Turns out that this is all you really need to play Japanese video games.
おお!そうなんですかーる?
>>729368058qrd
>>729368058I wish, it might be enough to play final fantasy since basically all spell names are actually english words but if you want to play something like pokemon you're going to have a really hard time
>Turns out that this is all you really need to play famicom slopFixed that for you.
>>729368058If you're playing nes games maybe
>>729368126Every other word is an English loan word. セーブ = Seibu = Save. That sort of thing.
Nah, you also need kanjis
>>729368123holy shit i just read this without aid and got the joke. maybe i'll be able to be a dekiru one day!
>闘う*blocks ur path*
>>729368270ニーガ
>>729368398life is a game
>>729368270You're grossly overstating how many loan words there are in general. You will need to learn a lot of general vocab most of which includes kanji. Time to hit the flash cards my man, and good luck
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>>729368429ワチュセイニッガ?
>Japanese voices: ON>English text: ONIts gaming time.
>>729368058Definitely not you fucking idiot. 200 basic Kanji and Hiragana. If you don't need to understand stories or something and just wanna play with no issue, mostly, then that should be enough.
>>729368058ひらがな...... 終わりだ
>yeah bro it's easy cause it's used for loan words and shitlol>オウガバトルlmao
>>729368123Kate a cute
>>729368570ww
>>729368435It will be very fun doing this for every word in a game that you can't read. And while you might eventually learn common words this way it is neither an efficient method of learning nor comprehensive. Sorry babe, it's flash card time
>>729368543>Japanese voices:>"He left early.">English text:>"Fucking bodied that sus dikcsucker"
so is there a comprehensive lrn2moonrunes guide or... ?
>>729368583Stop watching a stream you can't understand, buddy.
>>729368618i don't play games and the only form of japanese media i consume is porn when i goon to it for 24 hours
>>729368058japan are thiefs who steal from china!
>>729368270God that brings me back. My friend and I bought the first bleach fighting game for the DS from Fry's electronics back in the day because they used to stock imports. Neither of us knew any Japanese but as you went through the menus you'd hear Ichigo say it in English lmao.>Sutori modo da>A-kedo modo da>Basazu modo da>Opushionsu modo daSoul society was still airing at the time so the "super secret" badass character to unlock was just Hollow Ichigo. Like, the normal black and white in his mind version. Couldn't event unlock the masked version because that didn't happen yet in the anime lmao.God that brings me back.
>>729368543Japanese voice:>ありがとうEnglish text:>I love you
I've seen examples of pre-war Japanese written exclusively in kanji, every particle had a fucking kanji equivalent, it's utterly unbelievable.
>>729368649>>729368915Kino.
>>729368915Americans can't handle a thank you.
>>729368916>every particle had a fucking kanji equivalent,>a (as in one)Lol. Lmao, even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27y%C5%8Dgana
>>729368058i went to japan and didn't need to know any japaneseeveryone in japan seems to know english
>>729368662Ask DJT on either jp or int or whatever the fuck board is on right now. Just make sure to read along the way instead of pure memorization or you'll never get anywhere and be stucked being called an anki drone.
>>729369025*service English. If you want to actually talk with people and not just ask directions, you're fucked.
>doing kaishi 1.5k daily>get to 1200~ cards doing 10 new cards every day>got fever, take one day off and skip anki for a day>the deck becomes impossible to catch up to>spent the next 2 weeks trying to catch up doing anki for 3 hours straight>burn out and give up with merely 250 or so new cards left in the deck>havent touched anki in 5 monthsできない。。。
Why would I need a sword to play Japanese video games?
>>729369183It's 2 swords, dumpass. 刀夕刀ナ.
>I don't understand what X means and how and when it is usedjust ask chatgpt>man I can't read these runes I wonder what it saysjust run it through google ocrit's that simple now
>>729369128many people just had portable translatorsthey speak into the translator and the translator translates it into spoken japanese in real time
>>729369275Your mom let's you have TWO swords??
>>729369283i used google lens a lot too, it translates any text in real timei love that my language is so powerful, technology is made to turn lesser languages into my language
>>729368846I think I played all Bleach DS games. I remember the fighting game, the visual novel + final fantasy tactics one and there was another one that I don't remember very well
>>729368058Did this thanks to a vidya magazine starting its Japanese course with katakana so I could understand words like ファイアボール. Ten years later in Japanese class I was the only one who could read Western city names.
When I started learning Japanese I took it seriously, I went through Genki I&II, I was doing WaniKani every day. I mastered the grammar points from Genki, my vocab was coming along alright, I was fluent in reading kana and I "knew" a few hundred kanji (even though if you asked me to write one from memory I most likely wouldn't have been able to, which is why I now consider WaniKani to be a bad learning tool).But at one point it hits that even when you have made so much progress, you can barely make out two sentences when watching an anime and you still keep look at jisho.org when reading. It's really disheartening how difficult learning a language is. I think the most efficient way of learning a language is living in the country where it is spoken, where you will be exposed to it every day and you have no other choice than to master it yourself.
>>729369541You wouldn't learn any better if you moved to Japan, retard. You'd just spend all day in your apartment on the western internet.You improve by reading. That's it, if you're planning on learning a language without engaging with it, you're going to have a bad time. Sane people learn languages for a reason though.
>>729369630Maybe if I were a terminally online neet like you. Most people are normal, when they move countries they find a job (or do so before moving), friends etc. etc. You cannot function normally in a foreign language-speaking country without speaking the language.
>>729369958it would be nice if that was true
>>729369630I learned 乳首 from a prostitute. Checkmate.
>>729369630I don't think just reading helps with shit like the differences between ~てたまらない, ~てしかたがない and ~てならない, or ~とともに, ~にともなって, ~につれて, and ~にしたがって. I mean, it will help you grasp shit, but with some shit you need an extra push to learn how to actually use it
>>729368058Without using Translator or AI, tell me what is written here.
>>729369630>You improve by reading. That's it,That's absolutely false. How do you just forgo listening skills?
>>729370195>って言うか?I really cannot stand this kind of dialogue.
My degree plan is making me learn Japanese and I'm starting next month. Would taking the class actually make me proficient or at least be able to understand basic "Japanese"? and thoughts on quizlet for flashcards since that's what I used for most of my school learning.
>>729370174This is because you're retarded, grammar guides are for people too stupid to read.>>729370508Listening skills can come later. Wherever possible I use subtitles anyway, just like I do with English.
>>729369050they are shilling https://learnjapanese.moe/guide/
>>729368846I played the hell out of those, despite not knowing Japanese and actually kind of hating the anime.
>>729370952Saying it can come later is like saying grammar can come later after memorizing 3k of vocab. you're only hurting yourself not immersing in the language.
>>729370195something about a close friends and someone having a big nose
>>729371257Grammar can come never, it's something you just pick up past the absolute basics. Again, the shit you're talking about is completely trivial and can be understood by just reading more, not by reading some ESL gibberish "guide".
>>729370840Taking a class will only make you good at passing that class. You need to give a shit outside of class or else it's not going to stick.
>>7293701951/4 Wednesday
愛羅武勇!
>>729368058Turns out that this is all you need for j*p*n*s* games.
I've been learning using Renshuu lately when i feel up to it.Its actually really fun. And I feel far more accomplished in just learning all the kana than ive ever felt playing a video game, even a complicated one
>>729368164I played through multiple Japanese Pokemon games before I'd taken even a single class.
>>729368058i can impress my family and friends by telling them what is written in katakana stuff because it is engrish most of the time. I can read hiragana as well but i dont know a shit of native japanese words
>>729368058>*pierces your 防衛*
>>729369025where did you go? just shibuya and shinjuku and stuff?
>>729372305I got filtered out by learning new alphabets, but apparently some people consider that part super easy, I reckon if I could wrap my head around it learning actual words would be easy, a new grammar sounds tricky though.
>>729372935Kanji is just a matter of learning roots, and most of the more complex kanji have meanings related to the root combinations. The worst part is speaking it, because you might have 100 kanji that are all pronounced ko, and someone might use their finger and trace the kanji on their other palm while saying it so you know exactly what word they're saying. It's like the Roger/Oveur/Clarence scene from Airplane! a million times a day.
>>729370952differences between ~ついで, ~がてら, ~かたがた, ~かたわら. now.
>>729373249Differences between "at the same time", "along with~", "simultaneously" and "while". Now.Seriously, get the fuck out of here with this dumb shit. It's context, you use one over the other because the other ones sound stupid, lmao.
>>729373249>don't know something>act like a pompous tard>anon hands you the answerえらいね
>>729370840>making me learn JapaneseIf you already play games in japanese(sub and dub) on your off time would these classes be easy?
>>729368058By play do you mean bumbling your way through menus? Because in that case you just need the patience to trial and error everything.
I'm gonna say it:Kanji has to go.Kanji is nothing but gatekeeping when you can perfectly communicate fluently with katakana and hiragana.
>>729374102LOL no.
>>729369630I wouldn't have learned shit if I hadn't come to japan, sure, you can do it outside the country but it will take longer and it will be a lot less motivating as you're not making use of it>>729374327I think the same but it's not gonna happen in our lifetime. It would need some form of accentuation for kanas and maybe word spacing if they do it though
>>729374340Damn. I was going to recommend anon start doing that to breeze through the glass.
>>729374549*class
>>729371386you must be one of those fabled half-literates who can only read. I applaud you>>729374327moonrunes aren't the problem. it's kanashit. kana has to go. especially onomatopoeic/mimetic words like hirari, zubari, botabota, kikkari, kukkiri, assari, kosokoso, gorogoro, korokoro, jitabata, potsun, sokosoko, kicchiri, kichinto, etc.
>>729368123Holy fuck it must have been ten years but I still hear it perfectly.
>>729374542Kanji can't be replaced entirely but they probably could do some simplification like the chinese did
>>729374327Japanese would be horrific to try and learn as a foreign without kanji, the homophones are endless.
>>729368503He definitely does, but the first wall you hit is a really fucking high one for a lot of readers and you arrive to it once learning the kana. >What does it say?>Looks like "chuu-ra">Okay...what does that mean?>Fuck if I knowI'd wager a lot of us had a few instances of this when going to Japan the first time before getting vocab more under control.
>>729370195>thats our ace (player)!>Guess/ you could say I'm proud of having you as a close friendAnd no im not using some translator shit. This isnt beginner level japanese but it's not advanced either."hana ga takai" = "being proud" , nothing to do with big nose lol>>729370553tteiuka is a bit like say "like" in english... for example: "like for real!!" , that type of slang. Or "kinda like"
>>729368058I remember thinking this very same thought in high school 20 years ago. I memorized both katakana and hiragana and guess what? It didn't do shit and because I stopped actively forcing myself to use it, writing out the whole alphabet over and over, I completely forgot. Used to write my girlfriend's alias in katakana in birthday/anniversary cards. Stopped doing that about 15 years ago. Now I can't even remember how to write her name anymore. Totally useless information to occupy my brain matter. Don't waste your time unless you're dead serious about being a weeb for the rest of your life and even then it's not like you're actually learning the language. You won't understand what people are saying, just how they sound saying it.
>>729374620>hirari, zubari, botabota, kikkari, kukkiri, assari, kosokoso, gorogoro, korokoro, jitabata, potsun, sokosoko, kicchiri, kichinto, etc.i HATE these "sound words" as i like to call them.. it's the type of GARBAGE you see in manga for sound effects.. and it's probably the HARDEST crap to fucking learn cause it sounds like vomit random crap. We dont have that shit in other languages.
>>729369335>they speak into the translator and the translator translates it into spoken japanese in real timeDo you have a link? Like an actual dedicated device and not an app on your phone? I thought these didn't really exist.
>>729374680why not? you don't need kanji to speak, so why would you need it for writing? and it's not like they have any complicated sounds, and then even tongue click languages are written without moonrune shit
>>729375104>i HATE these "sound words" as i like to call themOnomatopoeia you fucking illiterate retard and English has them too
>>729375206for one they want to feel superior to the gaijin, but also speaking in person you can ask if you don't understand what they mean, you can't do that in writing. There's always a shitton of text in every TV program even though it's spoken japanese (yes I know some is because of deaf people)
>>729370174If you wanted to know stuff like that you'd just type it into google or a JP-JP dictionary no?
>>729375402Onomatopoeia are only a subset of the "sound words" Japanese have.
>>729375206This anon speaks in katakana.
>>729374327Kanji is way fucking easier to readLove reading Kanji hate when I'm given a big ass line of kana
>>729375104>sound wordsexcept they're not used just for onomatopoeia>>729375402yeah but they are tied into other words>business is booming -> it blew up, it got big (like an explosion)meanwhile you can't say "business went DOKKANNNNNN" and shityou see "kikkari" and you can't tell that it has to do with being on time and exactitude. you see on the dot or sharp and you're instantly reminded of clocks (precise point in time, a cut-off at the exact time)
>>729368058Don't they also have kanjis?
>>729370195protagonist's onahole acts like a protagonist's onahole
>>729375402Onomatopoeia are only used for actual sounds, actually kinda sound like what they mean, and also sparkling lights don't go KIRAKIRABy the way, why do the japanese make their alleged onomatopoeiae always sound like something a toddler would say? it's not cute.
>>729375104>immerse for 5 minutes>suddenly, words and the context you need to remember what they meanIt's literally fucking nothing. Stop anki grinding and start engaging with the language.
>>729376323but then you start saying words like girigiri in the correct situation to yourself when in "English mode" as if they actually make sense and are natural to say
>>729376323Believe that falls under the>the use of words whose sound suggests the sensedefinition of onomatopoeia
>>729374327Kanji can stay but it is pure cancer when there are 4+ complicated kanji in a row
>>729368164>pokemon>really hard timeWTFEveryone can finish it without reading any kind of dialog, including both your grandma and your grandcdren
>>729374895むね!おっぱい!アウーガ!
>>729368058If all you want to understand are the menus sure.
>>729368270no that's seebu
>>729374327nah, it's a good thing to gatekeep retarded faggots
>>729377213>pure cancer when there are 4+ complicated kanji in a rowPathetic
There's literally zero good advice in this thread.You're only going to properly pick up a language by listening to it accompanied by something you understand, so toddler level content and working your way up.Look into CIJ and tell anyone reccing anki to go fuck themselves for trying to waste hundreds of hours of your time
>>729378293Expert fact-checkers have debunked this.
>>729378293anki is just another tool for learning and not something you should base your entire learning on
>>729378403I fact checked your facts and they were exposed as fags
>>729373547>it's contextgood luck picking up the nuances between words with your "immersion" half-literate-kun
>>729378479Are you saying that flashcards are an effective aid learning for *thing* but shouldn't be the soul learning aid used for *thing*?
>>729378293>muh understandI hate you cunts so much. difficulty in languages is all over the place. you don't have media that limits itself "per level"plenty of shit at N1 and N2 level is just the same shit as N3 or N4 but more formal, or less frequently used (e.g. すら vs さえ, にて vs で, 際に vs 時に)to limit yourself only to "comprehensible input" is to handicap yourself by training yourself to stay within a subset of a language. the truth is you'll never get non-straightforward shit like 尤も down if you never see it. what you do is you grasp what's being said, then sort shit into stuff you need to focus on right now and put the harder stuff on a bucket list, preferably with examples and usage notes
>>729377903These subtitles want to be Chinese so fucking bad
>>729379674it's the title of some investigation committee or something, I can't read it all.
>>729378293People that actually believe this are no exaggeration some of the stupidest I know. To be clear for all of those with triple-digit IQ, learning like a fucking toddler is not an efficient method to learn literally *anything*, let alone speaking in a foreign tongue. It's most important to USE the language in a creative setting, much like being given puzzle pieces and learning to fit them together. That's precisely why methodologies like CLT have students speaking primarily. Make no mistake, it is correct that a grammar-based method focusing only on rote memorization IS outdated, but that's only with regards to gaining comprehensive usage in a realistic setting. It's still vitally important to actually sit down and memorize content.Aniki and other spaced repetition platforms are extremely valuable, anyone telling you to stop studying is extremely fucking lazy and probably an idiot, do not listen to them under any circumstances.
>>729379219>the truth is you'll never get non-straightforward shit like 尤もWhy would that be difficult little retard? It's literally just も connected to another も, the meaning of that would be easily understood after a few encounters in context because you grasp an intuitive meaning of も by listening to it used a shit ton
>>729380110>learning like - everyone who ever picked up language - is le badpseudo intelligent moment
>>729380290Yes you idiot, do you think babies learn like that because it's the most efficient or the ONLY way since they have no other choice? Do you think you should do everything like a fucking baby does? Confirmed room temperature IQ moron.
>>729380392If you ever want to intuitively understand the meaning of what you're listening to instead of constantly translating it in your head and recalling thousands of flashcards. Yes.No, it won't take as long as it would for a toddler, because they're learning how to do literally everything else they need to do to exist, your full brain power can go towards listening
>>729369275so you can't play Japanese games without being good at dual wielding?
>>729380630NO. No you idiot, that is completely incorrect. It's totally inefficient to learn *anything* like a toddler because, again, they are only learning that way because they are a fucking baby. The only people that believe the bullshit you're selling are, ironically given your accusations, pseudointellectuals. You should absolutely be using flashcards to learn vocabulary because unlike a baby that lacks object fucking permanence you have a fully-developed brain that can process information and store it in long-term memory.
>>729369275力夕力ナ。
>>729368058once I accepted I'll never be fluent or probably even conversational, I could enjoy studying Japanese moreI've learned enough to know when the translation is a trannyslation and that's enhanced my enjoyment of japanese content
>>729380980Ok remember to deny your future child any language input and teach them on flashcards later because it's "more efficient" and see what the results are.
>>729381141>okay I'm just going to repeat my retarded argument babies learn the way they do because they have no other choice. They are babies. You are not a baby, you are a grown man. You are just as stupid as a toddler. Please stop posting, your idiocy may be infectious
>>729378293this is the truth but you can't wank over how fast you went through 500 cards and other such stats like this. /v/ doesn't have the attention span for anything not gameified
>>729374327shi shi shi shi shi shi
>>729381141you're completely misrepresenting anon's point and go deeper into your own biasthat said, the truth is somewhere in the middle as usual
>>729381226>babies learn the way they do because they have no other choice.So you're saying that the human mind is specifically built to learn language like this because it's integral to human survival, but also that using the biologically built route is bad because rote memorisation exists and is magically more efficient lmao
>>729381269>this is the truthIf you are a complete fucking retard, sure. Pic related it's you
>>729381454>t. his lifetime card count is his greatest achievement
>>729381269most people just see Anki as a necessary evil and do their 10-25 cards a day and then get on with whatever they were reading, watching, listening to, or studying.
>>729381424I'm saying that babies do not have fully developed brains so cannot use advanced language learning techniques. This is true of literally everything, babies don't have fully formed brains. Everyone knows this. Even you know this. Why the fuck would you think it's most efficient to learn something the same way that you did when you thought the world stopped existing when your eyes closed? Is it now a contractual obligation to be a fucking retard on this website?
>>729381551most people don't learn japanese bro
>>729381550>t. learns everything like a baby because he is as stupid as a baby
>>729368543I did this with AI The Somnium Files and the ending was all in the English dub. Fuck you Spike Chunsoft.
>>729381595>Why the fuck would you think it's most efficient to learn something the same wayBecause it's proven to work, not be slower than other methods and have much better end results than them?
毎日勉強しているんけど言葉出てこいなあ会話でけへんわ。。。
>>729381689your crush won't fuck you because of the 1m card count (she wouldn't understand your broken jap in the first place)
>>729381739It is not proven to work, it's SAID to work but it's always from the parties pushing this completely fucked methodology. I guarantee you any dekinai using Aniki would kick the shit out of any language placement test in whatever language you're studying. You're a complete fucking idiot, you should test if bleach is safe by learning like a baby and drinking it.
>>729381624fantastic observation bro
>>729381836your crush wouldn't fuck you because you kept rolling around on the ground and shitting yourself while you insisted you were studying
>>729381928Just do both.
>>729381847>would kick the shit out of any language placement test in whatever language you're studying.You mean the tests that are notorious for having lines of timid students that can't speak a word of Japanese and aren't good at using it in any context that isn't test taking? Well done, you earned n1 but you'll never have a conversation with a Japanese or be able to watch their tv without the captions on.
>>729380392>>729381226>>729381454>>729381595>>729381689>>729381847Lmao the state of this sunk cost fag.
>>729381847it's proven to work, every person who has watched thousands of understood hours of their target language has come out the other end fluent
>>729382051>I invented this insanely stupid conception of reality where I suck ass at testing but I'm somehow good in actual speech.It doesn't exist, you are just a lazy loser that doesn't want to actually study to learn something.
>>729381928the rejection she gives will always sound like 日本語上手ですね!
>>729382459Most native speakers of any language can't articulate the intricacies of the grammar and words that they use every day. Doesn't mean they're worse at speaking and comprehending than some foreigner with a piece of paper.
>>729382506the rejection she gives you will always sound like 'goo goo goo!!!" because you haven't learned to understand rejection yet (you are still a baby)
>>729382702damn dude, didn't know being able to go through life without subtitles and a dictionary makes you a baby
>>729382680Most native speakers could pass a grammar test without difficulty at all. There you go again thinking the fact that you suck ass at understanding a language means you're actually good at it lol
>>729382459cure dolly was very knowledgeable on Japanese and passed n1 but her speaking was not understandable or natural in any sense
>>729382778you're the one arguing in favor of learning like a toddler lmao
>>729382954My buddy learned by starting from toddler-speech but never was able to read a single word or speak it correctly. I guess he cancels out your hearsay.
>>729381551>10-25 cards a dayHow. If I do more than one card a day they start accumulating exponentially
>>729382963yeah you listen to something with pictures you understand and your brain intuitively understands it. saying "b-but toddlers learn like that" doesn't mean it's not the superior method
>>729383081your "buddy" obviously didn't put the hours in buddy
>>729383163You have yet to display it's the superior method, your entire argument of WHY it is superior is precisely because babies use it. Babies only use it because they have to. They can't learn using spaced repetition because they don't even have long-term memory. You're a massive imbecile.
>>729383245That's possible, he still hasn't learned what an hour is yet he's learning like a baby so he's still stuck at learning minutes. He's getting there though
>>729382895And anyone who learns like a native speaker would pass it the same way.Doesn't change the fact you can pass a test without being able to speak or understand it intuitively
>>72938315710 to 25 new cards, I try and keep it balanced so new cards and reviews are about 30 minutes a day at max
>>729383426>And anyone who learns like a native speaker would pass it the same way.Except they wouldn't, that never happens, and you're coping>Doesn't change the fact you can pass a test without being able to speak or understand it intuitivelyThis is just more reductive nonsense. "Uhhhh, no for real I would actually be good at the language but totally incapable of passing a simple comprehension test!" No, you would not. You people are pathetic
>>729383315>You have yet to display it's the superior methodlook at the results of the people who go through it and see a bunch of failures like cure dolly for the read+anki method and none for the just fucking listen for 2k hours to shit you mostly understand method >>729383406how long has he put in? guaranteed double digit hours
>>729383557>Except they wouldn't, that never happens, and you're copingExcept they do, it always happens with certainty and you're coping. Massively, imagine getting this assblasted at people with an objectively successful method.
>>729374327Gatekeeping Japan is good
>>729378293Haven't done this with nihongo yet but it worked for spanish desu
>>729368058>learn Japanese for gaming>menus are all in English
Just read anons. It's as simple as that.
>>729383651>look at the results of the people who go through it and see a bunch of failures like cure dolly for the read+anki method and none for the just fucking listen for 2k hours to shit you mostly understand methodAt no point did I say you should only learn language using flaschards you moron. I said that not using them is not advantageous. That's why I mentioned CLT, which surrounds authentic use of the language. It ALSO involves rote memorization of grammar, like EVERY effective language learning methodology.
>>729384058reading is pretty bad because you're listening to yourself in your head and your pronunciation is wrong
>>729383742There is no one that learns like a baby that has native fluency. It doesn't happen, I guarantee your language skills are shit, and you're a complete lazy retarded loser.
>>729384098flashcards, any form of rote memorization is completely useless. and grammar study beyond a quick glance over the basics is useless too.you're just trying to waste people's time with this shit
>>729375206>you don't need kanji to speak, so why would you need it for writing?The more technical parts of the language use tons of on'yomi / Chinese readings, and those are really similar to each other due to Japanese phonology being very mismatched with Chinese. There's iirc less than 300 unique on'yomi syllables in total, so it makes it essentially impossible to assign a meaning for any of the readings if we assume no kanji knowledge at all, because there's simply too many options per reading.So you'd have to remember whole words. Which is fine, but how are you going to explain the words? Right now, Kanji let you see the connection to the native Japanese vocabulary at least."soku" could be any of these 足 即 束 速 則 息, but they each have a native Japanese word associated with them as well that could help explaining the thing and making the kids remember it. If you sever that, you end up with a random syllable "soku" which could randomly have any of six meanings, and no can see the connection anymore.高速 vs 校則 vs 拘束 vs 光速速攻 vs 即効 vs 足甲
>>729384249>flashcards, any form of rote memorization is completely useless. and grammar study beyond a quick glance over the basics is useless too.Confirmed idiot lol, I am not wasting any more time on you
>>729384125>Um akshuallyFuck off!
I'll learn Japanese the same way I learned English, by tanking thousands of hours of content in English that I really wanted to understandAnki is a necessary first step to that since the only way to read the language is to know how each kanji and each word is written, a process that western languages streamlined into the first year of elementary school, but an inefficient language like Japanese has to spread over 12 years. but I'm just doing listening practice and learning words in the meantime
>>729384162>There is no one that learns like a baby that has native fluency>>meanwhile, every baby ever And you keep coping with this "learning like a baby" line. You're watching content that you're consciously understanding and tailoring to your own ability. Babies have all types of language thrown at them, they're not actively curating their input.
>>729384291Not that anon, but he's right, if you can understand the word when you say it out loud without kanji then you can understand it when it's written on a paper. There's literally no argument you can make against that logic
>>729384315yeah just waisting more years on anki cards and genki memorization lmfao
What are some games with easy enough Japanese and cute waifus?
>>729384431>And you keep coping with this "learning like a baby" lineBecause the person I originally replied to talked about learning like a baby. Which is stupid, not optimal, and useless. If you think you will gain fluency learning like a baby does you are wrong. You suck at the language, you will never gain fluency, and you are making excuses to suck forever because you believed in pseudointellectual garbage.
>>729384579>talked about learning like a baby.No he didn't, he said you have to start at toddler level content. As in slow, easily understandable and simple.Nothing about learning like a baby does.
>>729384326Uhm actually I just re-enforced hundreds of hours of my broken nipponiese in my head but still expect to hear it correctly
>>729384379buddy you can't just say a reasonable thing like that, you gotta pick a side
>>729384682That is learning like a baby. That is totally false. You can learn at adult-level right away, both verbally and written. You do not have to learn like you are a tiny child. I hope this helps room temperature IQ person
>>729384056I've always heard Nips were bad at English but their media has a surprising amount of it. Also it's funny seeing stuff with Japanese and English getting translated into... English. Because Americans only know one language.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqY8zQ1RYI
>>729384379ba-ba-ba-based my ESL brother I do the same shit. People posting the dude who memorized the french dictionnary but couldn't speak the language are pure NGMI retards, vocabulary is the basis of all language. In application, if you can speak every word of a language, anyone who speak said language could understand you without any grammar needed, reading is harder but you will still be able to understand the most important part of a sentence in any language which are nouns and subjects.Knowing only grammar gets you fucking nowhere if you don't have any vocabulary to back it up, it's a longer process but a fun and endearing one.Also that's why I realized quickly how much both N5 and N4 suck fucking ass and any retard who unironically takes pride in passing those should be stonned and ridiculed. Both require the vocabulary level of a 4yo toddler and N3 immediatly goes to early teenager level like 12-13.
>>729384818>I've always heard Nips were bad at English but their media has a surprising amount of it.they just find English coolJust like anons here who think that Japanese is cool but who also suck at it
>>729384782How do you expect to pick out sounds if you have some high speed high complexity shit flying at your face? You don't even need to go slow for long, just enough to understand what sounds you're hearing, easily done in 50 hours max
I hate katakana, for some reason it's infinitely harder for me to read than hiragana.
>buy heisig's remembering the kanji>look inside>it doesn't even tell you to pronounce kanji, just what they meani want my money back, what a fucking scam
>>729384972because it's broken foreign words 90% of the time
>>729384952How does any of this have to do with learning like a toddler? Learning the basics of phonetics and grammar doesn't mean you learn at the toddler level.
>字幕言語:日本語This is enough
シ shi is looking up ツ tsu is looking downsame goes for ン n and ソ so they're just one-eyed
>>729384936Fair. I've seen a few dozen games with MTL'd Japanese in the title just because the developers thought it looked cool, and an equal amount of MTL'd Engrish in anime.
>>729384843Angloid cuntries are over intellectuallised and scoff at simple proven methods like... just listen and read it
>>729385025Studying kanji in isolation is useful as fuck and will speed up learning words like crazy and will give you a ton of confidence while reading Studying kanji READINGS in isolation is fucking retarded and a waste of time, just learn them as parts of words
>>729384535日本語ができるごっこをするつもりなら、この書き込みを日本語で返事しろできなけりゃお前の嘘はバレちゃう
>>729385052>he picked out the sounds by looking at a kana chart and sounding it out Literally how a toddler learns the alphabet btw
COMPREHENSION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU NIGGERS. please start reading as soon as possible.ANKI IS FINE but it shouldn't be the only thing you rely on. At some point, you'll drop it and basically, you need to do shit the old fashioned way of>actually reading>encountering shit you don't know>looking it up as many times as necessary>doing this regularly until you can read something without any helpand basically, this is the only way you're gonna make it.
>>729385258You know what? I'm just going to extend the same offer to you as the other guy, I'm tired of this:>>729385214Go ahead. Impress me with your language skills.
>>729385171One turn nee san was really funIt had probably the only reference to The Witcher 3 I’ve ever seen in an anime.
>>729385025There aren't definitive kanji pronunciations because they are SYMBOLS that represent MEANING, not symbols that represent SOUNDS like kana. Think of the smiling emoji. How do you pronounce that? Is it smile/smiling? Is it happy? Is it cheerful? Is it upbeat? The answer is it can be any of these words because they all share the same meaning. You look at 鬱 and it means depression, it means melancholy, it means a deep sadness. You're supposed to grasp the feeling from what it looks like. 鬱 has the most strokes of the jouyou kanji, it's a pain to write, it makes me sad looking at it, so there are feelings to associate with the meaning.
>>729384972If it makes you feel any better, it's not just you. In Disgaea, the JP skill names for "ice" and "heal" are クール (cool) and ヒール (heal). If a character has both learned, they appear right next to each other on the skill list. Apparently mistaking the two was such a problem that Disgaea Infinite made a gag about it, pic related.
>All this shitpostingSmells like curry in here
>>729385283>>encountering shit you don't know>>looking it up as many times as necessaryThis is fucking retarded though, I looked up 例えば a dozen times in a week with your method and still didn't remember it, meanwhile I saw 新幹線 twice total in an Anki deck over two weeks and know it by heart already, along with hundreds of other wordsEven when you encounter a word that's not common in Japanese, you should add it to Anki so you can actually remember it efficiently instead of wasting time looking it up every time
Teaching in Japan made me fall out of love with moon runes and a lot of things Japanese. I'll visit but I never want to work there ever again in my life.
>>729385592meh, I find it hard to believe considering that they don't have any problems with reading シ and ツ
>>729384818I'm not entirely sure how their english classes are structured but if they are being taught by JET faggots and soon JEET faggots who speak no Japanese, it's no wonder they'll suck or lose interest in the long run
Does anyone here knows how to change IME option to stay on hiragana when you switch to jp keyboard on windows?That or at least some quick keyboard shortcut to switch from roman letters to hiragana fast because I have to use my fucking mouse and click on the bottom taskbar each time I want to switch between the 2.
>>729383538>10 to 25 new cards,You do 1000 reviews a day?
>>729385695welcome to /v/, the outfits will never let this board alone and make sure it stays warped
>>729386054win + space? Switches between jp and eng or whatever
>>729386073I do 50 new cards a day and only have ~150-200 reviews a day, takes an hour max
>>729386054Alt+Shift to switch language, then Alt+~ to quickly switch between kanas. That's what I do at least.
>>729385729I just said that anki is fine. spaced repetition is a great way to increase your vocabulary. however, it's a huge time investment, and at some point the benefit it offers will be outweighed by that time investment. you should get to the point where you are comfortable enough using a dictionary to help you parse actual text, even if it comes accompanied by furigana. besides, the only way you're going to get a grasp for the language is if you understand how words are used in context, and anki doesn't help with that.
>>729386054ctrl + caps = hiraganaalt + caps = katakanaalt + ` = switch between languages
>>729384494>if you can understand the word when you say it out loud without kanji then you can understand it when it's written on a paper.That is true, but the problem isn't writing down spoken Japanese without Kanji. The problem is words that you usually mainly encounter in text being spoken out loud. Written Japanese uses much more Kango compared to spoken Japanese, and it's the Kango that makes up most of the homophone problems.
>crt +f4>'anki' 19NGMI vector
>>729386125Guess how I know you lie on your answers?
why bother learning japanese when translators have finally figured out how to do their jobs properly?
>>729386404Learn kanji in advance and you won't have to lie or press Again ever again
>>729380392dude babies learn, don't learn duuude noooo!!!1!
>>729386398残念だ
>>729386451>(politely)Japanese has like 20 different ways to say things politely, this translation is still not enough
>>729386727そだねx13
>>729386125Rule of 13. 50 new cards a day means that you will eventually be doing 650 reviews a day.
>>729385729The retarded one is you. Sure you can learn nouns easily through Anki, those have simple 1to1 translations from Japanese to English. But the fact you struggled so hard to remember something as simple as 例えば is telling. You're not immersing enough.Can Anki teach you usage contexts? In JP-->EN dictionaries, 癖に is simply defined as "and yet; though; when; in spite of" ... but if you tried structuring a sentence like "私は食べたい癖に食べない" you'd be called a retard.
>>72938607320 new cards a day, with something like 110-120 reviews a day
>>729368126>>729368270>>729368503https://streamable.com/nqtfkx
>>729386863>pic relatedThis dude could speak french at native level in just 3 hours if he wants to, the headline is just for jewish media shock value.Grammar is a scam, made up rules because academic faggots from every country had to larp as intelectuals and make their language unnecessarily complicated.
>>729386818>eventuallyMy reviews went from 50 to 200 and have stayed there for months, and I suspend any card I easily remembered 4 times because I'm not a retard
>>729384972My problem is that I started with katakana back in 2010 long before I bothered learning hiragana, kanji, and Japanese words, and I got so good at katakana over the years that my brain automatically filters it to the English word. This makes it hard for me to read them like they're meant to be pronounced when speaking Japanese, because my brain autotranslates it. It also makes words like テキトー really frustrating because they're meant to be Japanese words but my brain tries to filter it to English, so it views it as TEXTO, except that's not right, so it tries TEKTO, but nope. If it saw it was 適当, there wouldn't be a problem.
>>729386863>But the fact you struggled so hard to remember something as simple as 例えば is telling. You're not immersing enough.The retarded one is you, I was checking 例えば so many times *because* I kept hearing it over and over while immersing, and then forgetting it by the time I heard it again, meanwhile seeing an Anki card three times over three days means I memorized it 90% of the time >Can Anki teach you usage contexts?It indeed can since there are grammar decks with tons of example sentences, that make immersing way easier (something that I have been doing from the start)
very organic threads today
>>729386767>this translation is still not enoughIt's basically as perfect as can be. You can just keep adding more to the (parentheses) part as the politeness level and type changes.>Good morning (extremely politely and with great humility)
Kanji is fucking cancer. Makes me wonder what would Japan have done if Chinese hieroglyphics didn't exist by that time in the past to fix their cool language
>>729368662https://morg.systems/58465ab9
>>729386125you must have insane memory like top 1%
>>729387447>example sentencesthe problem with that is that you're only seeing one usage, and in one context. don't you know that language is "alive" and words might have many more meanings than that which you'll find in a dictionary? the point is, to truly be a master, you need to get "dirty" with the language, and that means parsing "real" text that is made by japanese natives for japanese natives. the same is true of any language desu.the language has to be part of your life, part of your person. it can't be just a stupid party trick if you really want to know it.
imo the only way to learn japanese as fast as possible is to go and live there and TRY to survive without nothing more but a dictionary. you'll be forced to study everything in order to live.
>>729387693>the problem with that is that you're only seeing one usage, and in one context. don't you know that language is "alive" and words might have many more meanings than that which you'll find in a dictionary?Good thing people who make such decks aren't retards and make multiple cards with various sentences and usages to cover more bases and prepare you for immersion >and that means parsing "real" text that is made by japanese natives for japanese natives. the same is true of any language desu.Which is what I do when immersing
>>729380181>It's literally just も connected to another もthe things one reads on /v/
ive been studying for 2 years and still have trouble with ツシ、the jp font on here is fine but the font that jp niggas use I cant differentiate
>>729387467>You can just keep adding more to the (parentheses) part as the politeness level and type changes.at this point you might as well just try to learn Japanese
>>729387457most of these threads are retards arguing about immersion vs srs console wars style or simple demoralization for people who actually want to learn
>>729369012Americans are the friendliest people on Earth. Everyone is constantly complaining about Americans being too friendly.
>>729387809doesn't matter how many sentences you see, the point is that you can always see more. again, I'm not disparaging anki, I used it for a long time and I don't consider that time to have been wasted, but there's more to learning than memorization, and you have to accept that anki alone is not going to get you to a native-level of comprehension and mastery.
>>729368435step aside pleb. monolingual chads run this place>>729387782I want to do this but I'm a useless neet so I could never get a job there.
>>729387970Are you even reading the posts you're responding to? You retards aren't disagreeing, you're fighting over literally nothing.
>>729387809>Good thing people who make such decks aren't retards and make multiple cards with various sentences and usages to cover more bases and prepare you for immersionYou still need to read more, and listen, which is what no Japanese learner does.
>>729387872usually you can just infer it from the surrounding kanabut I still don't know what they were smoking when they decided to make them so similar
>>729388164Which is what I do when immersing, you really should first master English before attempting other languages
>>729388080>you're fighting over literally nothing>fightingyou must be new here. this has been a civil discussion. why'd you have to make it weird?
>>729387068>the future of JapaneseThis is the future of Japanese though https://www.tiktok.com/@m0tu67/video/7551243684876995853
>>729388243I didn't read your post at all, I just picked a part and greentexted it for no reason so I could reply to it.
jap niggas be like: >ohu disu animu hazu beri maniu braku benisu beri beri genki desu>paresu inusertu da braku benisu in waifu nippon girru!!!!!
>>729386912If you're doing 20 new cards a day and your amount of reviews stays at 110-120 you either:a) have a hard limit of 120 reviews/day setorb) See >>729386404
>>729388353I thought the new PM was a nazi femchud?
everything worth playing is translated anyway
>>729388353I swear the second I start hearing indian loan words or seeing a bunch of indian characters in anime I am abandoning ship.
>>729388471Not playing unless is translated literally and not localized as tranny as possible
>>729387213Ironic.
>>729388456>日本に住む外国人ほとんどの場所で増えている>number of foreigners living in japan reaches record high
>>729387872That's baby stuff, try these on for size:カ vs 力, タ vs 夕, エ vs 工, チ vs 千, ハ vs 八, 土 vs 士, 人 vs 入, 未 vs 末, 胃 vs 冑, 白 vs 臼, 日 vs 曰, 矢 vs 失, 干 vs 千, 王 vs 玉, 木 vs 本, 休 vs 体, 犬 vs 太, 皿 vs 血, 井 vs 丼, 又 vs 叉, 辛 vs 幸, 甲 vs 申, 刀 vs 刃, 匹 vs 四, 六 vs 穴, 侍 vs 待, 帥 vs 師, 爪 vs 瓜, 九 vs 丸, 烏 vs 鳥, 幻 vs 幼
>>729388471I'm learning to understand cunny vtubers thoughbeit. Understanding vidya in the original language is a plus
>>729388557As for this post, seen thing exists
>>729388596>cunny vtubersyou mean adult women with anime avatars?
>>729388585Those are all easy as long as you do RTK
>>729388072i am but a mere worm
>>729388585most of those are fairly easy to distinguish though>侍Are samurai basically eastern templars (寺 + 人) ?
How the fuck do i remember the kanjis. Is it better to learn the radicals or just pure hard memory?
>>729388585Those are pretty easy imo but I can't for the life of me differentiate between 緑線縁It's because I've learned all my kanji by not actually memorizing the components but just eyeing it until I remember them and it's coming to bite me in my ass now
>>729388562>nooo I need to review 日 for 16+ times over 2 years to remember it!!
what if I simply don't need to know all these irrelevant kanji you guys just try to trip people up with eh
>>729388820Kanji Koohii>>729388829Green, line, affinity, just do RTK
>>729368435>there's an extension to look up kanjiive been learning the hard way this whole time
>>729386125I was doing 100 cards per day and had 1100 reviews, but it took me an hour and a half.
>>729388939well, you kinda do need them eventuallybut it all depends on your end goal
>>729388829I'm fine with 線, but 縁 and 緑 still fuck me. I can't think of any other common kanji pairs that can only be differentiated by the radicals in the bottom right.
>>729375104We have it in Bangla. Maybe thats the reason why dad was able to grasp Japanese so quickly back in the 80s...
>>729388820when you're starting out, you can use anki to learn a bunch of vocabulary. while you're doing that, you're also learning kanji because those kanji are used in words, so you will acclimate to them alongside the building of vocabulary.天地 = heaven天使 = angel天井 = ceiling天気 = weatherthey all use 天 so like you learn this kanji by learning words. you start to build associations and basically your comprehension grows to the point that when you see this kanji you learn to associate it with a particular concept i.e. the heavens, or looking upward, the atmosphere.
>>729389060ew a brown person :(
>>729388820I did radicals. You can also try handwriting them.
>>729388820Learn radicals first. Studying kanji before radicals is like trying to learn whole English words before the alphabet.
>>729389038The left part is the 糸 radical, the ⼹ and ⽔ also appear in 録, the ⼹ and 豕 combination isn't as common but there aren't many combinations of 糸 and 豕 so it's easy to clock as a rare exception
>>729388820you can also use this>https://kanjivg.tagaini.netjust plug a kanji into the search bar, it'll show you the stroke order and everything. learning radicals is a good way to start, but as you learn them you'll also learn that there are some basic kanji are used as components in more complex kanji. once you start to see the patterns, it becomes easier to distinguish between lookalikes.
The bad thing about learning Japanese is you'll end up talking like a textbook.https://www.tiktok.com/@migaku_official/video/7520593013031161096You: watashi wa...! japs: this nigga is so ass
>>729388536nepaloids are somehow even worse than indos, and they're flooding the country, or at least where I livebut yeah you're right
>>729389696this cracker looks dysgenicalso another demoralization tactic for content this timeyou can learn 'everyday' Japanese too, you know
>>729389696I'll just fuck you up with my ORE
>>729389696Textbooks are a repository of organized knowledge that optimally teach you nuance, and there is great value in learning from them. But speaking with others needs to be learned by actually speaking with others or listening to real conversations, just like how learning business Japanese is something you have to manually do. Speaking with people isn't going to teach you everything about a language unless you're doing full immersion for years and having conversations regularly.
>>729368662The current meme build, which is similar to this >>729387540 really depends on working if you're a grinding learner. If you're a doing type, this won't work for you and you'll hate the grind. Instead, focus more on just doing things with the language, such as reading and writing, and you'll make gains. If you can do grinding type of learning, just follow a meme guide as they're all similar to each other.
>>729388353They already have curry meals its over
>>729389590I mean seeing this thread. Most kanjis radicals mean nothing to the actual word.
>>729390092luckily, curry is british
>>729390170well its brown and it reminds me of jeets so I'll never eat it
>>729370195>good work to our ace>our friend must have a big nose i guess?
>>729389696But the gag here is about English textbooks in Japan, like New Horizon and New Crown.
>>729368371this is like basic Japaneseif you feel like this is an achievement, you need to read more
>>729390461>our friend must have a big nose i guess?
>>729390702i wonder who broke you
>>729390702learning Japanese is not a competition, you know
>>729370195sneaky ahh nigga
>>729386054you can hit F7 to quickly switch the current word between forms
>>729390101kanji radicals don't have meaning by themselves, but some basic kanji like>日、目、白、刀、心 etc.represent actual words and are also used as components in more complex kanji. also, you'll start to see certain patterns like how>忄radical always appears to the left>阝is always used to the right but has a variation that is used exclusively on the left>氵is a variation of 水>礻has a variation with one minor difference, being the "twig" on the end of the rightmost "branch"etc.
>>729370195It says her nose is high.>t. paid translator
>learning kanji in isolationWill never not be funny how many retards fell for the Heisig meme.
>>729368058In 10 more years smartglasses will have autotranslate and I wont need to learn shit
>>729390226Curry does look a little like shit.
>>729391414Learn all the grade 1 kanji, it's only about 80 and they're easy concepts, and then start learning N5 words. Then learn grade 2 kanji, then learn N4 words. Learn grade 3 and grade 4 kanji, then N3 words, and then grade 5 and grade 6 kanji. You will be reinforcing the words and kanji with each other.
>>729390869the fuck are these kanjis in the second last line aaaaaaaaaaaaa
Be sure to learn the pitch accent for words because if you get it wrong it doesn't sound like "an accent" it sounds like you're speaking broken Japanese comparable to an ESL asking you how many years you have.
>>729387956Weird. Maybe they should stop coming in.
>>729391739普通殴るalso got a funny captcha lol
>>729391446you don't need to learn shit now, also>implying the jews won't automatically "localize" your automated translation>>729391739this is why you learn radicals fool.>普通normal, ordinary>殴るto strike, hit
radicals are pointless mumbo jumbo
>>729391739You should've learned 普通 and 殴る through osmosis by now.
>>729391739普通 (ふつう); Normal普通に (ふつうに); Normally殴ります (なぐります); to strike/hit/beat/punchDictionary form 殴る (なぐる)Today I will allow it, but from tomorrow onward, I will usually hit you.
>>729391889>>implying the jews won't automatically "localize" your automated translationWhen I watch auto-translate on youtube I frequently get gibberish like "queef in my breakfast" so if anything I'll probably get a dirtier version than what's written
>>729391961The chad memorizer vs the "radical"cel
お母さんが入院なさったという風に人から伺いましたが、いかがですか。remember to keigomaxx
>>729374327Too many homophones, they dug their own grave with that
if they were properly voice acted fully you wouldn't need to learn kanji
>>729392124>風に人から伺いましたdo people really talk like this?
>>729375438>but also speaking in person you can ask if you don't understand what they meanLOLobviously dont know japanese
>>729391882>>729391889>>729391969They honestly haven't turned up in any of the texts I've read yet.>>729392064Thanks bros
>>729374327Thank god the Japanese are waking up to the brownoid threat. Keep it gatekept.
>>729375104Uh oh, autist melty.
>>729392345no they dont, dont take the opinions of people that have never lived in japanmodern japanese speakers don't use bunch of words you read in media like anime
>>729391739普通 is a top 500 common word nigga
>>729392573I should say it hasn't come up in the kanji form
>>729392210nah, I'd rather have kanji than don't have them.Especially for some weird sentences likeだが 切っ先に殺気がまるでなかった
>>729392356both were in my anki deck *shrug*
>>729392697>だが 切っ先に殺気がまるでなかったjapanese people dont talk like that
>>729392573yeah, it is fairly common after all
>>729392807autistic samurai girls in fiction do
>>729391821Half of the time when I hear 2 Japanese people arguing about/correcting the pitch accent, there's literally no fucking difference in the way they pronounce both words.Also>the ability to discern pitch accent is significantly affected by context, particularly whether the word is spoken in isolation or within a sentenceLiterally "You think you do, but you don't".
>>729392356Watch this and let "futsuu" be forever burned into your mindhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOwrfY7a3MA
>>729392747anki just doesn't stick for me, rote learning has just never worked
>>729392951sadly irl jap girls are npc tier personalities ctrl c ctrl w only words they know are kawaii and yabai till they become obaachan
>>729393027I gave up on pitch accent when I tried to understand the difference between nose and flower
>>729391821personally I prefer to keep my gaijin cardthat way I get a pass for whenever I can't read the kuuki
>>729393136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N0YLRunmEQthen consume babymode content until it sticks. >サメに気を付けろ>watch out for sharks!気をつけて is like a whole phrase that means "watch out" or "be careful"this is how you get things to "stick" by being exposed to them a million times. that's why DAIJOUBU is suck a fucking meme, even my mother has probably heard it at some point.
>spend years learning kanjis>go to japan>realise its only good for visiting and not good for living due to Japanese people being retarded>come home what a waste of time
>>729393313that's only the vain thots in the cities. The same way you could label all american women as valley girl bimbos
It finally makes sense to me why Japs are all insane suicidal autists, because simply speaking their language requires a significant portion of their lives to learn and most of their memory to store the three (3!) writing systems and everything else just write a fucking grocery list.How did this happen? Why can't they just create an alphabet like other sane cultures?
>>729391821Doesn't matter because every region has their own pitch accents. The only thing to remember is that words either drop/raise in pitch after the second mora, or stay completely flat. You'll still have a weird accent but at least you won't be way off, people still understand you
>>729393332a lot of japanese people get confused on it toono im not joking
>>729393442you can't read the cookie? stupid foreigner
>>729389010I use this but always resort to just visiting wiktionary because they don't tell you the pitch accent
>>729393574Sorry, on the second mora, not after
>>729393574>Doesn't matter because every region has their own pitch accentsonly kansaiben has a proper different way of pitch accent
>>729393460I'm just doing graded readers and whatever manga I can find with furigana attached. I find it sticks better doing this. I have a Japanese gf and she writes to me in Japanese also sometimes, so whatever common words she uses in texts I can read reflexively also
>>729393556Explain the Chinese, they commonly use 3x the kanji and don't have simple auxiliary systems like kana to help them
>>729391414In the time it took you to bruteforce memorize thousands of complex characters you could've not been a retard and learned them quickly and efficiently, and along the way learned how to write them so you're not a half literate retard
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>>729394163I bet faggot vs japan hasn't memorized all of these has he now
>Make up an "alphabet">It doesn't sound anything out, you have to use a different alphabet for that>Write it completely differently to "spell" foreign words>Still doesn't pronounce the word correctly>Steal the Chinese writing system because using your own alphabet makes text outrageously long>Pronounce every single Chinese character wrong>Replace your entire "alphabet" with it
>>729391734The best benefit of RTK is the kanji groups and the simple-to-complex order Why learn 映画館 before learning 映, why learn 映 before learning 央 etc
>>729393556it's funny because Koreans complete threw out Chinese because it fucking sucked, and then made their own writing systemmeanwhile the Japanese just keep tacking on new stuff in an attempt to salvage things
>>729394023the chinese famously learn latin script first as children, pinyin
its pointless learning any form of japanese unless you're in japan and hearing it daily. you wouldn't believe how quickly when you actually have to hear and speak it regularly. i wouldn't bother whatsoever using anki flashcards or whatever gay shit you're doing sat in your American suburbs. completely pointless.
>>729368058The only games written in katakana are some very early NES games.And reading games entirely in katakana is nearly impossible.
>>729394325alphabet means a phonetic script retard with letters for consonants and/or vowels
>>729394378I don't know a lick of korean, so tell me, is it really any better? just glancing at korean text gives me a fucking headache. kanji are better.
>>729368058pokemon games and games for children in general
>>729394389lol dumbass there's tons of examples of people living in foreign countries for decades and never picking up the language
>>729393556actually a harder language is better, if you make your language too easy like english, brownoids can learn it and move in
>>729394464well if you don't know Korean then obviously it will look like scribbles, but it only has 24 letters that they then compound together.
>>729394389That's quitter mentality, I've made tons of progress just doing gay shit in my American suburbs. I agree about Anki though, massive waste of time.
>>729394163With the internet and TV how are they not all becoming the same?
>>729394378Yes exactly! The Koreans did the right thing, and look at them now. Their culture is being voluntarily exported and accepted because their language is easy to learn (at least in the written form), like English, Spanish, and French. The Japanese could easily convert everything into a katakana-based alphabet system but they won't for some stupid reason.>oh but gaijin-san, the beautifur kanji evokes meaning subject to interpretation and-That's great Taro, the "Japanese century" came and went because nobody can fuckin understand your language. Now you're forced to watch as the Koreans become the thing you were meant to be.
>>729395038is this some kind of petty asian rivalry or something? koreaboos are 100x more insufferable than weebs ever were, let me just say that.
>>729395038korea is for women so naturally they have to make the language easier to learn
>>729395038but the only thing Koreans export are kpop idols
>>729394879>With the internet and TV how are they not all becoming the same?Regional accents and dialects have been slowly fading away for decades now. They're becoming the same, but it's a much slower progression than other countries.
>>729393556Katakana and japanese are way to freaking easy. Kanji is the only problem here. Always has been the problem.
>>729394389another attempt at demoralization, just because you gave up on it doesn't mean everyone else should, fucking braindead faggotin the end it depends on what you want to use it for
>You cannot buy this product from the country/region you live inI hate payment processors so much it's unreal
>>729394435>alphabet means a phonetic script retard with letters for consonants and/or vowelsCongrats dumbass, you just explained what I was complaining about
>>729393480>learn japanese>use it to listen to anime in the background and read niche untranslated manga/vnsit was a great use of my time
>>729394365Where do i use this? When i search RTK it's only a website with info.
>>729389696>dont use particles because I don't know which one to use>it makes me sound like I know japanese better
>>729395315There's some pride in speaking a dialect and you people tend to pick it up from grandparents, at least in my experience. I lived on Shikoku for 6 years so I'm familiar with Tosa and Iyo ben(and by extension Kyushu ben) and you hear it all over the place there.
>>729395038Look at what now? No one learns Korean either. It has significantly less speakers than Japanese.
>>729396106https://kanji.koohii.com/This has the ordering and user submitted mnemonics for how to remember the shapes, you can use the user-submitted ones or invent your own
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>>729374904>tteiuka is a bit like say "like" in english... for example: "like for real!!" , that type of slang. Or "kinda like"Yeah, it's the equivalent of valley girl shit and I fucking hate it.
>>729396762わかる~うける~
>>729396160>I lived on Shikoku for 6 years so I'm familiar with Tosa and Iyo ben(and by extension Kyushu ben) and you hear it all over the place there.Yeah, I'm familiar with several people who speak Tsugaru-ben because I spent a lot of time in Aomori (regional pride and tradition is a big part of why you still hear people speaking it), but one of the reasons for accents and dialects slowly fading is because of job prospects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXDY6YyL4msIf you're planning to move to Tokyo for work like most young people from the boonies, you're not going to be all that successful speaking in a heavy Okinawan at a job interview. Most people just learn standard Kanto and stop using their regional speech once they move away.It's pretty sad when I see it still.
>>729394106Cope.
>>729395038Nobody cares about "korean culture" except women and porn addicts, retard.
>>729369013fucking insane. small wonder living Spartan is such a big deal in eastern cultures. it takes Sisyphean determination to become a scholar.
>>729397417How do you suggest someone memorize 2000-3000 symbols
What new games or anime are they even creating worth playing? How is it worth learning?
>>729397819The same way you memorized thousands of words.Or do you read every letter separately?
>>729397578>porn addictsWhy would any self-respecting porn addict care about the output of a country where porn is fucking banned? Women are the only audience for korean "culture", because they're the only ones stupid enough to fall for the marketing.
>>729398027>>The same way you memorized thousands of words.But kanji aren't words, they're characters, and you memorize every letter in school individually both in the west and in Japan
>>729394365>>729391734I learned about 300 characters from RTK before realizing that "I fell for a meme", then I started learning Japanese words. I made some headway, but constantly ran into new and complex Kanji characters, it felt weird and unfamiliar learning them, but the practice I had from learning 300 characters from Heisig's book was literally invaluable if I could recognis the radicals (I could see a character and discern that it's built out of such and such components), as well as being able to get the writing stroke order right 90% of the time. Now after a couple weeks of studying grammar, Kaishi 1.5k and regular grammar/mass reading I'm thinking about running back to RTK, I'm now realizing the benefit of it; Heisig sorted the characters into groups of similar components, and arrayed it all from simple stuff into big stuff. The only big drawback is that Heisig made the conscious decision of assigning simple meanings and keywords to characters, so while I was able to visually master these characters in writing and deciphering how they look, RTK communicated very little information on the actual meanings of them (but I found a lot of the simple keywords given by Heisig are right a lot of the time, especially for simple Kanji like Tree/Fire/Great/Can etc), Heisig also doesn't give readings, so I often had to run to Jisho to find readings, and over there I'd find a lot of different readings, without being really able to tell how these work in verbs or which ones are in common use and which are ancient leftovers. So, what's the actual fucking middle ground for Kanji? Should I study RTK and Cure Dolly/immersion in tandem or some shit? There doesn't seem to be an actually effective resource in teaching Kanji writing + reading + use in words/sentences.
>>729394464Korean language has one of the simplest and most well thought writing systems in the planet. It's a language that was actually designed and engineered instead of evolved over time like most other languages.
>>729395038>Their culture is being voluntarily exported and accepted because their language is easy to learnWhat an absolutely retarded take, like Japanese culture isn't a massive export market of its own with anime and Manga. Koreans got westernized to a higher degree than the Japs because they wanted to.
>>729368126Thousand times folded.
>>729368058You also need time to actually sit down and playt. sweatshop-tier wageslave
>>729398410>There doesn't seem to be an actually effective resource in teaching Kanji writing + reading + use in words/sentences.What I did was>finish RTK in two months >at the same time do a grammar deck in Anki with audio, romaji writing, and word translations>picked up thousands of words and the basic grammar by sound by the time I finished RTK>started an Anki vocab deck while starting to immerse with listening on the side (anime and podcasts without subtitles) >when I got through 1/3 of the vocab deck started reading for immersion Basically grinding the thing you have to grind and doing the passive thing on the side with the n+1 approach, then when you finish grinding the thing move on to the next thing you can now grind while upgrading what you're passively doing for immersion on the side It's a great feel seeing a new card in kanji in Anki for the first time and being able to guess how it's read and what it means because you already know the kanji meaning and the Japanese word for it, like 喫茶店 being consume + tea + shop and already knowing what a kissaten is
>>729395663no retard, chinese isn't an alphabet
>>729399180>finish RTK in two monthsHow many characters were you doing a day? 20?
>>729390702Who hurt you
>>729399293I averaged ~40 but in reality I sometimes did 100 a day and sometimes 10 depending on how busy I was
>>729396247>https://kanji.koohii.com/>sign in >registerno thanks
>>729399472It's because you're meant to come up and store your own mnemonics for remembering the kanji, and it also has a spaced repetition system so you can review them, that's not something you should keep in a cookie, plus being able to log in on any device to do your reviews is convenient as fuck and requires no setup, just use a throwaway email and some easily remembered username and password
>>729398410>So, what's the actual fucking middle ground for Kanji?basic pattern recognition
>>729381023>2025, almost 2026>マルハラStop it!
>>729398410https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY8SmhCynXI
>see 注射 in my Anki deck>think when the fuck am I ever going to need it >started watching Shirokuma Cafe every day the other day>that very day Panda uses 注射 in the episode I was watching
>>729399283didn't say it was dumbass
>>729400070>"I've never used Anki">open video>"I've been studying Japanese for the past 17 years"
>>729398136> do you read every letter separately?
>>729400569No, because I memorized them in first grade and don't have to stop and think what I'm looking at every time I read, which is what Japanese people do as well except they memorize them for 12+ years in school because they use 100x the characters If you want to do that but in less than 12 years, you're going to have to be efficient
>>729399829>マルハラDear god。
>>729399829is it worse than sekuhara?
>>729368270THISSSSSSSSS>when you realise japanese anime is filled with loan words simply soudning japanese from their accentDio fro Jojos bizzaro adventure main catchfrase is:ZA WARUDOIn reality its japanese man saying "THE WORLD" with a thick heavy japanese accent
Imagine people around the world learning your language or wishing to visit your home country just because you made some funny moving pictures and video games
>>729400929https://youtu.be/qc9kWn-Cu50
>>729401463wow, yeah, how terrible
>>729401463ok and?anime is a propagandasame with jewwood movies
>>729401507>多分インタビューしてる中で「別に気にしませんけどね」って答えた子も沢山いたと思う気になる人だけ映してるんじゃないかなぁ
>>729384818Japs know a pretty large # of individual English words and some phrases but very few of them can actually understand English, let alone speak it
>>729399180where you did RTK?
>>729368058Nah, every game I see has other weird letters mixed in.
>>729402778Kanji Koohii
>>729400408>see 注射 in my Anki deck>think when the fuck am I ever going to need itI see it all the time in porn
>>729369283i use the inbuilt RetroArch AI translation, but its not fun pausing every 5 seconds to read.
