Why are Dwarves and Elves always enemies in fantasy games? Who came up with this shit?
>>729373865>>Dwarves>Bro tier>Give you a beer when they invite you to their home>fun at parties>>Elves>don't invite you to their home>Incels>Not fun at partiesIt's clear which one is superior.
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>>729373865Dwarves are peak Reddit, Elves are built only for white human males
>>729373865I wouldn't say enemies. More like rivals. Both races specialize in crafting with a particular type of material: mithril, adamantine. And they live their ways in very different ways. Elves stick to the forests and live with nature, while dwarves live in their mountain homes and mine the hell out of everything.
>>729373865tolkien you retarded zoomer
>>729375727You'll never fit in tourist-kun.
>>729375950>he doesnt know about forest dwarves>he doesnt know about mountain elves
>>729373865Can't wait to slaughter leaf lovers in DRG.
>>729373865Dwarves are just another species of male goblin, trolls, etc, it makes sense that they are kill on sight for any human-like beings such as elves.
>>729373865elves live longer so dwarves have to catalogue their grudges towards elves.
For me, it's dwarven women
>>729376746Based.
>>729373865elves betray dwarves commonly across the medium
>>729373865Who came up with this shit?Mostly Tolkien
>>729373865Read a book, Alphie.In Tolkien's seminal (that means it planted the seeds that the genre grew on) fantasy classic 'The Hobbit', the central figures of the Dwarfish inhabitants of the Lonely Mountain feel abandoned by the Elfen King Thranduil from nearby Mirkwood who left them to their destruction at the hands of Smaug who had come to the Mountain to take it and its treasures.Thranduil did this because he felt wronged by the Dwarfs from how they treated his people in the past, and the Dwarfs of the past probably mistreated the Elfs of the past because they felt wronged and so on and so forth. It's just a cycle of grudges that carries the simple to decipher message of generational hate being destructive and stupid.And since literally everything that features Elfs and Dwarfs or is even remotely fantasy that's been made in the last century is inspired by Toklien this trope has survived.
>>729373865If you knew how bad elves really are you'd understand why dwarves hate them.
>>729373865I cant think of a single game where they actually are enemies that isnt some 4x where everyone is.They just like insulting each other and are usually artisan rivals
>>729380147pretty common in many, but not all warhammer games
>>729376746>No beard
>>729380425The beard is lower on a female, anon.
>>729375727>Elves are built only for white human malesMost of us don't want to fuck effeminate long-eared men
>>729380425That's only a Tolkien and Prattach thing
>>729376746>>729376919what is that? please let it be a porn game
>>729381096Divinity: Dragon Commander. It's an RTS/political sim where you play a shapeshifting dragon and have to end a succession crisis by winning a civil war. Near the start of the game, you'll be prompted to marry one of several princesses - the girl in question is the dwarf princess.
>>729376746What's the point when there's no porn
>>729381096based af undead btw.
>>729382250>>729382936thanks
>that one dwarf who keeps bringing his elf girlfriend to the tavern in the 99.9% dwarf ethno-fortress
>>729385468>dwarf going after a d*rk elfI should have knowndamn undergroundlets
>>729385468>>729385919i dont blame the little nigga, drow girls are all baddies
>>729385468>>729385919>>729386062he's clearly being taken advantage of
I need haggy elves
>>729386234
>>729385468>most racist and ruthless guy>drinks a Leaf Lovers Special with her because he knows everything else makes his girl go KOThis is the only excuse to drink a Leaf Lover
>>729373865Elves makes enemies with everyone, dwarves are just allowed to call them out on their bullshit unlike humans.
elves are the best.
fuck elves
>>729380147Warhammer Fantasy. Granted, with high elves they are willing to work together. They'll grumble, and you shouldn't let them camp closely. But they still understand Chaos/undead/greenskins/Skaven/Dark elves are the greater evil.
>>729376746based, dark irons in particular
>>729387928that's an insulting armpit hair anatomy
>>729373865True, real kino is Dwarven men breeding Elven women.
>>729387928Sauce?
Are there any dwarf fucker elves in tolkien?
>>729373865One is general environment focused and the other is industrious. Simple as that really lad. If there was a more naturalist focused dorf that still liked boozin' they'd probably be pretty tolerated by elves.
Elf hate is an anti-white propaganda meme. The fact that elves are a European creation and in myths are often ancestral spirits makes them a primary target for destruction by kikes and their shabbos goy puppets.If you change the elf in every anti-elf post with white you basically get kike/black/arab twitter.>You can't rape an elf.You can't rape a white women.>All elven men are effeminate.All white men are effeminate.>Elves should be enslaved.Whites should be enslaved.Etc.
>>729392096And the reasons for anti-elf hate are also exactly the same as the reasons for anti-white hate.>Elves are better at magic, live longer, are prettier, are better at warfare, are arrogant and push their own ideas on the other races. They are also tree huggers obsessed with preserving nature.White people are better at science, live longer, are prettier, are better at warfare, are arrogant and push their own ideas on the other races. They are also tree huggers obsessed with preserving nature.It's even more obvious when you consider that their opposite is always orcs, the blatantly obvious black people stand-in. The average idiot tends to reply to this with "but blacks can't build societies like orcs ha ha", which not only misses the fucking point, but also forgets that even if we assume that black people have never once built something resembling a society, they sure would be able to do it in fantasy fiction. The whole thing is just a stupid attempt to derail everything whenever someone points out how stupid the bitching about elves is.As for why elves are always portrayed as bad people in fiction these days? Gee, I wonder who could be behind that.none of the more positive traits, they're only able to see elvish characters in a negative light. This coupled with modern media generally pushing elves to be worse and worse characters, with even Japan pushing the elf-orc rape memes like it's a matter of fact thing, among other similar themes in Japanese-origin western fantasy settings, does really seem to explain the phenomena better than that 'it's just inherent to hate elves'.The whole "elves are all tree-huggers who crave the Big Orc Cock" meme genuinely pisses me off, and not because of the obvious racial connotations. It's directly tied to the incredibly superficial treatment elves and fantasy worlds in general get.
>>729392163You can't have elves like Tolkien's anymore. They just get derided as "too perfect", because neither later writers nor most of their audience are willing or capable of looking deeper and seeing that the things they claim make them "Mary Sues" are actually what makes them interesting and compelling. The melancholy of immortality, and the resignation that comes from watching the slow and inevitable decay of the world, give way to elves being stuck-up, pretentious, and apathetic.So you get cookie-cutter elves that just take the most superficial traits of the most accessible of Tolkien's works and call it a day, and from there you end up with memes like this.There's a reason almost every fantasy series I follow is a comedy, where the lack of nuance isn't as big a problem.
>>729392221What would you describe a generic fantasy orc as being like? Probably green, big and hulking, right? No, that's D&D and Warcraft - Tolkien's orcs were bow-legged, long-armed, smaller than a human, crafty, squat, sallow, slant-eyed, and fond of human meat.Elves are all lithe archers that live in forests, right? Half of Tolkien's elves preferred caves and stone fortresses, or comfy houses. Really, the stereotype conflates Lothlorien specifically with all of elvendom. On top of that, they were the closest thing to divine beings that one could find, with the exception of the few Maiar that wandered Middle-Earth. Tell me, where the elves that constantly sing and dance under moon, sun, and starlight? Fuck's sake, even Hackson couldn't bother to make the elves in the LotR movies sing, when singing was constant in the books. Yeah, the original D&D borrowed heavily from Tolkien, but even the artwork from that is nearly unrecognizable today. Really, you ended up with this chain of derivatives where Tolkien borrowed from actual mythology, D&D borrowed from Tolkien (and from other works in its later editions), Warhammer borrowed from D&D, Warcraft straight-up ripped off Warhammer because Blizzard couldn't get the IP, and then thousands and thousands of games, books, and settings ripped off everything from Tolkien on up, with the emphasis being on the most recent works (e.g. Warcraft). Eventually it devolved into a gigantic hideous circlejerk where everything looks the same. People like you then dismiss it all as "Tolkien-esque" without realizing just how generationally far-removed it is from Tolkien himself.
>>729392283settings ripped off everything from Tolkien on up, with the emphasis being on the most recent works (e.g. Warcraft). Eventually it devolved into a gigantic hideous circlejerk where everything looks the same. People like you then dismiss it all as "Tolkien-esque" without realizing just how generationally far-removed it is from Tolkien himself.Biggest "development" is inheriting the need to be "balanced" compared to other species from D&D game mechanics. Typically this materializes as turning physical and (hard won) moral superiority into impotent arrogance. Most works also lack proper world building and have only blind aping of (usually pitifully recent) earlier works, so elves along with numerous other superfluous critters appear in settings without being a fundamental part of them.Considering this rose from what was awful game design in the first place, it's a wonder this kind of thinking continued to carried along like a tumorous package even to works completely unrelated to games.
>>729392348Elves look at the achievements and failings of mankind and their reactions are "yeah, we've been there". Particularly in Ñoldor terms, Elves have already made every major mistake you can possibly make, and know in the case of Faënor that assholes gonna asshole, and as a result are hesitant to involve themselves in anything shortsighted no matter how seemingly righteous. Even worse with Dwarves, a race who seemingly continue to repeat the same mistakes for stupid reasons (from an Elf perspective) and wonder why Elves never want to get involvedWhen copying Elves from Tolkien, many writers kept these truths but without explanation as to why, making them seem irrational and alien in their settings. For example without a history of Faënor fucking everything up, Elves just come off as douchebags for not wanting to join a great war against evil, and without literally being taught by mother nature itself how to create a civilization the tree-hugging stuff is just a dull trope without justification
>>729392283>Warcraft straight-up ripped off WarhammerStill repeating this meme, GW and one exec talked about potentially a warhammer game after the first two warcrafts were already out.
>>729392409Pretty much all elves in modern fiction are poor derivatives of d&d elves who are poor derivatives of Tolkien elves.Elves in LOTR are 7 feet tall average while DND and onward elves tend to be skinny manlets, WoW's purple tree niggers notwithstandingTolkien elves, which pretty much are OG elves, are pretty cool. Then jews got their hands of the fantasy genre and they made elves insufferable fuckwits, competent stripping them of what Tolkien characterised them as and instead exaggerating their surface aesthetics. They did the same to orcs, they took basically mongol apemen with no redeeming qualities and turned them into green niggers and then fetishesized them and making them into noble savages.But basically in the genre garbage and tabletop jewpeegees dwarves are exalted because in Tolkien's original lore they were Germanic in character but also took some aspects of the jews. If you've ever seen Wagner's Ring cycle then you know why the kikes are so keen to make dwarves the most relatable and cool. Anyway, the elves of Tolkien basically encapsulated a wealth of aryan ideals and had some angelic qualities to them, so the jews shat on them to no end. That's basically it.
>>729392481Elf, alf, elb, alb all means white. It's Germanic people.English is a Germanic language and therefore an elven language.German is a Germanic language and therefore an elven language.It's one of the reason I am pissed at elves in media.99% is pure degeneracy.Elves were the only things other than the gods themselves the Germanic people allowed for a synonym/substitute for humanity.Show some respect.The word elf comes from the Indo-european alb which is associated with white.The proto-Germanic albiz (where all the Germanic forms of the word elf come from) means white-person, not just white.As for the gods, there was no real distinction between elves and gods in the Skaldic verse. Both were used interchangeably. There's also some overlap between elves/gods and ancestral spirits.And the connection to the Germanic Gods and the Germanic people should be obvious as tons of heroes, kings and wise men were said to be decedents of Gods or Elves and regular humans.Even when Christianity became dominant many stories still involve elves mixing with righteous rulers and heroes, like in Karel ende Elegast where one of Charlemagne's sister married the elf king Elegast.
Some idiot forgot to set terms & conditions for payment, though the commissioned artisans probably didn't make the right call when they asked for the product as payment.
>>729377074the Gnome cries as he chucks you in lava
>>729373865I prefer racist elf and human instead
