I specificaly mean games like:-The Witness-Cultist Simulator-Lobotomy Corporation-Void strangerGames where the gameplay loop is about learning the game's rules and systems, where those rules and systems are intentionally obfuscated and figuring them out is how you progress in game.Any and all answers would be greatly apreciatedAlso, merry Christmas
>>729371648>rules and systems are intentionally obfuscatedThis sounds stupid. If I was a dev I'd want people to learn to play the game.
>>729371765Not OP but you probably misunderstood.It's not about hiding how to play the game.In Witness for example you encounter a series of increasingly difficult puzzles where figuring out the added rules and elements of a new puzzle is part of it.
>>729371648Maybe sort of galaxy princess zorana in how you can't really track the general publics perception of you, although I haven't played 1.0 maybe they added a wayIt's a weak example either way thoughAncestors: a humankind oddessy, but not in a good way
>>729371648Blue prince is probably the best example of this but superliminal and portal are good ones too
>>729371648Outer Wilds. A first playthrough can take over 20 hours, but you can beat the game in under 20 minutes if you know what to do.
>>729371765You sound stupid.Learning systems and rules without hand-holding is fun.
>>729371648Outer WildsTunicToki Tori 2 (2013) seems like the first to base a game around this idea.Though knowledge gates have existed for at least as long as Zelda (1986).
>>729372620I don't think a large part of this is the knowledge of game systems. Only parts I can think about is the quantum moon the rest feels more like knowing the password to a door
>>729371765Depends on what game you have envisioned.Having a game thats about experimenting and figuring shit out can also be fun.Its the kind of game when you aren't afraid of failure, of fucking up and dealing with the consequences, then trying again later hoping for better results.
>>729371648Where is my cultist simulator 2 but I actually have sex with the girls and not get cucked
>>729373676Unfortunately Alexis Kennedy decided to make a gay book sorting simulator instead. And his next game is going to be a Disco Elysium-like.
>>729373727He's a better writer than a game designer so I'm fine with that
I'll be honest with you guys, i don't care about ascension, most of my playthroughs basically boils down to:>Get fit>Get good at my job>Get a girlfriend >Stave off existential dread and madnessThats it.At worst, i might be investigated by some schizo detective for visiting a cabaret, sell a weird painting, or try to talk with the detective to convince him I'm not insane.Then when all else fail, i just hire someone to destroy the fake evidence.I pretty much just start fucking around with my dreams when I'm feeling bored and feel like i have to much money and not so much dread.
>>729371648Rain World though it's mostly learning the movement mechanics rather than the game rules
>>729373892Reading this as someone who has no fuckin idea what the game is like makes it feel like you're a giga schizo
>>729371648Tunic is sort of like that, but in practice your knowledge is gated by finding and interpreting the (in-game) instruction manual rather than experimenting.
>is kino in your path
>>729373892So you just stare at the table and grind for money?
>>729371648Loop Hero has some of that with the lands you place down, but it is MORE of a rogue-like than it is what you are looking for.
>>729371648Is Cultist Simulator actually good?
>>729374078Do you like reading and grind with barely any gameplay?
>>729374078It's... Interesting? I'd say the MOST interesting part is figuring out how the fuck it even works in the first place, once it's figured out it's kinda boring and samey, but that first experience is quite neat. The whole game is weirdly obsessed with pointless busywork though.
>>729374078Only Exile legacy and the mods
>>729373992>it feel like you're a giga schizoAnon, that IS the game.You ARE a giga schizo.>>729374024Pretty much, at least until i accidentally do something that i shouldn't, or get bombarded with fascination or dread cards and accidentally draw like 3 of a kind at the same time
GrunnThis game is a hidden gem
>>729374863Kino gameSokpop has some other great shit >>729371648Just remembered leap year fits this perfectly
>>729371648is taiji any good
>>729374173I'm OP,could you tell me which mods are interesting? i only played the vanilla unmodded cultist simulator and would apreciate knowing which ones are worthwhile
>>729376681Yes, it's a lot of fun.
>>729374169Yea, thats why cultist simu;lator was fascinating on 1st playthrough but a complete slong on repeated playthroughs. I still didnt reach any of the game's true endings because a failure requires me to do 2 runs instead of 1 which takes multiple hours
>>729376930oh, this looks like the witness but in rpg maker, cool as hell
>>729371648I played this and got the ending where I got promoted and grew old in an office job. Also became a good painter one time which was somehow enough to get a detective to arrest me. I could never figure out how to dream of the mansaus and actual progress in the game. I wanted to figure it out myself so I never used a guide. Then I got bored and stopped playing.Great music.
>>729374007>>729373210Oh i didnt know tunic is like that, every time i looked at it it just looked like a generic zelda clone. Now i kinda regret passing it by for so long
>>729376802Everything by Sneakworks, but mostly his Exile mods; Betrayer's Map, Apostle Obturant, Proterant and Contemnant. Season of Acquaintances also expands the game and the companion mechanics significantly and Season of Suspicions makes Hunters more of a threat.
Reminder to never, ever date Rose or Sylvia in cultist simulator.You are literally gonna get cucked.Rose likes to fuck her brother even if you guys get married, and Sylvia is a whore who will cheat on you at a moments notice.Probably Clovette too, but never putright stated.Everyone else will be schizophrenic in various degress, but otherwise are loyal wives.Enid's the best.
>>729374078I enjoyed it for a while but hit a weird point where I was starting to learn the game well enough to keep getting farther on successive runs, but got real fuckin tires of doing all the set up work again. There were no real “shortcuts” or ways to keep some of your progress, you just had to do it again and again to get back to a proper setup. Maybe I’m just particularly impatient but I got tired of it. Cool writing and style though.
>>729379468It might have been good if once you master some aspect of the game you could automate it. Such as eating. I cant remember if I actually needed to eat but just an example.
>>729379846I dont mind the manual management of every aspect of your character, but i wish after finishing some ending the game would let me start at a higher base level, skipping the first half hour/hour of setup with recruiting cultists and earning basic lores
>>729379242last time i played cultist simulator marying one of the cultists changed nothing with your relationship with them, are those real things that show up in game now or are they part of the Season of Aquaintances mod?
>>729371648Lobotomy Corporation isn't about learning the game's rules and systems in the same way that Cultist Simulator and Void Stranger are.Lob Corp is just learning how an Abnormality works but the core mechanics stay the same.I doubt you would, for example, include RE4 in the OP even though Regenerators and the blind dudes both require you to learn the specific ruls/systems for the individual enemy.Minit is a shorter game and it's not so much about learning rules as it is about learning interactions, but I feel like it might be close to what you are looking for.I have heard that EYE is like that too.
>>729379242>Knock AspectUseful but I found their personalities lacking. Also Enid comes across like a Suicide waiting to happen. I typically prefer Lantern and Heart. Cat Cano and Dorothy. If I do Grail I go with Renira but that chick is clearly dangerous.
>>729380942yea youre right about lob corp, I was just thinking about it in same group as other 3 games because thrives on your lack of knowledge , but thats closer to dark souls than the other games on that list
>>729371648wouldn't really call The Witness a game where systems were obfuscated, it's just a pretty IQ test, Baba is you is a much better puzzle game where you really have to think outside the box, this one was also interesting
