Obviously, it's ruining AAAslop, but that's no surprise.Will indie gaming survive, though? Or will indie devs also fall for the siren call of the slop?
>>729370872>Prompt AI to make repetitive code for you>Get 6 hour job done in 5 minutes Why is this bad again?
It will take longer but eventually everything will use AI in some way. AI is not going away anymore.
Stop worrying about things you don't understand
>>729370872>it's all or nothingthe discourse around this is retarded
>>729371114>>729371117This, retards only think visible shit.
Probably not, most people don't pay for indietrash anyway, unless it's astroturfed stuff like those titles.
>>729370872You retards genuinely don't undersand AI at all, you've been misguided into thinking all AI is slop only because AI have become so accessable to everybody and the majority of people in the world using it have 0 artistic talent, so everything they amke wth AI looks like slop.It's like saying drawings made with coloured pencils are slop if you've only ever seen deviant art content
>>729371114>>729371197>>729371219>>729371431>Developers being able to rely on prompts for coding and asset generation will not result in devs lowering in quality as they get trained on less shit because... because it just won't, ok?We all saw how this played out when CGI started dominating movies. Now it's a struggle to find a movie that is lit well because everything just uses CGI correction. You're myopic retards.
Ai can give you all the material you needbut it will stil take you a lot man hours and even more talent to make something good
>>729371553stop hiring retards and this wouldn't be a problem
>>729372189the ratio of retards to smart people gets overwhelmingly skewed in one direction once technologies that make people more retarded start becoming popular
>>729372279No, there are good people. It's just that people get away with nepotism because the tools are so good that nobody needs to understand them properly.
>>729372189Why would they hire non-retards when AI exists to make their lives easy? Retard.The only question here is: Will there still be new indie devs that learn how to make games without relying on AIslop? Or is the whole industry gonna eat shit? Because it's one or the other.
>>729370872What's there to ruin lol
>>729371431Everything made with AI looks like slop because you have no precise control of the output. It doesn't matter how talented as an artist you are if all you can do is type in some words and hope AI will shit out something close to what you imagined. Actual TOOL should be an extension of human ability not a replacement of it.
>>729370872Name one game ruined by ai
>>729372617>because you have no precise control of the output.I can tell you do not keep up to date with AI development, that's a non-issue now.Stop hating things you don't understand.
>>729372715Oh, brother. Fucking jeet shills.
>>729370872They will because there are too many talentless hacks in the indie side.
>>729372426>there are good people.Less and less every day and the trend is not reversing anytime soon. They also don't seem to be able to actually gain a foothold into the industry, there are tons of artists that I follow on xitter that would make, for example, for excellent creature designers for games but they just aren't hired, and then you look at the work of those that are actually employed and it's the most mediocre stuff ever. The misallocation of resources happening today is of gigantic proportions, it's not a coincidence that the west doesn't seem to be able to make god-tier art like it used to anymore.
>>729372456I will sell you slop. I'm not sharing my passion projects.
>>729372774It's okay to say you don't know, you don't NEED to have an opinion on everything before you understand it.
>>729372617You have no precise control in the output of any tool, just approximations. It's why you should never use just one tool as that's extremely limiting The only reason people do that is to brag about how they "overcame" said limitation to some extent
>>729372846proompslop isn't art and I don't want to pay for it
>>729372715>>729372839Can you provide examples of software which gives you non text based way to interface with AI output?
>>729372895Good, you shouldn't Doesn't mean it can't lead to a good product as part of the process
>>729372912The jeet shill is gonna give examples of shit where you take photos of something and then animate it or whatever. As if that kind of slop is ok.
>>729372912Photoshop let's you extend the borders of photos iirc
>>729372912What do you mean by this?
>>729372782There aren't less good people. The good ones are being driven out of entertainment industries because the only people anyone wants are narcissistic sociopaths. Which is reflected in the media that is being produced.Society doesn't reward skilled people. It punishes them.
>>729372895Games are toys. Not art.
>>729370872you dont even need AI to replicate garbage generic posting of this board, a simple 3-5 variable script will do
>>729371114Frog getting boiled
>>729373109ai is already smarter than most people and can wage a more fulfilling conversation especially in the age of the brain dead content consumersglory to ai, let bio waste die off
>>729373156>sword users seething about getting outgunnedftfy
>>729373313Would be great if you faggots could keep to your much superior guns while I only paid for shit that isn't absolute slop. But I don't know if that's gonna happen. That's the question of the thread.
>>729371114I saw a bad image once that had 6 fingers and weird vibe to it. Therefore all technology should stop advancing.
>>729373476Why's that? You going blind and can' tell the difference anymore? Perhaps you should hire a slop expert to help you out with that.
>>729372986Well for example in Photoshop if you're making a collage you can have 100 layers with separate objects you can stretch, move around, blend etc. With AI if you want to move something in generated image your options is basically just promt AI to do and hope result matches your vision. You can't just select object and move it in real time because transformers aren't fast enough for that.
we'll get used pretty fast to AI in everything
>>729373621>You can't even tell it apart, broYeah, and at some point CGI was good enough that, when used really well, could substitute things and it'd be fine.And what's the result now? Lighting sucks in everything.This isn't the gotcha you think it is. That's just how you get the frog boiled. By the time that you CAN tell the difference, it will be too late.
>>729373636If you're not drawing with a pencil you're not making real art.
Yes? Indie shit already became a joke from all the vampire survivors shit, card game roguelikes and uwu wholesome comfy relaxing crap with zero gameplay. Making it even easier for indie shitters to crap out garbage with zero effort will make it even harder to find games genuinely worth taking a closer look and will discourage more people from trying to make their own game, because why bother putting in effort and passion when someone can make a shitty survivors clone in a day or a meme asset flip "game" for streamers and earn 10 million dollars in a week.
>>729373750It's just what happens in late stage socialism.
>>729373636If you can train a Lora of your subject you can get very high accuracy of the character's appearance and regional prompting can be used to mark the area of the canvas you want the subject to be located in and controlnet open pose to fix their pose in the same position ever generationIf you want to maintain an art style, loras are also used as well as IPadapter, if you want to modify already existing generated iamge you can copy past it into photoshop, move it around and put it back into the AI with low denoising to blend it back into the image
>>729373660Uh huh, just like how people never point out shitty CGI and praise traditional animation, stop-motion or practical effects with puppetry and animatronics.
people really DO hate videogames here huh
>>729373750Lighting isn't an issue with CGI specifically, but with the director and artists implimenting
>>729373750that’s the problem, they will use generative Ai to lower the quality of everything and make you eat it, it has happened before and it will happen now too.
>>729374242Is is what anti-ai fags should be getting mad about, ai being used haphazardly, not ai entirely. Force game devs to actually QA their ai made art and have an artist go over them fixing any issues.
>>729374309the problem is the 0-regulation environment with live in, imagine if you can buy a knife with no law or regulation about stabbing people, we will be all be calling to ban knifes because they are too dangerous, until we set the bar of what is allow or not the shitshow will continue.
>>729374148yeseven before tr@.nnis ruined them
>>729374309IT IS WHAT WE'RE MAD ABOUT, RETARDGoing "durr muh 6 fingers" is besides the point.The obvious sloppification that is gonna arise out of AI long term is the reason why this shit should be seen as the cancer it is. The cons way outweigh the benefit.Face it, people aren't anti-AI enough.
Seeing how everything has been going to shit I don't think people can argue that AI can ruin everything at this point.
>>729374309>Force game devs to actually QA their ai made art and have an artist go over them fixing any issues.This assumes that the issue with AI art is glaring surface level imperfections and not what the process (or lack thereof) itself is conducive to. The skill of art for all of its history has been a long and arduous process of research, study, and practice and the process itself confers more than the mere ability to move a pencil such that it creates an aesthetically pleasing image.It requires an artful mind to create something artful with AI or otherwise, but the use of AI is not conducive to artful minds, at least not of the kind humanity has produced throughout its entire history. That's the real issue.
>>729374802People are far too anti ai, instead of being anti ai they need to be anti bad productIt's the same like unreal engine or unity or rpg maker hate. It's a tool and if it's easy to use a lot of people will abuse it, but that doesn't mean it's not a useful tool to make good things
>>729375539ACCERATE if this is the end let it come sooner.
>>729375697>instead of being anti ai they need to be anti bad productAIslop will automatically lead to bad products unless there's devs that inoculate themselves from that shit.
>>729375579based and redpilledThese people just cannot understand the actual problem
