can stop pretending you were ever critical of Jews before opposing Israel became the Current Thing™.>>729367858>let's go back to pre-democracy where royalty didn't exist and everyone was equalIs that what (You) think it was like? Because I know it wasn't.>Poor people and wealth divides didn't exist in the 1300sThey did. How did le hecking based and epic democracy fix it again? What's that? It didn't? Well, I'll be blown...
>>729362985Uh, yeah? Microeconomics has nothing to do with any industry that had extremely high barriers to entry.
>>729368045>Manipulating supply and demand is le good, goys!>You don't need the free market, let your betters decide that for you!
>>729368119Again, only your own words.
>>729367195I don't think we do, but farming is a very famine or sustenance industry. There is rarely any "feast" but catastrophic loss is inevitable. The point of subsidies is to make sure there is always more than enough food and that farmers have backstops. It's not hard to understand.
>>729367920Maybe don't agree to be a farmer if you don't want to work for free? Cmon, homeless people need food get back to your back breaking labor.Can't afford the property your farming on? Well lmao that's not my problem I'm busy counting how much money I made selling your property and converting it into homes, don't you know we have a housing crisis?Foods expensive now because no one wants to do this and would rather be the guy getting paid? Better go back to feudal serfdom.
>>729368151>>729368207>>729368234>IT IS NOT JEWISH TO MANIPULATE ECONOMICS, OKAY!? >LOOK, SURE WE DIDN'T DO THIS IN THE PAST AND EVERYTHING WAS OKAY>BUT THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO JUDGE JEWISH PRACTICES>I AM OFFICIALLY REPORTING YOU TO THE ADL FOR THIS TEXTBOOK ANTISEMITISM
>>729368326>manipulate economicsNo such thing. Economics isn't a real concept. It's literally a human construct.
>>729368326I guess as someone who posts whatever the fuck this is for free you don't understand why farmers would need money to run their farms.You don't even understand the fucking enemy, maybe do some research into GMO's and come back and we can have this discussion.
>>729368424Why can't you pay the farmers then distribute the food instead of fucking burning it?
>>729356905Anon it's december corpos preparing for q4. In jan we are fucking doomed.
>>729357653>Capitalism is just fucking retardedIt's not when it's not rigged to the point there's no competition.
>>729368464Because he's not the Government, and neither am I and neither are (You). No, more democracy isn't going to "fix" that, and neither will another bloody terrorist campaign like the 1770s.
>>729357653Casual reminder the average American is like 10 thousand dollars in debt.
>>729368464Because the govt doesn't make a return on the investment further increasing their debt at the cost of stabilizing food. If they're buying overly abundant food for $100 and burning half then selling the other half for $50 it's still better than flooding the market and now that $100 of food is worth $10.Who should eat that loss? The farmer can't afford to sell that food for what it's worth but it has a shelf life and the govt can't afford to buy it at a 90% loss instead of a 50%. Crashing markets are very bad for necessities because you can afford to stop making luxuries but you need to always be producing necessities.Also the govt does stockpile what it can it's why we have cheese caves lol.
>>729357752>they all got massive purchase orders set for the next few years worth the better part of a trillion dollars from OpenAIIt has nothing to do with OpenAI and HBM which makes up like 2% of world's RAM production, it happened because in October major Chinese manufacturer stopped producing DDR4 because of american sanctions, immediately creating shortage. It won't alleviate until Chinese manage to get their own lithography machines functional, which may take years at best and decade at worst.
>>729368684>Literal jewish babbleWe're tired of that bullcrap, write in English not hebrew you retarded talmudic fuck.
>>729357083Despite what you've heard about the Dust Bowl, high food prices and starvation weren't the big worries of the Depression.
>>729368795I'll keep it simple since your education failed you.Would you rather the govt burn your tax dollars on food that will rot anyway or burn the food?
>>729368867>Would you rather the government throw money into the money hole or just let some food rotMY DAD WORKED TWO JOBS TO THROW HIS MONEY IN THE MONEY HOLE, I AM NOT LETTING SOME PINKO FUCKING REDS STOPPING MY GOVERNMENT FROM THROWING MORE MONEY INTO THE HOLE!
>>729368923They're throwing money at keeping farming stable. You realize that right? Do you think the govt is making money off of this? It's what the government should be spending money on is keeping food prices stable. Weird that as soon as a certain president walked in all food prices immediately increased because they cut spending in retarded places and instead started spending on AI lmao.
>>729367858>Poor people and wealth divides didn't exist in the 1300s.Little zoomie was never taught about feudalism
>>729369105>2025 and we're getting people unironically suggesting we need to throw money into the money holeLol
>>729369278>Don't throw money into this money hole>Throw it into THIS money hole>No ones happy because RAM prices and Food prices shoot up>When it's finished the magic AI with all the answers will tell you that you shouldn't have done this
>>729357653they take only 2 biggest cities in china into account for that chart.
>>729357289Judging by grocery prices, the latter option.
>>729357289>ai>dieskek
>>729358879>prices will never go to where they used to beThat depends on the demand of products. If GPUs and RAMs sit rotting in a warehouse for a year, prices will go down no matter what. If the retailer still refuses to sell them, then eventually bankruptcy proceedings will auction them out by force.
>>729369639How much demand China has to generate for its EUV lithography machine which they paid for already to be delivered to them?
>>729369545You just lost thousands of social credit points. Don't spoil the narrative!
>>729369545China shills are retarded what do you expect. Just ignore the mental gymnastics you'd have to jump through that 1) a billion people would need to be making that much on average2) There are slum areas where people lived stacked on top of each other where everyone makes around 8000rmb($1000) a year.Over Half the population makes less than 1000 rmb a month which is part of how they keep them out of the cities because that's not even enough to rent a room in a major city.
>>729357289It's hard to say. Manufacturers are just straight up moving focus away from the consumer market. Micron blatantly exited and Hynix/Samsung are on the verge of doing the same thing. If that happens then prices are beyond fucked forever and it's basically the death of home building and ownership. Now if that doesn't happen even if we parallel this to all the GPU scalping, and the subsequent nonsensical price hikes from the companies themselves, we can't really look at those as a 1:1 correlation. We sit on RAM generations for years upon years. At most we get breakthroughs on higher mhz and tighter clock timings that fit the profiles of current CPUs but the price to performance ratio isn't ever really worth it, and if early adopting another generation of ram is anything like ddr4 to ddr5 was then you'd probably wait anyway. The prices should honestly crater down to something realistic but it's not going to ever reach the low points ever again. The only way that happens though is if companies finally get their special boy ram kits and they start selling off the useless gamer ram. Everything is far too sketchy and there's a good chance we're more unbelievably fucked than we realize right now.
>>729368684When extraterrestrial life finds this husk of a planet long after we're gone, the newspapers strewn about will reveal to them what led to our demise: the bean-counters that said salvation wasn't profitable.
>>729369961Nah 99% of those AI ‘startups’ will die in 2026 so the needs will also drop quicklyOnly big corpos like google could find real user cases to generate profit
>>729370041Are you going to go do back breaking farm labor for free? Please be the salvation we need, but everyone knows you won't because you're just going to complain someone else should do it because you're busy with your gacha dailies.
>>729370259>gacha dailiesI don't know what the fuck that is
>>729356932remember to sell low. that's the key to success
>>729370446The threads that gets spammed to the front page of /v/ everyday.At least make your LARP believable.
>>729357752why are they using my retirement fund to fund their bubbles? I want my money back
>>729358879>data centers don't sell their parts.Currently that's irrelevant because high performance / AI datacenter rigs use HBM memory architecture, not DDR.Completely different beast.For rough comparison, fastest HBM4 memory has roughly 30x the data transfer rate of fastest DDR5.There's no consumer grade motherboard capable of harnessing this.
>>729370612Because it's the best investment at the moment.
>>729370259Not him but what was stopping the government from just reselling the food they bought from the farmers at the same if not lower price rather than burn it? That way farmers still get to make money and the consumer gets more and cheaper product, no?
>>729362890they're more PC gamers than any previous generation
>>729371473Because it's flooding the market. The food also doesn't stay good forever it just rots which is why they just burn it.Also how is the food getting anywhere? Who's paying to transport it?People just see their burning food and knee jerk when they're burning food that would go to waste anyway when they're getting rid of it because they can't actually do anything with it.It's not like they're not donating it to food banks/homeless sheltters(They are). It's just easier to get rid of a lot of it then let it rot because they can't make weekly deliveries since they're buying large harvests in bulk.
>>729357289Of course, just like graphic cards went down after the mining craze
>>729358218and how does housing becoming cheaper negatively affect home owners?
>>729367989it's 7 bucks a month and you get 3 games for free, there's no excuse, you poor sudaca nigger
>>729371905It's not as if we don't currently have dogshit transport methods that cost a shit ton of money but we keep around because it gives people jobs. It'd be a lot easier to just have trains everywhere but we still use trucks don't we? Even then you could still sell it to local chains for cheap and let them deal with it or set up a temporary shop. Or just give it away too since the farmers were already made whole by the goverment stepping in.Even letting the food rot would be better since you at least get compost there rather than just ashes
>>729372628A lot of problems with these places as well is that they can't just have the govt dump 10000 lbs of food on them where can they store it? Can they refrigerate 1000 lbs of food? It's why food banks need canned shit and non-perishable goods with long shelf lives, should the govt now also can the food? The goal was to stabilize the food supply and we've gone far from that now.Again if I dump a million lbs of food on you and it goes bad in a month what are you doing with it?They're burning the shit they can't do ANYTHING with and they're just paying to transport it somewhere else to fucking rot.
>>729357289Have new GPU releases fallen back to pre-covid hysteria prices? If not, why do you think it would be the case for RAM? The same market conditions as for GPUs exist: very few players having a complete stronghold over the market. They will just keep reducing supply and inflating the price.
>>729357289Unless it crashes and burns, no.
>>729357289name one instance of prices going down to their "previous normal" after inflating
>>729371973stop being boomerphobic
>>729357289Covid made car prices skyrocket, and they're still stupidly high.So no, the high prices will stay. The whole point of this shit is to introduce "a new normal" with some shitty excuse, and then when the excuse dies people will forget about the old normal
>>729371932Stop it Ryza, why are you looking at my 8GB of DDR4 like that...
