AI in vidya, nay or yay?
I would only accept AI if games were cheaper.
notice how it specifies generative>umm my npcs are controlled by AI? fine>umm my world has procedurally AI generated dungeons and map? fine>heckin texture busywork uses AI to develop games more efficiently and offload some boring repetitive task on AI so that humans can actually make meaningful and impactful things? SHUT IT DOWN I HATE AI I HATE AI I HATE AIextremely peculiar visceral reaction
>>729377335you mean free? no effort in development means the game should be free.
>>729377238Nobody wants generative AI in anything
It's no different from using stock models or clipart to me. It's low effort, but if it's done in a way that nobody notices then who cares?I remember whenever Mass Effect did a big character reveal and it was just some stock photo with 2 seconds of photoshop done to it and people were uppity. AI is the same as that.
>>729377385https://quanticfoundry.com/2025/12/18/gen-ai/#
>>729377238Good game yay. Bad game nay.>>729377410I want generative AI wherever it makes a task easier or possible. That's what tools are for.
>>729377385Those aren't the same systems as all you colossal retard. Procedural generation and NPC state machines are not even close to LLMs and diffusion models, marketeers call the latter "AI" to make them sound more useful than they are.l and invoke similarities to movies/books.
>>729377402>freeIn the age of slave labor, idea men are the true masters (assuming they start out with enough money to realize those ideas).
>>729377238Sure if it makes a better game. I haven't seen it used enough in games yet to make a determination. The fact artfags are so afraid of it means they realize its potential. That alone tells me we should see what it can do longterm
>>729377238Let me check and see what opinions trannies and Indians hold on it before I decide if I like it or not
>>729377608uh yeah I was pointing at that throughout my postsomeone promptslopped a bunch of rocks and other irrelevant textures that you will never even see in a video game, how is that bad
>>729377646>it means they realize its potentialNo, it's because the majority of consumers are cattle and will eat whatever the corporations put in their trough. Your boomer dad is watching AI slop reels and your mom is buying horrible looking AI slop Christmas decorations, because advertisements and algorithms promote it to them and they don't care, don't have taste, and it's cheaper and faster. If you actually have taste, you are being hurt by the proliferation of garbage like this.
>>729377705>trannies and Indianstrannies hate it, indians love it because they can use it to compete (somewhat) with White men
>>729377795You don't need AI slop for that? There are hundreds of thousands of actual rock textures and models online, in texture packs, asset marketplaces, for free even.
>>729377889Okay but what if it isn't rocks? What if it's a specific type of alien rocks?
>>729377385>umm my npcs are controlled by AI? fineEnemy and NPC AI is just internal programmed logic. It's VERY different from generative AI.>umm my world has procedurally AI generated dungeons and map? fineIt's lazy and the only people who like this are open world and roguelike enthusiasts, and both open world and roguelike elements actively make their games worse exactly because of the procedural nature of the level design.>heckin texture busywork uses AI to develop games more efficiently and offload some boring repetitive taskGame devs have been able to do this efficiently for years without AI assistance, adopting the use of gen AI for this kind of task starts a slippery slope that eventually leads to games being more soulless, more generic, less interesting. Use of gen AI inevitably leads to less quality.
lmao trannies whats your deal?
>>729377817You sound mad. Get a real job
>>729378164They're afraid of AI because their appeal to emotion bullshit doesn't work on it. Now its taking away their jobs drawing porn. Their world is crumbling around them
nooooo protect my nepotism job!
>>729378197I'm an accountant though? I also enjoy beautiful things and high effort art in my life, not lowest common denominator trash.
Why are people commonly calling traditional programming (like enemy behavior) AI? You didn't need a server farm for enemies to try to pincer you in FEAR.Idiots
Pretty much all games reuse assets and code anyway. Don't see how generating different ones is worse.You'll just waste time and money if you make everything from scratch every time.
>>729377705Trannies hate it, indians love it and are the main users of gen AIAlso most tech companies pushing hard for AI are lead by jeets too so keep that in mind
>>729378259>nepotism useless jobs such as... drawing and modelling the actual videogame behold /v/, the dumbest board on the site
>>729377238>Games are about creativity>Games ape other games>Games stop being creative by whale hunting and microtransactions spamming>It's ALL about chasing them monies >People are somehow spooked again that games are going for AI which is cheap free moneyAnd just like that in about 3 years AI will be commonplace like your favorite fortnite skin. And you'll clap.
>>729378313They're tech illiterate, this conflation is an intentional marketing gimmick. Everything is AI saar!!!
>>729378346it's a productivity tool, there's no argument against more productivity unless you're a leech
>>729378270Everyone knows what "accountant" means these days
>>729378259People who get their jobs through nepotism are in protected positions anyway, what the fuck do you think nepotism IS?I'm sorry that offloading thinking to chatgpt made you unable to use your brain anon, I'm really sorry.
>>729378313it's almost like AI has changed some in the last 30 years, dumbass
>>729378465>muh productivity No, I don't want them to shit out trash faster and cheaper. I want developers to be slow and take their time to develop high quality games. I don't want to jerk off profit margins and stock prices like tendies.
>>729377238Only if it replaces poojeet outsourcing
>>729378313AIfags are known for being dishonest and disingenuous
>>729378561LmaoEverything will be outsourced to pajeets, they'll be the ones proompting If AI slop put the bar for effort and ability to make garbage to the floor, and is explicitly used to cut corners and save money, why hire a westerner to promt the slop?
>>729377238Half the men and most women and trannies are retarded, go figured. Could have told you that without a graph.Only technophobic digitards screech against AI.
>>729377238All this says is that men lack the courage to speak out against corporate bullshit and that they need to do better
>>729378507We had AI 30 years ago?See what I mean. Idiots use this word like they know what it means but they have no fucking clue.
>be game systems designer>want to pitch an idea to the art team>I can't draw for shit and I can't just borrow a guy from the art team to produce a concept of my idea>decide to use AI to gen something resembling my idea to include in my powerpoint pitch to the art team in our meeting tomorrow>get fired
>>729378397>Games are about creativitylol. what kinda fucking nonsense that is? it's always been make as much money as possible. "creativity" is side product of trying to think of different way of making money when customers get bored of the old thing.
>>729378697yes? AI didn't start with LLMs, open a book, dumbass
>>729378726All that I'm hearing is that you are too stupid to figure out an easy solution to a problem. Think of it this way, if you were in a similar situation even just 5 years ago, what would you have done?
>>729378861>hey game director-san can I borrow a guy from the art team for 10 hours to produce a concept of my idea?>sure anon, we'll deduct those 10 hours from your salary>o-ok nevermind I guess...
>>729378836Since you are so smart, please teach me. How has enemy behavior in games evolved over the last 30 years and how has AI been used exclusively throughout that time period? Maybe give me 5 examples?You are making a claim, support it. Don't run away now.
>>729377238Most people I know don't hate "AI", but hate the people pushing it (i.e. rich billionaires and scammers) and guys are already dependent on it. Pic very much related.
>>729377238That is a broad stroke, there are many ways to use a computer to assist in generation of material which can all technically be considered AI. Like Minecraft random world generation could be considered AI but everyone loves that. Actually people loved it even more when there were less restrictions on what kind of worlds it would make. Anyway, in any case, there are methods to avoid something coming off as sloppy. If the developer is lazy or lacks creativity, the slop will show. Personally I really want to see AI in the case of being able to communicate with NPCs and have them take unique actions which aren't all pre-programmed by devs, and also to have them voice themselves in realtime.
>>729379005So your argument for having someone at the company do their job is that someone at the company shouldn't be doing their job? Wtf...so many stupid idiots these days...how did you graduate high school?
trannies dont like AI is its because AI is in its transitional period, something they will never, ever have
>>729379186That's what she gets for a one word response
I can see all that RAM, coal and tflops are being put to good use.
>>729378726>>I can't draw for shitSkill issue.
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>>729378726>I need art team to create concept art>so I prompt an AI to create concept art for the art team to turn into concept artDo you have any idea of how retarded that is? Why do you think that the people doing the concept art need you to send a drawing of what you want to begin with?
>>729379186>bro forgot to remove the "did you like this response" part
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>>729379186Man, that's just pathetic
>>729378861I'd have used older ai, but not get fired. I doubt you get fired for that now, but if we pretend that you could get fired for it in a time when bosses encourage you to use it.Actually it's more like opposite at our company. You're more likely getting fired if you refuse to learn new tool sets.
>>729378836>>729379152You haven't come back yet or maybe my question stumped you. So let me give you a head start. You were talking about AI and it's extensive use in enemy behavior over 30 years. Please explain to me how Doom used AI in its enemy behavior and how Doom Eternal also used AI in enemy behavior and how much more advanced Eternal's AI system is.
>>729378313because we always called it that, you fucking teenager. We'd say "FEAR and Halo have good AI" in 2005 and we meant the enemy behavior system. Or we'd say it in reference to some vague sci-fi idea of what we're actually getting now.Only recently did that word completely change meaning to exclusively be about neural network GPU shit
>>729380270>sealioningthe definition of AI evolves, Doom sprites used AI by the definition of the time
>>729379276No but I can tell you've never had a corporate job if you think I can just commission the art team to do whatever the fuck I want like their schedule isn't busy enough already.Tell me, what's so bad about me using AI gens to produce a mockup version of a UI element instead of using fucking plain rectangles? That way we have a base concept that took 10 seconds to generate and we can discuss not only its layout but I can also show them what feel I'm going for, and the entire team can be aligned from the very beginning. They can start working on their concepts all the same, but they have a better defined base.Or you'd rather have me type the prompt on my Powerpoint slide and keep the wireframe so that the art team's imagination is not sullied by big bad scary AI?
>>729377531The funny thing is, what people enjoy of these will basically be inverse.People by and large will HATE having AI opponents that actually learn and improve to what you do.Especially when it is you the player that can't learn and continue being punished endlessly for the same strategy.Meanwhile, AI 'art', music, and so on are quickly becoming indistinguishable from "real" art, where dynamic Dialog is going to be a godsend, on top of properly endless and (mostly) interesting quest/missions compared to the (neat at the time) lame radiant Bethesda quests, to say nothing of the lame as fuck main quests we're getting as the rule anyway. They'll still probably fuck up in these cases more so than not, and that will sour people's experiences for longer than the former, like music and 'art', which are easy enough to review, or quickly forgotten in the midst of frame-by-frame generative interpolation.No. This graph will demonstrate how retarded people actually are. Especially since where the graph itself will completely flip after a majority of games are using AI in a majority of cases of every category. But it will STILL be the dynamic difficulty that influences shareholders by mediating "engagement". Just like SBMM does right now. Everyone hates it. Everyone keeps fucking playing.Personally it's bonuses all around. I'll finally get all the most degenerate games I always wanted by simply generating them on the fly, even while I still get to hear everyone complain about the slop their still being served.
zoomers and alphies can hate on ai all they want but devs are all embracing it
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>>729377238Why are women and enbies so much more retarded then men? Is it in their genes?
>>729377531>quests are the lowest for very negativeretards, AI is fucking horrible at storytelling, even the AI copers dont even argue that
>>729377238I don't like it, but if AI becomes commonplace in vidya, then so be it. I'm already non-buynary, so dodging slop won't be hard for me.I think the AIbro fallout will be funny too once AI use and acceptance goes mainstream. These people think they're riding some big revolution, like they're going to come out of nowhere with no previous merit or creative background and gen masterpiece after masterpiece once the models allow for it. But really they're just enabling people above their own status to rise even higher.AIbros are basically going to get buried hard by all the existing veteran game devs hopping on the AI train and outcompeting them across the board, and since they're so insistent on using genAI for most things, they'll never improve in the things that matter, either. Watch them all turn viciously anti-AI once the thing they're pushing for leaves them in the dust instead.
>>729377238I know AI will lead to the porn games of my dreams but I also don't want to see humanity lose its creative spirit. Overall I'm conflicted.
>generativethat's life in general. like a man and a woman conceiving a new person, generative. maybe ai can become as complex as humans. then I can use it to generate a new life. something or someone with its own thoughts and personality. a unique life I can love and be loved by.
>>729380949the creative spirit has already been seized by money. if anything ai is another life boat some creative soul might find.
>>729380949artists are way better at using AI then non artists
>>729380472So I can add this to my presentation to communicate the vibe and then the art team can work their magic and make something with the same vibe that looks much better no doubt. But at the very least our early drafts are going to look a lot better than they would've before gen AI with very little extra effort.
>>729378539>No, I don't want them to shit out trash faster and cheaper.You're the only one who insists it must be trash. Your lack of skill and creativity when dealing with new tools is your problem.>I want developers to be slow and take their time to develop high quality games.Well, aren't you a busybody, wishing you could dictate to others how they work. Too bad.>I don't want to jerk off profit margins and stock prices like tendies.You're also incapable of comprehending that there's millions of indie devs including those releasing software for free, because in your mind you can only imagine corporations as using the tool.
>>729381735Because you can "forget" about it and leave it in the final game.
>>729381449I said that because AI is already more creative than 90% of people, human creativity won't be valued at all once a proper AI media pipeline is established.
>>729380685>devChris avellone is a jobless bum.
I genuinely don't know where AI can even help in development other than maybe concept art. It can't code so if you use it for that it's gonna be spaghetti and not workIt can't voice act, see autodub attempts like https://x.com/ramic2969/status/1913455551549223081It can't develop movies longer than 5 seconds, it already loses consistency if that.So what can it even do other than maybe replace art with slop?
>>729383957he was hired for an rpg (probably a movie game) being made by quantic dream guys this year
>>729377238Voting no is the most retarded thing a person can do lol.
>>729384505Textures and animations.
>>729384505>I genuinely don't know where AI can even help in development other than maybe concept art.this just proves you're a subhuman with zero imaginationdamn dude
>>729384505>I genuinely don't know where AI can even help in development other than maybe concept art. Only if you're a poor indie dev that doesn't have an actual concept artist.
>>729380685I chuckled.
i love all the luddite bargaining in these threads. they think they can reason their way out of this when theyre just getting overpowered.
>>729377385No matter how you slice it, people don't want to pay for shit that isn't made by other people even if indirectly.If we had one of those "Matter Generators" from Stark Trek IRL then no one would be willing to pay for anything since it's the LABOR of making something that actually holds some semblance of value in the human mind along with SCARCITY even though it's only partial since no one wants to buy some random baby's finger painting even though it's technically a one-of-one and NEED which might be the most important factor of the three.This is the fundamental problem with AI that makes it impossible in our current social structure, we would have to upend currency as a whole to make it work or literally make it the only option (which seems to be the current goal for these companies). Every other option is doomed to fail.
>>729380654You can smell the brown on this post.
>>729378313AI is a misnomer in the first place. It should be referred to as ML, but the satanic hypebeast bubble is calling it AI because they all read The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect and want to bring about the torment nexus singularity (they won't)
>>729378313Because right now AI is shorthand for generative AI. Nobody is mad about NPC AI, they're mad at vibe coders making every tech related thing they touch bloated shit that doesn't work right.
>>729377335eventually it'll be cheaper for devs.....but not for you, peasant consoomer
>>729387265machine(artificial, it's made) learning(requires intelligence)fucking autistic retard
>>729378256>>729378164
>>729388828>STUDIES SHOW
>>729388828These kinds of "studies" are pretty worthless and just take place for an agenda or even just to write the article itself.... the study is probably some strawpoll of <100 "people"
>>729389040>>729389136yes but when the (((studies))) push my fringe /pol/ ideology, theyre based and redpilled, not cringe and jewish
>>729377238>AI in vidya, nay or yay?Without AI, every game character you interact with would be stupid.
>>729378467Internal auditing?
This thread makes me want to sperg out and make an indepth video talking about the history of AI and computing and use my masters in computer engineering for something outside of work
I support AI because it's fucking terrible. Accelerationism is the only logical position.
>>729389040>>729389136why are you pretending? its just funny to see them announce whats obvious to everybody.
