Never forget what Erebus, Lorgar and Magnus took from you.
>don't burn monarchialorgar stays loyal>don't be such a secretive fuckmagnus might not have destroyed the webway project>big e and malcador somehow didn't sense fulgrim walked around with a demon bladewhats this about anyway>say 'thank you' to perturabowouldve remained loyal>mortarion shouldve died on barbarus>angron shouldve died on nuceria
The Khan is the coolest.
>>729380915Yeah the books really make the heresy gay.
>>729381039he is incredibly cool
>>729380503> visibly damaged balcony collapses under their terrible combined mass and they fall hundreds of stories down each doing a cartoonish variant of a wilhelm scream
>>729380503Erebus did nothing wrong.
>>729380503Sex with celestine
>>729381581>"I consider those that inflicted such ignominy upon me, and how they started their stories so nobly and will end them in the gutter. They hate me not because of what I am, but because of what they were. They hate me because they turned, and I did not. The records of our enemies call us all turncoats, but I changed no allegiance. I was always here just as I am now, aware of myself and the universe that made me. I lied with every breath I ever took, except to myself. That is purity, of a kind, and something that no other soul in this grand armada of renegades can boast."
>>729380503Magnus barely even turned? nigga was tricked into joining chaos, and even then, most of the shit he does nowadays is piss off the Space Wolvesfuck the Space Wolves anyways
>>729380503Erebus almost redeems himself for offing Erda. ALMOST.
>>729382194There is something sublime in Erebus, even in that it isn't his real name. Truly the best character.
>>729383349truly The Hand of Destiny
What the fuck is up with the eyes?
>>729380915I don't think there was much hope for Lorgar. If you think about it he was surrounded by two of the possibly worst individuals around. Kor Phaeron and Erebus both should've been lined up and shot at some point.
GRANDFATHERMY SOUL IS YOURS
>>729383447stinky
>>729380915Because Big E was in full gloves off "I'll do it myself" mode. Remember, he already dragged humanity out of Age of Strife once. Primarchs were just another set of tools in the grand plan.
>>729383429You mean horus? They’re based on the eyes of horus.
In-universe I always found it odd that Jimmy didn't prep humanity about chaos prior to and during the great crusade. I know that he wanted to get a webway going but with humanity having to interact with the warp in the meantime, and then there being entities that want to stranglerapetorture every living soul in existence, I would have thought he'd set people straight about it.I can understand not using worship of him as a balwark against chaos as it can be subverted and goes against his le science ideals, but you have entire castes of human societies that are psykers, and you created generals that have varying amounts of psyker power? If the average person starts getting introduced to spooky shit he didn't know existed, what sort of defense would he have to resist it? But if he knew about the murderamputationbloodlettingorgies he would hopefully tell his friendly neighbourhood cultist to fuck off.Just seems a bit shortsighted of him.
>>729383436>Inside you there are two wolves
>>729380915>lorgar stays loyallorgar bails the second he learns about the gods.he should have been killed along side angron
>>729380503damn, Mortarion is smoking some nasty-ass weed
https://youtu.be/CML9XULIgZE&t=107
I just want Perturabo to have a happy ending, he's had a hard life
>written in a year starting with a 2>canon
>>729380503>MagnusHe could only do so much about what was conspiring, he shouldn't have done anything of course but that's a hindsight thing.
>>729380503>Chaos is le bad because... well it just is, okay???Yawn I say
>>729391824>Chaos is le bad becauseBy its very nature it requires any and all systems and stability to deteriorate to sustain itself?
>>729380503good riddance
>>729388312Knowledge of them grants them power to them. Big E said “well I’m just not gonna tell anyone” and got very close to working
>>729391936Imperialtard propagandaDiversity is our strength
>>729392003Does it? I thought it was just emotions and gay orgies that fuel warp entities. And faith if we're talking about saints and all that.
>>729380915>lorgar stays loyalUnless Kor and Erebus get put down, not burning Monarchia just delays the inevitable
It's all Big Es faultHow do you let a bunch of retard chaos god kidnapp your main project you working on
>>729392373Well you see, it was a woman's fault.Isn't GW so progressive?
I wish there were non chaos humans that weren't part of that shit hole imperium. The galaxy is fucking huge
>>729392452Aren't there humans in Tau space?
What would you say is the best written 40k book? I'm about to finish Rogue Trader and I may dive into the lore a bit more deeply
Shoutout to my bald nigga SIGISMUND
>>729392568GW doesn't care about the Tau unless it's Mechs and kroots
>>729392728
>>729380503Reminder that Magnus did nothing wrong.(as in, all he had to do was nothing. And he fucking did it FUCKING WRONG!)
>>729392870Magnus get off the webspace
>>729392452Core-wards you have the Votann and Votann-cultured basline humans. In that vein you have rogue trader fiefdoms.I'm sure there are lots of examples it just depends on if you mean culturally Imperial or administered by imperial institutions (what level of autonomy before it doesn't count?)I don't think forge worlds and the like is what you're meaning though is it?
so why did /tg/ hate TTS so muchAre they that much of a purist they hate even comedy done by their oh so sacred 40k?
>>729380915The slopus heresy was the most embarrassing fanfic writing exercise by GW after the End Times.But because 40keks, especially if the inperiumtard variety, are massive paypigs with no taste, it sold gold and ensured the Marvelification of the setting going forward.
>everyone shits on erebus>as an astartes in a world with chaos gods, emperor, primarchs etc manages to manipulate a civil war near singlehandedly corrupting several legions worth of astartes via his lodgesyou might not like him but put some fucking respect on his nameabsolute mvp of the heresy and its not close
>>729388312>>729392157If you knew there was a instant way to get immortality and life changing boons from the Gods how many people do you think would instantly go for it? Then consider that all it takes is one jackass turning to Nurgle to potentially plague an entire planet and involuntarily damn all their souls for eternity to the Plague Cauldron, whatever their faith.The Emperor was right, He just got outplayed. There was no other choice until the Webway was prepared. Lorgar would not have been able to keep this knowledge to himself because of his faith and drive to save all the souls of mankind. Magnus' curiosity would have led to his inevitable corruption. All the rogue psykers needed to be headshotted or risk becoming a gateway and even sanctioned psykers were too problematic to allow because of all the aforementioned. He knew the Heresy was coming, He tried to control it and almost succeeded. Really when it comes down to it, the only thing that completely fucked everything up that he didnt and couldnt account for was Magnus being absolutely retarded and Perty being emo without any intervention from the Ruinous Powers.
>>729392728>What would you say is the best written 40k bookInfinite and the DivineIt rises from being a good Warhammer sloppa book to actually bring an above average book in general.
>>729392985>soFag.
>>729392787Now you are just being mean, dude
>>729393448Silence, quaternary.
>>729392904That anon is using wordplay, he's saying Magnus found a way to fuck up when the only move needed was doing nothing.He's right, but Magnus couldn't have known the 4D chess game at work.
>>729393150>If you knew there was a instant way to get immortality and life changing boons from the Gods how many people do you think would instantly go for it?If I knew that it meant that I would have my mind dissected and put back together with duct tape and dried cum, have spikes shoved up me bum every day, and have demons from the pits of hell constantly trying to hijack my body so it can burn down my entire civilisation... no, probably not mate.But if I DIDN'T know any of that because, for example, The Grand Autismo decided that's all in the need-to-know category of species-endangering phenomona, then I'd say where the fuck do I sign up and prompty get bum-spiked by a demon with a tendancy for arson.Humanity, and this includes Horus Heresy himself, had little to no protection against it all. Granted they had to put some work in to get Jorge on board, but others were turned just because of quirks of their psyche and daddy issues. Like I said it's right shortsighted.>the only thing that completely fucked everything up that he didnt and couldnt account for was Magnus being absolutely retarded and Perty being emo without any intervention from the Ruinous Powers.Like I said, shortsighted. Consider that one is a bright red cyclops with an insatiable thirst for spooky knowledge, that said spooky knowledge is a lot of time gate-kept by Chaos itself, and the fact that E keeps telling him off for fucking around with it(despite having himself the most spook-juice of anyone who's ever existed). And then the other is a school shooter, wearing a tank and commanding an entire legion of smaller Perts.
>>729394045Let's be real for a second here - a lot of problems in Horus Heresy are due to being behold to the status quo in 40k.
>>729380503What's with the stink fumes coming off of Magnus?
>>729394429Risks of standing beside Mortarion
>>729380503>sanguinius furthest away>angron is a manlet>stinky mortarion
>>729390916>28 Heretic Terminators pulling up in black Land Raider transports>Drop pods landed landed>Holy Terry is under siege, under lock down
>>729380915chaos apologists get the rope too.
>>729392728anything by C.S. Goto (PBUH)
>>729380915Fucking heretics.
>>729394265Yeah my first post was prefaced with 'in-universe' because of precisely that. And tbdesuwithya I think they've done an okay job mostly, considering that it's a narrative spanning over decades worth of media. I'd be interested to know if they ever came close to making the call to extend the timeline at an earlier point, and when starting with the Heresy stuff, if they considered any large retcons just to make the plot work better. Somewhat related, but Arkhan Land comes to mind. That was such a needlessly retarded thing to do that I'm actually okay with it.
Horus heresy shit was a mistake. There was zero benefit for the setting to elaborate on this period so thoroughly in the first place, but they also gave this task to multiple retards who were poorly coordinated with each other.Btw is that absurdity about chaos gods appearing because of a fight between Emperor and Horus creating a time paradox still canon, or it's nor real and I imagined it in some drunken hallucination?
>>729395512they absolutely, abhorrently fucked up some things that didn't need changes. like with Ollanius Pius where the entire original POINT was this random hero guardsmen with balls of fucking titanium stood before horus to defend the wounded emperor.
>>729392728>>729395379
>>729380503>You have met them, yes, this Emperor’s deadly new toys? His mutilated half-men and his soulless women, his gilded homunculi and blinded warp-speakers? Do you think them human then? Are they any less monstrous for a shape familiar to the eye? I think not. All this devilry of gene-craft and forbidden alchemy, do you think it somehow clean simply because it is worked by your self-effacing godhead-in-denial? And what ancient broken vault or bloody laboratory-prison did he - most monstrous of all - spring from? Or do you yet believe his whispered lies of immortality and pre-genesis? You would condemn me for my sins of reason and invention, but it is my eyes which see clearly you wish to blind. I damn you; I damn you all to the future hell which you already run to embrace like a lover.
>>729395745lorelet here, how did a human even get there to begin with? surely the emperor only brought powerhouses like custodes and sanguinus
>>729392985no one likes a tourist, and no one likes a tourist that makes you thing barely recognizable to sell it to other tourists. Or have you forgotten the shit you and your /v/ames have been dealing with since what, mid 2010's?
>Big E: MAGNUS>Magnus: Yes, father?>Big E: Now listen, you are the most responsible of my sons. Whatever you do, do NOT go into the garage before I get home. There is a surprise for you all in there and I need someone I can trust to keep it a secret.>Magnus: Okay...>Magnus: Fuck that I'm going into the garageEverything was Magnus' fault.
>>729395379I can use Google and saw the opinions, so I'm not falling for itHow bad are his books really? Now I'm curious but not enough to read them
>>729380915Don’t forget that one of the oldest eldar seers somehow didn’t notice the laer blade either, until it was way too late, and that magnus in spite of his mary sue levels of psychic power couldn’t boot erebus out of horus’ vision. The more i re-read hh the worse the writing feels
>>729395978a lot more people went up and they just got separated
>>729395978First it was Imperial propaganda for their cannon fodder. Then it was retconned to a terminator. Then the novels made the guy an immortal who has been reincarnating since biblical times, and was best buds with the emperor at one point. He was part of a whole group of these immortal humans, one of them who shot MLK on behalf of an alien group. Did I mention the Horus Heresy novels are fucking retarded?
>>729396134I forgot what a breath of fresh air Legion was at the time when it came out. And then everyone forgot about it as Alpha Legion became a joke. even goddamn John Grammaticus was good in this novel.
The issue with providing any amount of information or trying to avoid any amount of transgressions is some facets of Chaos influence are unavoidable. Chaos gradually wears down the sensibilities of the minds it can reach from all the shit in life you're exposed to the longer you live.Khorne is one of the simplest example. Who here hasn't lost their temper at some point in life?In a perpetual warrior life first you'd become so used to grotesque displays of force you wouldn't always register excessive violence, only time wasting complaints about it over useful intel on success or failure.Then you begin to feel righteous indignation while subjecting it on vile people, creatures really, deserving it.Eventually the idea of opposing something naturally due because of made up "laws" stops being just annoying and become an infuriating reminder how the worthless tripe of clueless self-important fools and traitors just weakens people, delays the inevitable point of war.And after all you've done with your dried blood caked hands you start to feel like a mighty wolf amidst a herd of lambs, showing fealty to mangy sheep dogs.If only there was some other way....
>>729395604>>729395745oohh yeah. When I think HH I think the first maybe 10 books and the odd banger like Tallarn, Nemesis, Legion etc. I heavily skimmed the books in the solar war (that was the name right?) series and outright skipped some because it was a bit of a slog and the whole Inevitable City stuff warp fuckery was extremely gay and annoying.Completely forgot about all that honestly. I won't defend it, but I will say that overall I'm glad the series was made. I enjoyed reading about that era of the setting. Maybe a seperate opinions can be given on the 'Crusade' books and the 'Heresy' books.>>729396074They're pretty fucking bad mate. Completely unfaithful, ignores the lore entirely if it suits him, but can't even fall back on artisitc license because the writing is appalling. If you really want to know more check this page out. 1d4chan in general is pretty decent for lore noobs too. https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/C.S._Goto
>>729396134to be fair, magus was half a galaxy away in the chaos gods had stirred up the warp so badly no astropaths could message out, and evidently between landing on davin and istavaan getting trechery'd the first time, you couldn't see the light of terra in the warp in that area, which is why dorn picked up the eisenstien.
>>729380915...whats this from
>>729380503Magnus did nothing wrong IN CONTEXT
>>729380503heretical thought of the day: I am happy Magnus ruined the webway project, because if Emperor succeeded, he would genocide the mutant navigatorsI just want cute mutant navigator gf to cuddle with, is that too much to ask? Thank you for keeping my dream alive, Magnus, you are a good boy, despite what Leman and your dad say.
>>729396504prison school
>>729396385Fulgrim was really good too, i felt the pacing of the fall of the emperor’s children was really well done. Also the effects of slaanesh on mortals are fucking brutal. They are by far the worst, holy fuck. That painter woman arc was sad as shit
>>729383436How the fuck does Lorgar rationalize the Chaos Gods being essentially demons that thrive on suffering with his own desire to "save mankind souls"? Like, they don't even try to pretend to be benevolent and treated him like shit several times. Anything they touch gets corrupted and doomed to an existence even more miserable than what life in the Imperium already is.
More like what they have given to you, 2 cool settings in form of Horus Heresy and 40k.
>>729396385Legion and Scars were really good books that gave a spotlight to forgotten legions.On the other hand, Dark Angels got like five books and all of them were shit.
>>729392985They didn't, well both all of them, there was a sizable amount of people having fun in threads whenever a new episode dropped.There is however always people bitter over being reminded of when /tg/ was more FUN
>>729381581Call Hades or hell, Gehenna, Naraka, or the Underworld... call it... the Warp, call it what you will! But I am bringing it forth onto the material plane. Calth was the genesis of the Storm Magnus, I will make an entire subsector suffer enough that the curtain falls and the 500 worlds drown in the warp!
>>729396630Cassia is turning into a slug you retard
>>729396504Fulgrim in "The Reflection Crack'd"
>>729396638>high-school slopthanks for the answer tho
>angry guy>named angronWarhammer fags think this is good writing btw
>>729396712By having a level of existential autism that surpasses everyone else in the galaxy, coupled with the naivety of a retard. imagine promoting your abusive dad to your second-in-comand. Can you imagine any other primarch doing that?
>>729396067Only like half. The dumbass destroying the webway is 100% his fault
>>729396712logar is the tent hellfire baptist preacher that fucks whores and has a big house. what he says doesn't matter, because he's already going to be a demon prince and therefor raised in the eyes of chaos, where everyone else has to slog up the ladder, get mutated, have their souls eaten, etc. It literally doesn't matter to him that chaos is a nightmare for humanity that leads to nothing but suffering, death, and damnation. He gets to be correct, and he's already cashing the checks the gods gave him for setting up this entire fuckshow
>>729396969He wasn't named Angron. He kept his gladiator nickname. And yes, gladiators have cheesy names, just like wrestlers
>>729396385I'm in the middle of going through the Heresy right now and I honestly can not stand legion. It's not as trash as the Dark Angels shit but just as pointless
>>729396969if youre going to be like that, pick the guy with the metal hands called ferrus manus who leads the iron hands legion aboard the flagshig named the fist of iron
>>729394045>If I knew that it meant that I would have my mind dissected and put back together with duct tape and dried cum, have spikes shoved up me bum every day, and have demons from the pits of hell constantly trying to hijack my body so it can burn down my entire civilisation... no, probably not mate.And yet in 40k we saw once that knowledge spread it caused no end of shit. Same way you got libtard white males that clap and scream stunning and brave and support anti-human globohomo feminazi-socialism to get some pussy in liberal arts college and are now shocked SHOCKED that they can't get a job because they are consider the literal devil of this age because of their white penis and society wants them dead. Most people are idiots. And case in point, knowledge of your eventual fate as a Chaos Cultist is not known or even apparent until the entire world falls and natural selection plays out. All you know is that your affliction is cured! You are stronger! You are more attractive! You have arcane powers! Everything is genuinely great and better. It really isn't for quite awhile that the downsides become apparent and honestly for the average meatsack in the Imperium, they are genuinely better off with Chaos. Better to have a short lived party than be stuck in the excruciating meatgrinder.
>>729397192>guy living on lava planet>named VulcanWarhammer shouldn't be taken seriously
Why did he do it
>>729397159>but just as pointlessHence at the time of release. Problem was they did nothing with it.
>>729396767>Dark Angel I only went though the first two books. The first one was pointless as fuck and adds nothing. The second has half his legion going traitor with the excuse that ultimately comes down to "he lost trust in us" which they treat as a bad thing when you realize the book gives way too many reason why Lion was right for not trusting any of those retards
Isn't it about time for the imperium to collapse and various small empires to rise from its ashes?Would make for a much more interesting setting
>>729397227Sex with cultist chan
>>729380915To be fair, most of the Primarchs betrayals had more to do with their own human failings than the Emperors.Magnus pride due to being the second strongest psycher in the galaxy. Perturabo own pettiness and inferiority complex. Mortarion resentments over his own weakness that he projected on everybody around him. Horus own insecurities and need to be loved/respected by everybody, specially the Emperor. Fulgrim obsession with perfection that served as the crack the demon used to posses him. Angron being a lost cause even before the Emperor found him.Alpharius arrogance in thinking he always knew more than everybody else and that he could always outsmart anyone.Lorgar being a religious fanatic that needs to worship a God even if is the Devil, and being willing to rationalize any evil for the sake of that.
>>729397437They basically already did this with Blueberry Imperium and Dark Angels Imperium.
>>729397498>Primarchs betrayals>AlphariusKWAB
> And for all of this, I am hated. For being there at the outset, for laying the foundations that others would willingly build on. I think they wish to find something in this story that explains things – some moment of decision, some choice that could later be regretted or accounted for. But it’s just as I said – none exists. I have always been on this road, never turning, never deviating. For now, though, I am content. I am loathed by those I betrayed, and loathed by those I guided into betrayal. I have brought a Warmaster to the Truth, and cracked the galaxy’s vaults to speed his armies. I have burned worlds, and been burned by them, and who thanks me for this? This rebellion does not even bear my name – it bears the title of the scorpion I stayed closest to, the most dangerous of the breed who will ever live. They hate me, not because of what I am, but because of what they were. They hate me because they turned, and I did not. The records of our enemies call us all turncoats, but I changed no allegiance. I was always here, just as I am now, aware of myself and the universe that made me. I lied with every breath I ever took, except to myself. That is purity, of a kind, and something that no other soul in this grand armada of renegades can boast. Any other villains who admit they did it for the lolz?
The emperor would've killed all of them anyway.
>>729397270Wait until you hear about Corvus Corax...
>>729397498>LorgarHe's was a lost cause like Angron, he was groomed from the start to eventually fall. It also doesn't help the dude who most likely raped him and Erebus was in his ear the whole time
Lion goes even even more lol wut now that he returned.Warptravel by xeno forest faires? Right, why not.
>>729397659What about Iron Hands, with his iron hands, primarch of the Iron Hands?
>>729397581Alpharius did betray the Emperor even if he doesn't believe he did, for he fundamentally misunderstood the Emperor due to his own arrogance. The Emperor would never choose to forsake mankind even if it meant the defeat of the Chaos Gods.
>>729397768Umm Ackxually his hands are made of necrodermis!
>>729397381You can't help wondering how Dark Angels would've turned had Luther not stuck around. Yeah, he was the humanizing factor next to autistic Lion, but he was also a once in a century hero now forced to play second fiddle to a Primarch. Amusingly, his storyline might be more interesting in 40k era if they don't fuck it up.
>>729397498>Perturabo own pettiness and inferiority complex.To be fair, this one was on the Emperor. Perty was still just a man, and Big E rode him off a cliff. You can claim Perty always seemed stoic and unflappable but you have to pet your dog at least once it its life to keep it loyal. Big E just did not understand how a man, as opposed to Humanity, worked.
>Angron jobbed tons of time>Meanwhile fulgrim is undefeatedProof that Slaanesh>Kh*rne
>>729397964What ever reason they would come up with is still better then the them doing the "are they or are they not traitors" shit they went with.
Primarch Blood-red of the Blood Angels who are red.orPrimarch Optimistic whose death inflicted the Black Rage on his sons.or (Archaic)Primarch Bloodthirsty of the Blood Angels and their Successor chapter the Blood Drinkers. Did I mention they're vampire themed? Also Black Rage.Is it the only clever Primarch name?
>>729398112>Meanwhile fulgrim is undefeatedNot by that sword demon dick
>find the compliance meta early>everybody hates him for it>have to turn him insane to nerf him
Why isn't there one good eldar book
>>729397986Perturabo never actually communicated any of his issues, never asked for better treatment and always assumed everybody was against him.If he said he to the Emperor that he was tired of endless siege wars and wanted to do something more meaningful the Emperor would probably have humored him, since he understood that some mans need recognition.Instead he just kept putting up with everything, believing it to be a sign of his won strength, until it reached boiling point and he destroyed everything in his own rage.
>>729380503Sanguinius should've been warmaster!
>>729398210No one can beat the dick. Eldar tried beating (their) dicks for millennia and instead they formed a dick-god that ate their souls.
>>729398112Fulgrim got RAPED and GAPED by his entire first companyKWAB
>>729398454The funny thing is Felgrum almost did several times. He even almost killed Horus before Eidolon gave him back the sword before he can give the order
>>729398397They are not space marines.
>If you don't write any Horus Heresy Books then the backstory of the biggest event in the series is never explained in any sense and is just had>If you do explain it all the reasons that are given for the primarchs that go traitor are legitimately fucking stupid and make 0 sense solely because of what the emperor could do instead of WHAT HE DIDWhats the best thing?
>>729398397nobody cares about Eldar thoughtever
>>729397964I don't know. Old Lion is too chill.
>>729398607Which Chaos Primarch did not deserve their fate and why is it Fulgrim?Magnus is a hard second, and maybe Horus after that, but man some of those Chaos Primarch just got fucked hard with no lube.
>>729398601FAGrim also got deleted by CHADakai Khan
>>729398426Have they "explained" why he had wings?
>>729398716Not Chaos, but Konrad. Guy landed on Gotham City the planet on super steroids, as a baby. He never had a chance.
>>729398423It is still on the Emperor, as a leader, to lead men. Application of the most basic elements of leadership skills would have ensured Perturabo's loyalty. Recognition and rewards for your high earners is taught as one of the most foundational aspects of being in a leadership role. Men will literally fight and die for a ribbon that shows they are a good soldier. Perturabo's story is meant to drive home that it wasn't just the Emperor's failings as a Godhead, Father or Man but also very much as an Emperor.
>>729398426I liked how the most perfect Primarch was also the most human. Reminder that Sanguinious ALMOST gave in to temptation because Chaos was fooling his ass promising they would fix the Blood Angels geneseed flaw. He had to get slapped by one of his own men to come to his senses.
>>729396630Anon, you wouldn't need to kill the navigators. Their family lines require selective breeding just to remain that way. It's a problem that solves itself if left alone.
>>729398716In reality Fulgrim would never fall which is why the plot bullshit was needed to make it happen. He may have his issues but he's way to loyal for it to go any other way except rape
>>729392452The empire is fucking loosely held together, each world is literally allowed to do whatever they want so long as the tithe is paid
>>729398426>>729398913in lion heresy fan scenario, sanguinius fell to chaos and is khorne's greatest soldier.
>>729398913Wish that Magnus had a son that was willing to do that.
>>729398913But when Magnus sacrificed himself to chaos for his sons he's the bad guy??
>>729395429>Tanked an Exterminatus with nothing but his armor>Survived on a dead world for 10,000 years>Tricked his traitorous father >Poured fleshmelting viruses into his faceRylanor was based as hell.
>>729398768He was literally a mutant, dude.
>>729399043Considering that he betrayed the Emperor, doomed mankind and has yet to save his sons, I'd say yes.
>>729398768just a mutation that happened to be fortunate enough to look like angel wings aka useful in propaganda
>>729397205That was a awful read, holy shit.
>>729399145Wasn't the actually reason is that it makes him flying look less retarded because he actually doesn't need the wings?
>>729398426>>729398913>>729398989>>729399145>has a pretty boy reputation>which makes everyone forget dude's a fucking BEAST on the battlefield
>>729399182The book or the narrator for this specific monologue?
>>729399156>Telling the emperor about the heresy is betraying himLolLmao evenMaybe if the emperor had EXPLAINED HIMSELF this could've been avoided
>>729399272>Turns Angron into a crying BITCH
>>729397986The goth girl on top right looks chill, like she can still be saved. I would try.
I wish Sanguinus was alive and the dogshit lion was dead
>>729393126>buzzword buzzword buzzwordBack to /trannyg/ with you
>Caliban Dark Angles>"Why did the Lion lose faith in us?">his right hand man almost got him killed on purpose and holds more sway over the people then Lion>His most Loyal retard keeps hiding secrets like how his second in-command almost got Lion killed>One of his most high ranking retards keeps questioning everything the Lion does even when he's right 95% of the timeI want to blame the Lion but it's just bad luck he got stuck with some of the biggest retards
>>729396796>literally 'would you still love me if i was a slug' girlI still would
>>729397986I can't tell if Curze had the right idea or not when he AN HERO'd himself out of the story.
>>729399295The narration.
>>729399397nope. that one didn't need any chaos influence to go mad
Why the fuck isn't Erebus warmaster of chaos instead of fucking abaddon
Why do traitor legions in dreadnoughts become based
What's with all the shilling the past 2 years for Dark Eldar from Games Workshop when they've yet to give them a refresh of models?
>>729399535I wouldn't know because I haven't read the book its from, so what do you particularly hate about it?
>>729380915Monarchia was an actual punishment the emperor told lorgar to cut it out multiple times and if he let him keep at it it might have caused a civil war. He had to be secretive because telling anyone about the webway could have resulted in disaster. Magnus is a fucktard whose pride ruined everything. The emperor and Malcador didn’t see fulgrim while he was being corrupted
Its been 40 years of marine wank
>>729380915>mortarionMortarion and Magnus are the only 2 that are redeemable.
>>729399525the missing primarchs already proved he was right so his whole point about being vindicated was odd
>>729399397>The goth girl on top right looks chill
>>729399645Loyalists from traitor legions are some of the best characters.
>>729395978The writers basically had a group of "perpetuals", humans that are immortal like the bigE, plus their assorted hang-on of misfit trample through half of the HH books and causing women moments.
>>729399486Not a single word was disputed.
>>729399614>warmaster>a word bearer
>>729399525konrad curze really made all the worst decisions. one of his sons even calls him out on it by outright saying "what else did you even try?" when the whole keeping the world in check through fear routine fell apart after he left.
>>729399525He did it because he refused to go against his own future vision, since he believed that fate as set in stone. But that was just an excuse so he wouldn't need to take accountability for his own actions.He could easily defeated the assassin, but if he did it than it would mean that the future is mutable (correct assumption) and free will does exist, which means he is responsible for all the bullshit he did his whole life and he could have been different, and he couldn't bear that.TLDR: he was not based.
>>729398913>Religion is LE BAD>Also here is my literal archangel son lol
I dove down the 40k lore rabbit hole a while ago and from what I can gather, Magnus is why everything went to shit. His fuck up is what really damned the imperium and Emperor.
>>729399614Word bearers aren't the masters of anything except jobbing.
>>729380503>MagnusKeep his name outta your mouth.
>>729399525Curze was a emo fag. At least Angron had an excuse.
>>729399951He made she way worse by destroying the webway project and the golden throne but ultimately it was Lorgar who fucked everything up
>>729400036He's a fucking retard that damned the human race.
>>729400104But enough about the emperor!
>>729400065If Magnus hadn't of done what he did, Big E would have been able to put down the heresy and not get turned into a zombie in a chair in the process.
>>729400124He just kicked a door in to help his bros
>>729380503This thread has DISAPPOINTED me.
>>729400036Why isn't he ever shown to be some unholy blob of mutated flesh like everything else that chooses to follow Tzeentch?
>>729399779Come on, she is not so bad. There are worse femarchs to pick.
I’m only interested in the tau guy who broke from the conditioning
>>729399905That was the whole problem of Curze, he never tried to do things different.He convinced himself that his own future visions were immutable and there was nothing he could do, but that was just an excuse to never take responsibility for his ow actions.He always whined about how he had no choice, how his way was the only one and nothing else would work, but his own brothers tried doing things in a better way (with less terrorist) and succeeded, but he still would refused to acknowledge that and said that it was all fake.The truth is that he only knew one way to be but refused to ever take accountability for it.
What's the deal with Malcador? How does one regular human have so much power?
>>729399951The Emperor knew the future and the Heresy was a static point in history and did everything he could to plan and account for it. He made sure Horus was going to be the Chaos Champion by making him Warmaster. He ensured all the worst Primarchs would constitute the traitors. He actually wanted most of the Space Marines to get wiped out in a civil war so they wouldn't pose threat to Humanity in the coming Golden Age. Everything was set up for success. Magnus single-handedly ruined everything with the most retarded move in the history of the Galaxy. Just as planned (lol!).
>relocate humanity HQ to different system>get big E off the chair and let the demons pour in through the webway portal>exterminatus terra
>>729400161Magnus is a huge fuck up amd is to blame for why shit got so bad. But the Heresy even starting was because of Lorgar getting raped by a priest as a kid
>>729400443Kind of accurate. Big E knew some civil war-style conflict was inevitable, but not how it would play out. That's why he kept some "suspicious" Primarchs at arm's length, like Khan. Ironically one of the more sensible Primarchs.
>>729400514Ok, what have you gained by doing this?Remember that you can't move the golden throne btw
>>729400583Wasn't Khan Slaanesh's first pick?
>>729400583you KNOW that fuck has the HU for his theme
>>729400514What I want to know is why they don't just let the emperor die. He's a perpetual. He'll regen and be good as new.
>>729391936Weren't Lorgar's World and Cadia stable chaos-worshipping human societies pre-Imperium?
>>729400443I'm skeptical about the whole "Warmaster was doomed to fall" thing. If the Emperor knew that would happen, there were way better measures he could have took to deal with it, nor there would have been a reason to give the Warmaster nearly limitless authority.
>>729380503
>>729400409He ran an empire a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
>>729400678Malcador was a perpetual and guess what happened after he sat ont he throneAnd also, the emperor that would come back would be twisted by millenias of pain worship and pushing back against chaosThat thing would be a greater threat than the chaos gods
>>729400384You can argue he was right. We know history is pretty much already written with static points across the timeline already set tens of thousands of years in advance, like the birth of Slaneesh or the Heresy. The actions of the Primarchs are static, their choices already set in stone by the fucking Emperor no less. But he didn't have to be a fucking bitch about it and could have tried to work with it to make the universe a better place, kinda like Alpharius(Omegron) attempted to (poorly).
>>729400629I think Tzeentch was the only one who got what he truly wanted in the form of Magnus.
>>729400629Sanguinus was always chaos first choice, Horus bend backwards to try and get Khan onboard for a good part of the heresy story.
>>729400514You do know if do that then you completely cut off warp travel for everyone and leave a fuckton of people trapped in the warp
>>729400678Humanity might be lost in the period he is absent
>>729380915It isn't even any of that, the Emperor banned librarians on purpose so they couldn't predict the Heresy happening. He wanted that shit to happen, he just didn't expect as many primarchs to betray him nor that Magnus would blow up the Webway. So he's just an idiot or this is somehow all still his plan
>>729400946chaos sorcerers can navigate without the astronomican. can't sanctioned psykers and navigators do the same?
>>729380915Half the primarchs were promised to Chaos on Moloch, the Emperor antagonized the shit primarchs on purpose to keep the good ones, but Magnus turning came out of nowhere.
>>729398397Valedor
>>729400583Jaghatai was meant to fall to Slaneesh because he wanted to keep Fulgrim on his side and the Emperor's Children were GOAT. But the Thirsty One likes purple and wouldn't take the bait. Really Big E should have realized he could have planned where the chips would fall just by the Legion colors.
>>729399614Nobody likes Erebus, whereas Abaddon actually had charisma among the legions
>>729399653Anon, Dark Eldar are going to be squatted next. All Eldar are going to be merged into Ynnari the moment the Chaos Space Marines break fully into the Cumrag.
>>729401071Chaos sorcerers can do that because the Warp is essentialy the Chaos Gods turf. Navigators can only do it by using the Astronomican as a point of reference to guide them.
>>729399951I'm skeptical the Webway project would have worked even if Magnus hadn't blown it up
>>729397227Valid point anon, I suppose when shit's that bad there's a 'fuck it' point that you get to, with a healthy dose of spite to top it off. In the hypothetical of everyone being very aware of Chaos, it wouldn't make too much of a difference for process of your average corruption. I think is Horus and the military hierarchy in general knew what was what, then the schemings of Erebus(cunt) and others like him would have fallen short of acheiving what happened in the canon.
>>729380503to think that Imperium of Man was so fuckmassive powerful that they could casually terraform planets purely for the sake of having ground for amazing military parades
>>729401191time to ask cawl is he has trazyn on speed dial for blueprints on the pharos
>>729401163After just giving RPG dev leave to present them more fujobait-y? Doubtful
>>729400945>Horus bend backwards to try and get Khan onboard for a good part of the heresy story.Which is hillarious because he came so fucking close. So close in fact a decent chunk of White Scars cornered Khan and urged him to join Horus. Problem being what >>729400583 said>Ironically one of the more sensible Primarchs.Khan didn't like the Emperor because he was a tyrant, but forced to choose between him and fucking Chaos "gods" that will rape your soul for all eternity while cackling it really was a no-brainer.
>>729401071Yes and no. They can do it with shorter trip legs but it turns crossing the galaxy from a few years into a lifetime's journey.
>>729401289DAOT humanity was far superior. Throwing black holes at eachother kind of tech.
>>729401298I know that back in the Age of Technology they'd use computer of the job of Navigators. I think there is even a Rogue Trader dinasty that still has a working one.
>>729398980There should be more backroom deals with xenos going on if the imperial truth is decentralized lip service
>>729401163>ynnariLiterally every recent lore development the Eldar get involves characters leaving the Ynnari and the Ynnari getting reduced further and further into a fringe death cult. Like just a week ago, Yriel left. Before that it was Jain Zar and Eldrad. Lelith's pretty much gone too. If any faction gets squatted, it's the Ynnari, GW has clearly given up on them. I hope the Visarch leaves too, he's cool.
>>729401298Unless the Emperor himself asked Trazyn to join forces to fight chaos then that's never gonna happn
>>729398980>>729401445The Arbites and Inquisition are what prevents that (the FBI and CIA)
>>729401312>Which is hillarious because he came so fucking close.Alpharius: Not on my watch
The only way to save the galaxy is for everyone to get a hot Eldari gf to breed and make hybrids.
>>729401139Damn, Dark Angels and Salamander for Nurgle and Ultramarines for Tzeentch? The Chaos gods are worse than Lurky and Murky at stealing the colours.
The nekrons deserve to winthey were there first
Chaos won Christmas this year
>>729401591My Warmaster!
>>729401227Yeah, I think the Emperor kinda underestimated how much of an undertaking the Webway project would end up being.
>>729398426Where is my Blood Angels triple a game?
>>729401071>>729400946>>729400514>>729400678Because the Light of the Astronomicon is more than just a beacon that enables distant warp travel. It incinerates the souls of Humanity that the Emperor cannot gather to his corner of the warp. It is one thing to lose Terra, the heart and soul of Humanity. It is entirely another to lose trillions and trillions of human souls to eternal damnation and supercharge the Chaos Gods. The Astronomicon is Humanity's Spirit Stone and the Emperor is our Infinity Circuit. Losing either is simply not an option. This is why everyone in Imperium Nihilus is basically fucking damned right now and the Great Rift is a big fucking deal.
>>729400698>stable chaos-worshippingEver a technicality, the Slaanesh indulgences of the Eldar didn't cause collapse until it did.
>>729401547you're right about the hybrid part
>>729401547>wanting slaneesh to have a claim on your children's soulretard
>>729401643Well it was apparently because he was in a rush, because he didn't anticipate the chaos gods would strike so quickly, according to Malcador. That's kind of silly on his part though. What was he doing for 30,000 years?
>>729401591>I don't care who the High Lord send, I AM NOT PAYING TAXES!My Warmaster!
>I always hated you Xaphen
>>729400223>Tuna Wolves
>>729401163The Ynarri books were a fucking mistake that no Eldar fan likes. No wonder they're trying to get rid of them.
>>729401227>>729401643BigE already did some crazy science revoultion before, and with half the loyal mechanicum NOT busy with getting ripped apart by demons it sounds pretty feasible
>>729400821>USS Lorgar
>>729401824Setting up shit for future use. One of the things he did was trapped the Void Dragon on Mars because he knew eventually it will whisper tech shit to the people there and lead to the creation of the adeptus mechanicus and the belief of the omnissiah
>>729401824much of that was spent fighting skynet then rebuilding humanity
Is he dead or alive? Whose story was canon for Retribution anyway?
>>729402389I'm still waiting for Hairgel to return.
>>729401227He stole everything he needed to know from the Eldar and saw it would work when he went into the warp at Molech to check the future. Not to mention he likely planted that shard of the Void Dragon on Mars to ensure he developed the requisite tech support to pull it off. That's as confident as you can get.
I am forgotten
>>729392728Eisenhorn is a great series as well as the dark coil
>>729402714You should have died instead of Ferrus.
>>729392728I am a big fan of Peter Fehervari's Dark Coil, which is the name given to his 40k books because he's one of those authors that enjoys having his later works reference and build on the stories from his earlier ones. As a result, he's got a small library of 40k short stories (and a few novels) that all tie into eachother to varying degrees, despite being about a bunch of different factions. He's done guard, chaos, space marines, and battle sisters books, all of which I enjoyed. He leans very much into horror, especially in his short stories, many of which are just horror stories told in the 40k universe (Nightfall is a great example of this; it tells the story of a particular Night Lord warband sweeping one of their prospect planets for recruits, and features POVs from the perspectives of both the the terrified populace and the Night Lords themselves). I think he understands Chaos in particular very well, and he's more restrained than some other writers. Fehervari's Chaos is sort of this insidious, nameless, creeping force that manifests in all sorts of different ways. For instance, he never names a Chaos God, ever, instead presenting Chaos primarily through the eyes of characters that don't have the kind of understanding that an inquisitor or space marine might. We the reader might have ideas (one of the recurring settings is very clearly under Nurgle's sway), but the characters themselves have no clue about the particulars. For them, it's just horrifying and dangerous.His other strong suit is Tau. He does a great job of bouncing them off of humanity in interesting ways. He actually changed my opinion on the Tau significantly, he convinced me they have a real niche in the setting. My favorite book of his--and one I'd absolutely recommend as a starting point--is Fire Caste. Guard and Tau POVs, with chaos featuring throughout. It's all his strong suits in one book, and it's his most "traditional" novel. Primarily a guard book, but plenty of Tau too.
>>729402714>mfw Corax was the only Primarch Big E trusted with cloning technology and tech behind creating SMsWas it just desperation or something else?
>>729402714He's one of the last primarchs to come back. I want to know who's the next it's either Leman Russ or since the stroy is currently necron shit it might be the Fulgrim clone
>>729392985Because it was made by troons who created an army of meme spewing tertiaries who shat up everything and is probably why things are shittier now
>>729402610The problem is that it likely would not have been enough. Vulkan himself said that the whatever the Emperor was using to build his section of the Webway was not agreeing with the rest and would more likely not work.As far as I know, the Emperor was not even using the special "magic" minerals that the Webway is made of, and the Eldars collect from the Warp, he was using human made stuff.
>>729402926>and is probably why things are shittier now>David Beckham speaking to Victoria around corner.jpg
>>729402878Corax was both loyal, competent and fundamentally resistant to warp corruption. He is the only Primarch that checks all three (plus the hidden skill check of actually being liked by the autistic Goldboi).
>>729402879>since the stroy is currently necron shit it might be the Fulgrim clonewhat's the connection there?
What the fuck do the women do in the imperium? You never see women.Obviously what they would actually be doing is having to fulfil a mandated breeding number like having 4 kids minimum but GW are probably too cowardly to write that. The useless weak women would obviously need to be squatting out soldiers for the war effort.
>>729403129the clone is in the hands of the necron most likelly to interact positively with humanity
>>729380915Angron's was completely fucking stupid and it made the Emperor look like a retard>Uh no, I'm not going to spare 10 minutes to help you with your revolt that would be over in seconds and would ensure your loyalty. You're coming with me now, so you can hate me forever 95 percent of 30k books are trash. Lorgar was the only one handled well.
>>729395978Originally it was Horus was in a bunker and the emperor was leading an all out attack on it and there were regular soldiers. Over time it was changed to being on the vengeful spirit and the one sacrificing himself was a terminator and then a custodian
>>729402968>Vulkan himselfIs not the Omnisiah. Can you please just fucking accept that when it came to technology, and technology alone, the Emperor knew what he was doing? Not having faith in Him is what caused this whole mess.
>>729402878Remember when in his backstory Corax nuked planet Kiavahr to get it to capitulate, while fully aware of what he was doing to realize his goal? Emperor took notice and realized Corax doesn't fuck around because he was willing to bear the burden if it meant advancing his plans. That whole depressed edgelord thing came much later when dude got thoroughly broken.
>>729403129Fabius Bile set the clone up to be captured by Trazyn after he realized that the clone would just end up being just like pre-corrupted Fulgrim but with an extra hate boner for Chaos and his original self
>>729395953Where is this from who said this
>>729403228oh guessing you mean that Trayzn fella.Haven't read much necron stuff, im on with The Silent King now then ill go for the Twice Dead King ones. Are there any other new-era necron books I should know about? In fact I might have to go back a bit further because I've read nowt about crons since they changed their lore and made them dynastic egyptians or whatever
>>729403283>Can you please just fucking accept that when it came to technology, and technology alone, the Emperor knew what he was doing?People tend to overlook Big E was foremost a scientist, and then everything else.
>>729402968Vulkan also can't tell the warp from his arse end, and is pretty happy about that. Most eldar construction is purely psychic, having BigE or Magus control the Throne or one of the DarkGlass copies while not busy holding back half the warp could fixed that up easily
>>729403505Honestly his true self just wants to chill and read books.
>>729396780Post models you reddit browsing secondary
>>729403724He needed a GF
>>729400583Here's what one of the BL authors said about the Emperor expecting the Heresy to happen>8) Instead of risking an unpredictable rebellion, I will engineer a smaller one. I know, I'll put Primarch XVI in charge of the others - he's popular, and ambitious, and smart. He'll figure out what I'm doing, and I've given him everything he needs to rebel in a manageable way, AND gotten rid of the psykers in the Legions who might have been able to foresee it. There's no way this can all go wrong, especially because I abolished all religion and any possible interaction with those DARK GODS that I tricked earlier...>Leave Great Crusade, start work on the webway.>FFS, MAGNUS. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? THIS WAS ALL CAREFULLY BALANCED, YOU DINGUS. Russ, go and fetch Magnus. What an idiot. I need to explain my secret plan to him. Hope that doesn't mess with the whole Horus thing... anyway, I need to deal with this. Dorn, Malcador, hold my calls while I go back downstairs. Sigh, daemons everywhere...>Wait, WHAT? I've been in another realm, unable to monitor the actions of my underlings, and you've all completely thrown this plan down the toilet. Right, I'll fix this. Let's just wait for Horus and his... four, five... NINE?!... traitor Legions to come here. It's fine, I can still have a glorious death, Chaos is now quite clearly the biggest danger to all sentient life, and humanity will do pretty much anything I say.>Deal with Horus. Hey Malcador, hold my beer...He apparently only expected around four primarchs to betray him, including Horus. Kind of silly of him
>>729397986Bro he was always a cunt literally the first thing he did when taking command of his legion was order them to be decimated for losing some battles
>>729400678Nobody has any idea about that, and frankly neither do we, since we don't what exactly the Emperor's state is
>>729399656you know how when you hear a really bad dub and it sounds like someone is reading instead of acting? It's like that.
>>729403183What are you talking about, there's an entire faction comprised of women warriors.
>>729400821sex with vodka botes
>>729404138And they make up what, 0.00001% of the human woman population.What are the rest doing?
>>729403283personally, I like the theory that he's a weapon left over from the Old Ones, whose purpose is to enact the Total Chaos Death in the long-run
>>729404368No worries, some BL author has a snore piece about proud female afrik armorsmith riding her final product into the terran siege etc. etc.We just not give a shit about it, so we won't repeat it much here
>>729399804>Be Lucius the Eternal>Almost become legendary making Horus' forces bleed for Istvaan>Claim faggotry from the jaws of glorious death
>>729399895>Be Word Bearer>Claim emperor is a god>Get humbled by your spiritual liege>Go full chaos>Every other legion more favored than you>Get clowned on whole heresy>Finally kill Emperor>Listen to broadcast>Imperium praises the god emperor of mankindmfw
>>729396969He's called after some drunk fuck called angry Ron in the pub the Warhammer people used to frequent in Edinburgh or something
>Emperor the fedora tippin atheist wins>Imperium collapses>IRL the Fedora tipping atheists win>Western civilization collapsesCoincidence? unlikely
>>729380503why is that one guy on the left so stinky?
>>729400049Some legions were basically chaos raiders from their inception, but Curze had to be the only one to make his legion almost entirely out of condemned criminals.
isn't it time for mortarion to be redeemed
>>729400514It won't work.The potential for Big E becoming another Chaos God is extremely high, he is a perpetual and the chair is not keeping him alive, it's keeping him from dying. If he dies, he will resurrect and that will of course cause the destruction of Terra because the webway gate will be opened allowing the demons in, BUT in order for big E to ressurrect after 10,000 years, trillions of souls worshipping him powering him up his new form could unironically be more disasterous than the birth of Slaanesh whose birth caused the original rip in the galaxy that opened the Eye of Terror along with ripping out the souls of almost all Aeldari.Big E could willingly or unwillingly rip out most souls from humanity in his rebirth into a God. The thing is, we don't know BUT it is a possibility and that alone is enough to not allow him to resurrect.
>>729405746I need that excerpt of a bunch of 40k WE hearing someone say 'god-emperor' for the first time and finding it so hilarious that Lorgar won that they start vomiting blood from laughing so hard.
>>729405990Came from a stinky fart gas planet that was so stinky you couldnt climb a hill without dying in the stinky fart gas clouds.
I like Alpharius.Do you like Alpharius?
>>729406265‘The God-Emperor,’ I finally managed to say. There have been many times in my life since then that I have cursed that title or cringed at hearing it cried by His deluded followers. But that day, damn me for my naïvety, I was laughing with Telemachon. A cruel, spurned mirth, not the amusement of the victor but the bleak joy of the beaten. That laughter was a purging, like shedding an uncomfortable sheath of skin.‘Much of the Imperium already adheres to the word of the sect as gospel,’ Moriana continued. ‘The Temple of the Emperor Saviour has a far wider reach and deeper roots than the petty cults that flowered during your rebellion. The Lectitio Divinitatus was a child’s bedtime candle compared to the sunlight of the beliefs now gripping the Imperium.’All these thousands of years later, deep in what scholars name the Dark Millennium, the Ecclesiarchy grips the whole Imperium in an inviolate hold. Moriana spoke of its rise as an inexorable ascension, only a handful of centuries before its formal, final adoption as the Imperial Creed, backbone of the Adeptus Ministorum, state religion of the Imperium of Man.And all of it, all of it, founded from the very beliefs that the Emperor had sought to destroy.Just as the Emperor had been betrayed by His sons, so too had the fool been betrayed by His own empire. Blind and rudderless without its monarch to guide it, the Imperium was devolving into superstitions and half-truths. No wonder we were already close to being myths.‘The Word Bearers won.’ Telemachon was on his hands and knees in the dust, blood trickling from his unmoving silver mouth. He laughed and heaved and vomited and laughed, speaking between dragged breaths and violent convulsions. ‘The Word Bearers won. They eat dirt and drink shame. They chant prayers to the unwanted truth through bloodied lips. They lost everything. And yet they still won.’
>>729401591Patron Saint of Tax Evasion
>>729402389A bit of all.Eliphas kills ThuleTyrannids kill MarrickEldar get Taldeer's soulstoneInquisitor stops the ExterminatusOrks krump a bunch of everyoneSpace Marine ending is canonetc.
>>729403089So was Girlyman
>>729406857thx bro <3
>>729406737https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VnZgg5EZes
Tell me about the SistersAre they cool, have cool lore and have depth?Or are they just>girls in armor with guns haha
>>729407349Yes and yes.They are girls in armor who love Jesus and have cool lore.
>>729404006And it worked.
>>729403183Die in the Imperial GuardGet killed by Grey Knights to purify their armorGet their soul eaten by the golden throneBecome daemonculaba to birth chaos space marinesDie in gang wars in necromundaAbuse inquisitorial power to bully cute Commissars centuries their juniorExplode into a warp rift damning a planet to chaosreplacing their woman bits with a toastergetting all their limbs cut off to pilot a god machinegetting sacrificed by word bearersbeing purged for birthing a mutant childgetting impregnated by genstealersbeing sterilized by Taubeing eaten by tyrannidsbeing enslaved by orkskilled by autistic eldar PathfindersBeing a failure Rogue Traderbeing groomed by nurgle priestsjoining death cults and drinking their child's bloodSurviving everything only to come home and learn their husband got themselves shot like an idiot for attacking an enforcer during a routine biocheck.
>>729406737We are all Alpharius, so what isn't there to like.
>>729404095Well, it's audio taken from the audiobook, so he is reading it.
>>729407301>>729407773https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxMQGvVMnY
>>729406737I prefer Omegon because I am Alpharius
>>729407689What’s the warp rift, nurgle preists, and child blood drinking referencing
>>729407851That’s impossible because I am alpharius
>>729408101>Warp riftAny unsanctioned Psyker>Nurgle PriestIncendia Chorda was brainwashed by a dogmatic ecclesiarch priest that was unknowingly falling to Nurgle.>Child blood drinkingDeath Cult Assassins
>>729407851>>729408167No! I AM ALPHARIUS
>>729408101last two likely RT cRPG and some novel had a nice PoV description of a slumgirl becoming an enslaver portal
Luna Wolves don’t get enough shit
Are the space shark books any good? I've always enjoyed the idea of the one of the most grimdark space marine chapters being one of the most loyal ones.
>>729407689Don't forget some get turned into servitors, some even have special purpose, like the servitor women on Dargonus.
>>729406451ewww wtf why let a guy like that into your cool guy squad?
>>729407204Rowboat is not super-resistant to Chaos Corruption as one of his gifts. And for all his apparent loyalty and competence, the Emperor seemingly never really considered him absolutely loyal or supremely competent. He just considered Robot a very useful tool but never a confident, a leader, a warrior or philosopher that actually understood His purpose and vision. Just an administrator He could safely leave the unwanted and undesirable task of actually administrating the Crusade and eventually the Imperium. He had no greater plan or purpose for Robo.Really the Emperor's underestimation and lack of confidence in Gorillaman was just as much one of his major flaws as putting too much faith in those that betrayed him. Rusty was a good boi and actually deserved better.
>>729400049>>729400238Is there more of these?
Hello 40k fans, /lcg/ here. We're getting a new thing to rollslop for in our Gacha trash game.A lot of people's first reaction was "le space marine" and "boltgun!??!" but I'd like to know your opinion, would you rank the following as closer to:Kasrkin with HellgunsArbitrator Squad with ShotgunsTempestus Scions with Boltersor do you also think "Space Marines"?What's the closest to 40k faction for this picture?
>>729408546He could tank the fart gas almost to the top of a mountain
Space Wolves are so fucking gay. I wish they got wiped out.
>>729408941>>>/tg/
>>729403417He decimate his own legion as hard as Pert or Lorgar, btw. He just wasn't as fucking wasteful about it and send them on forlorn hopes
>>729408929Yes, just search for femarchs. Who is your favorite woman primarch?
>>729408941Can we get some CONTEXT first? How are we supposed to know how augmented these people are with just a picture? If they're normal humans then Tempestus Scions or Sororitas would be the closest fit.
>>729409081The Horus Heresy taught us that they actually became less faggy after their Primarch disappeared.>>729409126>Who is your favorite woman primarch?Femgar Aurelian for giant sister of battle mommy.
>>729408929Also because everybody is bully towards Magnus - you wouldn't bully the nerd if she was a girl.
>>729409126Sanguinius I guess? Fulgrims gonna be hot too though
>>729409016that's not cool like I wouldn't wanna be friends with a guy who's like "look at me I can swim in the piss and shit lake!"
>>729409167Pious religious girls your type, huh?
>>729408941>female soldier being stupid for attentionFits the Geno Chilliads from the "Legion" book but those is more 30k than 40k
>>729409126>>729409190>>729409347Which Primarch has the biggest tiddies?
>>729409194Pretty basic taste, to be honest.
>>729409450I'm aware. Noting wrong with the basics though. Alpharius is pretty cool though. And Lion of course
>>729408526I’ve read a couple and yeah there pretty good
>>729380503The only thing Magnus did wrong was was refusing Big E's offer of a second chance and new Legion.Besides that, Magnus did nothing wrong and was constantly wronged.
>>729409151They are heavily augmented, the weakest people in the setting are baseline humans, the next weakest are augmented and can swing Evicerator chainsword sized weapons like a toy.They have guns that can turn people into giblets but conversely are disallowed from being able to pierce walls or metal armor an inch thick.However they are allowed to shatter those walls and armor with the bullet, as long as the bullet fails to penetrate the target after.Guns are so limited (legally, not technologically) in setting but make up for it with magic bullshit that its hard to rank how powerful they are in other settings.For example people in setting can easily deflect automatic weapons fire with swords but it's hard to rank the feat because of the in-universe legal nerfs to guns.High level characters can basically flash step and fight along vertical surfaces, this character is not on that level but is on the higher end. Elite mook basically.
>>729409398She does wear her mask in combat. Also she fights with both melee and rifle.
>>729409804Well suits do not seem bulky enough for voidtroops, rifle could pass for hellgunsInquisition stormtroops could work
>>729399917That's part of the plan of Big E
>>729409151>>729409398And I guess they fight like this, it's anime bullshit don't expect tactical excellence. Kinda fight like eldar
>>729403283Not saying that the Emperor wouldn't eventually have figured things out, just that the way he was doing it took time he didn't have.He should have shelved the Webway project for later and focused on finishing the Great Crusade.
>>729409435Vulkan maybe.
>>729409347Obviously, she is ideal.
>>729411774>big ashen primarch tiddies
I leave you with this inception so that you too may spout ambiguity to all but a few when next you are inebriated.
>>729409435Maggie is a master biomancer, so she has the capability to have the biggest.
>>729411530The Great Crusade was already essentially finished when he stepped back. The Orks were all but pacified, all the major pockets of humanity had been incorporated, all that was left was a moping up action. The Necrons were not scheduled to awaken for some time, the Eldar were almost allies at this point, Tyranids were not even on the radar yet, Chaos did not yet have any footholds and the major known Xenos threats had been crushed. The Great Crusade itself was now the major threat to Humanity, Astartes built to be angels of war would no longer have a war and demi-gods would inevitably resent being subordinate to the Administratum led by ordinary humans. The solution was to have Legions of psykers replace them, alla the Thunderwarriors. But for that he needed a safe space to raise psykers outside of Choas' influence and also a better way to circumnavigate the Galaxy.It is better to look at what His vision of victory was. Half the Legions would turn traitor, but by then they would be at the farther reaches of the Galaxy and spread out, having been fighting the Great Crusade for another few hundred year. When they turns back towards Terra they would be met with Legions of Primaris Psykers that could quickly appear through the Galaxy through the Webway while the Space Marines were stuck with traditional Warp Travel. The Emperor was so close to achieving this if the Heresy could have been staved off for even a decade or two. He couldn't leave too soon or risk the Warmaster being corrupted before the majority of the Crusade was concluded and he couldn't stay or else his new armies wouldn't be ready to time. Chaos just plain out-maneuvered him but he was so close.
>>729380503I kinda have to agree with John Blanche on his stance with the primarchs, the primarchs shouldn't have returned, even with one primarch it feels like it ruins the fairness in the war of attrition in the galaxy, now there's 2 primarchs and I don't I'm wrong when I think that's enough to get humanity back to it's original state during the great crusadeprimarchs should have stay are myths from a forgotten age, but at the same time I feel like GW could not have had the story continue without one
>>729413748My opinion of what he should have done:Don't burn Monarchia or do the Concil of Nikaea. (So he doesn't alianate Lorgar and Magnus)Personally finish the Great Crusade and fully consolidate the Empirium.Make Guilliman the Warmaster and follow his idea of breaking down the Legions into Chapters. (Assuming the Warmaster isn't doomed to turn traitor)Have the Primarchs directly work under him in the Webway project. (The Primarchs worked the best when the Emperor managed them)
>>729413921Dunno, it was pretty unfeasible that we would not see them back since the demon ones were never actually 'gone', just kept busy or fuming that HE is still on the Throne living or not.
>>729413748>The solution was to have Legions of psykers replace them, alla the Thunderwarriors>Legions of Primaris PsykersI'll admit, I haven't kept up with the lore for a couple years, but is this the new origin of the Grey Knights?
>>729414148>Make Guilliman the Warmaster and follow his idea of breaking down the Legions into chapters. (Assuming the Warmaster is doomed to turn traitor)Girlyman could not have been the Warmaster. It would have caused the civil war right then and there, nor would Roweboat have accepted because he knew it would cause many of his brother to turn traitor since most of them absolutely hated his guts. The Emperor foresaw that the only the only real choice of Warmaster that history presented itself to him in his vision was Sanguinius or Horus. Horus was the safe bet because a Chaos Undivided Sanguinius might have been the Emperor's equal.
>>729414507>Horus was the safe bet because a Chaos Undivided Sanguinius might have been the Emperor's equal.I like the bit of lore that says Horus's first choice for his army were all the primarchs that stayed loyal. The ones he ended up with were the ones he considered the fuck ups.
>>729414507I'm coming from the point where the Emperor doesn't step down and therefore the Warmaster is not that much of an absolute position. Since the Emperor would instead focus on consolidate the Empirium, then Guilliman would have been the best choice to be his 2n in command since he is the best manager amongs his brothers and favors order and stability.
>>729414327No it’s still founded from the knights errant by the emperors orders during the heresy. He did offer magnus the chance to lead it though
>>729414327No but the Grey Knight are pretty much an ad hoc solution comparable to the what the Emperor actually envisioned. Once the civil war was concluded, Legions of Grey Knight equivalent Psyker Primaris would invade the Warp itself and conquer Chaos and finally turn in back into the Sea of Souls.
>>729413921It really isn’t enough though. The imperium and galaxy as a whole is far worse off than it was during the great crusade. Chaos is on an absolute rampage while the necrons and tyranids are launching huge attacks even the tau are about to invade ultramar. Not to mention the amount of chaos primarchs still outnumbers the loyalists even if it’s composed of jobber cucks like Angron
>>729380915The Emperor wanted to end the Astartes after the Webway project is completed in some way like the Thunder Warriors and only keeping Horus, Girlyman, Perturabo, Dorn and Vulkan since they're useful and have real non-combat skillsIt just so happened that Chaos Gods engineered the heresy firstThe biggest plothole however is how he or Malcador did not execute Kor Phaeron and Erebus when they're already Chaos worshippers
>>729414859>founded from the knights errant by the emperors orders during the heresy>The not-yet-spawned "man beside you" would become a grey knight donor
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>>729415024He didn’t want to kill the primarchs and space marines even fuckups like curse and lorgar had a purpose originally but probably were going to be taken behind the woodshed at some point along with their legions. The space marines would have just gradually been phased out as in they would stop making more and allow the rest to die out naturally
I wish Lorgar was completely eradicated. Dude was and is such a fucking loser.
>>729415229Him and his legion. Professional jobbers.
>>729415203*curzr and Angron stupid autocorrect
>>729415203>He didn’t want to kill the primarchsNot all of them at least but most of them yes but he planned to phase out all Space Marines after the Great Crusade is overHis future human is basically a 1/2-3/4 version of him and Malcador; basically Alpha++ human psykers who don't need the Warp anymore for anythingEven more funny is that the Primarchs knew and were told what happened to the Thunder Warriors and were severely traumatized by the undoing of the 2nd and 11th legions they were mindwiped by their own volition
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>>729415303>be competent Wordbearer>get sacrificed or dreadnoughted asap
>>729415303Lorgar, Konrad, and Angron get into a job off with the eldar who wins
Can't wait for my nigga Dorn to come back like all the other Primarchs just so he can be ruined.
Rowboat - doing empire thingsLion - ripping and tearing on the other side of the riftCorax - fucking with Lorgar in the warpKhan - clapping dark Eldar cheeks in the webwayVulkan - presumably healing?Dorn - Schrodinger's primarchWhat the fuck is Russ doing?
>>729415463The Eldar, and somehow they still job.
>>729415428should be perturabo trying to coordinate them while horus actively sabotages his efforts out of spite because he wanted dorn
>>729415392Each primacy was meant to serve a role during peacetime as well such asKonrad was meant to be a judge and lorgar meant to be a propagandist
>>729415504He is apparently looking for the tree of life to bring the emperor some fruit to heal with
>>729415428>Muted AngronFucking kek
>>729415504In the Warp, trying to find the World Tree (Isha) so he can heal the Emperor.
>>729415504Dunno but my money says whatever it is, it will end up annoying the lion accidentally.Still wondering about that rumor that both one loyal and one traitor primach will switch sides.
>>729415504>What the fuck is Russ doing?Some giga faggot time wasting shit hat he'll justify by insulting everyone else and saying he did it for Big E and humanity or some other retarded shit.
>>729415024What do you think an Emperor-Victory 40k would have looked like?He probably would have foresaw the beast or not have let it ever reach that point.Not being on the Throne might have avoided the Tyrranids coming but perhaps not.Then you'd have Necrons but a Psychic humanity by that point might have been equal to peak Eldar...So how do you think a Psychic Enlightened Imperium with no Space Marines would handle>Ork Holdouts>Tyrranid Broods>Chaos remnants/surges>Dark Eldar Enclaves>Necron Mass Awakening?
>>729415735Mortarion might switch sides considering he completely hates chaos and was basically forced to serve nurgle
>>729415735redeemed mortarion is pretty much guaranteed
>>729415735Clone Fulgrim goes loyal.Mutated Corax goes chaos.
>>729415835Kill them all the only real threat at that point would be the necrons and even then they would probably do a better job than the kekdar
>>729415884Can't see any of the loyal Primarchs switching sides though, since they all hate Chaos with a passion.
>>729415884Rowboat would never accept that after what he did to ultramar.
>>729415428I always chuckle when my gaze falls on Perturabo's email spam.
>>729409623I reading right after the part where Russ gave him the warning to end shit peacefully. Instead of doing that, he sat in his room crying like a bitch while everyone around him was dying
>>729415835Malcador and the Emperor are one of the best psykers in the galaxy, their future human who will be at least half their power would mog all known threats in the galaxyThe Necrons woke up 'early' thanks to the Tyranids, by the time of their actual scheduled wake-up the Imperium at this point would be greater or equal to peak Eldar empire
>>729415947khan will turn traitor just to ride drukhari reavers
>>729415884They nuked loyalists from traitor legionsThey're never going to switch PrimarchsThey will remain loyalist and Chaos to the very end
>>729415964Guilliman himself said that none of the traitor Primarchs was beyond redemption while he was possessed by the Emperor and proceeded to kick Mortarion ass back to Nurgle.
>>729416118>Kill millions of Space Marines and Imperial Guardsmen immediately upon your betrayal >Cause a civil war responsible for thousands of years of death and destruction and suffering>All will be forgiven teehee >Fucking kids am I right?Yeah that’s the shitty writing I expect
Lorgar did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>729416358...besides not breaking a certain neck after his wake over Monarchia
>>729416301Space Marines are replaceable, Primarchs are not. Plus with Mortarion back in their side Chaos would lose an powerful piece and they could potentially get his Legion back too.
>>729416358Of all the retarded Primarchs to defend you pick him?
>>729416472Traitor apologists are retarded. More news at 11
>>729416358He's tied with Angron for most retarded.
>>729416472I'd defend him if he was a she and cute instead
>>729416465the death guard would just follow typhus and the others would kill themselves the second they lost the chaos powers dulling the absolute rotten state of their bodies
>>729380503Angron got played by big E
>>729416689> Tied with the guy who essentially got lobotomized.That's sad.
I fucking hate google images...>Yes this file is fucking HUGE>sure let me download the thumbnail for you!fucking jeets.
>>729392042Chaos is more diverse desu
>>729416819Kind of sad how many people IRL would basically fall to chaos immediately
>>729416472I mean he was molested by a priest
>>729416791>Lorgar AURELIANI’d be insulted if I were Aurelian desu
>>729416301Mortarion and Angron were not CHAOSED of their own free will, they were forced into it. A case could be made for Magnus as well, as he made his choice under false pretenses.
>>729416791lol do the other have pt2 versions too?
>>729416867only because theyre not united under one strong religion that teaches them to reject chaos
>>729417041No because I only acquired that one through the power of SEARCH ENGINESTry it sometime.
>>729417083This is how you get people yelling "skulls for the golden throne! blood for the god-emperor!"Slippery slope nothing, this is a lubed up water-slide.
>>729417150My zealot is 100 percent anyi chaos I'll have you know. At the very least he is closer to the God Emperor than that freakish mutant witch he keeps getting teamed up with.
>>729416867>would
>>729396975The Lion would like to have a word.
>>729418498At least the Lion has the maturity to realize he used to be a retarded and now tries to do things different.Lorgar in other hand doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on everything wrong in his life.
>>729418648His power nap really does seem to have mellowed him out.
>>729380915In a better world where I have complete control over 40k lore, I'd be ok with BiggE being both a super intelligent demigod ruler and somewhat a flawed moron, I'd just get rid of all of the "I planned this all along."
>>729380915Compared to guaranteed victory future sight given to some characters (like in Worm or Dune), the future sight the Emperor and Malcador have seems to be more probabilistic. Possible futures, but not everything is known how to get there. Seeing the future blinds you to the present.
>>729415735>Still wondering about that rumor that both one loyal and one traitor primach will switch sidesI know it's cliche but Curze would be the only traitor Primarch that it would make sense to try to redeem. If he realized that his visions could be changed/prevented, I feel like he'd have no choice but to kill himself but only after killing the rest of the traitors. Unfortunately, he's dead and no other traitor Primarch fits as well as him. Not even Mortarion.
Do you lads collect JOYTOYs?
>>729419775if they weren't $100+ then maybe
>>729419775Negative, but I do have an ever growing pile of Grey shame.
Which youtubers are worth looking into for lore and which ones should be avoided?
>>729420265none of themall of them
>>729420429this
>>729417041
>>729420265Majorkill and KrakDuk if you're a normie.
>>729407851I wonder how many legionnaires larp as Omegon instead
>>729418463At least there's a cure
>>729380915always makes me wonder what primarchs II and XI did if full on heretical religious worship only got lorgar's homeworld erased and the emperor was open to letting horus live up until he killed sanguinius
>>729421773Eldar prostitutes.
>>729421773One of them died a very embarrassing death, the other painted his legion orange
>>729422096What's wrong with that?
someone post the rule 63s
>>729396134That's just the trajectory of learning about 40k lore in general.>Oh, sounds neat.>Wow, so much backstory and shit.>This is awesome.>Wait, that is like an entry level problem that the supposedly super-genius character didn't forsee/attempt to rectify.>You know, these characters are starting to feel really fucking lame.>I think I'm done with this setting now.
>>729422767just don't read the booksbut always remember"It is also a hammer."
>>729422767avoid this by not touching the horus heresy books and primarch books in general
>>729422716The Emperor knew that man was not yet ready for Eldussy.
>>729423109Can Guilliman handle it?
>>729423109Now I think about it the lack opf eldar porn is odd
>>729424542>Archon of FleshGood artist. Is he still on self imposed exile?
>>729392728the last church
>>729396796fish actually
>>729420265I tried getting into Luentin earlier this year but I found him to be worthless and annoying. How can anyone stand listening to his ugly nasally voice for more than a minute?
>>729399397she did nothing wrong
>>729400049he was too doomerpilled
>>729424713No idea. Source is 4chan.org
>>729425298Pity.
>>729425357Just google him youself and find out bro
>>729425520Please... I'm not THAT interested.
>>729425594>Archon of FleshI did it for you, he's active on reddit and seems like he's into Turkish stuff now. Creating fan fiction about some bullshit. idk it kinda gave me the horn a little so I might read his bullshit
>>729380915Nah, Logar is the only primarch that was rotten to the core. Even Angron had a hope but Logar was given the exact way chaos is and works with no lies or strings attached and he embrased it. All because he needed something to blame for his flaws.
>>729399525He absolutely had the right idea, because he had been proven correct about everything. The Emperor's dream was dead since the very beginning. The only things left for him were to either fight forever a pointless war that would never end or become a chaos stooge. He chose to die.
>>729421595Alpharius would know but I won't tell you because I'm actually Omegon
>>729425651Wasted.
>>729425220Tell that to the children she skinned.
>>729426104Clearly not enough had been skinned, since you're still talking here.
>>729425972Indeed. Its a shame, I wonder why people were bullying him?
>>729399905>one of his sons even calls him out on it by outright saying "what else did you even try?"Sevatar really was too good for Night Lords.
>>729426236Because he didn't cuck down to the mob (at first).
>>729426365I find is odd that people want to be celebritys and shit. Why would you want that level of public scrutiny? It is indeed just a mob, people don't want to not be bullied, they want to be bullies.
>>729426327What did even happen to him?
>>729426490Fuck if I know.
>>729409623That deal was total bullshit & Magnus had every right to refuse it. Hell I’d go as far to say is it was the only honourable answer in that situation.The drivel Vulkan was spewing was completely two faced. There is no way in hell ANY primarch let alone him of all people would’ve said yes to that shit. It's completely absurd to think he would’ve gone ahead with the extermination of his remaining sons when they were quite literally the only reason he was still alive to make the journey back to Terra as a neutral party. Let alone expecting him to go ahead with a 2.0 version of them (Grey Knights)Vulkan crying about the ritual is absurd given everyone involved was a volunteer. Let alone all the shit papa E & him of all people have done in the past. Or his decisions following extermination by the crypto traitor.He was 100% setup to fall with that, pushed again & again in no one situations. I’m glad he kicked their asses for pulling this stunt.
>>729426601died during the siege of terra
>>729399525People forget Curze was legitimately a mental case. Especially towards his death.
>>729396134Your power scaling jerk off doesn't matter when the chaos gods are involved
>>729419207Depending on how you would view a “switch” with the good & bad of HH writing.>Clongrim was implied to have fulgrims soul untouched by chaos after his body was snatched by his sword. BUT they’ve retconned this with him succumbing off screen while in the portrait. So he’s literally soulless at the moment.>Magnus the fan favourite to switch for decades has been actively sabotaged by writers by making it a point to have all is neutral- good shards of his soul being used up, destroyed, or absorbed by others.>Mortarian while B.E saying theirs still a chance, let’s be real here for a second he gladly joined in on exterminating his loyal sons & was 100% down on betraying everyone again with the khan for a potential 3 way civil war.>Anger & yogurt are to deep in the sauce to pull out.Alpharious Omegon (Whose actually no jokes here Alpharious, pretending to be Omegon whose pretending to be Alpharious again ) whose completely out of actionWhich leave Perty, which from everything we’ve seen has both chilled out & become a better father. Will he be a loyalist, god no but neutral probably.Also I’m banking on the “new” traitor being leman Russ. Already a team killer who ran off so not a stretch.
>>729427801>Clongrim was implied to have fulgrims soul untouched by chaos after his body was snatched by his sword. BUT they’ve retconned this with him succumbing off screen while in the portrait. So he’s literally soulless at the moment.I'm guessing the goal was to bring back Fulgrim as a loyalist Primarch, but, they changed their mind after fan backlash, correct?
>>729380503>like two over here have slim armors while the rest are diesel work-truck wide
>>729427801Fulgrim's soul was revealed to have off screened itself to Chaos in a 2012 short story. Clonegrim was introduced in a 2017 Fabulous Bill novel.Clonegrim's Fulgrim soul was not retconned, although he was shelved and will never come back.
>>729427918>I'm guessing the goal was to bring back Fulgrim as a loyalist Primarch, but, they changed their mind after fan backlash, correct?Incorrect. Clonegrim appears in one book, and the climax of the book implies that he will turn to Chaos just like the original Fulgrim which causes Fabius Bile to pull the plug on his Clonegrim plans, trading him to Trazyn so that he can be never used in 40k again.
>>729419207>>729427801Magnus is an easy choice to switch sides since he's already at odds with his own chaos faction most of the time and doing his own thing. that way TS stay chaos and he simply switches over by himself.On the other side Jagathai I can see as being slowly corrupted over time and honestly a mongol-like chaos faction is a really good fit. WS are not really popular and nothing is really done with them anyway, but as a chaos faction they can be reinvented easily.
>>729428278>Magnus is an easy choice to switch sides since he's already at odds with his own chaos faction most of the time and doing his own thing. that way TS stay chaos and he simply switches over by himself.I think it would be hard to justify narratively considering Magnus was given the opportunity at the height of the Horus Heresy to come home at the cost of his Legion and he told Big E to fuck himself. Just turning him around now would be silly.
>>729428446It would be but if I HAD to pick one out of them to feasibly switch sides it would be him. The rest are too far gone, but Magnus was always a bit weird about his own legion and at odds with Ahriman plus the whole way he got "turned" leaves room to make him a "good guy". plus it's totally a tzentch thing for him to switch sides. plans within plans.
>>729428271>climax of the book implies that he will turn to Chaos just like the original Fulgrim which causes Fabius BileIsn't Fabius Bile a traitor / chaos marine? Why wouldn't he want the clone Fulgrim to fall then?
>>729380915>magnus might not have destroyed the webway project>his mind is connected to the Warp, now everyone knows the plan
>>729428750Fabulous Bill doesn't like the Chaos gods any more than he likes the Imperium. He thinks Fulgrim fucked up by selling the Emperor's Children to Slaanesh and ideally Clonegrim would lead the Emperor's Children into a future that didn't involve being worthlessly degenerate fucks.At the climax of Clonelord, Clonegrim is reunited with a large quantity of Emperor's Children and Fabulous Bill sees the same arrogant glint in his eye that led Fulgrim to walking the path of Chaos and he says "fuck it I'm out."
>>729428750William is one of those "I'm not really aligned with chaos I'm just misunderstood and use it as a tool" copers. He has no love for the imperium but doesn't hate it as Huron or Abbadon do. He also made it a project to surpass the emperor with genetic tinkering and has cloned a primarch before (Horus). He also liked Fulgrim and was not a fan of him becoming a demon primarch.
>>729428278The writers have made it a point time & time again to literally kill off his better selves to fuel the crimson king portion of his soul. Even though Everyone wants him to flip GW have made it an effort to stamp this out.Jag would be cool to turn traitor, but I couldn’t imagine him falling to chaos especially with his ending tied with the dark Eldar. >>729428614With the version that remains there’s no way back. Especially after that dogshit last minute deal, that shit was down right evil. It’s completely absurd to think anyone let alone Magnus of all people would’ve accepted something like that.
>>729429032>I couldn’t imagine him falling to chaos especially with his ending tied with the dark Eldar.That's specifically why I could imagine him turning chaos.
>>729429032>better portions of his soulif I'm correctly recalling what Malcador tells him during the Siege of Terra, which causes him to lose his shit and murder Malcador in a rage, the current company line is that there are no good and bad shards of Magnus's soul. Which infuriates Magnus because it means that all the bad stuff he did in pursuit of his soul shards can't be justified by getting back his "goodness".
>>729429195Yeah that’s the retcon, which goes against everything else that’s been setup for years as per usual with HH books…But I was referring the shards following this point that they were collecting like Pokémon. Your thinking of the big one that was shoved into that Luna wolf.
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