hehe funny runescape font

SoD exists so clearly it is possible.

Considering every single autistic retard has a different idea of what "le banilla plus" means your gay youtuber/streamer/e-boyfriend is right this time (broken clock et all).

>>729363358
I agree, I just don't see how it could work long term, let alone how modern Blizzard can pull it off

We already have Turtle WoW

That said the custom content is complete ass and they didnt learn anything from Vanilla. Its kinda fascinating really, i was wondering how hard it would be to make your own custom instances or so.

Take WoW Alpha
Finish it without removing and dumbing down systems
Done

>>729363708
Rework the whole game? huh? Alpha didnt have even classes lol

>>729363708
>xfaction gameplay with no PvP
I thought you retards hated that.

>>729363358
Bronzebeard classic would be the best example of classic+ if it werent for the mods and devs

>>729364075
actually turtle is the best example of classic+ if it wasn't for the godawful 1.12 client

>>729363358
>>729363523
Classic Plus would not be very good because Classic is not very good.
SoD WAS Classic Plus and it wasn't popular enough to maintain the experiment - they are trying again in China with the Titan servers where they have much more autistic people.

>>729364219
>is
was

Still mad about Epoch debacle, I knew it was going to be shit after the failed launch but I'm still mad.
At least the threads were fun, I hope they were legit anons and not bots.

>>729363671
>turdle
Not in a million years

>>729363358
>Expecting anything good from nublizzard
Obviously.

>>729363523
Wrong. Blizzard giving that project a skeleton crew despite its popularity shows why a proper Classic+ is impossible. Classic+ would have to be a passion project and there's none left in that hellish company.

>>729364271
I loved it for the time I played, it mostly fit my idea of what classic+ should be. Shame it ended the way it did.

>>729364482
>Classic+ would have to be a passion project
The shareholders and their passion for maximizing profits with as little investment as possible will carry the project.

>>729364319
Closest thing to Vanilla + we gonna get, sorry.
>>729364773
The thing is everyone has different version of vanilla in their head. Its why it wont ever happen 'truly'.

>>729363358
Classic+ is a pretty simple concept. Just finish all the zones, raids and dungeons that were planned for vanilla but didn't happen. Grim Batol, Uldum, Hyjal, Azshara etc.

>>729364482
Classic isnt popular

>>729365515
Hey bro you should know Cataclysm came out in like 2009, complete with zones like Hyjal, Uldum and Grim Batol

>>729365573
Yeah but i already hated the mechanics and class balance in TBC, and quit in early Wrath. I want all that content in vanilla WoW with vanilla WoW mechanics and classes. Yes, i don't want a car, i want a faster horse.

>>729363527
Seems pretty simple to me, I see the same ideas posted all the time, most people want something like turtle WoW but good.

>>729363671
Pay to win server filled to the brim with europoors, also 1.12 client lol

I really liked the level phases they did in SoD, it made the leveling short, allowed everyone to catch up and gave the game like 5 different endgames instead of one making the entire playerbase to focus on lower level content instead of rushing to max level and forgetting about everything else along the way. If it had even more content and got rid of that rune shit it would be really great.

>>729365882
>filled to the brim with europoors
I wish it was filled with Europeans, but amuttricans won't stop shitting up /world. >>729363671
Turtle is very overrated by it's players when in reality most of it's content goes from mediocre to trash with a few highlights.

>>729363523
SoD was retail minus

>>729365882
The client is far from 1.12, it has ingame radio and shit. I think you can customize it to look like WotLK anyway.
>>729366818
I think its overrated but its only way to play Classic+, which this thread is about. The custom content and items are not very good but at least most of the endgame is untouched which is a good thing.

>>729363523
SoD is exactly how they SHOULDN'T make Classic+

>>729365882
>Pay to win server
You can't buy levels or gold. Just convenient stuff like having a vendor you can summon or cosmetics

>>729363523
SoD was just classic with retail paint.

>>729363358
I want Classic+ but blizzard is a shithole company that doesn't care about the quality of their game as long as you pay a sub. It's going to be filled with bots and shitskin esls filling trade selling boosts 24/7 and a wow token slapped on to "combat gold sellers".
They've also shown what their classic+ is already with the classic+ they're putting in china because blizzard makes most of their money from china so it gets priority. It's just going to be wotlk but all end game vanilla and tbc content will be max level content.

>>729369578
The best thing Turtle managed to pull off is to have people constantly leveling alts (or maybe they are botting the early levels who knows) so there is always a feeling of freshness even after all these years. When you're late to a server, make a character and see the starting zones empty it's very doscouraging, while on Turtle they are always packed.

>>729366492
>I really liked the level phases they did in SoD
Everyone did
>it made the leveling short
Except when after lvl 25 they added all the fuckin bullshit that trivialized leveling almost ruining the game
>allowed everyone to catch up
Yes was fun until it was only 2 hours of grinding to current max level
>and gave the game like 5 different endgames
You mean gave them only 1 endgame that made pugging fucking horrible, only the first raid was fun, rest of it was suffering. Proof? Most people quit before lvl 60 again because there was nothing to do.
>making the entire playerbase to focus on lower level content
Yes I wish this would have been done better.
>instead of rushing to max level and forgetting about everything else along the way.
Until they did. In Phase 3.
>If it had even more content and got rid of that rune shit it would be really great.
I almost agree, but damn it felt too much like playing some fomo retail game, they should make it so you can change between level tiers and therefor actually add multiple endgames.

>>729370370
There was an endgame at every phase, a new meta every time depending on the skills each class got and the gear that dropped at that level.

Classic+ is not happening due to internal politics, obviously.
If we lived in an actual capitalist society, blizzard would make it because there is a demand for it. But we don't, so not hurting the feelings of the developers is more important than the customer.

>>729363523
SoD was my first entry in WoW and I really enjoyed it. Got me playing all of Classic and soon TBC.
WoW devs would need to pull off something truly magical to make me play classic content a third time.

>>729363358
Yeah it is.
It's called Burning Crusade.

>>729372937
Yea moving to an entirely self-contained space continent while leaving everything on azeroth behind is totally classic+
Flying mounts are so great!

>>729373304
Flying mounts dont matter when you have warlock portal bots everywhere anyway

>>729363358
It is because people don't understand wtf they're talking about when they ask for Classic+.
People think it's easy because "Just do what Runescape did", while just largely ignoring that that runescape is a singleplayer game where people don't gatekeep you from doing content because your gear sucks since you're always playing solo and there's literally no semblance of any identity to your character.

>>729372937
In hindsight TBC and Wrath were both complete fucking trash that ruined the original spirit of the game

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>>729366818
>Turtle is very overrated by it's players
Those aren't players they're literally fucking paid shills lmao.
https://github.com/brian8544/turtle-wow/tree/main

>>729373304
Yeah because the endgame in vanilla wasn't centered around one zone in front of a raid entrance per raid cycle and people didn't use the fly paths to travel there.
No, world buffs weren't used during original vanilla.

>>729374125
>shill on reddit
>ddos the competition
>literally the biggest banilla server
It's really that easy.

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>>729374334
>biggest banilla server
Wait, hold up there babushka.

just play turtle and ignore the internet drama surrounding it

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>>729374506
>Just ignore the drama and install our LITERAL RUSSIAN MALWARE
lmao, no.

>>729374463
I can't believe Shenna lied to me!

>>729374326
>ywn again have an hour long all out war just to get to the fucking raid entrance

>>729374050
TBC and Wrath were the best and most balanced versions of the game.
Classic was just warriorcraft with every other class being useless and 40 man raids are just a pain. The leveling was the only aspect of vanilla that was genuinely fun.

>>729373980
Make the gear that drops from solo content, pvp, dungeons and raids approximately the same power level so players can play the way they want instead of being funneled into those shitty raids. That's what osrs does.

>>729375105
>The leveling was the only aspect of vanilla that was genuinely fun.
Up until you hit the 30's/40's realize you won't have enough gold for a mount and stop playing because the leveling also slowed down to a slog while you get ganked by 60's running you down on mounts.

>>729364271
>>729364543
Can I get a quick rundown? I missed it completely.

>>729375531
the servers failed at launch and the dev team didnt survive the debacle so the whole thing was folded into another private server

>>729375392
But then why would anyone raid if they aren't being forced to raid?

Easy things that would make classic infinitely more fun.
>remove profession limits
>add heirloom gear
>add adaptive gear
>mining/herbing nodes are personal and there is no competition in the world for nodes
>add summonable dungeon quest givers
>add summonable skill trainers
>add thousands of new items

>>729375392
No it doesn't? There's literally raid exclusive drops that are BiS. The raids are just fucking easily soloable and the game is desinged in a way that you're not seeing your dps go from 8 to 9 so people don't care anyway since they're just AFK attacking shit by themselves 99% of the time.

>>729363358
It's impossible because the current dev team are filled with trannies and women.
What you actually want is
>Classic+ made by the original vanilla team

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>>729375531
Servers were DDoS'd by Turdle WoW and the devs just said fuck it we're not competing with turbo faggot jews running private servers like a business instead of a hobby.

>>729375704
If the raids are soloable then it's solo content anon

>>729363358
WillE-bros...it's over...

>>729375813
>>What you actually want is
>TBC
But TBC sucks.

>>729375845
Might makes right.
Should've had better servers, you lose!

you'll never get vanilla wow back
classic only did well when they first released it because it began just as china "leaked" a flu from one of their labs and draconian governments forced people to stay inside

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>>729363358
It's impossible because the trannoids and rainbow women and star wars cantina names working at blizzard nowadays haven't got the faintest clue what made wow good

0% of the people working at nu-blizzard had anything to do with the glory days of wow

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ascension and turtle wow are already doing what blizzard can't, which is why blizzard is seething about turtle, ascension is already too far from blizzard's grabby goblin hands

>>729375846
That's what I'm saying. Runescape is a single player game not an MMO. Comparing the two is retarded.
You have WoW where classes have weaknesses and strengths covered by other classes then you have OSRS where you're a jack of all trades that can do anything by yourself depending on how many gearsets you put in your inventory.

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>>729376076
The fact they're suing Turtle pretty much confirms they're working on Classic+. Will 99% be announced at Blizzcon next year.

If SoD is anything to go by, it will be a heap of shit tailored to retail mongoloids

>>729376076
>"retail minus" and "everything wrong with vanilla: the server"
I'm positive nu-Blizz can do these two.

>>729375584
Why make a game around things players don't want to do? If raiding is fun then people will do them, if not then fuck'em

>>729376252
sod was fun, would play it again
would also be hugely popular again, even better if more fleshed out

>>729376076
Honestly surprised TWOW hasn't caved. They're extremely based for not giving in to blizzard

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>>729376252
They're suing turtle because Turtle is retarded and botted their Youtube and Social media shit to the top of algorithms.
Blizzard wouldn't give a shit otherwise.

>>729376118
Yea maybe solo content is a bit much to ask for but smaller group stuff like elite quests and dungeons are peak WoW. They should design the game around those instead. That's actually the way the game was initially designed before they added raids last minute, small group content is more in the spirit of classic+ than massive raids.

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Playing official versions of WoW in 2025 has become the easiest way to get your 20 year old Bnet account banned.

Got name-changed twice during the first month of 2024-Classic, each time with a 1-week chat ban, for undercutting greater elixirs against bots.
Two different guildies got permanent bans that took 4+ weeks to even get a human being to look at and overturn, also because of mass bot reporting.
I'd like to play TBC but I think I would actually straight-up get perma'd trying to unload my bank alts before pre-patch.

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>>729375845
>this random discord comment is proof of a DDOS

>>729376720
The AH mass reporting is fucking insane, I knew 3 people who had been playing the market since fucking mop, banned within 30 days of tww launch.
Frankly it spooked me and pissed them off enough that we all quit, but I think housing brought enough people in that we don't matter anymore.
They have no incentive to remove bots, bots get them more money. Bots soak up tokens making them cost more, which means more people buy them because they're worth more gold, and less real players can get them meaning more people will just pay money direct instead of playing to pay. Similar to how runescape does it. I wonder if they picked that up from runescape honestly.

>>729376616
Problem with that is the lower the amount of people the easier you have to make the content and the faster most of the community will chew through it.
The difficulty in Gruul isn't spreading it's hoping the couple of retards in your raid KNOW to spread.

>>729375582
That's a really unceremonious end to years and years of preparation.

>>729376867
It's a leak from their private discord they use to develop the game lil bro.
https://github.com/brian8544/turtle-wow/tree/main

>>729363358
It's pretty sad that all the new stuff they created for SOD will eventually be gone forever.

Some of it was genuinely great, and I wish Blizzard had given them more budget.

>>729374050
Yeah, the original spirit of the game. Spending 2 hours running around, collecting random buffs that developers added as small, fun, temporary rewards to become absolutely broken and then clearing an entire raid in 40 minutes.

Just how I remember it.

>>729377052
Proof: your schizophrenic delusions

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>>729377052
do you genuinely think they have an army of DDOS bots ready to activate against the competition like a bond villain?

>>729376968
How fast players chew through the game all depends on how progression is designed, the weekly lockouts of raids is just an artificial time gate. They need a broader wealth of content, reputation grinds and alternative currencies to achieve this, much like how OSRS uses xp grind to pad out everything.

>>729377229
The servers source code is literally right there. Keep pretending to be retarded or whatever the fuck you're doing.
>>729377323
Do you really think DDoSing a small server in 2025 is hard? You just pay a tech support Indian $2 to go DDoSs some tiny WoW server with no DDoS protection.

Paid shills really be upset tonight. Like wasting Tech Support indians time sitting here arguing with me vs irrefutable proof lol.

>>729377556
>The servers source code is literally right there.
Proof?

>>729364773
So blizzard is just the gamefreak of mmos? They have a zillion dollars yet every version of wow feels like it's being worked on by a tiny team that does the minimum effort possible and abandons whatever they're working on halfway through to start some other project.

>>729377632
By clicking the link and looking at the source code. Do you just think someone just rewrote their entire source code? Or do you just not think LOL.

>the one pathetic blizzshill trying to shift public opinion with his ESL cope and trannycord screenshots
Donating another $100 to turtle wow because of you

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>>729377974
>I'm too stupid to verify if the source code is real or not posted from one of their old developers account.
>The server is also ran by people who don't give a FUCK about the community at all and only themselves and trying to force people to play on their server
lol?
https://web.archive.org/web/20240803015157/http://turtledump.com:42101/Final%20leak/README.txt

>>729378394
>TRUST ME BRO LOOK AT MY SCREENSHOTS BRO NO I CANT PROVE ANYTHING BUT JUST PLEASE TRUST BRO
nah, I'm good

>>729378579
>I'll just ignore the proof in front of me posted from someone that used to be on staff
We know Shenna.

>>729378394
That's not even from turtle wow, that's Elysium project lmao blizzshills mixing up their folders

>>729378394
Who gives a shit? They run only good server with big playerbase and dont force you to give them money.

>You have triggered the Turtle WoW shills into responding on cooldown
Yeah bro, the Crogge who owned Elysium is totally different from the Crogge who owns Turtle WoW.

>>729378892
KEK holy shit blizzard should deduct from his pay for that one

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GUYS HELP IM BEING DDOSED THEY GOT MY IP

>>729379230
>Won't be able to afford anti DDoS
Glad the WoW private server racketeering ring is still alive and healthy

TWOW hired a hitman off the deep web to shut down my server. Scary but true!

>>729379230
So Turtle WoW is just really DDoSing competing servers lol. Not that it wasn't obvious when the servers on Epoch would lag and several people in the world chat would just go "WOW FUCK THIS IM GOING TO GO PLAY ON TURTLE".

>>729378394
>he scammed chinese bot farms
how is this bad? just makes him look based desu

dont fall for the butthurt spergs and fake images
>>729379230
>>729379501

theyre autists hyperfixated bc something about turtle hurt their feelings

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>>729379563
Why would you play on a Chinese scamming server though?

>>729379230
>actually ddosing the competition
lol holy shit, how embarrassing of a dogshit server do you need to run. dont these guys make a ton of money cant they just use it to make the server good?

>>729379771
this larp is too blatant kek, it reads like an evil villain monologue to show you hes evil

>>729379850
Why do you keep replying to yourself?

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>>729379757
>NOOO THE IMAGES ARE FAKE THEYRE FROM DISCORD NOT OUR PRIVATE SLACK
>IM JUST GOING TO HOPE PEOPLE HERE ARE ALL NEETS WHO DONT KNOW WHAT SLACK IS
LoooooooL

>>729379771
It's free and all my friends play on it. We have fun doing dungeons and shit

>>729379941
fuck off no ones playing your shit server

>>729379501
While Shenna has DDoSed like a dozen servers in the case of Epoch the fault is on their incompetent amateur team using TSWoW to "vibe code" on an old and shitty core.

>>729380067
Yeah it was really weird that it would lag at exactly 5 pm everyday and the world chat would have 5-7 level 1's talking about how Turtle WoW doesn't lag. Must've been a weird vibecoding bug.

>>729380012
There isn't even a playable panda race in TWOW are you mixing up your images again shill-kun?

>>729366818
>YOU ARE AMERICAN MUTT DALIT SAAR
>I AM PURE EUROPOOR BRAHMIN YOU BLOODY BENCHOD
Nobody cares retard, plus the problem on TurdworldWoW are all the braindead chinks stealing everyone else's items and unable to communicate with actual humans

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>>729380180
>I read the image and try to not understand it as hard as possible challenge
Where does it say playable panda race? Why would you even think that? They are not sending their best shills lol.

>>729380307
It said panda quests, what else is that supposed to mean? You seem to just be spamming random images and half of them have nothing to do with TWOW lol

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Maybe WoW should shutter Classic and improve Retail instead of catering to endless variations of the old game just to spite Nostalrius and Turtle.

>>729380431
Unless they make it free then they can't compete with fan run servers. No one likes blizzard, they've lost all goodwill they once had

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>>729380381
>It said panda quests, what else is that supposed to mean?
Quests involving pandas maybe? Like the one with Chen Stormstout? Again, not sending their best shills.

>>729364232
>SoD WAS Classic Plus
Classic+ pre-alpha actually
playing devil's advocate, I think Blizzard always knew SoD wasn't "serious" and was going to end after their "test run" so they threw everything at the wall to see what the "community" liked.
for the most part the data should be good.
>infinite repeatable grinds
bad
>new gear sets, raids
good
>retail abilities
bad
>abilities that make dogshit specs viable
good

>>729380431
Turtle WoW sucks dick.
It's run by trannies that think they have a monopoly on what "the spirit of classic WoW" is.
Yes yes, adding an amateurish rendition of Gilneas is interesting. Tweaking the talents to be slightly better is... okay...
But there is no direction. It's random bullshit and shop rewards. I dont want to see the fucking flying rainbow just like I didnt want to see the celestial steed all those years ago.

>>729380764
>It's run by trannies that think they have a monopoly on what "the spirit of classic WoW" is.
So basically you're saying it's a Blizzlike server?

>>729370370
>Pugger
Opinion disregarded.

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>>729380910

>>729380764
Name a single other server where i can play as high elves in alliance. Fucking ascension couldn't even make unique blood elves starting scenario, nevermind zone, the are just dumped in the same crypt undead start in for fuck's sake.

>>729378394
>>729378892
OH NONONO... AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>729381056
>muh "alliance high elves"
>game is good when it has gimmick
90% of high elves got killed by Arthas.
99% of that remaining 10% became Blood Elves. Playable High Elves is fucking retarded. But OH TWoW """""""""respects the lore"""""""""""""""

>>729381056
who gives a fuck about ascension? another dogshit scam.
Classic is the only scam that lets me play WoW as it was.
Until someone makes an MMO that isnt dogshit that's the only option.

>>729381124
Why are you still responding to yourself?
Everyone knows Croggey owns Turtle WoW which was the whole point of posting it.
You're a retard if you thought that was about Turtle which is why I ignored you making yourself look like a retard the first time but now that you've tripled down lol.

buy an ad maye

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Just toggle walk bro

>>729381274
>Thinks everyone on 4chan is the same person
Blizzard aren't sending their best...

>>729381056
playable high elves are beyond retarded
garithos spit in their faces and 99% of them became blood elves
might as well allow playable uncorrupted black dragons there's probably more of those left

>>729381157
>OY VEY ARTHAS KILLED SIX GORILLION G*D'S CHOSEN ELVES

Sounds like a made up number. Arthas only killed those that impeded him and left as soon as he revived Kel'Thuzad. If throwing one old dead necromancer's corpse into the well is all it took for the high elves to suffer Columbian Exchange smallpox level death rate then maybe their race was doomed for extinction.

Having elves join forces with trolls, their ancient sworn enemy, because one mind controlled human did a heckin racism, was always far more retarded to the lore.

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>>729363358
the problem is everyone wants Classic+ to be something different. For me, I would want it to be the OSRS model. IE, no expansions. Ever. Just new singular pieces of content releases on their own. A new dungeon being launched would be its own piece of content, not tied to any expansion. Power creep would be slow and new gear would be mostly horizontal progression, but player would would slowly increase over time like it does in OSRS. I'd also like some class changes, including warrior nerfs at endgame, give paladin crusader strike and taunt, maybe change warlock a bit, etc... Additionally, carry over the 'no combat addons' stance that they're going with in Midnight, and fix some of the super long 'bugs' that have been in Classic forever.

But see I say all of that and I know I will get reponses from people saying "NOOOO YOU CAN'T NERF WARRIORS BECAUSE...YOU JUST CAN'T OK?".

>>729380141
>that it would lag at exactly 5 pm everyday
It lagged 24/7 once it hit 200 players. That also happened during their last beta. Was Shenna spamming who to activate and deactivate the DDoS on the 200 player mark? Are you legally retarded?

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>>729381318
They are but it's not working. They NEED to shill too.
>>729381389
It says at the top self.Elysiumproject. Did you seriously think I was insinuating it was from Turtle or are you just pretending to be retarded now that you've been called out since I was obviously posting it to shit on Croggey for fun :). I'm sure you remember posting it.

>>729381605
>ESL gibberish after getting BTFO
Many such cases!

>>729381492
>black or white either/or thinkinh
>either TWoW(TransWoW) is right for playable high elves or Blizzard is right for Horde Blood Elves
shut the fuck up

Name another free classic server I can play.
You can't?
Oh well I'll stick with turtle wow then.

>>729381672
>I can't properly respond because google translate made it into gibberish in Hindi
Very cool paid Indian shill.

>>729381769
Acension i guess but it is basically sod for all intents and purposes.

>>729381769
There's quite a few but they aren't as heavily shilled.
Try googling "WoW vanilla private server".
I would mention one but TWoW shills would go DDoS it for a week.

>>729381769
Azerothcore/Singeplayer Collection
There are bundled server packs you can download and run locally, host yourself, tune to your own liking and play at your own pace.

>>729381596
There were way more than 200 people on when Epoch launched and it ran fine. Just happened to hit the scheduled 5-6 PM Turtle WoW advertisement.

>>729382206
Bots aren't that good yet to fill in for npc player population, it also kills verisimilitude to load them every time.

>>729382297
>when Epoch launched
>ran fine
kek, bur even

Their vibecoded queue was basically DDoSing their own server. You're clueless and obviously you weren't there the release day.

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>>729382297
>ran fine

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>Private server gets slammed by DDoS
>Crogge randomly joins the server
>All they have to do is accept my "suggestions" like adding in a donation shop that I run
Is this just blatant racketeering at it's finest? Yeah, sorry your windows are getting broken everyday but have you considered letting me launder money here?

>>729382796
>Post screenshot
>Lie about what's in the screenshot
This is why everyone is laughing at you fyi

>>729381540
I agree, Classic+ should follow an entirely different design philosophy than the one they went with for retail, else we'll just end up with retail again which should be the opposite of what classic enjoyers want. The question is how to pad out progression enough to make it last without making it boring, OSRS has the exp grind so maybe the solution is making WoW even more grindy? Increase the xp required to reach 60 by 10x, add a bunch of new quests and dungeons to do to compensate. Maybe have level capped phases again like SoD or tie some progression to slow rep grinds or the economy? Finding a solution that is meant to last for a long time without pumping out expansions and increasing the level cap all the time is hard.

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>>729383069
>Lie about the screenshot
Weird that they stopped getting DDoSed after they added a cash shop that no one on the Dev team knew who ran that was completely identical to Turtle WoWs.

>>729383086
Seasonal servers like PoE/Diablo

>>729363358
>wanting classic+ from retarded california trannies

are you retarded or what? Like, why do you want a game from people who only made shit games for the past 20 years?

>>729383197
>who ran that was completely identical to
Actual ESL gibberish

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The russian mafia shills have arrived.

Holy shit think about this, what if instead of reusing the same map again they made the entire world (Kalimdor and the eastern kingdoms) like two or three times larger, added 3x the quests, dungeons, raids, battlegrounds, everything. A much more fleshed out version of vanilla, tons of new content to explore. Essentially WoW 2.0, that would be tight.

>>729383485
nostalgia blinds

>>729383615
there's no nostalgia with current Blizzard, they are literally EA tier bad. Maybe even worse since EA still does games for their fans FIFA games Blizzard managed to turn wow into some garbage game made for absolute retarded people.

>>729382796
>>729383197
Vanilla+ devs ran their server to shit themselves, everybody quit after the first month after being endlessly ganged by retardedly OP shamans. Then they quit and sold it to Shenna. Literally no DDoS or extortion involved. You're clueless about the pserver scene.

>>729383301
That's exactly what they're doing right now except it's way slower because progression is slower.

>>729363358
>WOW CLASSIC+ IS IMPOSSIBLE
Pretty much.
Extremely few people know what it actually needs and how to make it good.
Too many people see gameplay mechanics as punishments you have to suffer before getting what you want.
Any active world of warcraft content creators doesn't know what classic plus needs to be a good game, in broad terms, you can pick things out of a smart(rare breed) wow classic raiders opinions on classic plus with a scalpel and get something good out of it, but all of them fail to understand the drawbacks of any thing they suggest.
There's no consensus on what it should be, and there are things that people would have a kneejerk reaction against that are good, and things that would be bad that they love, because people don't understand game design and player incentives.
There are probably 10 autists with restraint on 4chan who could do it, but they'd never have that level of influence.

Too many people who say they want classic, just want another raid in vanilla after Naxx, if TBC didn't exist, they would just be recreating TBC and think it's awesome.
Until they've done all the raids, and then they'd want another raid.

People are just so dense that it's impossible to cut through, people can barely imagine anything in wow that doesn't already exist in one of the iterations
>what if we take this tbc feature, what if we take this shadowlands feature, what if we take
There's very little thought on any feature or design that overall improves the experience of WoW.
You get a few comments here and there with some gems, but they're without influence.

It's just sad and it shouldn't be impossible, but it is hopelessly so.

>>729383686
Gee I wonder why they specifically sold it to Shenna one of the most disliked members of the community.
Almost like they racketeered them to shit up their own server after inserting themselves and their cash shop to rape every dollar out, then piss on the corpse and rip out all their custom code to use on their own shit.
Which is what they always do btw, every new WoW private server gets DDoSed then Croggey/Shenna would show up magically and offer "help" and "suggestions" but we won't be on the team btw I know a mystery nigga in the UK who will insert a shop for DDoS protection.(AKA we will stop DDoSing you)

>>729383548
Yes it's clearly other people who are shilling, now continue your imagedump.

>>729381540
buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
lmfao

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>>729363358
wow's problem, as always, is its playerbase
always optimizing the fun out of the game, if you picked the wrong class or spec you're not allowed to participate, if you aren't following the predetermined leveling path you will never find a group member for the dungeon you want to do.
The only thing that will come from new content in classic+ is the realization that after a couple hundred hours, that a significant portion of the population gambled at the very beginning and lost, and are no longer permitted to participate in group content.
and every one of you tubby virgins has their own specific view of what that new content should be, and if they don't implement your specific vision, you'll spam every website you can think of with endless vitriol every hour of every day for the next decade like the jilted schizos you truly are.

>>729383686
it was such an obvious shenna hitjob, little on the nose to make a all public channel chat cooldown a full minute(60 seconds between a post in trade and global, trade and trade, trade and general, global and general etc)

>>729383873
As it stands right now classic+ isn't some mythical beast that nobody can imagine, there are a number of actual servers out there that are trying their own versions of, we get to see what works and what doesn't in practice. Blizzard is also monitoring these servers as well as testing the waters themselves with SoD, it's not up to the legions of retards with opinions on social media, most of them don't even know what they want. Game designers know shitty opinions when they see them and learn to ignore them and do their own thing based on actual data and knowledge.

>>729363523
If anything, SoD proves it's impossible. Everything went to shit couple of patches in

>>729384637
everything went to shit in sod because aggrend and co had literally no plans and were playing it by ear

>>729384698
Just like Vanilla and onwards.

>>729383925
>every new WoW private server gets DDoSed then Croggey/Shenna would show up magically and offer "help" and "suggestions" but we won't be on the team btw
Yeah, all the servers over the last decade but Epoch and Vanilla+, hence me calling you a retard, retard.

>>729384186
Again, these two sank themselves, no need for Shenna to intervene.

>>729383925
>Which is what they always do btw, every new WoW private server gets DDoSed then Croggey/Shenna would show up magically
Should be easy to prove then. Yet you haven't?

>>729384036
>every word I don't understand is a buzzword
lurk more

here's my hot take that no one asked for:

OSRS isn't a success because it improves upon RuneScape 2's design, it's because RuneScape was always the better-designed MMO and people were only able to look past the graphics and simplistic gameplay with time. and in accordance with what >>729384065 said, RuneScape is also more receptive to players' inherent impulses to minmax. compare the design of WoW raids and RuneScape bosses:

WoW raids take anywhere from 1-4 hours, give X number of guaranteed drops per run, but Blizzard artificially timegates raid progression with weekly lockouts to keep players subscribed (subscribed, not playing) over as long a period of time as possible. minmaxing the efficiency of your raids achieves nothing except minimizing the amount of time you play the game, because you've turned WoW from a game into a weekly chore. character progression outside of raids simply stops once you're pre-raid BiS. no amount of gold or resources is going to progress your character, so the only winning move is to play as little as possible.

RuneScape, on the other hand, lets you minmax to your heart's content. "lets" is too passive, it begs you to minmax. please, go do that grind that will give you an item that will make your boss grind 5% faster or more convenient, be our guest. or don't, if you don't want to. and once you decide to grind something, there is no limiting factor except your patience. while RuneScape is also designed to keep you playing as long as possible, it actually respects the time you invest into it: your character progression is permanent and permanently meaningful, and there are no artificial timegates that are designed to squeeze another month's $15 out of you like the ones Blizzard chose to design.

so yeah, Classic+ won't fix anything. it'll just be more Classic, which will no doubt be successful - but it will still be a worse-designed MMO than RuneScape, a dog shit browser game from the 00s.

>>729385249
ok then faggot explain what you want in terms of "horizontal progression"

>>729384036
??? OP explained pretty much exactly what he's looking for and didn't use buzzwords.

>>729385370
to be honest I also think OSRS is a better game for casual play, which is what people are looking for as they get into the age 30+ range and start having families. Its a lot easier to hop on OSRS, fish for 15 minutes before making dinner, then hop off compared to WoW Classic where you basically have to dedicate 2 hours to clear a dungeon.

>>729385412
Horizontal progression is the opposite of vertical progression like WoW has, instead of getting items that are more powerful and replace your old items you work towards getting items that are adjacent in power but instead serve another purpose so you don't have to replace anything. This means that content doesn't become redundant as quickly but it also means that rewards can feel less impactful as a result.

>>729385493
true. i like to play it when i'm doing cardio at the gym, or for the ~15-30 minutes where my friends are doing something i don't want to do on discord. hell, i've even grinded fishing / woodcutting while doing long drives. it'd be impossible or more difficult to play WoW in any of those contexts, not to mention much more limited.

>>729385668
explain what you want
not
explain what horizontal progression is
try again

>>729364232
sod absolutely was not classic+ they just stuck a bunch of expansion abilities in which did not fit because they were many times more powerful than the base classic abilities

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>>729385084
It's been proven multiple times. But you're just going to say it wasn't and ignore all the proof while more gets posted lol. This is also just extremely fucking old news at this point when Torta used to deny being Shenna.

>>729385914
It's your job to post proof. All you post is retarded trannycord screenshots that only make sense if you know who these troons are.
You can continue the meltdown now.

>>729385879
Adjacent rewards obviously, like when a new dungeon is released it doesn't replace the old one. It might have some different stats or cool on-use abilities that enable different playstyles. Players would wanna do both dungeons instead of only the most recent one.

>>729363358
I don't want WoW.
I want WarCraft IV. Preferably outsourced to a studio that actually cares about RTS games and hates WoW' lore and story.

Nobody cares about Classic+ since retail is making a huge comeback and people actually have high expectations from the Beta features. Classic shit will most likely be sunset as the pop dies down in favor of retail.

>>729386250
RTS is dead, you'd have better luck with some kind of city-builder / management game.

>>729386175
>Please post proof of the people you clai doing shady shit doing shady shit
>Well heres the people doing what I'm claiming in slack and discord
>ITS NOT PROOF BECAUSE I DONT KNOW THEM PERSONALLY
Uhhh, retard-kun please try a little harder? lol

>>729386357
>Here are 40 screenshots of random discord chats
>That proves all my schizo theories, no I won't explain any further
Alright dude lol

>>729386184
>adjacent rewards
such as?
>some different stats or cool on-use abilities that enable different playstyles
class specs are the playstyles, moot point
>Players would wanna do both dungeons instead of only the most recent one
forcing players to redo mc/bwl for qsr, boa, coaf is not good design lol

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>>729385370
That's a long ass post to say you personally prefer playing cookie clicker over an MMOrpg.

wows genius was getting a bunch of social rejects who don't want to talk or do shit and forcing them to participate in the economy the hamster wheel if you will. For that it is simply better than todays current patch of society this only applies to vanilla albeit. Is that "patch", iteration of the "game" sustainable is the fundamental question. It would require a lot of resources hardly more than todays current irl patch i reckon

>>729386435
Most of those are slack, sorry you don't know the difference or what slack is. Workplaces use that, do you know what those are? Would you like me to explain to you what a job also is?

>Vanilla+
How many different fucking versions of WoW is Blizzard officially putting out right now, five?

>>729386549
as a casual player? three
anniversary, mop and retail

>>729386339
>RTS is dead
>Despite there being new RTS games released
It may be not the golden era of RTS games and not every succeeds these days...but RTS is still alive.
So no. And an actual WarCraft IV, when done right, would be an even bigger thing than StarCraft II.
However find me a studio where everyone played a multitude of RTS games (both Blizzard and from other companies) and who know what to do.

>>729386450
I don't know why I should keep explaining it to you, you're clearly incapable of thinking for yourself. If you don't see any benefits of horizontal progression then that's too bad, just keep playing the game that dies and resets every year.

>>729386545
Damn you really convinced me bro, I HATE turtle wow now and will never use it.

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>>729386870
Cool bro, continue to try claiming these are discord screenshots because you're either a shill or an unemployed NEET who's never worked a job higher than in fast food(It shows).

>>729363358
classic+ is never going to happen because wow players are the most miserable subhuman rat pieces of shit you will ever find and they will never be satisfied

>>729386856
literally nothing about vanillas design would be complemented by horizontal progression
like umm... force tanks to have a dedicated fire res set for molten core... why? are the res stats going to factor into the items stat budget?
if yes then why not make the boss do more generic damage instead of forcing tanks to use neutered gear just to clear a boss
if no then why even bother making "horizintal" content?

>>729386856
Horizontal progression isn't perfect either. It is really easy with it to just hit (soft) ceiling and depending on how much your build or class get out of new dungeon or whatever having no real avenues of meaningful progression.

Is Run Escape worth getting into this late?

>>729387330
I don't think requiring anything is a good way to go about it, it would be more about doing things that you want to do rather than things you're forced to do. Like you don't need to farm the set in the new dungeon but it allows you to play a seal of fate rogue or some other previously non-viable spec that changes up your playstyle somewhat. Or the 5 set is an on-use ability that knows players away in PvP or something fun like that.

>>729387929
If you wanna pretend you're playing a game by clicking a tree every minute while watching videos on your other monitor sure.

>>729388005
Sounds kind of rad honestly.

>>729387979
>knows
that knocks players away*

>>729387979
>I don't think requiring anything is a good way to go about it
but youll force players to run instances for specific gear so that an offspec is viable instead of just buffing that spec baseline
are you retarded?

>>729388046
Go for it then. Just don't expect to talk to anyone since they're all bots.

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If you removed Flying and boring overly long Raid Attunements, TBC would be a perfect expansion. It made playing any spec at least viable and feeling like you brought some cool buffs to your raid team.

>>729388202
Why even have gear at all in that case?

>>729387060
Dude I am literally emailing blizzard right now!!! We can't let turtle wow win!!!!

>>729388202
It's an example dumbass, you can't make every configuration of spec points viable, but with tailored stats or spec-amplifying items you can make any form of spec viable. The only requirement is getting the gear which is entirely optional because the other specs are viable too.

>>729388378
to naturally gatekeep content outside of using methods like attunements and level requirements
also because its not fun seeing your sinister strike do the exact same damage at level 1 and at level 60
>>729388428
why not just do what sod did? bosses drop tokens and can be redeemed for spec-specific gear like melee hunter, balance druid and shadow priest?

>>729363358
whichever version adds playable Ogres instead of more furry shit, wins

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>>729363671
>turtle wow

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>>729388641
>>729363671

>>729376252
that and the amount of shilling happening here

its utterly unreal how many vanilla threads have been made in the last few months alone

every single time i visit /v/ bar none theres a wow shill post like anybody plays this shit at all. it isnt 2005 anymore time to move on

Blizzard are genuinely retards. What Classic tards want is a new Kalimdon/Eastern Kingdoms.

LITERALLY pay 2 Artists to create ~30 slop zones on the artistic level of Westfall, then use AI to generate a bunch of "kill 10 boars" "run halfway across the zone and delivery this package" quests and then put some effort into creating a few dungeons and a new MC/BWL. Keep everything else the same (classes etc..)

This would take less than a year to complete and the classic autists would be all over it, but noooo some retards at blizzard are like "Noooo the reason people love classic is the EPIC DEADMINES QUESTLINE!!!! the EPIC STV!!!! HOLY!!!"

No. Classic AUTISTS only want an autistic grind, one long autistic grind to drop hundreds of hours into. They don't want Classic with new powerup abilties like SoD, they want "NEW" zones with slop quests and "NEW" dungeons to speedrun.

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>>729388382
Turtle WoW is already quietly shutting everything down because of Blizzard don't worry about it, please install our malware client so we can drain your bank accounts :).
>$5000 gold checkmark

>>729388727
The fact there's a retard with dozens of premade images shitting on all fan servers is pretty telling. Corpo shills are so commonplace these days they probably make up 50%+ of the traffic on this board

>>729388778
That and new MC raids with EZ loot pinata bosses. And more wbuffs to makes these simple raids even more trivial. Maybe add in-game support to logs so retards can "le parse" too, that will keep the subhumans hooked for another half decade.

>>729388838
>they gave up on the UE mod
why is this bad? lmao unreal engine sucks cock

>>729388594
You're thinking of it in terms of having 3 cookiecutter specs, I'm talking about investing points into talents that you normally wouldn't run with. There is a virtually infinite amount of talent configurations.

>>729388945
It's only Turtle he's shitting on and it's images from the leak from one of their employees lol.
Nice narrative push.
https://github.com/brian8544/turtle-wow/tree/main
You think if they had corporate shills fucking MICROSOFT who owns GITHUB and WORLD OF WARCRAFT where TURTLE WOW hosts their CODE wouldn't just shit down their throat immediately if it was corporate shilling.

>>729388594
How number go up is better than enabling mechanically different ways of play, are you that much of monkey brain that can't fathom progression without zero being added to your stats every year?

>>729389081
oh yeah, the corpos would NEVER host content that shits on fan servers

>>729389079
>investing points into talents that you normally wouldn't run with
give 3 examples and solutions for those examples

>>729389242
No, I'm not your personal chatgpt. Use your brain faggot.

>>729389185
I'm saying if Microsoft gave enough of a shit they'd be strangling them posting even worse leaks that aren't a year+ old.

>>729389284
all bark no bite
pottery!

>>729363671
>turdletrannies
nyet

>>729389303
don't care, didn't ask. shill harder schlomo.

>>729389343
You try talking to a rock, see how easy it is to bite that shit.

>>729364219
turtle wow is retail minus. they obliterated the pvp by making paladins a hero god class that had the best of everything in the game at all times

FACT: hybrid tax is good.

FACT: if you dont have hybrid tax then you need talent spec choice that disables certain abilities not of your specialty, ie making it so feral or boomkin cant heal, otherwise they just end up being a more OP verson of a rogue or mage because you deal the same damage but can now heal, its ridiculous.

>>729367603
>>729369632
>>729369913
these
it was Cataclysm game design in vanilla content, and somehow retards keep saying shit like "it was the best version of classic ever"
further proof that classic is overrun with retail tourists

>>729389461
Shouldn't you be shilling your private server instead of talking to me? I see a lot of negative talk about Turtle WoW that you're not currently addressing :^). Going to have to halve your pay for $2 to $1 Ranjeet.

>>729363523
This SoD takes some missteps but it works. The new raids and dungeons were fantastic and thats the most important important thing for them to get right. They did Balance the classes the wrong way though and incursions ruined the leveling experience AND the gear out of the new content was way better then anything from the base game

>>729389614
>hybrid tax is good
>nobody plays hybrid classes
funny how that goes in classic

>>729389614
The only two classes that had a hybrid tax in vanilla were paladins and druids. Shamans and shadow priests were gods. The balance was all kinds of fucked up.

>>729389841
>>729389764
lol

>>729389820
>SoD takes some missteps but it works
It took so many missteps that it's undeniable proof the current devs have no fucking clue why the playerbase likes vanilla, and thus SoD turned into "retail minus" rather than "classic plus".

>>729388778
Dyed hair employees are probably frothing for a chance to inject every NPC's gender and sexual preference into a rewritten classic narrative.

>>729389820
>new raids and dungeons
>most important thing
I fucking hate retailfags like you wouldn't believe.

>>729389841
i played hybrid classes in classic. druid was already a top tier class in classic. most druid players were liquid dogshit though so the class gets a bad rap, it does have a higher skill floor than most other classes.
>>729389868
shaman also had hybrid tax for sustained damage though. but you could fix the hybrids for raids without increasing their damage just by adding more mana sustain and slightly tweaking talent trees in a way that doesnt affect PvP, also adding tokens for spec speific tier gear would go a long ways. Ele sham for example does OK DPS in MC but has mana problems, if their mana problems were fixed they would be OK psuedo mages offering different utility. paladin tanks would be viable if you simply removed mana cost of their 41 point talent and changed redoubt to work off their crits as well so they dont get hard punished for building defence gear.

>>729390120
>noooo wow is not a pve game reeee stop it stop it
I fucking hate faggots who pretend WoW was never a PvE-focused game like you wouldn't believe

I think that the ideal Classic+ should answer this question: "What if TBC was never released?"

TBC only came out a little over 2 years after the game launched. Many people enjoyed TBC (and to a lesser extent WotLK), but I think that Blizz made a mistake by gunning for an expansion so early, and Outland shouldn't have been a separate world. Shoulda been kept in Azeroth.

I think that Classic plus should just have been these things:

-Add new level 60-70 zones within Azeroth OR raise the level of some existing zones
-Finish uncompleted zones and raids
-Add World PvP events or BGs
-New items, professions, and factions
-Add new World Boss raids
-Raise the level cap to 70 (NOT a must)
-Add new lower level zones as well, but include questlines or items in them that make the zones relevant to max level players
-Tweak any talent trees for balance and make the shitty builds viable WITHOUT making the classes homogeneous
-Etc.

I quit during WotLK, so I am aware some of these ideas might have been executed in subsequent expansions, but I think they would be so much better within Classic because Classic had the best gameplay mechanics and design of all the iterations of WoW. The Dungeon Finder patch (3.3.0) was the beginning of the end.

SOD did not feel like this for me, just some weird added abilities that made leveling feel easier. Real Classic+ would require a huge dev team.

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>>729390237
TBC literally did all of those things
I see your complaint very often, that Outland is a bad thing because it "killed the old world", but.....vanilla itself did that. When you're level 60 in vanilla, how often do you actually go back to low level zones? Almost never. There is nothing for you to do there, other than leveling up gathering professions or something.

The majority of your time spent at 60 is in max level zones. The low level zones are already "dead" in that aspect. So I don't understand why it's complained about for TBC. Nothing changed other than the "high level" zones being on a new continent.

>>729390230
It was pve focused game, except it wasn't solely focused on raids and dungeons in initial vanilla design, fuck off with your lobby design back to ungodly abomination that is retail.

>>729390496
nta but that whole "tbc killed the world" argument is literally just a vibe and feels thing aka nothing. no one seems to care that T1/T2 is entirely flying from ironforge to searing gorge or ironforge to menethil but niggers will chimp out that now their raiding hub starts from shattrath instead of EK/kalimdor

>>729380583
>>infinite repeatable grinds
Who the hell even thought this was something people want?

Literally all I want is TBC class balance but in vanilla content. Use that as a starting point for any "classic plus". TBC fixes all of the core issues of vanilla without going too far and homogenizing everything into casualbabby mode like WOTLK does.

>>729390270
Least obvious blizzshill falseflag

>>729390726
out of touch nuBlizz tranny devs who never played vanilla and have no idea why it is so beloved that people still play it 20 years later

>>729390237
>What if TBC was never released?
>Make TBC, but not outlands
bruh

>>729390682
That's just untrue because now instead of people being in Stormwind and the surround areas they are in Shattrath and the surrounding areas, so you're entirely disconnected from new and levelling players. You won't see anyone travelling or gathering materials or farming anymore because they're in another world entirely.

>>729388838
nta but surely somebody caught on and noticed malware in the client? is there anything you can actually point to? if your previous screenshots are real that crogge guy sounds like an insufferable faggot, but then again, creating a slack channel and a few accounts to stage a convo is 10 minutes work so ehh

>>729390830
yeah honestly almost every single "classic+ wish list" that I see, is just shit that TBC already did. People clearly want TBC but in azeroth.

>>729390838
>flying from sw to thorium point/morgans vigil
>flying from sw to LHC
my nigger, no one does this

>>729390838
>You won't see anyone travelling or gathering materials or farming anymore
......besides all the other players who are also leveling? You act like max level players are the only players that exist lmao

>>729389614
>FACT: hybrid tax is good
Explain warriors.

>>729390881
Don't ask questions or he'll sperg out again

>>729390237
I don't think releasing vanilla again and just adding more content is enough, you'll still run into the issue that stats go up towards their caps, dungeons/raids get replaced by the new raids making the game less approachable as time goes on. They have to do something about the fundamental progression of the game to prevent everyone from just standing around the city in their bis gear until the weekly lockout ends, they should learn from other MMOs like Albion, EVE and Runescape and give players more rewarding activities to do than just farming bis and gold.
Add some horizontal progression, alternative progression paths, expand the talent system and let players unlock more varied playstyles. Challenge runs like hardcore, open pvp zones like albion, territory war like EVE.

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>>729390207
>druid was already a top tier class in classic

>>729390237
>Add new level 60-70 zones
You are fucking retard, never speak about vanilla+ ever again.

>>729390962
Warriors DPS wasnt that great in raids for most of classic because they had to throttle DPS or they would out aggro the tank, this changed with threat rework at the tail end of classic and the 1.12 version of the game has a loop hole in it where raids and nerfed enough and threat works in such a way that fury tanking without a shield is viable so warriors dont need to throttle dps anymore.

>>729390682
>nta but that whole "tbc killed the world" argument is literally just a vibe and feels thing aka nothing
To be fair, I played classic for a fair bit, and the low level zones are always jampacked with people, but once you start getting to level 30 and 40 zones, it's all a wasteland, I don't usually do most max level shit even on retail, but that has the same issue, only the default leveling zone is ever full of anyone and the $CURRENT expansion zone, the rest of the world is always empty, you literally get out of the two main cities and there's literally no one over there, literally did the max level blood elf quest about the past, and there was no one over at silvermoon and undercity.