Quality character picking. Not.
>>729364552Laugh at Bombermanfags>has 100+ games>one of the most copied games of all time>revolutionized multi-player in gaming>had the first HD game ever>launched the successful B-Daman toyline>good Nintendo history and had a crossover with Wario and Mario Party 2 unused content>has other crossovers with Pac-Man, Transformers, Yatterman and Lilo & Stich>still gets BTFO in SSB and became a complete laughtingstock by everyone>series gets overshadowed by waifufags and coomers beacuse of Bombergirl despite them never playing the game>R got outsold by the new Momotetsu, a fellow Hudson IP that was only released in Japan.>no console game for 5 years>No games on NSO, can't even get Panic Bomber on Virtual Boy NSO despite having less than 20 games>not in Sonic CrossWorlds when Mega Man and Pac-Man is>40th anniversary came and went with no fanfare or events. R2 flopped hard>latest game is a shitty slot machine>never got a Macy Parade BalloonWhat a fucking loser. Imagine being a Bombercuck in 2024https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtalwvIp0w
>>729364630His only objectively good game is 64.Second attack and hero are debatable.Everything else was only notable as a retro game or minigame.The grid style cross explosion gameplay is just way too simple and shallow despite trying to be high octane and energetic.
>>729364552>defunct company>no moveset potential>no good music>shit sales, 2 million is the highest the series ever reached>tons of games that never saw a Western releaseBombermanfags are delusional and think he’s an A-list vidya character along the likes of Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pacman. They rightfully deserve to get ridiculed over their obsession over a C-list character who got BTFO by superior franchises in his peak. Even /v/ made fun of him in 2018.
>>729364552>Reddit meme charactersKys
>>729364552Plant and Inshitiroar are ass though.
>remembering when they waited until the last direct before ultimate's release just to nonchalantly show that Shadow was still an assist
>>729365085ahh, time to check /v/ now that the November direct is done, it'll be nice to see the denialfags finally blown the fuck out forever. Even if they're not, I've been basically confirmed ever since Knuckles got Assist Trophied. I wonder what the new Shadow trailer is like, I'm sure it's completely based and has me killing Sonic or somethi-WHAT, NOTHEY MADE KEN AN ECHO BUT NOT ME? WHO THE FUCK IS INCINEROAR? MORE GAY POKEMON SHIT?!!!! TH-THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, I'M THE MOST POPULAR SONIC CHARACTER, REMEMBER THE POLLS????I DON'T WANNA GO BACK INTO THE TROPHY, IT'S SUCKING ME IN!!!!!HEEEEELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW-WHAT, EGGMAN, QUICK GET ME OUT OF HERE SO I CAN BE DL-WHAT THE FUCK, ALL DLC FIGHTERS ARE FROM SCRATCH?!?!?!?? NO ECHOS?!?!?THIS IS IMPOSIBLEEEEEEE
Slow day in America? Christmas is over, get here
>>729364552Notice how the assist trophy characters recent games have been certified flops, nobody buys video games of assist trophies. Shovel Knight developers are close to facing bankruptcy and R2 was the worst selling Bomberman game.
I'm playing some Terry right now and it's astounding how easy it is to accidentally do Geyser instead of Dunk, or anything else for that matter.Even doing any of these inputs very slowly is still almost always a dunk.>623 = Dunk>6213 = Geyser>213 = Geyser>646 = GeyserTrying to do 236236 for Buster?>2361236 = Geyser>6236236 = BusterI like playing him but it's just not consistent.
>>729366518Nobody knew of this guy before Smash, truly a wasted slot.
>>729364801Super Bomberman 4 had a fun twist with the unique powers, I don't know why they dropped it for 5
>>729365068The image is criticizing the newcomers. That being said, I actually like Piranha Plant because its moveset is really clever in execution and it's also highly recognizable. The others there are lame though.
>>729364552I want to fuck that yellow dog
>>729367403>and it's also highly recognizableShut up nigger
>>729364552It's crazy that Shovel Knight was featured in a game that celebrates the industry and all that. In my opinion, it's almost like Angry Birds, just generic characters from a mediocre game that went viral by pure luck.
I don't ever want Waluigi in Smash.He's not a character, and you're not funny or interesting for choosing him in Party/Kart/Tennis. Suffer.
>>729368912t. Assblasted paulinefag
>>729364552There’s not even Bomberman music in the game, they truly gave zero fucks.
>>729364552Why did you ommit Ridley, K. Rool, Inkling, and Belmont in favor of clones?
>>729370819Good picks, except inkling who is a shill rep
>>729364552Alucard and Zelda not original NES designs anyway, retards
>>729364552>Ignoring Ridley, K. Rool, Inkling, the Belmonts, Dark Samus and Ken
>>729370819Not my Simon
>>729370949Splatoon is one of Nintendo's only successful IPs that was created within the the last decade. Ofcourse she's in Smash.
Nobody ITT has played 5 Bomberman games.
>>729365443>ALL DLC FIGHTERS ARE FROM SCRATCH I knew that chicken -chugging bumbling niggcombot robo-retard was behind this!!!
>>729371050Still not a legacy franchise by then. Even Bob’s Burgers makes more revenue.
>>729371039What?
>>729364552Still gutted that this little dude never got his just dues.
>>729371253I have proof that I've beaten two bomberman gamesAm I allowed to shill bomberkino now or do I have to replay all of the SNES games?
>>729371368>Whatt. Newfags
>>729371253I've played 4 and watched a review of one on x-play
>>729371336>muh legacyWhen Smash 64 came out, Pokemon released only 3 years prior. A similar time gap for Gannondorf's debute and melee. Brawl would've had more contemporary picks as well if it wasn't for the delays. Smash has always had new characters in it's roster.
>>729364832The gba game had awesome music
>>729364630Bomberman isn't playable because he's a fucking shovelware character with a million mediocre games and doesn't have Sonic's excuse of being an icon. He very well could have out performed Simon on the ballot but Simon has the pedigree and legacy to back up his inclusion.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises#At_least_5_million_copies>Final Fantasy: 135 million>Sonic The Hedgehog: 88.82 million>Metal Gear: 49.2 million>Pac-Man: 43.243 million>Street Fighter: 40 million>Mega Man: 32 million>Bomberman: 10 milliongee i wonder why he's not playable
>>729364630>>729364832>>729371843Before anyone replies genuinely, this person has been reposting these for seven years. Check b4k.
>Scrimblo>Ike in black armor>Not even from a Nintendo CV>Punchy Sonic>McJRPG Man>Black Sonic>Indieshit>Tertiary Zelda villain>Sword Mega Man>Sports Wario
>>729364552You're right, being an assist trophy is too good for waluigi
>Mr. Resetti>Excitebiker>Helirin>Barbara>Jill>Ray MK IIIAssist trophies only featured in Brawl
2B, Mai Shiranui, Chun-Li, Jill Valentine, KOS-MOS, Lip, Adeleine, Ashley, Dixie Kong, Tinkaton, Pauline, Saki Amamiya, and Ring Fit Trainee should be playable. Smash needs more female characters and sex appeal. Plus, they need more porn and I'm sure their inclusions will prevent boys from becoming homosexuals.How would you feel about their inclusions?
>>729371843That doesn’t prevent his chances in the slightest, Bomberman is a legacy character who would be in Smash on his own merits, not to promote a game.Mega and Pac got in 4 when their franchises were at their lowest points.
Did anyone notice how how the assists in Brawl was a neat way to reference lesser-known, usually JP exclusive franchises? Not many viable roster picks.Now, they're just Fighter reject consolation prizes.
>>729364552It's funny to me how Smashfags really acted like this piece of crap was some kind of sacred grounds of video gaming and would repeatedly go nuclear when some character they didn't want got in, but years later:>it has no cultural impact>it's influenced zero (0) other games>it has no legacy>nobody even fucking talks about it anymoreThe only thing this shit will be known for is all the numerous sex scandals that happened over the years
>>729364630>not big anymore but had his day in the sun during a classic era and influenced countless gamesNothing wrong with this. I know this is just a shitpost but the sort of "people" who actually hold this sort of opinion are invariably zoomers/gen alpha who fetishize retro gaming that they never had but without actually growing up with it, so their allegiance is dependent on their favorite eceleb's favorites.
Fact: Fortnite is now the only crossover based franchise that matters
>>729373331>influenced zero other gamesNot a day goes by that people on this godforsaken board aren't hyping up some dogshit smash clone that they never actually play.>what if smash but WB IPs bro?>what if smash but Nickelodeon IPs bro?>what if smash but furries bro?The game is shallow party fare but to say it never influenced anything is straight delusional.
>>729372814>KOS-MOSThe most never of evers but it would be fun to have her in it.
>>729373331>>729373515>ult shit the bed so hard even the clones get memoryholed tookekky
>>729373331>>nobody even fucking talks about it anymoreThat's pretty much how it is with Smash on /v/, when a new game gets announced and characters start getting revealed they'll go ape shit, but once new content stops so does all discussion. It doesn't deserve the "cultural phenomenon" status.>>it's influenced zero (0) other gamesCompletely fucking wrong holy shit.
>>729364552I liked Incineroar, I'm just mad that there's no FF rep that was actually on Nintendo systems. We should've gotten Bartz instead of 9001 Fire Emblem characters.
>>729373348Blame Konami for not making a collection or putting games on NSO, all the best Bomberman games were before 2000. Mega Man has loads of fans because Capcom makes a collection every generation.
incinerator and pp are cool.
>>729374235IP mismanagement is for sure a big factor. These same people acting like bomberman is a joke would probably be sucking off Bomberman hero for its soundtrack alone if they got exposed to it before being told he was a silly joke person. But the current bomberman game has lolis so they were probably destined to hate it from the start.
>>729371764This is why Smash 4 was depised, too many characters that debuted from 2007-2013.
>>729364552smash ultimate's characters are ok though because banjo and sora are in it and they're totally my favorite characters and i wanted them in smash because i like them and not because my favorite twitter eceleb (who has since moved to bluesky) wanted them inalso i'm trans btw
>>729367253But enough about Banjo-Kazooie.
>>729372814Mai would need her outfit censored too much to be worth it, a small skirt length extension or something is one thing but mais outfit wouldn't even be the same outfit at the end, I suppose you could use her fatal fury design but you won't be able to look at her without thinking about why she's dressed that wayRing fit trainer isn't relevant enough anymore
>>729364552I will never understand why some poeople werr upset over getting this instead of a bomberman fighter.What moveset would fucking bomberman have?
>>729373195>Saki got cut from Ultimate when Assists were given a larger moveset>Ray never returned after BrawlI'm so fucking mad
>>729374581Banjo has a way bigger fanbase than Fatal Fury, and Bomberman for that matter. Lots of mods and merchandise. Even Toonami promoted it.
Waluigi is such a meme character. There is zero valid argument for him to be a playable fighter.
>multiple dead irrelevant 30+ year old boomer franchises
>>729374737These are among the viable fighters. Even dumber when Smash 4 had custom moves, yet didn't add a Custom Robo. It was literally made for this system.
>>729374951If the meme gets enough traction then it becomes a valid argument because enough people just want the character to be in. That's not enough if he doesn't have an actual moveset but if the meme gets big enough, that's called "demand".
>>729374951He's Wario's partner, has funny animations and still appears in games today. Even Normalfags recognize him. We can have Mario Bros vs Wario Bros matches.
>>729375141Not an argument
>>729375141Good argument
>you now remember when wayforward kept hyping up Shantae as the next Smash character
>>729375213People wanting him and him being related to characters already in the series are both arguments for his inclusion. You can just say you don't like the character, there's nothing wrong with having that opinion.
>>729374827>Banjo has a way bigger fanbase than Fatal Fury, and Bomberman for that matter.I don't care for any of those franchises so it's not the gotcha you think it is.>Lots of mods and merchandise.>consuming products in the vain hope to get a new game that's going to suck anyway>Even Toonami promoted it.>you don't understand, a children's network (when it was actually good) promoted a game so clearly it's the greatest thing ever!Also all Toonami reviews are supposed to be positive. Also not really the gotcha you think it is.
>>729375343What did people see in Shantae that I don't? The games are decent but she was everywhere in Smash 4 character discussion.
>>729375448He's just saying that the character was a lot bigger and well-known to most people than the character previously mentioned in the reply chain. You not hating him is different from everyone not knowing him. That's not a "gotcha", it's you being wrong about Banjo's visibility and the desire for his inclusion from the general fanbase.
>>729375554Scantily clad girl.
>>729364552Say if Smash 64 were made today, who could you guys see getting in with a limit of 12 slots?>Why Captain Falcon still there?He’s THE Smash character built off the Dragon King prototype fighter and for those of you living under rocks, F-Zero 99 is still being supported and updated.>Where's Luigi?Replaced with Bowser because you gotta have a villain in there>Where’s Jigglypuff?Pokémon Trainer makes the most sense and better represents it than a cheap Kirby Expy
Does anyone have that old picture which showed the kind of characters Japanese fans want in vs characters Western fans want in? The Japanese side is full of anime swordsmen while the western side is full of obscure Nintendo characters like Sturm, Porky, Geno, The Black Knight, etc...
>>729374735>What moveset would fucking bomberman have?Play his mod in Project M. Pic related.
>>729375797That pic was rigged you dipshitEvery Tales mention went to Lloyd
>>729365085I wouldn’t get too cocky Daisy Sister, Rosalina got into Smash before us and Sakurai made us a lazy Peach echo while Mario in a Doctor Suit, Baby Pikachu and Red Haired Marth are all unique from their originals. I mention those guys because they were originally Melee Clones.
>>729375797>>>>>>>>The Black Knightkekroflmao
>>729371641I don't even know who owns his IP these days.Smash Ultimate just needed less characters. There are characters I wish got added, sure. But after starting strong with Inkling, Ridley, Simon/Richter, and K Rool, almost the entire rest of the roster of additions was horrible. The Squenix representation overall is embarassing and cucked. Nu Emblem can rot in hell. If they make another Smash the roster is only gonna get worse from here.
>>729375343>>729375554Lost Bayo’s BFC
>>729366274The fact that Sakurai is buddy buddy close close with Toby Fox, you just know an Undertale/Deltarune rep is gonna get in as a fighter
>>729376112When they gonna redhead Simon and ginger Zelda?
>>729375554coom
>>729375448He was bigger than Crash, Rayman and Spyro back then. A main Nintendo mascot.
>>729375781MarioBowserLinkSamusPikachuLucarioInklingVillagerDonkey KongKirbyMarthRob
>>729375554She's hot, has a very recognizable silhouette, has abilities that would be easily adapted to a cool Smash character, and she has a longstanding association as an indie forerunner, one of the only DSi exclusives, etc.>>729375797You've reminded me how badly I wanted an Advance Wars rep. Fuck.
>>729376187>>729376094It's an old outdated pic, but I'd like to find it again. Had King K Rool on it too.
>>7293762732B is such a shoo-in if they do make another.
>>729375781Sorry but C. Falcon would be replaced with Mii Fighter.
>>729373331>even the Smash general on /vg/ died>even some of the chronic shitposters like gatorniggerfag diedShit really is a ghost town, it makes you wonder what was all of this even for
What are some Smash Bros nitpicks you guys have? Here’s a few of mine>Mario not only still having FLUDD but he’s freaking Brawl Voicelines which don’t sound great and sounds like Charles was sick with a stuffy nose>Street Fighter only having songs from SF2>Most of the Mega Man music being from Classic and most of them being from the NES games>Mega Man's series icon is just a gear and final fantasy 7's is just two capitalized Fs when the only content is from FF7>Ridely doesn’t use his tail for his down air>Sora doesn’t have Strike Raid or Ars Arcanum>R.O.B and Dr. Mario not having a stage but Pilotwings and Nintendogs both have stages
>>729374143Cloud was a marketing gimmick. The reason Nintendo went all out with the third parties in Smash 4's DLC and Ultimate is the same reason that a lot of dying gacha games partner with other IPs. They are trying to get people in for the more popular series and hope they stay. It kind of work for Ultimate but that has more to do with how well the Switch did. Odyssey sold like double Galaxy's sales. Not surprising Ultimate is as successful as it is.That said, much like how Mario Kart ditched the Nintendo characters, Smash will ditch third party characters. Nintendo is focused on pushing their IPs and they see how excited people get for new characters. They're hoping to push that same energy to their own characters especially Pauline, Oatchi and Sylux with how much they push them. King K Rool is a real world example of this. Also, hate to tell you this anon, but we're never escaping the Fire Emblem characters. They are the most popular characters in Japan.
>>729376506Smashies never played Nier.
I miss the resident Ashley lolcow James Perrott.
>>729376698The representation from Final Fantasy in all aspects is hilariously dogshit compared to the representation for Dragon Quest. Cloud/Sephiroth feels like a slap in the face and flies against standard Smash character practice. Similar feelings about Joker instead of a more general SMT rep. Jack Frost/Pyro Jack duo would have been amazing. In general Ultimate leans way too hard on zoomer brand recognition instead of "worthiness" or "importance to Nintendo history".But in terms of specific character nitpicks, how poorly Wario is STILL represented with way too much drawn from Sakurai's head and not enough from the actual games. How Ness isn't allowed to peace-sign.
>>729375554Yeah, she's not really that special to deserve a spot in Smash
>>729377120But Sakurai did.
>>729377354>she's not really that special to deserve a spot in SmashClearly this doesn't matter anymore, Ultimate started as "everyone is here" but ended as "anyone is here"
>>729377303Peace signs have been banned in Japanese games. Mario isn't allowed to do it anymore either.
>>729377294I like Ashley but honestly would prefer Captain Syrup. Castlevania is one of the only good and well done third party additions to Smash; I think Snake is about the only other one.
>>729377537And yet...
>>729377303>"worthiness" or "importance to Nintendo history".rer
>>729376698Everything relating to Smash in regards to non-third parties are all based on his personal interpretation of a series or character. Even some 3rd parties (Mega Man). I don't get how Wario leans on Japanese adverts but then comes Sakurai trying to boast about being accurate to a character's game, that same time where he removed Wario's shoulder bash which was pathetic in Brawl to begin with and claimed the punch was stronger. Other examples include his indifference towards Zelda, his bias towards Fire Emblem, his absolute love for Castlevania, Persona 5 and KoF while claiming he doesn't approach Smash as a fan and his overall need to give fans 'something' regardless of how bad it can backfire (Rex/Spring Man) and his inability to walk back on it (Pythra/Minmin). I also feel that Ridley was designed the way he was out of spite, as well as other characters. He needs to realize the fans are who matters, not him. They pay money for his games and they allow him to live a good life. If he was so hellbent on Ridley not being playable, he should have stood on it.>>729377075First paragraph is on point, too many outsiders are trying to tell Nintendo fans what Smash should be. 2015 isn't the same as 2025 - things are about to change.Plus a smaller roster means you're gonna see more K. Rools and Ridlies, a lot more to make up for it.
>>729377739Ridley is kino though.
i remember the brawl days where people unironically thought sakurai was the biggest star fox mark in existence
Why did Smashfags not recognize Tekken? its not an obscure franchise.
>>7293780791. It is an obscure franchise.2. It was never on Nintendo consoles until modern day.
>>729376192>I don't even know who owns his IP these days.IP squatters.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildBrain
>>729377895He's not. If Ridley's size and speed were an issue, to keep with the accuracy of the Metroid games, he'd be bigger and slower but more powerful. Taunt aside, he's fairly small and others said it better than I could about him. Sakurai bent the knee but laced his inclusion with some bullshit design choices. K. Rool too for that matter, why the fuck does he have a counter instead of a ground pound like in DK64, or even a mode change for his blunderbuss?>>729378079It was supposed to be Crash or whoever a supposed insider was jerking off over. Him and Terry exposed the faggots crying about a celebration of gaming, Tekken was huge in its heyday.
>>729378079Honestly, the fact Sakurai has to tell people to try more games that aren't just Smash, is telling. The director of the series wants his fanbase to be more open to trying new things. Too bad nu-nintendo's fanbase has autism. that's a cry on deaf ears.
>>729376192>The Squenix representation overall is embarassing and cucked.Terrible take.
>>729378187Tekken has sold over 60 million units across the franchise.I guarantee whoever you want has not sold 60 million.
>>729364552Meanwhile the Assist Trophies that were completely axed…
>>729378079Smashfags genuinely don't seem to actually like any kind of games beyond the most normalfagcore 1st-party Nintendo IPs and whatever random shit that was part of their childhoods that only sold 500 copies but they swear are milestones in gaming, if it weren't for all the actual pedophile shit happening behind closed doors in tourneys I honestly think Smashfags would be mainly known for insane bubbles they put themselves in
>>729378079Smashfags live in a bubble, Tekken is cultural relevant enough to feature Snoop Dogg in it.
>>729366518>>729367253Say what you will about Terry but he was a complete package deal, 50 songs and an amazing stage with the barrier mechanic that you knock opponents hard enough through it to KO them. Too many of you guys are short sighted and only pay attention to the characters themselves.
>>729368784>just generic characters from a mediocre game that went viral by pure luckConveniently forgetting Sans Undertale aren’t we?
>>729372814Pauline is definitely getting in with the DK series icon
>>729376698>>Mario not only still having FLUDD but he’s freaking Brawl Voicelines which don’t sound great and sounds like Charles was sick with a stuffy noseDon't worry. The monkey's paw will strike soon enough and Kevin will give Mario loads of voice cracks. At least Luigi will sound fine. Hopefully.
>>729373195I also like the sound effect upon the unleashing them in Brawl, in fact I’m gonna be honest, Brawl had the best sound design along with Melee especially 64 it’s chunky hit sounds. Meta Knight and Dedede’s attacks sounded really satisfying in Brawl, not so much in later installments.
>>729378476>8 midis lolI'm still mad about this.
>>729373331>The only thing this shit will be known for is all the numerous sex scandals that happened over the yearsFor me it’s the egregious Fire Emblem over saturation and the crazy part is, those stupid fucks occasionally try to defend and justify a whopping 8 characters for a franchise that took until its seventh entry to be localized.
>>729373415
>>729379354I've long since held that FE suffers the worst from main protagonist bias, what the fuck do you mean I can't play as an evil dragon in a franchise where most games revolve around stopping an evil dragon?
>>729379354FE really does make Smashpedos seethe like manbabies lol
>>729377739Smash has always been Sakurai's interpretation of the character, for better or for worse. It gives the game a unique flavor but it can be a bit of a hit or miss and I'd say he's not as good at is as much as he claims to be. Compare him to say Cygame with Umamusume. They do a much better job of implementing the characters into a game and they're adapting race horses as anthropomorphize girls. There is a lot more thought on how the girls are portrayed than Sakurai does with Smash. I'd say this is the flaw of having one guy be the sole arbiter of how characters are portrayed (even if the creators give him some feedback). It becomes HIS interpretation rather than portraying characters closer to how most people see that character.On Ridley, he's always changed his stance on who can and can't be in. Miis were initially rejected for Brawl but were fine for Smash 4. Its not bad to be flexible and some of Sakurai's issue is that he isn't at times. He's still a good director, but I think fans sometimes buy into his over inflated ego.
>>729374497>10 years ago Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta were revealedAnd yet Corrin is still the most universally despised character, Fire Emblem will never respected in Smash again unless it’s severely trimmed down. Also am I the only one that likes Cloud and Ryus Smash 4 renders more than their Ult Renders?
>>729379354> for a franchise that took until its seventh entry to be localized.You act like that is FE's fault and not NOA being retarded and denying certain games to be localized.
>thread is nothing but roster autism instead of discussing the actual gameAnd this is why Kid Icarus Uprising 2 will release in 2029.
>>729380087The OP thread is liteally a rosterfag subject.
>>729374701Mai could just use her City of the Wolves design as her default, but she could blend in too much with Bayonetta, so in that case Bayonetta should be cut, 3 was a very controversial game anyway
>>729374951Okay Sakurai we get it
>>729380052Fire Emblem hate is an exclusively American thing. In Japan, they are some of the most popular characters (they also like Nintendo characters a lot which is another reason Nintendo may not be as gung-ho with third party characters beyond just the money issues)
Here comes the phoneposting spammer...
>>729378079Because the whole "REEEEEEE KAZUYA ISN'T A SHOTOOOOOOO!" temper tantrum from the FGC is the perfect example of why nobody gives a shit about fighting games. You make ONE mistake or misunderstanding, and instead of being properly educated about the genre and/or community, you have dozens of xhe/xhers screeching at you that Goku-hair Ryu isn't the same as Red Hat Ryu.
>>729380364diddyamigos...
>>729375554Still got a Mii Costume so at least Sakurai acknowledged her
Laugh at Bombermanfags>was listed in the "if there was a Smash 2 poll" in 1999 and had more votes than Mega Man and Sonic>still not playable while the other two were, and instead became an assist trophy, which made many realize he's not iconic enough to be playableWhat a fucking loser
>>729372478Justice for Jill! Drill Dozer is easily my favorite GameFreak game.
>>729380478>You make ONE mistake or misunderstandingsame fanbase that didn't know what dragon quest was luhMEOW
>>729379980>It becomes HIS interpretation rather than portraying characters closer to how most people see that character.He mentions how he has to be allowed certain liberties when it comes to a character being added and Smash's prestige as a best-seller means the companies he comes to allow him to do so. The last thing Smash needs is a committee to decide the roster, though that's likely what decided the list of characters that Sakurai picked from, but he needs someone else to balance him out. The most he could do now is simply be the negotiator for characters (We're gonna get SOME 3rd parties, new ones whether we like it or not) and let a new guy handle the series in a new direction.>>729380087Smash sold itself on the characters, not the gameplay. Melee was the brief window in which you had characters and gameplay equally aligned, but Sakurai chose the former instead of the latter, and I don't play competitively, I just like having good movements in my games.
Things that Snoys have been forced to worship in order to force concern and get people to turn on Nintendo and the Switch:>The old Donkey Kong games>Ocarina of Time>pre-BoTW Zelda games>Iwata>Reggie>GameCube>Wii U>Super Smash Bros. Melee>Mario Kart 8>Metroid Prime 1-3>BombermanLooking forward to them suddenly praising New Horizons and Smash Ultimate all of sudden.
>>729380364>exclusively American thingI like the part where obsessed third worlders will say unfamiliarity with an over-shilled IP is an "American thing" instead of an "everywhere that isn't Japan thing," even after literally saying Waifu Emblem is popular in ONE specific part of the world. And that's not even touching the fact that Japan has notoriously bad taste in what a good character is to begin with.Nobody in yuroland gave a shit about FE either. Get your head out of your ass.
>>729380709>GameCubedon't gotta force me to worship the lunchbox
>>729377075In a perfect world we’d have Black Mage and Cloud. I could give lesser than two fucks if FF7 was their golden goose right after they betrayed Nintendo for Sony in the 90s.
>>729380553The Mii costume also came with a Burning Town remix. It was worth the 75 cents or whatever it cost
Has the importance of Nintendo/retro games been inflated by Youtubers?
>>729377303>Dragon QuestHeck I’d argue Dragon Quest has pretty good representation, even with Slimes appearing in its stage, FF7 just has Material Summons which you can turn off if you play Omega/Battlefield form like why couldn’t we have a Chocobo or Moogle anywhere in Midgar?
>>729381165>Shantae got music>but not BombermanIT'SNOTFAIR
>>729377303>How Ness isn't allowed to peace-sign.Meanwhile fucking Daisy could do the peace sign both in a taunt and victory animation
>>729364552I hate the concept of echoes so fucking much. Espscially where you apparently can't complain because "at least they're playable" even though your favorite is an echo of a character completely unfun to play as.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=JZmw3jzX1t0&feature=youtu.beLaugh at BomberniggersBlown the fuck awayHe's all washed up and stinkyNo fanbase, lol that's gayHe once was very popularThe top dog of the worldThen went Hudson went belly-upTransitioned to Bombergirl!
Surpassed by it's gacha porn spinoff, how embarrasing!
>>729364552Only characters on the right that might deserve a slot are shovel knight and alucard Fuck the rest of them. Waluigi is a nobody, issacs game is painfully overrated, skull kid is a mid tier NPC, and allowing sakurai to butcher another sonic character would be a fate worse than death
Rosterfags are some of the most insufferably stupid people in any video game community. They three or four games' worth of data to draw on, but they ignore it all to make blind guesses and then get mad when those blind guesses don't align with reality.The only characters in >>729364552 who ever had a snowball's chance in hell of getting in are Shadow and Waluigi, and both conditionally. If SEGA's recent promotion of Shadow (the third Sonic movie and Shadow Generations) had started sooner, they'd theoretically have been able to push for Shadow in Smash. And I think Waluigi would have only been included if it was at the expense of Piranha Plant, since they're basically both joke characters whose purpose is to show how extensive Ultimate's roster is.Every other character on the left is either irrelevant to their respective brands or competing with much more relevant characters for limited space.
>>729370819cherrypicking
>>729381920Does being in Smash really change the image of a franchise/character to the public? Bomberman used to be loved, but now he's seen as a failed/loser franchise because he got BTFO.R1 sold millions since it came out before smash, but R2 flopped since Smashfags only wants games with playable characters. Can't even get games on NSO or a collection.
>>729381554It's even more ridiculous with how scuffed the handling of characters like Doc, Dark Pit, and Olimar/Alpha are handled. Not consistent.>>729381861>skull kid is a mid tier NPCAs one of the biggest MM fanboys I know, absolutely agree. Plenty of better Zelda character picks.
>>729377895I know anon, the reveal trailer was amazing, but Ridley could be better executed
>>729381920yet, you type like a rosternigger.
Half the posts in this thread feel like dead internet theory
>>729378079Thoughts on Fighting Game Reps?
>>729382103>some echoes, like Dark Pit have an entirely set of unique attributes on their specials>some, like Daisy, are perfect clones
>>729378385Could it really be true?
>>729382273stop spamming phonenigger.
>>729382270Seething furgin.
>>729374107almost all smash discussion is just the hype cycle of>NEW GAME?>WHO'S IN?!>PLEASE REWORK [old character]no one discusses the gameplay or singleplayer content because it kind of sucks. the singleplayer content especially feels like buying a ticket to some sort of interactive museum. no one discusses the multiplayer except for compfags and redditors bitching about elite smash.but yes every point the anon you're replying to made is also false.
>>729364552Holding the reveal of certain Assist Trophies was just plain mean... Seriously! Why do that? He held off the reveal of Skull Kid, Isaac and Shadow as assist trophies for the last possible moment and for what? To get us excited for their triumphant return?Look, it's fine that they didn't add them due to time constraints or other reasons. It's Sakurai's game and he knows what he's doing. But why go through all this trouble?Shadow's assist trophy was mysteriously missing from the Direct, website and gameplay. They added Knuckles. A precedent for 3rd party echo fighters was created. What did you think people were going to think?Skull Kid was also missing. There's been no new Zelda characters since Melee (Toon Link's still Link). The Moon was added as an AT from Majora's Mask. What did you think people were going to think? The whole chair thing is proof of the false expectations you create by not simply showing it off right off the bat. And the way you revealed it: "Yeah, it's on the website." You didn't even put it in the Direct. Why play with people's expectations like that?But, then there's Isaac... Oh boy... People have been begging for Isaac since 2001. He's been one of the most consistent character requests for years. You made him an AT in Brawl, but then, you remove him from Smash 4 and people, rightfully so, get suspicious. Are you planning something for him? Maybe DLC? That wasn't the case. But, then you reveal Ridley first, a long requested fighter. Then, you reveal K. Rool after that, another long requested fighter. And Isaac is yet to be seen. But, one of the screenshots in the website is layed out EXACTLY like a Golden Sun battle. What did you think people were going to think?Sakurai really should apologize to the fans, this kind of behaviour is really unacceptable and unprofessional for someone like him. I really hope he retires after this game.
>>729382671They cut trophies and replaced them with pngs. Absolute soulless.
>>729370819To show that they could have added even more good characters like Skull Kid and Shadow instead of garbage like Incineroar and a random Mario enemy they pulled out of a hat.
Who did you vote for in the Smash Ballot? If you have a screenshot then please share for the nostalgia
this isn't funny guys, let me out of hereAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHLET ME OUT NOW, IT WAS MY TURN TO SMASH. LET ME LET ME OUT LET ME OUT, I'M POPULAAAAAAR. I WANT TO PLAY WITH YOU GUYS.
>>729383094Shut the fuck up Itoddler, we can see you post all the same images, kill yourself. I bet you are a zoomer.
>>729382096I don't think that has anything to do with Smash, Bomberman was just never that popular. It was a very simple arcade puzzle game that has been trying and failing to reinvent itself for decades. It's almost embarrassing how many Bomberman games there are, and how many of them are cheap garbage. Ironically, the Bomberman games on Nintendo platforms were some of the only ones to have any success with reinventing Bomberman (64, Second Attack, Generations, Jetters), but if you ever look at a timeline of Bomberman releases they're adrift in a sea of forgotten slop.Act Zero was the moment when Bomberman lost all credibility as an IP, and it went into hibernation years and years before Smash Ultimate even began being talked about. Honestly, it's a pretty big win for Bomberman to even be included.
>defunct company>no moveset potential>no good music>shit sales, 2 million is the highest the series ever reached>tons of games that never saw a Western releaseBomberman was never a big enough deal, C-lister at best. Hudson Soft was too retarded to captalize on him properly. Jetters could have easily made the series more popular in the West if they localized it. Especially since there were a bunch of video game animes in the early 2000s.
>>729382883yeah i almost mentioned this because it makes the interactive museum experience a lot worse
>>729373415This, unironically. And I say this as a Smash fan. At least the Fortnite devs are willing to put anyone in, even insane picks like handsome Peter Griffin from that one episode of Family Guy. But for some reason, Nintendo only likes to add Fire Emblem characters and random shit no one cares about, with a few token fan requests here and there. When they could add exclusively fan requests instead of wasting data on Isabelle and Byleth.
>>729383367you never cared about smashfuck off rosterfag
these threads are just a rallying point for the same ~8 autists to post the same copy & pasted paragraphs they have saved on a Notepad
i want more echo fighters, give me:liquid snake/big boss/venom snakeevil ryudq1, dq4, dq6 herometal sonicfunky kong
>>729383416Smash if literally about the roster retard. I'm sorry that you're content playing as a million different Fire Emblem characters that are all identical but some of us have standards.
>>729383252Hudson Soft USA went defunct in 1995, hence why it never had a consistent publisher here. It went from Atlus, Nintendo, Vatical, Majesco, Ubisoft, Activision and more. Second Attack flopped hard since Nintendo did not publish it like they did with 64 and Hero. Not many copies were made.This killed the identity of Bomberman in America, no consistent publisher behind it. Also explains why Bagura had a million different names that kept changing every game. No comics, no Western cartoon, no anything. In the 1990s, more people knew Buster Bunny than Bomberman, that's how incompetent the marketing was.
>>729383497>he did angry fortnite dances when he unlocked Dr. Mario in Melee
>>729383510Thanks for the additional context. Hudson... had a hard life...>HeroFuck, I mixed up Second Attack and Hero. Hero's such a good game.
>>729383252Also WAY too many Japan-only games. Not a single Bomberman game was released for the PS2 in North America. Not that it really mattered since all they made were shovelware spinoffs instead of a big main game. Have you tried Bomberman Kart? Fucking atrocious game. Even from the gameplay it looks like ass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fPJ2wqb2zw
>>729383497again, you are not wantedgo back to r/fortnite
>>729383761It's nice of you to invite me to the subreddit you mod but no thanks.
>>729383724>White Bomber veers off the fucking road, crashes into a wall, and gets stuck>in the fucking demo reelno...
funny how every other platform fighter that tries to astroturf with rosterfagging immediately crashes and burnswonder what that means?
>>729383510>more people knew Buster Bunny than BombermanAre you Famicom from /co/? No wonder you're so autistic.
>>729383863
>>729383467Says the faggot spammerhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/mpTZBJTi1wQPoOz3Y3w1Kg/
>>729383948it means don't forget to make a good game behind all your rosterfaggotry. or in gamemill's case, don't fucking charge $50, again, for NASB2 after NASB1 got notoriously bad press for how cheap it looked, sounded, and felt for $50. fucking morons.
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>>729383975No, I just listed Tiny Toons since it was huge in the early 1990s with multiple media. You can replace it with Beavis and Butthead and its still a correct statement. Mega Man was on Captain N, had his own cartoon and made several covers on Nintendo Power. Capcom knew how to market him very well, Hudson? Not so much.
>>729383948Name 5
When will she be in?
>>729383510This reminds me what happened with Crash Bandicoot. After Naughty Dog in the 2000s, it was tossed around to multiple studios that had no idea what to do with it.
>>729383863Kek>he got burned so hard he slunk away from the thread in shameGood one
>>729364552Echoes/semi echoes don't hurt, just add. PP is more based and recognizable than everyone on the right plus a Pokemon addition is guaranteef and only competes with its own franchise
NEVER EVER BOMBERFAGS>ITS HIMHAHAHHHAAHAA OH NONONO
>>729385076> PP is more based and recognizable than everyone on the right Stop spamming faggot.>>729367534
>Bombersnoys have to pretend to like a shitty 24 year old Nintendo game in attempt to discredit the Switch because its success mindbroke them so hardGamecubesnoys are a pathetic phenomenon.
>>729384687nonot even SEGA knows what to do with this irrelevant character
>Bomberman sold so poorly that his company went bankrupt, faded from western publicity and got overshadowed by a coomer spinoff. His 40th anniversary came and went with no fanfare, with his latest game being a major flop. Despite being the oldest of the 3, he is the least iconic and has barely any sincere fans>Rayman came back into relevance almost a decade ago with the new style of runner games after the whole Rabbids takeover, and was very well received while it still got new entries. Nowadays the character has had a whole DLC in the Mario xcom clone that made fun of how much of a loser he is. Currently is a main character in a godawful Netflix show that also shits on him and his legacy, making him all angsty and tryhard>Ever since the remake trilogy(+1) dropped, Crash Bandicoot has been handled terribly. Between a new entry that failed expectations across the board, the trilogy's dev team being gutted and scattered to work on other projects, and a tone-deaf attempt to salvage a tech demo by slapping the Crash IP onto it (because that worked so well last time), everything surrounding Crash screams of corporate meddling. Crash as of now is a woke franchise, with many gay undertones and fetishy character designs and the franchise is worse than it was 15 years agoThese 3 are lolcow characters and should never be playable. Washed up losers.
Bomberniggers... our response?
what's with all the schizo shit
>>729364552I just wanted Shadow.The Grinch leak broke me.
So this is why they removed the IP counter
Seeing Bombermanlet getting BTFO was funny. They were delusional and thought their shitty C-list character from a defunct studio was on the same level as Mario, Sonic, Pacman and Mega Man.Bomberman was never iconic, the fact NOA had to insert Wario into his game to sell is proof of this. Wario himself was only 2 years old at the time while Bomberman was 11 years old, yet he quickly surpassed Bomberman in popularity.
>>729364552>Peach clone>Common Mario mook>Pokémon that nobody cares about anymore>The only valid pick>Fire Emblem + Sword User + Anime
>>729385656>Isabelle>validI'd rather have Bill O'Reilly in Smash than her.
>>729385521That's just how the Smash fanbase is.
>>729376112Mario in a doctor suit and the others are not considered echoes just because echoes didnt exist when they were first introduced
>>729380734You do realize Nintendo care way more about what Japan thinks than what everywhere else thinks. Its their home fucking market anon.Also no one gives a fuck what Europoors care about.
>>729384687First you should be asking for Sonic to have a moveset that isn't AIDS to play against.
>>729376698The KOs don't get counted in the stats if you play Smashdown or the 5V5 mode.
Waluigi is such a fucking nothing character. Literally just Diet Wario until they decided to push the rose he had for one victory animation in Mario Party. And now that's all he does.
Is the reason why Bombermansnoys seethe so hard at the Switch 2 because the console sold more in one week than the Bomberman franchise sold in its entire lifespan?
>>729386240
>>729385752Isabelle is the most popular AC character, WTF are you talking about?
>>729386323That's Tom Nook
>>729380709>>729385381>>729386243>Bringing up "snoys" in the Nintendo fighting game threadYou fuckers need to take your meds and stay on topic
I can't believe there's someone this obsessive about fucking Bomberman of all people, he's a fucking nobody.
>>729376698I hate that they're still reusing shit from Brawl, period. It has the worst voices for a bunch of characters and the victory themes were an objective downgrade from Melee's orchestra.
>>729386470Any real Nintendo fan hates Bombermansnoys and acknowledges the Switch as Nintendo's Golden Age/successful era. You're embarrassing yourself through baseless assumptions out of cope.
>>729386470Nah he's right, Bomberman is a nobody and these contrarian snoys hype him up as this legendary video game icon when in reality, he's a washed up loser who lost and got raped, with a defunct studio and terrible salesfigure.
>>729386584Who even is a Bombermansnoy? Is he in the thread right now?
>>729380934>I could give lesser than two fucks if FF7 was their golden goose right after they betrayed Nintendo for Sony in the 90s.
Niggas really clowning on bomberman for being irrelevant when banjo wouldn't even be in this game if jontron didn't make a video on nuts&bolts
>>729386470>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! DON'T ATTACK MY FAILED LITERAL WHO MASCOT!Cope harder Bombersnoy
>>729364552I don't think so, most people are unhappy with many newcomers
>>729386659Must be Eric under a new pseudonym.
>>729385232You've got a brain disease
>>729382346>Donkey Kong >No Donkey Kong Country logo on the left Invalidated just for that.
>>729386659Dumbasses who think Bomberman is iconic when he really isn't. Bombergirl outsold the entire franchise.
>>729386835Says the Plantfaggot, you never cared for the character expecet to piss others off. Kill yourself saltfag.
>>729386684All of these love and praise Banjo and shit on Bomberman. Banjo undeniable has a far bigger fanbase and legacy.
>>729386657See, this is the problem I have with you mentally ill Nintendo faggots. You're in a fucking Smash thread. It is a game where Mario and Pikachu fight. No one in this fucking thread is a Sony guy (and there probably aren't many people on /v/ like that anyway since the PS5 was shit on constantly here). But anytime something comes up that you don't like, it's now "snoy" as if these are real people and not tulpas you created in your deranged head. Fuck, Bomberman was hardly a Playstation character. It's just some autist that is obsessed with hating an innocuous character. Again, take your fucking meds. You Nintendo people are insufferable as fuck even in your own goddamn threads.
>>729386904Any examples in this thread?
I would trade Mii Slop for Character Costume DLC
>>729376698Skins are still boring despite being five games in. >no disguised Pyra/Mythra>no armored Mewtwo>no MGS1 Snake>no Meowser>etc.
>>729378079Kazuya is pretty great, I just wish smash online wasn't such a lagfest. He feels terrible to play on it
he's in
>>729387215>>729373081>>729373348
>>729387198>NESsnoys>SNESsnoys>N64snoys>Cubesnoys>Wiisnoys>WiiUsnoys>Switch1snoysHow do we stop them ruining the good name of Switch 2, the current nintendo product?
Remember when Bomberfaggot joined the Smash Countdown despite not being playable? What a little loser he was. /v/ mocked him when it happened, it was not a positive thread.
>>729388191We don't remember because we don't obsess over Bomberman nearly as much as you do.
Even the assist trophy model is a reused model from Super Bomberman R. Sakurai and staff literally didn't give a shit about his presentation.You are delusional if you think this piece of shit failed mascot is iconic or noteworhty, otherwise they actually would update the model and give him the best effort. Couldn't even be assed to insert any Bomberman music. What a fucking bozo. Press S to spit.
>>729388340Cope nigger, Bombershart got teared apart that day.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/441003179/
>>729376698>Tropical Freeze's arrangement of Jungle Hijinxs is called Swinger Flinger, the name of the temple level it DOESN'T play on>Yoshi's Story 64 is renamed Super Happy Tree, but Mushroom Kingdom II isn't renamed to Subcon>some victory themes are sped up, some are significantly shortened, some are unchanged, some are completely redone AND shortened, some have bad editing where you can tell they dragged the fading out end over the sped up part, and Yoshi's is completely missing the ending>Pac-Man doesn't have a star KO/death sound despite having his arcade death sound for Street Smash on the 3DS>Isabelle and Olimar are silent>Yoshi's Island is classified as a Yoshi stage, meaning you can't play most of the SMW songs because those are under yhe Mario series>Skull Kid and the Moon are separate ATs so he has to get a bunch of made up effects>Planet Zebes and Sector Z didn't return, but Smashville and Town&City can co-exist>Shulk's final smash adding a character>Kirby and Ness get new voice lines every game (makes sense, same VA), but Sakurai couldn't get in Charles Martinet to record new lines for Mario characters at any point between Sm4sh and Ultimate >and yet he got back Captain Falcon's voice actor just for Min Min's reveal
>>729388420>Remember this post from over 7 years ago?Please don't tell me you're past your 20s.
>>729364552I don't want any 3rd parties.
I am so happy that Sakurai ruined the dreams of every genofag with this mii costume>Duuuude my obscure tutorial guide for an old SNES game that no one talks about is absolutely worthy of a character slot! Fuck you. Get raped
>>729389158You aren't any better Itoddler.
>>729389158Obsessed
>>729371641Who is he and why should I care?
Ayumi is inhttps://youtu.be/lbIraDR0X8E?si=IP8e3zfLXBs7SjRg
SOUL
SOULLESS
>>729388560>>>/vt/ranny
>>729389447>>729389509I wonder who the artist is.
>>729384019>like 20 times over 5 yearsNta what was this supposed to prove lol
>>729390109Same 2 posts are you, you call others Gamecubesnoys and other retarded shit.
>>729390275Oh ok I guess he provoked E***
So will Bombernigger be in Sonic Crossworlds or will he get BTFO yet again? We are going to laugh at his retarded ass when he inevitably gets shafted.
>>729390471Does Eric even like Bomberman? I doubt even he played those shitty forgettable games.
>>729383080I agree both the joke character and obligatory Pokemon didn't fly over as well as the prior games' examples (and that FEmblem at this point is a legitimate Smash-tumor), but making a cherrypicked image when we still got far more decent picks than not especially with DLC included isn't going to help back that.
