The plot is all suffering and futility because the world is just completely destroyed anyway since the writers (the real ones) were so up their own asses that they did not realize that they were convinced that nuking their own world for one whole act of the game was a good idea so they can make the players suffer because art, you see, art is suffering. Life is suffering. It is all a big nihilistic blob of nothing. Look at all these motivated characters who want life to go on like Aline or Renoir, they are all powerless and driven by useless love. Love shackles. You should not have any motivation to save the day and all the friends you made. Just like Final Fantasy 6, except you can't save all your friends through their sidequests in the final act because *they all le died because life is suffering and we need to pass a message*. You see, nu-Emet-Selch guy who just joined your team wants to nuke everything, including the writer's self-insert displaced asian girl in a 19th century french setting, because he is *le suffering* and life is so pointless and unfair because he sacrificed himself trying to save his sister and everything is so pointless and ungrateful. Here, let Guillaume take a picture in a dark room while he directs the game because he is le suffering too atop the small loan of 50 million dollars + grants + tax + free ChatGPT subscription he got for his small indie studio pls understand. But here is a gestral poo poo joke, so you don't kill yourself halfway through the playthrough and get to live enough to vote our promp-generated asset flip into game of the year.Unironically, Avengers is a better story than baby's first marxist depression novel.
>>729380604You have 90% of the industry to look to if you prefer Disney endings
>guy who likes marvel movies hates good writingClassic
>>729380604BronyOP finally played the game he was marketing and realized when everyone laughed at him.
>>729380604>first White man to become an honorary Indian
>>729380716You are so full of shit lol just look what they did to mlp
>all these references to op being a horsefuckerkek
>>729380604The story's central theme is grief. They drive the point so hard that they make you grieve the fake protagonist, even giving you a false hope you can get him back which never happens, because part of grief is accepting the loss and moving on with life.Similarly with the game, just as the painted world is unreal to the Dessendre family so too is the entire game world to us, and you gotta accept that super happy endings aren't possible.
>>729380720That would imply E33 has good writing. Because it does not. It's the classic "im so le sad" thinking it makes up for retarded characters and paper thin worldbuilding. If you found any of the characters charming in anyway there might be something wrong with you.
>>729380920Lol so little is possible in your woke dei representation diversity inclusion constricted world
E33's story is quite literally a much dumber version of Alan Wake 2
>>729380843maybe stop watching cartoons for little girls lol lmao
>>729380920>french media is nihilisticalert the presses
>>729380604Reddit weather: the game
>>729380924>It doesn't have good writing.. unlike marvelOk, next you're gonna post your funkopop collection next to your bottle of 'lent
>escapism BADbravo, guillaume
The story is literally just Attack on Titan
>>729380716Do you mean modern woke Disney?
>>729380986kys nigger>>729380924If you have grief as your central theme then you're going to have a sad story since it's kind of part of it. If you want to criticise the story then at least mention some actual shit like the act 3 plotholes and characters behaving like hypocrites, or lune and sciel getting sidelined after the big maelle/verso reveal.
>>729381151That's what it turned into after I stopped reading it? Man I'm glad I dropped that shit early
>>729380920>you gotta accept that super happy endings aren't possiblet. most exemplar goy
>>729381201>or lune and sciel getting sidelined after the big maelle/verso reveal.No see Lune had to be silent and just glare instead of talking even though that's completely opposite to her character because uhhhhhh
>>729380986>>729381236what the fuck are you even talking aboutyou retards need to read more
>>729381236The context is dealing with grief.When your mom dies you're not getting her back and you gotta accept it.
>>729381151>The story is literally just Attack on TitanThe intro of the game is Attack on Titan. However, the AI gen storyteller degenerates into generic JRPG tropes before fully sloping into shitty family drama at the end.
The French are historically tied to tragic storytelling. It's something they can never shake. and the worst part is, they are bottom tier at it.
>>729381350Kind of an outdated story?
>>729381339Not reading your shitty nu French literature sorry.
>>729380716>RDR1>RDR2>Mass >Mass Effect 3>FFXV>FFVI>Killzone Shadowfall>Callisto Protocol >Assassin's Creed 3>Assassin's Creed Unity>Persona 3This list could actually fill the max limit of three separate posts and beyond, but basically, you're a disingenuous faggot, and you should take a selfie with a shotgun any time now.
The painting theme is basically just>it was all le dream!style of writing. really poor desu.
>>729380920>the painted world is unreal to the Dessendre familyThis is false. They acknowledge the world as real, the beings within as real but for Clea and Renoir, Verso's canvas is a danger to the family so has to be destroyed for their sake. Renoir doesn't want to but he feels its the only way, he even acknowledges what Lune says to him as being true at the end. The good ending was possible but Verso both killed Gustave and denied his own sister's wish, while Aline and Alicia were wracked with grief battling Renoir so the whole world of the canvas loses out to their stubbornness and selfishness.>>729381304Are you talking about Verso's ending? She glares because she knows its over, that the man she was always suspicious of turned out to be their enemy and ends their world. No words or pleas will work on him and she cannot run in to stop him. She is hopelessly powerless so all she can do is stare.
>>729380920>my favorite video essayist on youtube said...gee anon, why not form your own opinion instead of repeating the same normie take ad nauseum
>>729381350The context is being slaved to ultra rich elites and accepting your place as goycattle or human sacrifice.
>>729381440you're not reading anything. you never have
>>729381304Yeah this is actually a really weak part of the story, the fact that Lune doesn't go complete apeshit on Verso after he scammed them into gomagging all of Lumiere is stupid as fuck.
>>729381350I really dont think that applies to modern audiences because kids ditch their parents and dont even call them for Christmas in the current year, so your idea of grief is outdated
>>729381385Victor Hugo is pretty good. In the beginning of Hunchback he describes Parisians as the kind of people who would spend all day staring at a wall if they thought something interesting was going on the other side of it.
>>729380604The more you kvetch, the longer E33 stays relevant.
>>729380604Disco elysium did break endings better.
>>729381520I read two books per week when I was in school.
>>729381470>it's le over Isn't Lune's character at all for the entire game.
>>729381450And a Mario list alone would still outnumber yours but I'm apparently the disingenuous one
>>729381385I look into classic russian literature for my doomercore reading. They got the suffering that the french never really understood. Also, Herman Melville is the greatest author mankind has ever produced.
>>729381569Just like TLOU2.
>>729381473The story isn't fucking complex it hits you over the head with this theme literally 10 times.Literally every single character has some form of grief.
>>729380604so you're an actually XIV tranny and marvel fan? fucking kek
>>729380604who asked?
>>729381663>one series Okay, buddy
>>729381360You are buck broken
>>729380604Why do retards use Marxism without knowing what Marxism is?
>be verso>let gustave die because you want to infiltrate the party and use maelle to get the paintress out of the canvas and kill everyone>ignore your sister's letter who was hoping for an alternate path where they can live and the dessendres can get out of the canvas>said sister fucking despises you for this and asks the real maelle to just gommage her>get butthurt about this even though he planned on killing her and everything else in the canvasLiterally worst character
>>729380604I mean they are french no matter how they cope they still will be know for being biggest losers of Europe.
>>729381905hey man that thing he wrote is probably like 800 pages or something
>>729381823>invokes humiliation ritual inflicted upon African slaves by their Judeo-Masonic masters
>>729381789Yes, one series alone outnumbers your data point. That goes to my argument.
>>729381304> see Lune had to be silent and just glare instead of talkingThere’s nothing she can say that will change anything
When was the last time a game was pretty much >gameplay: 4/5>characters 5/5>grafix 5/5>music 5/5>story 1/5
>>729380920>the fake protagonist, even giving you a false hope you can get him backWhat? Who? The protag is gustave in the start and then switches to maelle. Verso got benched the moment I got his lying ass.
>>729381929B-but I didn't get to say goodbye :( Its not fair :'(>>729381640She's an optimist and also very pragmatic. At that point, there is nothing she can do or say to stop Verso. Sperging out will only let her go out in a horrible way. All she can do is give him a death stare.
>>729381698>Literally every single character has some form of grief.no? how does Lune fit in your theory? never mind, you're just gonna make some retarded argument about how her whole character is about grief somehow. Even the writers said the story isn't just about grief, yet grief is all versotards speak about because it fits their preferred ending better.
>>729381470>The good ending was possible but Verso both killed Gustave and denied his own sister's wishlmao
>>729382029The last video game that had good music was battlefield 1945
>>729380604The problem wasn't even act 3 in and of itself. It was because the conflict literally turned into>Dinner's ready time to go home>NO PAPA I DON'T WANNA LEAVE NOAll they had to do was have Maelle focus on wanting to restore the canvas instead of focus on herself and act 3 would be far more compelling without even changing the conflict at all>Save the canvas at the cost of Maelle>Save Maelle at the cost of the canvas
>>7293819532000+ pages for Das Kapital and 60+ for Critique of the Gotha program are critical to actually understanding Marx. The communist manifesto is Marx's worst work by far.
So was Verso and Gustav supposed to be one character? Feels like they just decided they cant afford the voice actor or something and quickly swapped him out and adjusted the story a bit to fit
1000% accurate OP.>All portent>No substance>No style, even, reallyThe game should've been far more "out-there". Probably should've been about the mother's twisted desire to make her son's sacrifice mean something, or to prove its worth to her family, and focused entirely on that.
>>729382091>maelleGustave and Verso when she gains her Alicia memories>scielHer husband and aborted baby>gustaveSophie>LuneHer parents and older siblings, gustave as well>dessendresReal verso>painted versoHe only exists because of unresolved grief but also experiences loss himself being immortal and seeing all of lumiere die across 50 expeditions, also loses painted alicia>monoconoco
>>729381640Because it’s actually le over, in every other instance of the story there was something she can do, either for her expedition or the next. But not this time, she has no options to proceed, there’s none else but her and she can’t convince Verso to turn around. That’s the point
>>729382284Gustave's death and immediate replacement by Verso is to try to make you feel a sudden loss and try to cope with it which is what the game's main message is.
>>729382284Gustave exists so you get attached to Lumiere and experience grief yourself
>>729382027oh right i forgot this has the same righting quality as shounen anime where a character will just suddenly acting completely differently than they did the last 20 hours because the protagonist said so and children can't handle the idea of a protag being actually challenged
>>729380604I did not read all that. It is good though.More stories should kill their characters.
>>729382315illiteratesisters we won't be reading this post
Spec Ops the Line ass writing
>>729382284No. This guy is right. >>729380920His death and subsequent replacement by what initially feels like a facsimile of him is intentional.
>>729382135Yes. Gustave would have been able to convince Maelle to leave as losing him threw her into despair. Verso counted on that to make her a better fighter and ally to defeat the Paintress but he didn't account for her to have such attachment to Gustave that she would not leave. Being able to bring him back as his chroma was untouched meant Verso could never convince her to leave. As for painted Alicia she may have been able to convince him but he didn't read the letter, probably because he knew she'd get through to him and sway him. So she chose death when Verso didn't do anything for her or her wish.>>729382091Its not difficult to see where the grief comes from. Lune spent all her life working on defeating the Paintress, she gave up a fun life for endless work and research. She also had a bad relationship with her parents as well as having to see many of her friends, family and citizens die each year.
>>729382586Sounds like convenient cope from the devs >erm actually if you think this is stupid YOU are just coping and need to le get over it
>>729382220Maelle spent another lifetime living as a full part of Lumiere developing family and friends with it which no other real character in the story does so it makes sense that she'd want to continue with that but it's not really explored fully in act 3.In fact it's quite fucked up what happened to her and her psyche because I'd assume she is simultaneously dealing with the death of Verso AND Gustave while everyone else is mostly depressed from losing Verso.It's really weird though because when Verso says yeah I let Gustave die oops she just goes like well ty for being honest onii chan instead of idk slapping him and freaking out a bit at least.
>>729380604I just think its bad writing because once you learn its imagination land, I lose all investment in the imaginary friend characters, aka all but like 3 of them.Woulda been cool if played straight.
>>729380604Personally I didn't give a shot about Act2 or Act 3 because in Act 1 they played their hand by killing a load of people in Lumiere and then almost all of the Expedition Crew.When the writers don't give 2 shits about their world other than like 5 characters, why should the player?
>>729382586>Sacrificing story over gameplayRetarded and they completely dumpstered everything in the end of act2/entire act 3. Some people should just write or make movies instead of games
>>729382704Painted verso is a giant cunt
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>>729382704Because Maelle is dead and what’s left is Alicia with Maelle memories
>>729382816Please tone down your heresy
>>729382704It was obviously intentional that she lives 16 years as Alicia and then 16 as Maelle. As for Verso she still is grieving for her brother so can't hate him.
>>729382727It is bad writing because it never successfully argues that there's no meaningful difference between them and a "real" person. They just focus on some gay meta narrative about how how hard it is to be creative which I guess is true for the e33 writers. There's about a million pieces of media with the same exact themes and people act like this is so revolution. This is exactly like TLOU2 or GoW getting jerked off constantly by people who paused their 600th The Office rewatch to try a different piece of media once.
I don't know, I enjoyed the twist that its your standard Gods fucking with everyone's lives over some petty personal shit and the normies just have to except they exist at the gods' whims, except you are those gods this time
>>729383060This is basically it. People get hung up on 'its a le simulation and nothing matters wubba lubba dubddub!!!' when its obviously meant to just be gods infighting while their creations suffer from it
>>729382858>has red hair which is secretly white>uses a rapierHmmm
Writing sad, depressing and bleak shit is easy. Writing uplifting and hopefull stories without coming across as saccharine, tacky or shallow is pretty hard.Life is sad enough as it is, is it too much to as for to get some satisfactory emotional catharsis once in a while?
the game relies on emotional conflict and changes gears every act to prevent you from ever getting to analyze the logic behind any of their motivations. in other words, its very much a "dont think, feel" story, and every act is a new set of jingling keys
>>729380920Clea is the one who believed the canvas and its people to be fake. Through dialogues with the fragment of Verso's soul in the painting, it's clear Verso thought of them as real.
>>729383325>every fucking game, book, movie and tv show ends with a happy ending>one of them tries to have a tragic or, at the very least, bittersweet ending once in a while>UMMMMMMMMM HAVE WE FORGOTTEN ABOUT HAPPINESS?????????????
>>729383325You could just play Donkey Kong bananza.It has a pretty happy story.
>>729383060The twist might be okay if it didn't take like 30 hours to get there. The fact that it does and is a big twist shows it's not actually clever or interesting or artistic but rather intentionally manufactured to be marketable.
>>729382609>Gustave would have been able to convince Maelle to leave>he didn't account for her to have such attachment to Gustave that she would not leaveDude, Alicia stays because of Verso. She does not have the same attachment to Gustave as Maelle did and Gustave would not be able to convince her to abandon her brother again. Not even her fake brother got through to her.>As for painted Alicia she may have been able to convince him but he didn't read the letter, probably because he knew she'd get through to him and sway him.Convince him of what? Her unrealistic wish of world peace she hoped to achieve by writing to Maelle as if she were Alicia?
>>729383439Literally name any stories that have happy endings I'll waitLet's not forget what Bethesda is doing to fallout btw
>>729383407>"dont think, feel" storyTotally disagree since people argue about the endings all the time, and your choice clearly boils down to ethics and personal values.
>>729382704>traumatizes a sixteen year old by making her watch her brother die (again)>"Yeah I did that to manipulate you easier">"Oh okay"
>>729383495Every Vanillaware game has a fairy tale ending.
>>729383541Games that have no narrative?
>>729380604
>>729383456She doesn't have to abandon the canvas completely.In Maelle's ending everyone is doomed anyway because she'll die in the real world soon anyway or when she gets close her parents will go inside the canvas and oust her out just like Renoir did with Aline.The only longterm happy ending for Lumiere would exist if Alicia can learn to control herself how much she goes inside of it so that Renoir doesn't want to destroy it completely.
Maelle is evil and shouldn't have been born
>>729383595You only played Dragon's Crown, didn't you?
Painted Verso doesn't get to choose for an entire world of sentient beings just because he personally wants to die BTW.
>>729383513not really, they argue cause they are given endings without clear details behind them and as such it devolves to the vague screechings of scub vs anti-scub
>>729383671She's not evil she's just a 16 year old foid from an immensely wealthy family. All of her actions make sense when you learn that.
>>729380920It is not good writing that the game even expects us to do not shoot Verso on sight when he reveals he is okay with destroying the Canvas."For those who come after."
>tfw you realize fake-verso is replacing gustave the same way fake-verso is replacing verso
>>729383772How does that make her not evil?
>>729381929Real talk, where did the letter come back from when he dropped it in the water?
>>729380604your perspective is flawed
>>729383714I think the game tries to explain it by saying he did it ultimately out of love for Aline. She was physically dying from spending too much time in the Canvas and as her idealised creation he is painted to love her deeply, so he wants to save her even if it means destroying the world.
>>729383495Just this year?SilksongBlue PrinceHades 2DK BananzaYakuzaSplit FictionNinja Gaiden 4Time StrangerPokemon ZADispatchOuter Worlds 2And the list goes on. And these are just this year, mind you
>>729383714I mean he could and he did (in one of the endings anyways)
>>729383671That's why her ending is the correct choice as it ensures an end to her villainy
>>729383041>It is bad writing because it never successfully argues that there's no meaningful difference between them and a "real" personIt's not a philosophical treatise, it allows you to make the determination. That's what the choice of endings is about.
>>729383798it still fits into that theme, the citizens of lumiere have no hope of surviving past the inevitable demise of their world, as such, they only way they can exist outside is through the influence they left on maelle. she's the one that comes after.
>>729383834It makes her dumb spoiled and callous but not evil. She's not trying to actively harm the world out of malice. She's just very privileged and used to always getting her own way which is why she can't detach from the world and finds the idea of being a magical queen of it so attractive.
So if Maelle's ending is the bad end as people claim because the painted world is "unreal" then how can Verso's ending be considered the good end if his world is no more real? Likewise it's argued that painted world people have no souls so it doesn't matter if they 'die'. Yet if Verso is just a painted person with memories of the "real" Verso then he is no more alive than they are, and therefor his will doesn't matter either.
>if the story doesn't have some super convenient happy ending then it's bad writingI hate americans and I hate disney
>>729383734They argue because committing omnicide vs pulling the plug on a doomed world is a dilemma worth discussing, and the game forces you to think about painted creatures and their humanity through dialogues with Verso's soul, the fight against painted Clea and the white nevron quests.
>>729384146Its alright 100 years from now Disney will steal the story but remake it with a happy ending, as is tradition
Reminder that the Verso ending is quite literally the cuck ending. You drop the journey and everyting you worked towards in order to fight for the well being of the people who made the life of the main cast miserable.Anyone with an ounce of diginity and self-worth says fuck the Dessendre and side with Maelle and the canvas world.
>>729384136The answer is that there's no good or bad end.They are both bad depending on which perspective you're looking from.
>>729384136Your mistake was bringing the whole validity of the world into the discussion at all. The game never posits that the painting and the people in it are any less valid than the people outside of it, the Dessendres very much love and appreciate them as they would do people, it's just that their own faults and misgivings are making them infight amongst each other, and the painting people are in the crossfire. It is no different than if the Dessendres were a family of royals
>>729384103But she is evil
>verso's ending>all canvas niggers die>family is together>maybe maelle can mentally mature and heal from her trauma>maybe she can paint her own canvas and bring back a version of lumiere>it won't be the same but like a gestral rebirth>maelle's ending>lumiere is brought back but it's lifeless and half-dead because maelle isn't a skilled paintress>renoir aline and clea can come back and end the canvas at any moment>if they don't maelle will die because she doesn't want to get out and then renoir will burn the canvas
>>729380604Renoir did nothing wrong.>>729380920Technically it was possible if most of the people involved in the conflict weren't retarded. Gustave surviving probably would have resulted in the "just step away from the Canvas and everyone wins" ending.
>>729382490you're most obtuse retard on /v/. Verso already made his choice and that scene is how Esquie, Monoco, Sciel and Lune deal with that choice.Esquie and Monoco accept Verso decision and hug himSciel accepts his decision but doesn't take his hand to show her disagreement Lune doesn't accept his choice and only she can do is to show him how much she hates him for doing it. It's not against her character you retard
>>729380604>American's only comparison to a feel-Bad movie is fucking AvengersAbsolutely uncultured and diabetes-pilled.
>>729383961Both endings are nihilistic
>>729384392>Gustave surviving probably would have resulted in the "just step away from the Canvas and everyone wins" ending.It's so fucking funny how much of a massive fuckup Verso is, and how hard he self-sabotaged by letting Gustave get killed
>>729380604The reason these fucks always write sad stories is because they're so privileged that they've never struggled in their lives. They straight up say shit like "here in the west were so privileged we don't know what actual hardship is like and I'd like to express it in my work for us privileged Americans that will never know the pain of third worlders"So fucking disgusting
>>729380604It's artsy fartsy bullshit. 2deep5ufags love artsy fartsy bullshit.They think suffering is good writing and suffering porn is the best writing theme because it explores the human condition or some retarded shit like that.
>>729384261Objectively no, but many people seem to miss the point and consider Verso's the good or true ending while writing Maelle off as evil.>>729384262Well the mistake here would be expecting critical thinking from the average person. To be fair one could also argue it a failing on the writers' part for not conveying that better, as the entire ending conflict doesn't really care about painted people. Maelle brings it up once and Verso just sidesteps it and that's it. The overall atmosphere of the two endings is probably the biggest culprit as Maelle's is given a more oppressive atmosphere.
>>729384446>i make shit up on my mind to get angry at
>>729384412All of that is gay dbz writing and if you like it you're a retard.
>>729384443people saying Gustave surviving would change anything for a better are bargaining
>>729384262Except that painting people aren't real. This is like if a royal tore up a play and put the fictional people in said play on trial. Its just insanity.
>>729384136>how can Verso's ending be considered the good end if his world is no more real?We technically don't know if the "real" world outside of the canvas is real or not. They argue his ending is "good" strictly because Maelle's is presented worse than his
>>729380604The game's written by a redditor, it's literally, unambiguously, unironically reddit writing.
>>729384514Maelle's ending is pointless if you ultimately care about Lumiere existing. It's established that staying too long in the canvas makes you sick and when Alicia is gone Renoir will burn the canvas.
>>729384514>To be fair one could also argue it a failing on the writers' part for not conveying that betterI feel like that's more on the audience's side. People hear 'world that was created by others' and immediately default to 'ah so the story is about whether they're real or not' and expect it to go down that path, it's not really the writers fault that they can't meet the actual story in its own grounds
>>729383671She's not evil. She is just naive/retarded.
>>729384256>Reminder that the Verso ending is quite literally the cuck ending.Verso is protagonist
Are we really at the point where fags sre crying because the story is "too sad" for them The fucking arguments against this game is worse and worse by the day
>>729384542They're real to the Dessendres, and that's all that matters in this story
>>729384417An Avengers ending would have made this asset flip actually worth the time. Let Gustave sacrifice himself and maybe Maelle. Give Verso a storyline where he learns to love again and be happy with his painted life. Let Renoir and Aline piss off from the Canvas and get a bed.You depart from Lumière to save the city. You can't just nuke the whole world and say that you reached a good ending.Verso is the real final boss of the game, the antithesis to all expeditions.
>>729384667>>729384103>she's not evil because i can explain why she's evilWhy do retards do this?
>>729384530I think it makes a lot of sense, and would reinforce Verso as a flawed character. He could've made the decision that would've ultimately helped his cause, but he chose not to because he fucking LOVES lying and being the center of attention
>>729380604The game is written by Chatgpt though
>>729384514>as the entire ending conflict doesn't really care about painted people. Maelle brings it up once and Verso just sidesteps it and that's it.It doesn't spell it out because it doesn't (shouldn't) have to. The entire rest of the game prior to 'the reveal' serves this purpose.
>>729384773Because my waifu isn't evil she's just misguided and needs my wise and strong masculine hand to guide her.
OP, are you trolling? How on earth did you come to these conclusions? Did you actually play the game?
>>729384773Do you it's impossible to both do bad things and not be evil?
>>729384136Both endings are good and bad in their own ways, but as a whole they are how one deals with grief. Verso's is accepting reality while Maelle's is going full escapism. Maelle's ending also comes off as more eerie with the copy and paste NPCs, the atmosphere, and the shot confirming that she is going to die. Of the two, Verso's ending feels "better" of the two to me in regards to Painter Verso's sacrifice. The Canvas is kind of fucked in either ending though since in Maelle's the people are still subject to the whims of a proverbial Goddess and once said Goddess bites it, then the Canvas ends anyway. That's assumine Aline doesn't just pop back in at some point and kick her daughter's ass to start the whole problem all over again only now with maybe an additional dead kid.
>>729384960She's not a toddler, being rich and spoiled isn't an excuse for being evil.
>>729384530If Gustave was brought back and realised they're in a stupid painting he'd have an existential crisis and kill himself.He already was the least mentally stable of the party from his first suicide attempt.
>>729384807Alicia is not Maelle, in the end it was all about ME, ME, ME, ME, my brother!She would lie to Gustave the same way she lied to Renoir and Verso and do the same fucking shit
>>729384694sorry bro but Maelle is the first character listed in the credits, she's obviously the main character of this story
>>729384443That's the tragedy of Verso. He is a monumental fuck up and his lies make everything worse for others and himself.
>>729384773Being stupid isn't the same as being malicious.
>>729385095>She would lie to Gustave the same way she lied to Renoir and Verso and do the same fucking shitAnd if Gustave was uppity she'd just repaint him to be a good onii chan who somehow supports the thing she wants to do anyway.Maelle's ending is just the same insane shit Aline was doing.
>>729384661Problem is that Maelle's leaves a lot of questions so many just assume worst case scenarios, while Verso's is more conclusive so many assume best case scenarios in contrast.>>729384662You're kind of right and that is why I say it's a bit of a failing on the writers. That said I dunno if I would call Maelle's truly 'escapism' because that implies there's something artificial about the painted world which goes back into the argument on how real it is. Also ignores how from her perspective it's not just some fantasy world; it's where she spent a whole lifetime, as much time as in Paris even.
I just got around to play this game but it hasn't had a very good impression on me so far. The intro is good, it has its mood and the characters behave like i expect they would, then the moment you actually start playing the game everyone goes full retard and the writing quality plummets, then you get to the wooden retards and esquie who completely ruin the mood too. So, am i playing a serious drama or a comedy for little kids? Make up your minds frenchies.
>>729385095I don't know about that. Just like how Alicia was Renoir's weak spot, I feel like Gustave would be Alicia's, since he was basically his brother and father for half of her life. If anything, Gustave is much more diplomatic about things than Verso, who just said nothing and lied the whole way through until the very end where he could sneak into the place where kid verso was
>>729384136His world was never real to begin with, it being destroyed is a non-issue
>>729385194A lot of serial killers are medically retarded but I'd say raping and killing people is still pretty evil.
>>729385205>And if Gustave was uppity she'd just repaint him to be a good onii chan who somehow supports the thing she wants to do anyway.She'd save herself a lot of problems if she just did that to Verso at any point
>>729385282>am i playing a serious drama or a comedy for little kidsTechnically you're playing both, and it's actually explained in the story.
>>729385205I don't think she had that kind of power at the beginning of act 3, as far as we know she brought back Lune and Sciel 100% the same as they were before they got gommage'd
>>729385029So doing bad things as an adult = evil?
>>729384146If everyone dies in the endThen whats the point of the story in the first place
>>729385417Wasn't it implied repainting an established existing thing without erasing was difficult even for regular NPCs. Alicia wasn't a super adept painter as she was more into books. Painted Verso was more ingrained due to Aline
>>729385282In time, you'll miss those moments of levity
>>729385483>uuuu she just a widdle baby who just did a coupa widdle bad things Silence nigger
>>729380986>make a story about grief>actually friendship will save us all and all you need to get over it is a firm handshake
>>729385504you're going to die someday anon. what is the point of your life?
>>729385551and drink waterand get some sunlight
>>729385542Incredibly embarrassing that you can't answer such a simple question
>>729385569>what is the point of your lifeGooning over Lune's feet
>>729385569Ain't noone making a video game of my life
>>729385282Yea it was really jarring to go from the intro to fighting a mime in the first zone, it constantly switches between these two by the way.
>>729385637Your question is ridiculous and makes you sound like you needed your tard wrangler to type the post out for you with how little you understood the post you're replying to. Be serious for once in your worthless life and say what you actually mean instead of doing a nigger's idea of rhetoric.
>>729385531Nah i won't, i hated every single moment i had to interact with those things.
>>729385642thanks for making my point.
>Fellows, hear me out! I have analyzed this game in details and have come to the conclusion that out of all the characters featured in this story, the most evil one is... MAELLE! Here is how I came to this conclusion:>she's 16>she's rich>she had a weird face in one cutscene>I like Verso's ending better.
Cope and seethe Maelle needs to turn the vidya off and go eat dinner with her family.
>>729385705>jarpigs have NEVER had funny joke monsters as side content
>>729385520Not just implied, it's explicitly stated. That's what the real Clea did to both the painted Clea and Simon. Maelle goes on to stay that it takes far more skill to alter someone else's painting, which explains why she opts to 1v1 Verso rather than lobotomizing him for being "uppity"
>>729380604>France makes a GOTY>India, Canada and the United States most affected.Make all the threads you want, it's as impotent as a jeet protesting trains by shitting on the train tracks, not realizing it just makes the trains go faster.Stop pointing your fingers at my country and look at your own country making games that are infested with DEI-slop, be embarrassed France of all countries beats your entire video games industry. Get better, get off your ass, or watch your video games industry implode.Cheddar isn't real cheese, BTW
>>729385821Not what I said but when you go from incredibly traumatic shit to fighting a joke monster within a minute then it's hot garbage yea
>>729385852Luckily for her, after she kills verso she gets a lot more experience in that regard to the point she can take away his immortality given to him by aline.
>>729385967She might not have. She could have made it worse by just giving him aging but not actually removing the immortality kinda like that one Justice League Unlimited episode.
>>729385339The problem is that we learn that Alicia is small little liar in the only place were Gustave can't exist, so he couldn't convince her of anything even if she would listen to him
>>729385967But not enough to change his personality given the nervous breakdown he was having mid-Piano Mines
Its a small side thing (for now) but the writers worry me about the sequels. The idea that the factions are divided based on the type of art they make seems really stupid, it be like different factions exclusively using a shotgun vs sniper rifle, etc. Should have just said its a rival family or something imo
>>729386061I think Gustave would've confronted her about it much earlier, pretty much as soon as he learned from her arguement with Renoir that her life would be in danger if he stuck around. Now, he was not ungommaged for that scene, but Verso was around, so this is yet another chance for Verso to fuck things up by choosing not to mention that detail to Gustave, but still
>>729386198I think that's just the focus they use to do their magic thing. I wouldn't be surprised if writers just had Books that work the exact same way as Paintings
>>729382704>Maelle spent another lifetime living as a full part of Lumiere developing family and friends with itYou didn’t pay attention to the dialogue, did you? She actually did none of this. Pretty much everything she says in the Prologue is how much she hates Lumiere, can’t wait to leave it, and how she doesn’t have anyone holding her back there unlike everybody else. “Umm, I akshually have friends there and stuff” was a massive cope from Alicia to justify her paint addiction and desire to play in her personal dollhouse forever once she realized she was essentially a god there. She didn’t give a shit about anyone except Gustave while she thought she was a normal girl.
>>729380604Guys, I think Neil Druckmann did a better job writing a story about dealing with grief than E33 writers did.
>>729386282I'm sure thats the idea, but it just feels weird that you would align with people based of what tool they use rather than ideological or familial connections. But maybe they can explain it well enough when the time comes though.
>>729386496That's called perspective, anon. The second she remember what her other life was like, she understandably gained a new appreciation for Lumiere and everyone in it
>>729381543That's because most american parents are abusive retards who raised them wrong and society taught them to not only be a negligent prick but kick them out as soon as legally able to instead of promoting household familial values. Also jews want to make more money and they dont make more money when you aren't moving out right at 18 and paying rent.
>>729385726How are you so rattled by the simplest of questions? All of your responses are schizophrenic. You're literally unable to have any kind of conversation because you're neurotically trying to head off the conversation at every turn instead of just responding to what is actually being asked.
>>729386646Cry about it
>>729386198I think they've already said they weren't planning on doing sequels in the traditional sense, but in the Final Fantasy sense where they're self contained stories.That said, my interpretation is that they're essentially rivaling drug cartels competing over selling "escapism" through their various arts
>>729386661You've already done enough crying for the both of us
>>729386216>I think Gustave would've confronted her about it much earlierAlicia tells everyone she will be responsible and won't be like Aline, then there would be no argument, Maelle would never lie to him
>>729386752Projecting
>>729380604>we are now complaining about sad endingsYou guys will find anything to cry about and immediately associate it with internet trannies lmao
>>729386903The ending wasn't sad it was juvenile and nihilistic
>>729386667I'll be curious how sequels are handled. I figured they are doing an assassins creed thing where the main story is fully self contained but their is a "modern day" meta story happening with painters vs writers vs whoever. But maybe they mean it will be a full break and fully new setting each time like FF
Is painted Verso supposed to be the core of the painted world? I don't think this was ever said in the game unless it's mentioned in a hidden journal entry or something.All he wanted to do was to die because he was sick of being immortal. And Maelle just wants to live in the painted world because she's sick of being crippled in the real world, living together with painted Verso seems like an optional thing for her.Feels like there's a way to let Maelle get her wish without fucking over Verso, or for Verso to get his wish without destroying the entire painted world.
>>729386994>Is painted Verso supposed to be the core of the painted world?No, Kid Verso from the very end is
>>729385417Isn’t that what it’s implied in the Maelle ending? Verso struggles not to play, Maelle’s face goes all painterly, and then he reluctantly reaches for the piano. She’s now trying to repaint him to maintain her happy life illusion.
You know reading a story doesnt imply you have to change your ideology to suit it, you can just experience the worldviews of other people without pretending its going to recruit kids into the Marxist club
>>729386994Painted Verso (the one we play as) is just a super immortal creation of Aline wanting to cope with a play pretend family. The weird statue ghost boy at the end in a fragment of Painter Verso's soul manifested in the painting he created as a boy and acts a sort of core maintaining the Canvas world. Y'know the whole saying about people putting part of their soul in their art and all that.
>>729387029You actually speak to him very often throughout the game and in side areas
>>729386994>Feels like there's a way to let Maelle get her wish without fucking over Verso, or for Verso to get his wish without destroying the entire painted world.Verso wants Alicia to live in real world more than he wants to die. The way for both of them to get what they want is for Alicia to NOT be retarded 16 y/o, then she could unpaint Verso and visit Lumerie from time to time. But she refuses to do either of those, which is why Verso destroys canvas
>>729386124She forces him to play all the same.Her ending is basically a dollhouse.
>>729386976What the fuck I'm a liberal now
>>729387105The paint eyes is just signifying she is dying. Verso knows he is basically helpless at this point and going through the motions.
>>729386198The painters also cover sculpture.I'm guessing there are writers/painters/musicians and eventually they will all join under CINEMA.
I like how at the end they stuck to the characters making their choices rather than the player choosing for the character. Only thing the player gets to decide is who you agree with more. Helps make the characters feel like they have more agency while still making the player feel more guilt and responsibility because you chose who won that fight.
>>729387135Kid verso is nice, shame he can't even stop anymore.Being permanently stuck with the mind of a 10 year old is rough considering the events of the story, just a few years older and he'd stop painting on his own.
>>729386620Perspective can’t create love and relationships where there weren’t any before. It’s no coincidence that her Lumiere is dead and full of samefag NPCs who have nothing better to do except look at Verso. She didn’t know those people, so she can’t create anything lifelike.
>>729386620She "appreciates" it because she hates her other life.She even hates going back the moment they kill the paintress.Maelle doesn't like Lumiere, she only likes the fact she can larp there.
>>729380604Sad stories are lame. It's always a waste of a narrative to end it in a miserable way.
>>729387178Hell, he even begs her to unpaint him, but no, Alicia just has to have her oniichan doll.
>>729387619Sorry, her brother she loves so much doesn't have the same rights as her own painted self she hates because she reminds her of her original life.
the damage this game did to half of /v/'s psyche is incredible
>>729387575You want me to read all of that?Lol Grok generate me an image of an Indian man pooping in the street
>>729387575Imagine having views and ideals so flimsy that the mere exposure to alternate ideas might influence them. Could NOT be me
>>729380604>>729380920Lune should've taken command after coming back, found some way to use chroma to capture & mindfuck the whole dressendre family, then escape into the real world.Fuck this grief bullshit, those people inflicted 67 years of annual decimation on Lumiere, they're going down.
>>729387927How many years?
>>729387927If it were written by an american and not depressed communist redditors, that is exactly what would have happened.
>>729388087She's just chroma, she literally can't escape her canvas.
>>729386198>>729386282>le epic blood feud between two factions of magicians>the magic they're fighting over doesn't fucking do anything
>>729388186The painters can make a canvas float, and probably take normal people into it.
>>729388186Once you're high enough level that you're able to create demiplanes, casting Fireball just feels quaint
>>729387927Poor Lune connected with Verso over their passion for music, maybe they will meet in another life on better terms than they ended
>>729388505Lune would be a better fit for the real verso.
>>729387912The masses are morons and fall for anything. On paper commie shit sounds like the best thing ever, everyone always falls for it, but then comes the poverty and hunger nobody talks about because nobody strive for better things, instead everyone wants to be taken cared of. Every commie country is a shithole, even China was a shithole till it started adopting American economic values and ethics and they are borderline authoritarian too. That's how they keep their population in check.Europe on the other hand are lucky they are majority white but they don't create shit or innovate for a reason. And the more shitskins they import all of Europe will continue the slow decay.
>>729388579She’d have connected with painted Verso just fine if he hadn’t just spent a century being mindfucked and tortured - both physically and mentally - by almost everyone he knows.
>>729388579well, painted Verso was Aline masterpiece made to be the same as real Verso in every possible way. Without unnatural immortality and 67 years of pain and loss he would be just like real one
>>729388808That's why painted verso has better chemistry with sciel.
The game is kind of sort of almost as if you took FF10, but you Tidus, Auron and such weren't booted out of Zanarkand. And then you played the game from the Zanarkand perspective. Or would that be a stretch?
>>729389003No, I think it's pretty clear that FFX was one of their inspirations. I am also pretty sure they were inspired by the Neverending Story book
>>729388579Verso painted Monoco who loves feet and Lune is barefoot therefore Lune is canon.
>>729382490lune sperging would just make her death look pathetic and retarded her having a silent death stare is infinitely better
>Your god made you so that you are always loyal to him>His god's copy (which you also are loyal to) said he is going to whipe out all of existence as you know it because he wants to die>You have no choice but to go along with his plan and helpMonoco had a fucked up life
>>729389897Monoco loves verso.
>>729389897since he was painted that way then it was his choice
>>729380604>man who likely immerses himself in unhealthy amounts of escapism doesn't like the game whose message is that you shouldn't do thatreally makes you think
>>729390160Escapism is le unhealthy There is no escaping woke dei games like e33 and the mandalorian
>>729388930Both of them are terrible. Verso barely knows them and he wants to die anyway. They also barely count as characters in Act 3.
>>729390492you have to grow up one day
So the story is simply plagiarism of final fantasy tactics advance and nobody points it out ?
>>729390642Do you think FFTA invented the idea of existing on an artificial, fictional world?
>>729390559There is no escape muahahaha
>>729380604>The plot is all suffering and futility because-ACKits a French made game you retard what did you expect
>>729381450You listed like 11 games spanning over a decade
>>729389897Good dog. Best Friend.
>Renoir powering up is literally drawing strength on the love of his familyAlicia is a shit daughter.
>>729391874BUT PAPA I WANT A DOG, I WANT A DOG AND I WILL LOOK AFTER HIM, IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME A DOG I WILL HATE YOU FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE
>>729391874>>Renoir powering up is literally drawing strength on the love of his family>fanart wife gets clothesline'd by real wifePurest of kinos...
>>729392214>people played this with dubsFrench VOs and English subtitles or your lame
>>729392214>>729392730Oops, didnt mean to reply..
>>729380843Are you serious?
>>729380920>The story's central theme is grief. They drive the point so hard that they make you grieve the fake protagonist, even giving you a false hope you can get him back which never happens, because part of grief is accepting the loss and moving on with life.kino
>all these posts debating what character motives are or what the story is aboutYikes I didn't know the story was this bad
>>729380604i thought the game looked really fucking cool and promising at the start of the game and then it just became gay daddy issues fucking retarded bullshit central and while it was still good in most ways the dicksucking is just patheticits like ok that was a good start, now write something better next time and actually give us the next era of rpgs that we desperately want
>>729391874His wife was a dumbass too
>>729381974Most sane /v/ermin
>>729395585>brainlets filtered = story bad???
>>729380716>misery and suffering for its own sake is le good!
>>729380604Personally I think Maelles ending is hopeful and good, it just has Verso being depressed, because he's a depressed cry baby, who gives a shit, everyone else is happy.
>>729400674I think it basically comes down to how much do you think the life of a real person compares to a world of painted ones.
>>729401428I've come across many different point of views. To me they're as real as the people outside the canvas, just not as powerful and they inhabit a different world with different rules.
>>729400674>lock yourself into a copium Minecraft server where you think you don't have to confront the real world and your disability, slipping further and further into delusion until it literally rots you>hopefulDo you think Sunset Boulevard's ending is also hopeful? I mean, Norma got what she wanted she is back in the movies. Maelles's ending is better because it makes for a better tragedy with her continuing to let the canvas exist but not for the sake of Verso's soul but for her own conceit. It's simply better narratively for to be a tragedy.
I just beat the game. I'm really surprised how easy the end was. I basically one-shotted both phases of the final fight. shootshootshootshootshoot Elemental Genesis phase1, and then shootshootshootshootshootshootshoot Follow Up phase2. I was expecting the final area to be super hard since they give you a "World of Ruin"-style end game to prepare for it; I was way overpowered and way over prepared for it. I guess they really wanted people to see the ending. I've done a lot of things in the world, but I haven't done everything.As for the story, it's definitely not a Disney fairytale. The world is fake, it's all escapism. Dad is just trying to get his family out of the painting, but mom and Maelle just want to stay. I chose Maelle to escapism-max and you can see how miserable Verso is that he's forced to live this pointless life and how twisted Maelle is starting to become already. I'm going to look up the Verso ending and I'm sure it's just going to be Maelle being miserable in her real body. It's so sad that it even hurts for her to breathe, I don't blame her for wanting to leave that behind.
>>729401725I'm so tired of people using terrible analogies to strenghten their arguments. The canvas is nothing like playing a minecraft. That's all the answer you deserve.
>>729402001Doing any side content basically overlevels you for the entire storyline.You can go try the DLC bosses now, good luck.
>>729380604>E33 >SadPick one
>>729401725But the writers and painters world isn't real either, it's just in the video game we played.
>>729402106I powerleveled on those dark hand-face guys at Dark Shores until I was like lv80 and then explored the world doing a lot of stuff.Lune is so powerful, she carried me through the game. I've been using this weapon throughout most of my playthrough and even to the end of the game. Generating stains on-hit makes setting up Elemental Genesis so easy. This may be one of those "You didn't beat the game" moments since it enabled me to one-shot so much stuff.
>>729402001There's an option to buff the enemies in Act 3. Still, it's weird they added a "fix it yourself" option instead of, you know, fixing it themselves
>>729402385Nah, it's easy to become too strong for 95% of the game. There are lots of different ways of doing it with maelle or sciel as well. Probably the other faggots too but I never used them
>>729402576Maelle's Act 3 skills just solve the end game.
