Will vibe coding totally replace manual game programming?
No
>>729382625Why not? AI tools seem to be improving at a rapid pace
>>729382556no. vibe coding is a temporary fad. AI will replace vibe coders too
>>729382556eventually
>>729382657>seemSo you have no proof?
>>729382556What the fuck is that shit?
current AI techniques are useless so it's already replaced people of your intelligence level OPhope that helps
No, but there's already too many people trying to get into IT.
>>729383108
>>729382556>vibe codinghow do I get into that, I know nothing about code
>>729382556the reason LLMs are great for general programming is that there are millions of open repos on github that you can train them on, game engines and their source codes are generally private and more often than not have custom and botched solutions that trip up LLMs, they'll probably get better with time and standarization but not as the same pace as something like JS programming does.
>>729383262just vibe it
>>729382556yes! and it will lead to vibe bitching where players send the devs LLM generated death threatsfun
>>729383214The fact that you posted two shitty AI videos as an argument for why you think "vibe coding" will work in actual software should be the epiphany for you that you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. I'm assuming acting like a retard is a humiliation kink of yours.
>>729383214Why are you posting videos when we're talking about programming
>>729383262download vscode, cursor or whatever IDE is being shilled at the moment, watch a 2 hour react introductory course on youtube, and then just tell the AI what to do.
>>729383214It went from funny dreamlike to realisticslop, i cant believe realismfans ruined ai too
>>729383262If you want to make something, like a login page for example, but you don't know how to code it, you ask your chatbot.Then you copy and paste that and save your work and publish it.
>>729383214Good lord, AIfags are genuinely braindead.Also reminder "vibe coding" is why modern windows keeps getting worse and worse and getting embarassing bugs.
>>729383214>>729383442The bottom video is actual Will Smith being silly on Tiktok about the AI version few years agoAlthough AI can do stuff like that now I suppse
>>729383464>>729383396cool, thanks>>729383316you got it
I hope notWindows updates have been vibe coded for the past several months and look at what a shitshow that has been
>>729383464>"Login Page with HTML and Node.js">literally just HTML with no server requests and hardcoded credentialsnigga what
>>729382556No lol this is kind of shit you need to understand and AI just sharts out shit which it doesn't even knows what it does actually.
The issue is that AI is owned and being pushed by billionaire oligarchs, meaning any news you hear about how miraculous it is could just be propaganda designed to increase speculative value.
>>729382657>AI tools seem to be improving at a rapid paceIn order to use tools successfully in complex settings like producing custom software, you have to understand the underlying issue that's being solved. This means that you have to be able to understand algorithms and data structures, which is essentially understanding how to do the thing manually. Weak bait thread, by the way.
>>729382556Yeah, unfortunately it will be souless garbage.
>>729383214This is not a video game.
>>729382657perceived reality and reality are two different things, anon. wirth's law very much applies to AI as well.>t. software developer
>>729383832true only for kike AInot so for chink open weight versions based on US frontier modelsthanks for funding my free AI, silly goy
>>729382556You're thinking about it wrong. Coding is already largely supplanted by toolchains like Blueprint.
>>729383821That's not the entire response.
>>729383847>This means that you have to be able to understand algorithms and data structuresno, not really, you have to understand how to set up and mount a proper backend without it becoming a mess of spaghetti code, that's about 90% of the job
>>729383464How do I type that symbol on my keyboard?
>>729383930What's the point of hating jews if you're going to worship China?
>>729382556Can someone explain to me what vibe coding is? I only know that quinn streamer, mr arpg, spends his time at times vibe coding on stream. Whatever that is. How can a random retard just start coding?
>>729383048no wonder why the matchmaking is all fucked
>>729384223ask ai bro
>>729384223depends on your font but some html editors show == as ≡
>>729384223Its just the font they use that converts == to that
>>729384250I don't hate jews or love china.Jews pozz models and overcharge, chinks give them away or nobody would use their models.
>>729383958this is incorrect. UE blueprints is a design tool for (in the grand scheme of things) largely irrelevant handling of logic and automation and is not used by programmers. modern game engines are designer centric, which is also why you have to own a $6000 gayming rig to enjoy 6h of AAA slop at a reasonable 20 gays per anal thrust.
>>729384223this is called ligatures, look it up.
>>729384401China banned pornography and sends people to jail for it, same as for not worshipping their goverment. They are yellow kikes.
>>729383048
>>729384350You need a middleware to prompt your code, other than that you need to know if the garbage LLMs put out is useful or not.They defend it as better than AI art or video because it's meant for production, not the end product.
>>729383794This is what philanthropy does to a motherfucker. He gives his company away to people suffering from their own stupidity and now the world suffers for it.
>>729384406Blueprint being a VM abstraction absolutely makes it run slower but the reason games run like shit now is bad GPU optimization not bad CPU optimization. What game can you think of in the last 25 years that was both CPU bottlenecked AND didn’t run at 100+FPS on any random toaster?Just don’t try to code your entire physics system from scratch in blueprint you’ll be fine.
>>729384521Their models aren't censored and produce the most degenerate porn you'll ever see.I'm not Chinese and will never live there, not my problem.You don't care about poor Congo children used for mining cobalt either.
>>729384406Just say you aren't a dev and don't understand why UE5 is slow.
>zoomers can't code without sitting a dildo
>>729384686When you build/export the game, doesnt that stuff get converted to C++ anyway? i would imagine the only slow down would be in-editor compile times, since it would have to convert the bp to code before play
>>729384857heh
>>729382556It's not enough they're trying to put a field out of work, they have to call it a retarded hipster californian word too. I hope they invent vibe scamming next so Silicon Valley faggots also end up under a bridge.
>>729384406>Blueprints are not used by programmersWhy do people who don't know anything open their mouth? You can open up any UE5 archive with various mod tools. I have never seen a UE5 game with more C++ classes than blueprints. Blueprints are used extensively.
>>729382556depends on the codebaseif its a very big codebase then noif its just simple games like recettear or FTL or whatever you can think of yeah its kind of possible.But dont be fooled anon. You actually need some competent or actual programming knowledge to make something and putting a game together is a skill too.
>>729384883No. They had a prototype for nativization cooking but it was super unreliable and they deprecated it. It didn’t produce legible code anyway so all it did was (if it worked) removed the VM overhead. And the VM overhead never fucking matters so nobody used it anyway.Optimization problems are either on the GPU, OR sometimes in the render thread itself (too many draw calls, for instance). You basically never see game thread bottlenecking unless you’re doing something insane like creating A* from scratch entirely in BP. Almost all of the CPU-intensive tasks (physics and collision, AI decisions and pathfinding) have native engine-level implementations anyway so you don’t pay the VM cost unless you reinvent the wheel entirely in BP. There’s basically no gameplay logic that I can imagine complex enough to bottleneck anything, even in a lo-fi game.
>>729384635IN ENGLISH SARGE
>>729384883It gets converted to C++, but its not that efficient. Generally the same thing written in blueprints will run worse than decent C++ code. But its irrelevant since that is not the source of UE5 running like shit. Videogame logic for 99% is not that complex, so even bad dev jeetcode can still run good enough. Its bad optimization in the graphics engine that kills UE5 performance. Like its way of handling transparent materials. Just open the UE5 editor, and put like 5 glass walls in a row and manuever the camera to look them through them all. With just that scene and nothing else, you will probably already be <60fps on a 4080.
>>729382657You need to know how to debug and how the language works. AI is only good for figuring out HOW to solve a problem. Every time I've ever used it to solve the oroblem itself it fucks up multiple times and I have to personally find out where it's breaking.
>>729383214>turns out it's not even ai, will smith is just acting like a molested freak again
>>729385172https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibe_coding
>>729385172you tell chatgpt to do whatever and then you paste it in your coding platform of choice
>>729385239he got cucked to death, shit ain't no joke
>>729383214Top was funnier
>>729384686>bottlenecksthis is a gamerfag buzzword and doesn't mean what you think it does so you should probably never say it again, but yes, hardware and GPU's in particular are not being utilized in a way that's intended and graphics api's are partly to blame for that.
>>729385254That doesn't tell me anything because i'm too stupid to read academic language>>729385279It can't possibly be that easy. Just copy pasting shit from what a bot says into programs or software or however that shit works
>>729383048>Hey chatgpt, I'm using a Selection Sort, what are some alternatives?>Good question! Have you considered a Bubble Sort?Chatgpt saves the day AGAINAGI two weeks
>>729385604And it's not. It rarely actually works, unless you're doing some extremely low IQ code monkey job and AI can just copy-paste some basic code that gets looked up thousands of times every day.
>>729385604it is that easybut it will fuck up and you won't know how to fix simple syntax error vibe coding is for fags who already know how to code, it's not like AI art
lmao I love reading the undergrad dunning-kruger cs posts
>>729385604it's both that easy and not that easy, you need to have some knowledge on what do you want do build, you wouldn't want to build a webpage on python or a high volume algorithm with a ton of calculations on javascript, but once you set up your enviroment you can just tell it "i need X thing for my project", the more specific the better
>>729382657They're really not.
>>729385706Bruh, so that's what mr arpg is doing. Read some shit about how he's gonna make his own dream arpg through vibe codingThanks
>>729385792Now you know how artfags feel about prompt-fags
>>729385604Anon, most of this AI crap is snake oil salesmans using fancy marketing words to make people think they need their shitty Cleverbot so the trillions of dollars they spent into making it don't go to waste.
>>729383272hi himari
>>729385792it's like reading steam discussions. retard gamers should really just stick to consuming and play with their bop-it controllers, it's very cringe when they dive into technical details.
>>729382556Not a single "vibe coded" game actually has the NEW MECHANICS I want.
>>729386052just threaten the modelwith violenceseems to work better
>>729384521>mutt propaganda in 2025+1HAHAHAHAAH
>>729382556I hope so, we need more unoptimized coding disasters because that'd be really funny.
>>729383959kek, not even pajeets are this bad
>>729386121I'd rather just learn how to code and program the mechanics I want. Sadly I'm out of money so I can't dedicate myself to learning it full time.
>>729382556i like how most games are still running on old ass (and sometimes proprietary) engines that have bugs/spaghetti code that cant be fixed without the entire engine exploding, and niggas think "hmmm yes let AI make it even worse".
>>729385235>HOW to solve the problemI find the opposite. Its good at writing your solution. If I give it too vague a problem, it gives dogshit code. If I very clearly explain the problem, and tell it exactly how to solve it in technical terms, it does pretty good. Like to the point you should be writing psuedo-code for it and letting it just translate it into C++ for you. Its also really good for doing code review on other people's stuff, especially if you have some bug reports in hand to feed it.
>>729386263the best programmers are grown in damp basements out of pure interest, not through school
>>729385867For monthly payments!
>>729386295>If he gets deleted the game fucking breaksSounds like an easy fix. Most likely he is just used as the default selection in various classes like character select. Just need to find everywhere that references his character and change them. Should take like 10 minutes.
>>729386379See, I have the damp basement part down pat but nothing else. Maybe I should get a job that would let me move out of this house so I can afford to spend some of my time actually programming.
>>729386483saaar
/v/ said the same shit about crypto, nft whatever. Look how they turned out.AI is yet another scam>This time it's differentyeah i heard that one before>No this it's time it's different!Yeah i heard that one tooNot like any of this matters. War is coming.
>>729386643>crypto, nftHE POSTED IT AGAIN
>>729386052Why would you get anything new from stackoverflow and various programming subreddits being thrown in a blender.
>>729386508you need 1 hour every day, that's all. make it count. if you really really want this, you will make it work.
can't wait to see the retards launch apps that are "hacked" by just sending a single '
>>729386643Aquajeet pls
>>729386483Most computer-related works try their damnest to not reinvent the wheel/switch to new tech as long as they can get away with recycling. The desire to cut on budget and fear of breaking what worked are too big.
>>729386643True, this "internet" thing is never going to take off, like what the fuck is an e-mail? lmao
>>729386643>cryptoNo they never said that, don't you mean NFTs?All these faggots saying "work smart, not hard" trying to find another scam, no how about you just work hard?
>>729386737Then why do they get mad when I say that I want something different?
>>729386821Nah this is closer to when people were really resistant to using social media and were vindicated by the absolute dumpster fire they became. AI is going to shit up the internet and society at large in amounts previously thought impossible.
>>729382556vibe coding gives you code on par with what a 50 IQ jeet copypasting from stack overflow will get you, it wont produce anything more advanced than a tetris clone
>>729386960>wereI'm still resistant to social media.
>>729386483>now you broke rendering, audio is just garbled shrill noise and half of the inputs aren't working
>>729386821You know “the internet” also had a giant bubble associated with it, right? AI has uses, but not as many as you are sold, and it isn’t worth what you believe it is currently.
>>729387056and the um sorry u ran out of credits please come back in a week
>>729387064>AI has usesliterally what
>>729382556Yea, and vibe coding will eventually be replaced by 'no coding'. Just tell the AI what to do and it will do it for you, not just code, everything. You will only need one person and a subscription to an AI service, millions of AI slop games will flood the market every month. The few traditional games being made will be drowned in the endless stream of garbage. This is the future we chose.
>>729387270Programming.
>>729387175part of the gamedev learning curve is realizing refactoring is a waste of time and overengineering is actively harmful
>>729387270well you use it then you hit max uses for the day
>>729387316this was just what i screenshotted because it was ridiculous but it sucked at anything really
>>729382657because that shit falls apart quick. unless there is someone who already knows how to code to give it structure, it's pointless. and if someone is already competent with coding, if it's an important project, they'll probably spend more time coding it themselves and save themselves the headache of having to debug whatever nonsense the AI came up with.
>>729387294there's already ~100 games released on steam everyday, you don't care about asset slop and no one will care about AI slop either
>>729382657Because vibe coders don't know how their code actually works, so when in the nearby future some vibe coded mess of a multiplayer game has an RCE exploit that lets script kiddies fuck up your system just by connecting to you, and nobody at the company knows how to fix it and their reputation will be dragged through the mud, the rest of the industry will hopefully realize that they still need at least some people who actually know how to program.
>>729387270Custom built LLMs are really good for specific processing of large amounts of data, it’s okay at acting as a programming helper that you only have to beat occasionally, and it can churn out utter slop that is useful as placeholders that look a little better than MS paint.
>>729387502>Claude, fix this RCE exploitDone. Learn to mine, codemonkey.
>>729382556Can I vibe code an AA game?
>>729384984i've only dedicated 2 of your lifetimes to this industry. unreal engine is a designer centric game engine, of course blueprints are used extensively, it's a design tool. programmers don't touch design tools.
>>729387680Yeah, I'm sure the same digital pajeet who doesn't know how to play Pokemon will 100% "fix" shit like this.
>>729387502From my experience AI agents work best mid-development when you already have most stuff done and set up, it works within the framework you wrote yourself so it's easy to course-correct it. If you make the AI responsible for the structure itself it'll lead to a compounding effect of retardation.
>>729387064It had a bubble, but it was also the future of technology. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>729386295i can only assume that DBFZ was the first game on their newer engine and goku was one of the original files, so when they made guilty gear they just took that file and used it as a template rather than remaking everything.
>>729386295>>729387891well, lucy is in might as well also add goku to the fucking game anyways.
>>729387863It wasn’t the future of technology, the “internet of things” was a dogshit idea throughout the 2010s. It was AN important technology. AI might ALSO become an important technology, but it isn’t going to deliver us the futuristic utopia any more than the internet did. It isn’t the new computer god, LLMs probably aren’t going to spontaneously become truly aware.
>>729385856>>729386008I was talking about zoomers like you
Lol. Vibe coding has been a thing for what, 2 years? And there are already companies that offer "unfuck your vibe coding" services.AI bubble can't pop quick enough.
>>729382657Yeah man look at how much money OpenAI is making and how great Windows 11 is.
can you vibe code cheaper ram?
i'm getting anti vibe coding fatigue
>>729382625FPBP>>729382657'Owns' an NFT
>>729388395Nice pattern, jeet.
>>729388315They so rich. Profitability is a tiny issue, but omg they are so rich.
>>729382556if I see a "vibe coded" game that forgoes actually coding I'll simply "vibe purchase" it and forgo actually buying it
>>729388029anon, i could very well have been your teacher in cs, sit down
These AI companies are so delulu it's almost comical. They're all just in one collective hallucination where in their mind, all these AI datacenters are going to be providing SO MUCH FUCKING VALUE BRO, trust the plan.Meanwhile the models are improving marginally. Actual revenu from AI subscriptions is pitiful and the general population is getting pissed at all the AI slop being generated plus the skyrocketing price of graphics cards, ram and electricity.When this pile of cards collapses it's going to make the dotcom bubble look like a calm day in the stock market.
>>729388952lol I seriously doubt it
>>729386295Just like the TF2 Coconut
lollmao
>the only existing example of a fully vibe coded game is a shitty vampire survivors clone
>>729382556>Will vibe coding totally replace manual game programming?Nothing will ever replace real programmers who know what the hell they're doing, that's where corpos fail, they think they can outsource the programming jobs to AIs so they can have half the workers and only sub 60IQ third worlders (aka slaves), but when shit starts hitting the fan, they won't be able to fix all the issues of their decisions.It will be the worse economic downturn in all of history ever registered when these megacorpos start going bankrupt and the whole US economy goes down, basically dragging the rest of the world with them.
>>729390145>put AI systems in complete control of your codebase>they can't fix anything because they hallucinated half of it and don't retain the information they used to originally generate it >games will become literally bricked and companies will be forced to completely re-prompt the game>have no frame of reference to maintain parity because the AI was keeping track of that and forgot its supposed to remember Can't wait!
>>729390017>he doesn't know
>>729382556The whole concept will become obsolete before any real games are made. It's like the people who claimed they are artists because it took effort to inpaint the image and do several prompts. It's not actually supposed to work that way. It's supposed to do everything first try.
>>729386221B-but anon, they said we'll have AGI by tomorrow morning, how can't you understand it already?
>>729390315The problem isn't even vidya, it's everything else, you can't play pretend to vibe code operating systems, drivers, firmware and all that shit which needs a 99.9% of online time rate.
We will know when AI coding gets actually good once we see AI programs that can modify and improve themselves. Until then it's all smoke and mirrors.
>>729390319Well?
>>729390548Genuinely all that stuff in the image is just a small peak of what is to come.
>>729390548soon OS, drivers and firmware will all be written in React JS
>>729390667that's not difficult, i can already feed error messages and suggestions for improvement to the AI model, it automatically fix all the bugs and improves its own code
>>729390548>>729391206here's your new run dialog sir, deeply enriched by ai web technology
AI is basically a gacha, each prompt is a pull, if it's successful you either get a waifu or ERP text, if it's not you reroll until you get it.
>>729391831
>>729391831outside of it being ass aesthetically, what am i supposed to be seeing here?i don't want to sound like a shill i just don't really use run that much to know what they changed here.
>>729387064the internet also had a use case, didnt require college campus sized data centers that suck up power and water, and also creates a economic ecosystem that pays for itself WITHOUT 3 companies infinitely trading the same 20 dollar bill.
>megacorporations pooling resources to create a long term World changing project that no single nation could is is bad actuallycommie luddites are so funny
>>729393178What?If Elites were in control they would work together to create immortality or something. This is just your flavor of the decade tech scam.
>>729393382Immortality is already possible, but the techniques don't allow for large scale adoption.
Can't wait for one of their AI projects to accidentally drop their entire production database and delete the backups.
>>729384984Yeah by jeets and low level programmers that can have their entire game copied and remade into a Fortnite map.
>>729382556Maybe. I vibe coded a script for a website and it works perfectly.
>>729394008>I vibe coded a scriptWith 5 well known security vulnerabilities probably.But regardless, vibe coding works well to do something simple and do it quickly. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Building enterprise software with vibes though... I mean look at the Windows 11 fiasco.
>>729393687>don't allow for large scale adoption.Why would they large scale adopt immortality? it would be offered to less than 10 of the world's richest people and kept as a secret forever
>>729394165Well, it is simple, some download buttons and song skipping for the Radio Paradise website.https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/560314-radio-paradise-pro
>>729385420I guess a LITERAL bottleneck is sequential rather than parallel but it amounts to the same thing: if your CPU code runs in 0.1ms and it could run in 0.01ms, it still doesn’t matter if the GPU is taking 10ms because it only changes whether the CPU does 9.9ms of idle or 9.99ms of idle.
>>729382556Probably not since the AI can still accidently code in massive security vulnerabilities without realizing it.
>>729395062here's a hint: the term "bottleneck" is only ever relevant if the consumer operates optimally and it never does this for any game, not even close.
>>729382556Understanding what the code actually does is important if you are making a complex game, vibe coding can create simple shovelware $1 trash
>>729383214what purpose does this serve
Most game systems can be implemented by AI if you give it the specification.I doubt the whole process will be automated, because AI will be shit at debugging integration, the same way it's garbage at debugging anything else.>but it will get good at it eventuallyI'll believe it when I see it.
>>729383378the bottom one is real
>>729382556not professionally, the companies hiring programmers will still expect you to work on the game when the ai network connection is down
I'm having agents build games while I do most of the QA. I publish a game a week on Steam. So far I've only had one hit, but it let me retire.
>>729383794i pretty much never update until windows forces it, you can't trust they won't brick your computer with this shit
For vidya? Sure, wouldn't be surprised.For anything serious, potentially with lives at stack? Nope.
>>729382556I hate talking to people or bots
