>game has a perk system>a lot of the perks are a % boost to stats>doesn't tell you if it's additive or multaplicative
>stats have a hidden cap should be punishable by death
>>729367578by an unspecified amount of cuts
>>729367380I look like this and say this
>>729368056kys lol
>Gain a 4% speed boost for 2 seconds after successfully perfect dodging an attack.
>>729367380>this weapon has an A scaling in Dex>but it doesn't get as much of a damage boost from it as this other weapon with an A scaling in Dex>why?>fuck you, that's why.
>>729367380>Perk doesn't mention any numbers, just says shit like "you sprint faster" >Grab it>It's like 1%>Can't reset skill points
>>729368346Probably because the base damage is different? >Nooo daggers should get as much flat bonus damage as spears
>doesn't tell you if it's additive or multaplicative>the two top websites everyone uses for guides for the game has spread false information for 20 fucking years>the entire playerbase is confidently incorrect and playing wrong
>game has luck stat >doesn't tell you what it does>it doesn't do anything
>>729368553Enough math nerds exist that it could be quickly discerned if it's additive or multiplicative, so I doubt that that's possible on that basis alone.It'd still be a kick in the nuts depending on how long out you have to wait to actually find out if gains are additive/multiplicative though.
>>729368762It's happened with wowhead and icyveins. A bunch of guides supporting THE cookie cutter builds are factually incorrect, and the part that sucks is the player would need to mess around with the server to figure it out.For example, in WotLK, people keep saying arcane mages can get over 100% combat casting regen with a glyph, and the only reason I know you can't go over 100% is because I hosted my own server and figured it out.
>skill is +20% chance for items drop>it's multiplicative not additive>monsters with 1% drop chance now drop items at 1,20%>... which is rounded to 1%
>>729369029I guess I'm spoiled, that just comes across as baffling
>>729367380>+6% (type) damage>+2% "ADDITIONAL" (type) per (condition)>"INCREASES" (type) damage by +20% if (condition)>deals "double damage">(type) damage "SCALES" by +30% if (condition)>+20% (type) damage "MULTIPLIER">there's also a damage bonus from stats, which may or may not be multiplicative or additive with the mainline additive damage bonusKek, I just bought Wolcen and the stat lines are going to give me conniptions. Worst part is it's a eurojank game with half-assed ESL translation, so it's hard to tell whether things actually do something or are just flavor text. My guess is the first is additive and the rest are multiplicative, but who knows.
>>729367380Always assume multiplicative unless it states otherwise. Some games also like to use x[X]% and +[X]%. But, yeah, some games just don't tell you and expect you to just feel it out.
>>729369029Imagine not using simulationcraft to optimize your rotations
>pick up weapon modification>+1% attack speed
>>729369270>break point is somewhere near 34%>statistically impossible to get over 14% increased attack speed
I asked ChatGPT if there were trans women in the stone age and it told me scientists say that the stone age was very gender diverse and inclusive.
>>729368526>AND IN THIS HOUSE MIYAZAKI IS A HERO!
>>729368287I avoid shit like this. is it autism if I dont like retarded buffs kicking in without my say? in a single player game obviously
>>729369413That is almost word for word a Darktide talent lmao. I guess it pays to know that dodges replenish in <1s. So you just keep a 4:4 beat you can just swing, dodge, swing, dodge, and basically have infinite dodges and proc +4% speed boost indefinitely
>>729369413No, you just have good taste. Micromanagine microscopic stat buffs is retarded. It pretty much ruined Nioh for me.
>perk boosts damage for weapons in a certain category>arbitrarily doesn't apply to weapons that clearly fit said category>no way of knowing without checking the wiki
>game has status conditions / ailments>common enemies are so weak it's faster to just kill them normally>bosses are completely immune to them
>>729367876By what you said?
>>729367380me on the left
>>729369704>perk is unclear enough that everyone argues over whether it does X, as it strongly seems to imply, or Y, which it vaguely seems to imply>initially everyone thinks it does X, but with time it becomes well accepted that it does Y>test it myself, it actually does nothing at allRPGs are a cursed genre.
>>729369413I think conditional buffs are fine if it the activation triggers aren’t a pain, encourages a solid playstyle, and gives meaningful advantages. Single-digit percentage increases with minimal uptime for example are trash.
>>729368459>makes you sprint faster>actually just adds more motion blur and visual clutter while not actually increasing the speed at all
>>729370045Game_Dev.webm
Not having access to knowledge of mechanics and functions in a game can be pretty shitty in many cases though I don't know a lot of games that are huge offenders here. There are however two I can think of.Xcom EW: Long war and Battle brothers.>>729369761Remunds me of how Seymor in FFX in the Mt. Gagazet fight actually isn't immune to poison and is such an overall roadblock that poison is actually very useful and widely recommended for him. Also fell seal Arbiter's mark worked heavily with status effects as I recall which was nice.
>>729367380Stst boosts should never multiply at all. That's how shit gets out of hand. Developers have no discipline.
>>729367380>multiplicativeany game that does that is fucking trash>oh wow cool 10% crit sword>check stats>1.1% crit
>attack speed stat>only starts actually doing something at at +100% mark because engine cant do incremental increases and only when stat doubles it adds an extra attack>practically impossible to get the stat at that 100% mark unless you happen to know that one of the abilities is bugged and instead of increasing movement speed like it says, it increases attack speed instead
>passive buffs apply to random bullshit that has nothing to do with the description
>>729369029Uh, anon, there's no assurance that mechanical implementation on your locally hosted server is the same as some other server (such as retail Wrath servers in 2008-2010, or Blizzard's Classic servers, or even any other private server that either is based on a different or different version of open source server software, or that has their custom fixes that they haven't contributed back to the open source server).That being said, WoW is actually a pretty great example since it must have been one of the most thoroughly theorycrafted games of its era (or any era), not obviously terribly complex, and yet in vanilla/TBC, occassionally even Wrath (at which point you started having theorycrafting software like SimCraft) and possibly later, with theorycrafting knowledge having advanced even further since, we do know for a fact that even robustly theorycrafted guides like Elitistjerks, never mind "the common wisdom", have been confidently wrong.
>>729367380>+10% crit chance>"damn this must be really good">it actually increases your current crit chance by 10% instead of adding +10% to it, so really its only like a +1% increase
>>729372316>30% crit damage>doesn't increase your crits by 30% in total, but the added bonus of crits by 30%
>>729372316Thank you for this photo. my fuckin sides
>>729372572>30% crit damage>it sets your crit damage bonus to 30%, down from 100%
>>729369704is that the cowboy perk?a police revolver isn't cowboy enough sorry not sorry
>>729372316>>it actually increases your current crit chance by 10% instead of adding +10% to it
We have had quite a few threads like this and its pretty clear what kind of perk design is utterly retarded and what not.How about we try and come up with some good perk ideas and systems?
>>729374621Eh, just write perks that actually do what they say according to common sense. And avoid unnoticeable tiny increases unless players are actually able stack those up for greater effect.
>>729373974based devs
>>729367380>mfw i see anons post interracial cuck porn and sissies in chastity cages on /v/ againwhy are gamers like this...
>>729367380>It's balanced around you knowing and using the most effective strategy, but also they patch out the most effective strategy whenever it pops up.
