>tfw your best friend is a backstabber and knight loyalist
Reposting because I feel like it.Something that all the shipping discussion has made me think about is that, if any romance is actually present in the game, it has to have a purpose besides just being fan service or just a side plot, it must be a device to move to story forwards. For example, it is possible that the game will feature a romance between Susie and Noelle, but why exactly would it do such a thing?Personally, I think it's simply a setup to create conflict later on. One theory that I think might be true is that the prophecy is trying to be changed, originally, the second hero was gonna be Noelle, with the Girl being Susie, and the whole plan of Carol, Kris, and who knows who else, is to switch them around, with Susie taking on the role of the second hero, and Noelle that of the Girl, and they are doing so because the second hero(and maybe the other heroes too to an extent) suffer an undesirable outcome at the end of the story, and, specifically, perhaps they even meet this undesirable outcome at the hands of the Girl. Now, if we assume this is true, Noelle and Susie's romance actually has some plot relevance, them being very close to each other will eventually cause conflict once the end approaches and Noelle realizes what fate is gonna befall Susie, and she will try to avoid this, which goes hand in hand with the efforts of Ralsei and Susie to change the outcome of the prophecy and reach a happier ending. I think if Noelle and Susie really are gonna be in a romance, it's going to be because it actually helps the plot, like in the situation I've described here.Continued in the next post.
>>729385075This would also explain the absence of this romance in the weird route, in the weird route Noelle becomes less interested in Susie, and also seemingly becomes "stronger", more susceptible to being commanded around, if we combine this with the fact that Noelle didn't really grow that close to Susie in this route, it means that Noelle can be ordered to carry out her role in the prophecy, so whatever fate Susie has to meet, she will either not interfere, or she'll have Susie meet it by her own hand.
>Thread already starting with shippingIt's over. Endless ship wars until Chapter 5.
I can't wait to send Kris to the closest possible depiction of hell Toby is willing to makehope it's some shit like "Kris is forced to re-experience the weird route forever until the end of time without being able to do anything" or similar
>>729385204Kris is already in hell
>>729385174hopefully susie and noelle both die in chapter 5 so this shit can end
>>729385204Why do you want to torture Kris so much?
I'm tired of these generals of one dude pretending to have the same conversation over and over all fucking day.It's also incredibly depressing he did this on fucking christmas instead of hanging out with his family.
>>729385619He is my special
>>729385770YWNBAJ
>>729385830And thank goodness I'm not, I'd kill myself for being part of the process of manufacturing your faggotry.
>>729384765>Susie's claws in your mouthWhat do?
>>729385075You don't need to make romance the main part of the plot for it to work, you need to make it believable and satisfying (you have to show that the choices are real)My favorite part of star ocean 2 is the fact that you can ship anyone and they will have a custom ending, while the main plot solves itself the same way independent of your choices
>>729385770>Yagipedo finally reveals he just hates Deltarune threads in generalGood to know you really ARE just a wannabe janny that wants them deleted.
>>729385938I'm not saying that romance ALWAYS has to be part of the main plot, I just think that, if Deltarune is gonna feature romance, then it will be part of the main plot, rather than just being a side plot.
>>729385770Have you tried not engaging with the threads you don't like?You spend all day bitching in most of /v/ and constantly posting in the threads you dislike Why? i can't believe you're having the slightest amount of fun
>>729385775So you should take care of him, then.
>>729386081This schizo literally goes in every single "games with a schizo" threads to talk about how awful Deltarune threads are because he thinks it's one guy samefagging. Every single one. He's actually mentally ill.
>>729385775https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RaU8K8sLTM
Chapter 5 Festival is the most obvious part of the game where you decide the end game pairings. If Suselle is forced as the only option, then there will be no chance for Krusie or Kriselle in other chapters or even Weird Route
>>729386059yeah in DR it is totally going to be a part of the plot, as LOVE finds the girl has double meaningCh5 is teased to be the moment where everything breaks withing susie, noelle and kris in one way or anotheryet, i'm still thinking that tobby will push forward the friendship ending with everyone (in the good ending)
>>729386306Kriselle will be real in the weird route because Susie will die. In fact, Kriselle is ONLY possible in the weird route, Noelle is too Susiebrained otherwise.
>>729386306That's unironically correct which is why I am really looking forward to Chapter 5.
>>729386262Not only thoseyou can see several threads where they are spammed in the exact same manner, first sending them to "their respective boards", then calling the fandom troon or something in those lines, then he proceeds to spam something if his bait is ignored to try to take down the threadI mean... fuck, i can't imagine spending all day trying to shit on what other people do and enjoy just... because i don't like it? if that is even the case, since, how can you interact that much with something you hate?Living in perpetual negative interactions, even watching TV can't be worse than that
>>729385920>Virgin Noelle>has to use desperate measures such as use a bubbler after Susie to taste her spit>Chad Kris>Susie just give you an open and half drank soda so you can nondirectly kiss
>>729386182But I love bullying the things I love
>>729385204The Weird Route is gonna end up with the Player larping as Omega Flowey killing Kris over and over until you get bored.
>>729385938Thats the plan with Deltarune, all the games that Toby bring in the conversation like Chrono Trigger or Breath of Fire has basic romance implemented so i don't think Kris is there just to admire suselle
>>729386557I only mentioned the "games with a schizo" thread because he was literally doing that yesterday while people were posting in the Deltarune thread (while samefagging, too)https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729321795/#729327313I just assume it's a mixed of autism and severe mental illness. Those schizos believe 4chan is THEIRS so they need to police it so that only things THEY approve can be posted, otherwise it should be deleted. It's not about happiness or even discussing games for them
>Everyone who thinks we're annoying avatarfags is one guy, and that guy also makes all of the FUCK OFF TUMBLRTALE >>>/vg/ posts because us avatarfags are so integral to these threads that disliking us equals hating the games.Insane AND narcissistic as fuck.
>>729385174>he thinks the shipping wars will stop in Chapter 5You stupid fuck, you don't know anything, the shipping wars will continue, and you know why? Because the ferris wheel scene will be inconclusive, there is a good chance the ferris wheel will have two scenarios, one where Susie and Noelle ride alone, or one where it's Susie, Noelle and Kris. All those options allow both Suselle, Krusie and Kriselle to continue, so no, there won't be an end to the war then, the wars WILL continue until Chapters 6 and 7 are released. Your suffering WILL continue.
>>729386375It would be real if weird route ended on both Noelle and Kris alive. Which obviously won't happen
>>729386846I actually think that's gonna be the real ending, Noelle(probably traumatized like hell) and Kris(also traumatized like hell) alive, the rest of the more important characters being dead.
>>729386714The problem with Kris's shipping, is that, those are (you)r choices, not kris'sIt could be stretched to happen with a "despite not having been me i would like to try" sort of scene, but, will he?I don't think suselle is set on stone, like everything, is very much on the air what will happen in generalThe worst thing tobby can to is just to leave everything without actual answers
>>729386943It's gonna be SOUL consuming Kris and Noelle transforming into giant Kaiju Angel monster that destroys entire planet
>>729386619I guess Kris also treats (you) like that, so I guess maybe two tsunderes can find love together.
What if kris is a they/them because they are literally 2 niggas.
>>729386608>people STILL think Toby doesn't know what he's doing
>>729386289U R MY SPECIAL
>>729386789Yeah is the more blatant kind of posts he does, yet if you watch the whole board, you can notice the same patternsThere are only so many ways a person can post after all
>>729386809Except the schizo who thinks are these threads are one guy samefagging isn't just a regular avatarfag hater, but someone who genuinely dislikes the fact these threads still exists no matter what. He probably thinks you are the samefag, too.
>>729386306I think this is retarded because there is no way in hell kriselle happens in the normal route. Actually think about it for a bit and try to imagine what a normal route kriselle would look like. We have 3 chapters left, at the end of chapter 4 Noelle is still all "SUSIESUSIESUSIESUSIESUSIESUSIESUSIESUSIE", realistically, what the hell could possibly happen during that time that would make Noelle go "you know what, fuck that purple lizard cunt, I actually want to get plowed by Kris"? It just makes no sense. Atleast with Krusie there's some logical thread you could follow, but normal route kriselle? That makes no fucking sense.
>>729384765Susie cold scaled lizard body never stood a chance against Dess warm fuzzy fur
>>729387152I guess so. I do see this behavior a lot of wannabe jannies wanting threads to just be what their want. It's probably a mixture of insane autism and narcissism, the type where everyone must bend the knee otherwise they throw a childish tantrum.
>>729386986You don't really force Kris to like Susie as he often show assertivness in impressing Susie or trying to save her without your input. And considering that he works with Knight and probably tries to sacrifice Susie in place of Noelle, its possible he sees himself as lower than a worm and see SOUL as the better version of himself. I think he would use our suggestions as his own counsiousness and pick our picks as his. At least the one where he chooses a date on the festival. Both would make sense.>you pick NoelleHe would agree, after all he distance himself to protect her and do all of this risky shit to save her>You pick SusieAlso make sense, Kris dinner scenes or saving her from Minikris, Gerson Statue or Chaos King shows he really started to like her so it might be the case where he sisterzones Noelle and focus on Susie and actually regrets sacrificing her and decide to sacrifice himself>you pick Suselleyou basically keep the status quo and never confirm what Kris thinks. He just continue with his quest to fulfill the prophecy his own way and get friendzoned by both girls.There might be a choice for Ralsei and Berdly but i really doubt it. Berdly is too comedic and Ralsei look too similar to Asriel
>>729387450Kris already coped about how """different""" Ralsei is from Asriel so I don't think he sees him as a brother or like Asriel at all.
>>729387109Western players ignore it but thats a big shipping meme in Japan and mostly made for them
>>729387450I mean the attempts to save her make sense even if he doesn't like her. The prophecy needs Susie, no Susie, no prophecy, and that's problem. Even if Kris hated Susie he'd still keep her alive.
>>729387227HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG AWOOOOOOOOGA AWOOOOOOOOOOOOGA AWOOOOOOOOOOOOGA
>>729386012anon you really need to take your meds
>>729387227Noelle wa all about Kris until you aborted weird route, so she was into Kris even before you thorn ring raped her. Her entire "pro Susie" self changes when she's around "old Kris". Its obviously some kind of coping mechanism to distance herself. Otherwise entire chapter 2 advneture with Noelle would be "SUSIE, WHERE IS SUSIE, KRIS CAN YOU HELP ME GET WITH SUSIE" instead having cute moments with Kris
>>729386986>The problem with Kris's shipping, is that, those are (you)r choices, not kris'sThat's not true at all. The strongest scenes that shipfags point to are all things that Kris does. Kris puts stickers on Susie's cheek and giggles at her skipping stones on their own. Kris comforts Noelle after Snowgrave on their own. Kris hugs Ralsei when you tell him it's okay not to smile on their own.We're controlling Kris and when that gets revealed it's going to be a big problem, especially for Susie, but Kris is usually free to express their feelings and its their own actions that make all the difference.
>729387663You already did this bit before.
So how do the nips feel about the waifu wars since toby likes pandering to them?Is there a popular ship that stands out or do they not care about any shippingfaggotry for the most part?
>>729387450>Ralsei look too similar to AsrielToby Fox does not give a fuck about the "buh incest" whining from faggot teenagers, he's the one who put all the fluffy boy uwu shit in the game and made Kris and Ralsei's romantic swan boat ride mandatory
>>729387790And that was Chapter 2 not Chapter 5, are you seriously expecting Noelle to do a 180º on Susie in the 3 remaining chapters? How does that look like, Susie just tells her she's not into girls and Noelle uses Kris as the rebound guy? Also, in Chapter 2, she might not be constantly thinking about Susie when Susie is outside her field of vision, but once she's there, it's the only thing in her mind.
>>729387803Kris does genuinely wants to get together with Susie at the very least, but choosing which girl he will date is going to end up being your choice, and thus against Deltarune's themes. Unless Kris always picks the same girl no matter what.
>>729387615Impressing her with piano and drawing "Susie rulez" on the window aren't neccessary to keep her alive or actually laughing for the first time when she skip stones, or indulging with her with drinking juice and eating cheese plate
>>729387807again, meds. a pretty common statement sitewide, so I suggest finding a new angle lest you be considered a schizo as well
>>729388176I know, I was just mentioning specifically the attempts to save her.
>>729387450To like her, noBut to ship kris is another matter, kris in the story has many reasons to avoid everyone, and he will feel ultra guilty once everything is over, if he survives too, when is revealed that (you)'re the one controlling kris and that he is a treacherous bastard, his relationships with everyone will sour even if he is "doing it for good reasons"
>>729388000I don't think Noelle is in her right headspace. Her "love of Susie" is a borderline kink and possibly even siscon. I think whatever makes her bonkers over Susie will be revealed when Susie actually chooses Kris to go on a ferris wheel (if you triggered Krusie flags) or in different way if there are different routes
>>729387993i have no idea what his deal is with Ralsei. If he's some part of lightners items that is actually a photo of Ralsei then it won't work. Too much incest vibes
>>729388229Yagipedo literally spammed "meds" for an entire thread until he got nuked by the jannies and then exposed himself for the thousandth time. All it was literally to every single post calling him out, and not any of his posts saying every Deltarune thread is a samefag.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/728683083/#728718756
>>729388154Plotwise Kris want to keep his distance from Noelle. Technically only Suselle or Krusie would be something he would choose. What worries me is Kris not giving us any choice and just letting Susie and Noelle go into ferris so he can keep all of them in check while he throw US into trash can and goes to open another fountain
>>729388534Toby doesn't care about "sibling-coded", dude.
>>729388273Well every good story has a point where friends and allies stand against eachother as enemies so i have no doubt we will have to face Susie or Noelle eventually, maybe even Kris or SOUL. I just hope after itss resolved, Krusie prevails
>>729388748Even his Japanese fanbase would see it as too much. Suselle is already risky as it is with Susie acting as replacement for Dess
>>729388701That's probably what's going to happen. Susie and Noelle will have a reprise of their Ferris Wheel ride.
why is this the case?
>>729388810fair, i hope tobby compromises to non ambiguityUntil we get an ending, we have towait>>729388902>Even his Japanese fanbase would see it as too muchlol no>What is Oreimo?
>>729387919Nips are chill in their ships and they don't really care what's canon or not. Krusie is the most popular ship there but they don't go around claiming it will be canon or defending it. They would just draw what they like.
>>729388968I've always hated sans.
>>729388902Japanese don't care about pseudo-incest or stepcest. They barely care about regular incest as it is. They already ship Kralsei there with no worries.
Is this censorable?
>>729389097As it should beEven if we got confirmed genders we would still see the same art being produced
>>729388968toriel isn't frisk's mom
>>729388678what a sad state of affairs that someone saying meds can get them nuked these days.
>>729389097Weak.Half nomost of the fun of waifu wars is the horse race and the shit flinging that comes from it.
>>729388968Different perspectives. In Undertale Sans and Toriel had a relationship for longer, Toriel divorcing Asgore was understandble and she didn't have any kids and the divorce happened a century ago. Meanwhile we don't know what Asgore did, Sans knows Toriel for far lesser time and she embarrassed both Kris and Susie.
>>729389097[citation needed]
>>729389264Anything can be nuked as long as you spam it for dozens of posts.
>>729389352Search by ship tag on Pixiv. That's the best source you can have unless you follow several twitter artists.
>>729389314>most of the fun of waifu wars is the horse race and the shit flinging that comes from it.>I have fun fighting othersnta, ....good for you? maybeshit way to spend time>I enjoy it so is not time wastedhence the good for you
>>729389227We would probably just get rule 63 but some folks would be REALLY annoying about it no matter what.
>>729389502>I have fun fighting others
>>729388968In Undertale their relationship is based on pure chance, which evolves into wanting to find comfort in each other to help them cope with the horrible situation they all are inIn Deltarune their relationship is based on wanting to shock the viewer, but in-universe it is based on Toriel's nether region feeling all hot and bothered due to being forced to raise a child all by herself and Sans' shamelessness and opportunism being taken to the extremeIf you weren't a secondary you would know this naturally
KRIS SNORTING DESS'S DUST THEORY
>>729388154>Unless Kris always picks the same girl no matter what.He ends up alone and unloved no matter what. Toby wants you to think he's not your self-insert, but he also wants to do a le epic subversion of games where you pick your romance option, even if it's gonna make the themes of his game inconsistent. He can't just save that idea for another game after Deltarune, because Deltarune will take another five years to finish, so (adding in the dev time of a brand new game) he wouldn't get to stroke his cock about how clever he is for a whole decade.
>>729389654>due to being forced to raise a child all by herself>forcedAsgore doesn't deserve this slander
>>729385619She's kinda a creep
>>729389597
>>729388154>choosing which girl he will date is going to end up being your choiceThis is not a thing that's going to happen.The culmination of all of the shipping bait up til now will be the festival, where Kris will hang out with Susie and Noelle as friends. There will likely be more opportunities for shipbait, even culminating in a ferris wheel ride, but this will not lead to Kris having an actual romantic encounter with anyone or "choosing a partner" that would affect how the rest of the story plays out.Kris has had a great time being friends with Susie and probably doesn't want to risk ruining that with romance, especially considering their current circumstances. Kris does not want to get closer to Noelle right now.Noelle very much wants to get closer to Susie. Noelle's relationship with Kris is complicated, but there's no real sign of any feelings she might have had for Kris returning outside of the Weird Route.Susie likes Kris and Noelle and has invited them both to the festival with the express intent of hanging out as friends. Susie is not completely ignorant of romance, but she has repeatedly and consistently shied away from any suggestion of it. And let's not forget Ralsei, who Susie also really wanted to hang out with at the festival.It is possible that Noelle will get another ferris wheel ride alone with Susie and kisses her and everyone here who cries about "yurislop" kills themselves, but I think that's the least likely resolution.Chapter 4 has set up the potential for Noelle to feel threatened and frustrated by Kris and Susie's relationship with her repeatedly getting third wheeled, and that could become a source of conflict at the festival.Susie wanting to include Ralsei could also lead to her inviting Noelle to Castle Town, so that she doesn't have to choose. This could be another source of conflict, but also a way to set up Noelle potentially being included in Chapter 5's Dark World.
If kris thought I was making him suffer now just wait untill I get my true vessel back.
Do you kill shit in this game, or is it another one of those Walking Simulator games?
>>729389883It's weird how actual dykes prefer Krusie and Kriselle versus Suselle.
>>729390042I want to massage those cute, big feet
>>729390126What if the Vessel loves Kris for some reason?
>>729390139You can kill in chapter 3 and 4
>>729389223goddammit
>>729390139You spare shit in this game untill you find a loophole and can kill shit anyway
>>729388968He broke Susie's heart and made Kris contemplate suicide. Small difference, I know.
>>729390139Kill? Not yet. You can freeze enemies in Chapter 2 but the murder is implied to only happen later in the weird route. Undertale has actual killing.
>>729390262>>729390272>>729390465Well at least I can kill eventually...
>>729390287roba really let herself go
>>729385830Yawnjag
>>729389654>due to being forced to raise a child all by herself>herselfTenna doesn't deserve this slander
>>729390662The 'Roba is growing plump and hairy for my sake.
Dess is the roaring knight because trying to beat that fucker is exactly what it was like trying to fight my friend's way older sports playing sister when I was 8. I am getting my shit wrecked.
>>729390139You woudn't want to kill, anyway. You will be driven by lust to impregnate Susie
>>729391032the most sound reasoning i've heard yet
I know the future. I will now tell you how Chapter 5 starts.>You wake up the next day and go to the Church to get the things from it for Castle Town>While there, you see Alvin reading Susie's letter from Gerson>He permits you to take the stuff and gives us the code for the shelter that he knows, but refuses to elaborate on how much he knows about all of this>After visiting Castle Town, it's Festival time and lots of crazy stuff happens there>But then Toriel shows up with Sans and Asgore sees them together>He embarrasses himself hard trying to win over Toriel despite Sans being there and leaves sad and dejected>Rudy (how is at the festival) tries to go after Asgore but starts having a coughing fit so he has to return to the hospital with Noelle, so he asks Kris to go check on Asgore>Susie comes along and they go to Flower King>But Flower King has become a Dark World so they hop in to try and find Asgore>The Flower King Dark World is one where everyone loves Asgore as their king, making sure he never feels alone or abandoned like his real family and friends have done to him
Thus wept the falling star
>>729391032You probably got a fetish from that, I know I did from my tomboy cousin
>enter dark world>see thiswat do?
>>729389498that's not a source for discourse in the jap fandom you retard
>>729390628We don't know that, either. Mantle implies that's the case but it isn't fully confirmed.
>>729391404My mistake. I thought you were referring to Krusie being the most popular ship. In terms of jap discourse you just have to trust me, bro.
>>729385204I hope Kris ends up like Chara and can be made to wipe out his adoptive family.
>>729385619its more interesting than anything else going on at this point in the story
>>729391787Kris will kill Ralsei, Susie and possibly Asgore at the very least.
>>729390143It's because Krusie and Kriselle have an actual dynamic to them, while Suselle is extremely vanilla.
>>729391032>Dess takes control of Kris from you because you're "Playing the game wrong"
>>729392341you joke but that might actually happen
>>729391787>yet more charaslopplease no
>>729386306Do people seriously believe that Toby is going to turn deltarune into a unironic dating sim after repeatedly taking the piss off dating sim tropes and hammering home that (YOU) aren’t kris?
>>729391787>yet more charagoldplease yes
Honestly Snowgrave just makes me think Berdly is a good guy and Noelle is a crazy dumb bitch, if he's gonna have some more Weird Route presence later I hope he gets something in Pacifag too.
>>729392645That's like asking>Do you guys seriously believe that Toby is going to turn Undertale into an unironic edgefest where you kill every monster you can find after repeatedly shitting on you for killing people and hammering home that its "An rpg where no one has to die"he's going to put in the ability to completely flip off the intended message, that's why undertale was cool
>susie and noelle interactions? Can easily be skipped and you have to go out of your way to listen to them (also aren’t there for the weird route)>susie and kris interactions? A lot more prevalent but most of the “big” scenes are optional side content>susie and ralsei interactions? Almost completely mandatory and unskippable with many of them being essential to the plotHeh…
>>729392645Some do but they are a minority.
>>729392881>two characters you arent controlling who are in the main party have more forced interactions than any other pairingwho couldve seen that one coming
>>729392841>Honestly Snowgrave just makes me think Berdly is a good guy and Noelle is a crazy dumb bitchYou needed snowgrave to realize that?
>>729392645Yes, knowing what genre Toby is copying and how many tropes from dating JRPG's is already used, its very likely this game is waifu driven. Something he didn't thought of introducing in Undertale
>>729393070Well no; but it definitely made it clearer.
>>729391787Kris is already ultra coping with whatever happened to desshow are (you) going to make that happen?
>>729393221>Something he didn't thought of introducing in UndertaleIsnt flirting with toriel one of the very first things you can do, even before having a real fight you can lose?
>>729392841>>729393070>>729393243When he gets better from literally almost freezing to death, he's gonna try to talk about what Kris and Noelle did to him, nobody is going to believe him but just by being a noisy little birdy, Noelle will actually try to kill him for real this time in the light world.Screencap this.
>>729393278Make him believe he killed Dess and that he enjoyed it. I want to fuck him up like Kotomine at the end of Fate Zero.
>>729393302Undertale unironically has more dating mechanics than Deltarune since Frisk can actually date Papyrus and flirt with other characters, not to mention Toby planned for Mettaton to be her robot husband, too.
>>729393338>When he gets better from literally almost freezing to deathI feel like if that does ever happen he's going to come out with some supreme brain damage that makes him unable to tell anyone at all. I'd be surprised if he could even talk properly after waking up. Or emote at all. Or walk properly....why is this all sounding so familiar
>>729393338Berdly isn't going to wake up in Snowgrave. Only if you abort it.
>>729392881Finally, someone else who understands the Truth™
>>729392881Funny how their relationship remains unaffected by doing snowgrave. Every other main pairing gets fucked over by doing it.Almost like it's too important to the overall message of the story for you to ruin it or something.
>>729393703does turning on the heater for him abort the weird route? because I thought you could continue it even if you did that for him
>>729393920No. It doesn't.
>>729393302those were made as a joke since you play as some toddler, now your characters are all 16 which is basically adults in japanese media
>>729393338And she will start dating him on normal Krusie route when her obsession with Susie is resolved. Berdly deserve the best!
>>729384765finna nut in susie
>>729393917Well, duh. Escapism is a major theme and Susie and Ralsei is central to that.
I want to come inside Kris while she's trying to kill me.
>>729388968>Undertale>Toriel is a bitch who divorces Asgore because he doesn't like killing humans but overall isn't as rude constantly, Sans just knocks on her door making jokes and nothing sexual is ever implied, you're just a bystander who got taken in by her for ten minutes at best>Deltarune>Toriel is a massive bitch who divorces Asgore for no reason of his own and keeps resenting him years later, you're her actual adopted son (or at least possessing him), the "dance" he does with Toriel is heavily implied to be a sexual innuendo and she ignores Kris and acts like a horrible mother by basically getting drunk and doing it with the first stranger who came into town rather than just making pals with the guy who's been knocking on her door for years making her laugh during a period of misery
>>729393917Of course nothing changes between them, they arent actually involved in weird route at all yet. The most involvement either of them had is that one blank textbox with susie at the start of chapter 4
>>729385174let's start complaining about mike, it's not too late to turn this thread around
>>729394527who do you guys ship mike with
>>729394401Speaking of this I always find it weird how the big popular porn artists always draw Chara and FemKris but always shota Frisk. Meanwhile actual underrune artist is the opposite.
>>729394527...Mike?MIKE ISN'T REAL! AND HE WOULDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH (YOU) EVEN IF HE WAS!
>>729394423Toriel divorced Asgore because he wanted to kill humans.
>>729394527that pluey video from the newsletter proves mike is friend
>>729384765why is Susie the best wife?
>>729394423
>>729394569I ship Mike with my dinner. Because he's Chef Mike. The microwave.
>>729394634>>729394527Wasn't Mike just a meme new boyfriend of Tenna after he broke up with Spamton? Am i missing something in that gay shitpost lore Toby cooked?
>>729394851Chapter 3 susie was top cute from the couch co-op, the funny susiezilla mini game outfit and dialogue this chapter really endeared her to me.Chapter 3 is probably my favorite chapter so far.No idea why people say it's the worst of the bunch.
>>729395380>Chapter 3 is probably my favorite chapter so far.BASED, 3 haters will never be true Delta enjoyers.
>>729389314you guys really are powerlevelfags but worse in every way
>>729394527Here's your Mike. Toby will give him character once you talk to him and he explains why Spamton and Tenna divorced.
>>729392645People here give the exact same vibes as dudes in shonenfag fanbases who unironically believe the story should just convert into a romcom
>>729394687Actually it was because of how "stupid" his plan to kill them was. According to her, she wouldve had no problem if the plan was "Kill one fallen, absorb its soul, and then march onto the surface humans for 6 more", even the hindsight of knowing who the first fallen after chara was (another child) didnt sway this because she still uses it to call him out.
>>729395380i like 3 & 4 as most Krusie pilledchapter 3 is Krusie with low stakes mostly enjoying games like a datechaptr 4 is the more serious adventure date with Suz
>>729395380I think its because 3 is the only chapter we've gotten that we didnt have to sit on and wait with, and we were immediately given chapter 4 after. We werent forced to sit there and read everything it had, get as intimate with it as we did with chapter 1, 2, and now 4. It's the stepping stone to 4 in most eyes, not it's own adventure
>>729395380I remember the early threads where a ton of people were assblasted over not getting to the S-rank rooms
>>729395578You misunderstood Toriel. She was complaining that Asgore was being a coward about his decision, not that he actually should kill humans. She's say IF Asgore actually wanted to kill humans he should've done that right instead of stalling for years.
>>729384765>tfw your best friend is a backstabber and knight loyalistcan't believe Kris did this
>>729396094Slash is right btw.
>>729396024That wouldnt hold up either though, because Asgore did it in the only correct way possible. Its an objective fact that the monsters cannot, will not, and would not win a second war against the humans no matter what they had. Any plan involving making the murder of humans known to the humans would just provoke a second war, there's no chance for coexistence. With Asgore's plan, the kids deaths can later be chalked up to fall damage, and their coffins are proof of, at minimum, respect from the monsters for the deathes of people that arent their own. It takes a lot longer, but that also means the emotions of the first war will be a lot cooler and muted by the time the barrier is broken, and thus the humans may be open to peace the second time around. Exiting the underground with no desire for conflict is the only chance they have.The only plan that couldve been better in the end was simply not killing the kids and taking them in, but that assumes its possible for 7 living humans to work together and break the barrier themselves which we dont 100% know for certain.
>>729396427Couldn't a monster with seven souls wipe the floor with all humans?
>>729396531Lets ask Asriel, see how it went for him
>>729395380It drags too much and it was underwhelmingThe story itself is FINE, but it also could had been betterThe darkworld should had been themed around Toriel's house and every darkner giving us a peek on kris's childhood and lifeInstead we got Spamton in 3D!!!i mean, fuck that noise
>>729396427That's a completely different argument. The point is that Toriel divorced him because she was against child murder and didn't want Asgore killing children in general. If he or she were right is another conversation. Also you are forgetting Asgore declared war against humanity and promised to exterminate all humans. Bratty and Catty are literally hyped for the genocide of humanity. Even Gerson dislikes the fact Asgore declared war, too. He never planned for peace, he was just stalling.
>>729396614asriel is a pussy pacifist so he isn't credible
>>729396094Biggest point against: Deltarune may set and check a lot of flags for random things, but the differences only ever amount to throwaway lines or jokes. Beating the Knight is optional, but Kris Slash would be a major part of the later reveal if it were true. I don't think Toby would want the hassle of having two significantly different versions of the same scene depending on something optional. If it's not something that puts you on an entirely separate route, I don't think he'll bother. Though, a counterargument there could be that the Shadow Crystals could end up putting you on an entirely separate route.That being said, I hope toby proves me wrong and Kris Slash is true. I like the "Kris had to knock them out because the Knight got mad enough to kill them then and there" idea
>>729396445
>>729396614Frisk is a special super powerful human who succeeded where six others failed.
>>729396365It's not that "it is right", it simply doesn't make sense for it to be wrong.
>>729393338The spell said FATAL and his bead got brokenI'm expecting berdly to be very much not alive during all the weird route
>>729396531I'd like to wipe Toriel's soles with my tongue haha
>>729396445>>729396724
Biggest fear of chapter 5>Suselle>SorielBiggest Hope>Ferris wheel with Susie or Noelle>Asriel returns>PAPYRUS cameo
>>729396783He's alive, buddy, in a comatose state but alive, stop speedreading
>>729396839>What is a fallen down monster?
>>729396783The broken bead is Kris. Chapter 4 says so.
>>729396724femkris is dumb, the only thing that makes me give Susie away to Suselle, would be confirming Kris as female. If she a butch lesbian and not a tomboy then what's the point?
>>729396783ch4 revealed that the bead is kris'it's broken, but kris is still locked in
>>729396829>Biggest fear of chapter 5>>Suselle>>SorielThose two are in 100%, I feel that Toby really wants to drive the point home on how nasty Toriel and Sans are, he wants people who love and idolize them to seethe and see their flaws.
>>729396829My biggest fear is none of the mysteries being resolved again, and the conclusion to the egg and shadow crystal plot being disappointing.
>>729396913>>729396949Kris's bead is black (broken but still locked in)The one that broke completely is the blue one
>>729392881>Do nothing>WinIt's too easy
>>729396926>Krusiefags would ABANDON their ship if Kris isn't maleI can't believe their faith in their ship is so superficial.
>>729395380You would think chapter 3 would be the most liked. It has a funny antagonist in Mr. Antenna, it drops HUGE nuggets about the weird route with the creepy sword quest and the Mantle fight, it reveals more about Dess, it reveals the Black Knight for the first time and introduces Undyne's dark world look, it drops a big clue about the shelter with the three symbols, and on and on.
>>729396094Another point for it, even assuming Kris DIDNT slash with his own hand, he LET Susie get slashed INTENTIONALLY. Every other insance of Susie taking a potentially lethal hit has Kris jumping in to, at minimum, TRY and deflect it. We see it with King's spades in chapter 1, with statue Gerson in chapter 4 when its complete darkness, we technically already see it in the Knight fight as well when he fights even harder when she's knocked down. Every other time he WANTS to help her, but this time he DIDNT
>>729396881>Kris carried a corpse to the hospital and gave said corpse a heater... FOR THE LULZ xDlock in, little buddy
>>729396829>Biggest fear of chapter 5Festival is skipped or falls flat, to be hyping this event for 4 chapters to do nothing would kill any expectation for the rest of the game>Biggest Hopepain, i want to feel!lore dump, we need the game to start expanding, to dump everything on the last chapter would be retarded
>>729393920Turning on the heater will reduce the amount of damage he does in the future Berdly the Undying fight in the hospital dark world
>>729397175he is trying to save him, yeahbut it is what it is, the spell says fatal and the known condition existsunless tobby chickens out, we should learn that berdly died eventually, stressing even more noelle and kris
>>729396991The bigger fear with Soriel is Toby will play it straight, like its something we should be rooting for, instead of treating it like the massive fault of their characters it is.
>>729397103only selfinsertfags have any real vendetta against femkris they think that if kris were female suddenly her entire personality would change and her and susie would turn into basic bitch uwu lesbians instead of still being the town goblins
>>729388968Toby wanted to make a point about single moms in Deltarune.
>>729397369>>729396991
>>729397350>moving the goalpost to "b-bro he's gonna die anyway uhh... LATER haha"lock in, little buddy
>>729396991Soriel will happen because tobby will excuse as>Toriel was looking for Kris, redeeming her from the situation>Sans got toriel drunk so he could rescue her at that moment>Sans stays pretending to party to keep an eye on her and spite Kris
>>729397374Honestly, true. Kris being a girl or not shouldn't affect your enjoyment on the ship since they are the same character anyways.
>>729397475reminder, sanstroon >>729390287
>>729397496>(you)Berdly has actual good taunts, keep practicingplaying it smug doesn't make you interesting>You repliedthis time, is boring to read the same answers every time
Krusie canon or pirate
>>729397606>Fanon character picking a fight with the face of Undertale.
>>729397606https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogqv6CtBfbE
>>729397598femkris reeks of bland anime girl posting and dillutes Kris' characterization for the sake of pushing an aesthetic.Noelle looks derpy as fuck, Susie looks like she's cosplaying kurt cobain and has a blocky ass body, but all you guys post are boring ass looking, basic bitch "Kris if she attractive anime girl", which I can't respect. I don't like it when Kris just looks like male isekai protagonist nº23913 either.
>>729397697>deflects to the random coom pic so xe doesn't have to address the written truthtypical foul sanstroon
Sans please fart on me i will pay you 300k
>>729397797Sans dunked on you and your furfag wife. Another 300K for Toby.
>>729396991the one in the wrong is asgorehe acts like a dumb teen who's gf left him
>>729397894THOUSANDS unironically said this...
>>729397797There's no pic anon, are you alright?
>this terrifies the kris
>>729397787I am not a FemKrisfag and there isn't much art of Kris that explicitly looks like a girl but still looks like a gremlin.
>>729397913>uhhh, Asgore should curbstomp Sans and beat up Torielholy based!
>>729397894Literally no character has this many simps btw.
>>729397787most femkris fags agree that she would look nearly identical to mkris though
>>729395380>No idea why people say it's the worst of the bunch.Let's see...>TV parodies and references in the TV world? LOL get this Zelda knock-off for over half of the playtime>Evil gameshow host? HAHAHAH yeah I did the Mettaton bait and switch again>Asriel doesn't like the green dinosaur anymore, fuck you for paying attention to the text>Of course Kris isn't Chara and doesn't prefer chocolate, the soulless pacifist reference in Chapter 1 meant nothing LOL>Mike? What Mike?>Oh you wanted another fun schizoboss? Well fuck you. Beat this genocide final boss early if you want your crystal.>Escapism is bad! Of course we had to tear down the Dark World premise before the games even reached the middle, goat family drama and deer family drama and purple dinosaur drama is way more fun than that.>Also, this barely has any bosses compared to the previous chapters LOL
>>729392881don't pretend that anyone here actually plays the game
>>729398007he should move on like a normal adultand maybe not live in a shop like a bumlook at his room, it's a mess
>>729397910Sans literally got humiliated and killed by a little girl, millions of times.
>>729396926for (YOU) to fuck them both dumdum
>>729397787>Kris' characterizationhe's a non characterif we and kris were one and the same, nothing would change
>>729398104Literally filtered and mad
>>729398104holy fucking mother of filtered lying schizos
>>729398104>Of course Kris isn't Chara and doesn't prefer chocolate, the soulless pacifist reference in Chapter 1 meant nothing LOLFat nigga literally ate a whole pie during the middle of the night
What if its revealed she was blonde all along?
>>729398384Probably canon
>>729398327chocolate pieplus toriel locked the chocolate away from him
>>729398212That little girl is literally the strongest character, THOUGH.
I find it funny that people will complain about Tenna being Spamton 2.0 while also complaining that Chapter 3 didn’t have a wacky manlet schizoboss with an epic speech quirk
>>729396614Asriel was literally playing pretend. He showed less power than Omega Flowey did despite him being weaker.
>>729398487People wanted Jevil and Spamton 2, not just Spamton 2.
>>729398104all of this is what happens when you make a game episodicit just means devs navel gaze and scope creep for no reasonjust fucking finish the game already
>>729398487>wacky manlet schizobossno>epic schizobosseram is nothingburguer
>>729398484...compared to a pathetic calcium midget, sure
>>729398487Tenna didn't get much of the aspects I like about Spamton anyway.There are also many ways to do a weirdo schizoboss, Ramb himself would have made me satisfied.
>>729398104The chocolate quiz is actually really fucking smart, Kris loves chocolate but pie comes first, most people would pick chocolate not only because Kris likes it, but because they unconsciously see Kris as Chara tooOnly bullshit one is the yoshi
>>729398101Yeah, that's a better interpretation.
>>729398647Frisk can canonically beat every character in Undertale. Zero canon losses.
>>729398652>Rambhe would had been an excellent schizo bosstrying in his fight for a point to get trough kris as he slowly descended into insanity while turning into stone at the same timeit would had been as tragic as it would had been spooky
>>729398779>Frisk can canonically beat every character in UndertaleHe gets bailed out fighting Flowey twice.
I dont need excuses. I chose the weird route of my own free will because I am evil and I want to see the characters suffer.
>>729398779Not Serious Mode Papyrus, but he refuses to lock in.
>>729398876Yet Flowey still lost to her and ran away crying. KWAB.
>>729398487Tenna is simply the best
krisknight lostmomgrave lostcattifags lost
>>729398684Its also a good way to catch how many people are really paying attention to Kris, since those two questions he'll actually try to give you the answer by sneezing and moving to the correct one himself
>>729398924I hope we actually see serious Papyrus in Deltarune.
>>729399046>momgrave lost>when there's 3 whole chapters left
>>729398854>finish off Eram and picking the Shadow Mantle>walk out of the console room>petrified Ramb is gone>a tiny spark is at the floor in his place>you go check it>(You got ShadowCrystal.)Would have redeemed it a little for me after how lame this was in the end.
>>729399046Firegrave sisters..
>>729398916kris likes it too>tries to stop us from being mean to susie and ralsei but no one elsewhy are they so precious to kris?why can't we weird route the goat and susie?
>>729398916Im genuinely excited to see how evil we can get in weird route, to the point that in comparison I really dont care about the other aspects of the story unless they feed into that already. I care more about how the twisted sword will fuck with Kris than I do about Dess' mystery or whatever Friend/Mike is.
>>729399287susie is too much of a protag, and ralsei already knows about your true nature.
I will never stop loving her
>>729399130For stuff like that we would need 10 chapters, 7 makes things kinda tight
>>729399336ralsei knows but he wouldn't do anything to stop it>that is a bad choice
>>729398684>picked pie, because he toriel warned him to not eat the entire pie by himself again and he did so again between chapter 1 and 2>appearantly it was a trick questionLol I didn't even know he liked chocolate until chapter 4
>>729399184I hated Firegrave since the start, but making fun of it in-game would have been completely tactless.Avoid referencing the fandom in the game Toby, you just can't read the room.
>>729399453she smiled when she got the ringit was cute
>>729399453The PARALLELS... the TRAGIC ROMANCE...
>>729399313>>729399287Sacrifice the innocent
>>729399389I remember a few moments, the bunny QC gives Kris chocolate in chapter 1, and when you give Noelle chocolate, she shares it with Kris
>>729399496>>729399453Do what must be done
>>729399313>>729399453>>729399557Can't wait for ominous_worst.ogg to play in ch5
>>729399046Momgrave was the biggest theory everyone turned on despite being mega popular pre Chapter 3. Predicted the next theory people will make fun of when Chapter 5 comes out despite most believing on it.
>>729399342He could be a secret boss in a future chapter. Toby has to be teasing him for a reason.
>>729396829Biggest fear of chapter 5>Asgore is completely on the wrong>having to sit through another fucking ferris wheel sceneBiggest Hope>John Flower chapter boss>Schizo Flower secret boss>any variations on the previous two as long as the vibe remains the same>just some goddamn cozy overworld exploration for once
>>729400313sans on the right!
>>729387578i hate japan so much
>>729397598I would rather have Susie be with Berdly and rise kids like trad wife than become a sad sterotypical butch lesbian
>>729400402Nah, that's me
>>729399990a lot of people made the guess that toriel would be sleeping the entirety of ch3 because it would be funny, which turned out to be truethe biggest character curveball was undyne actually showing up, a lot of people thought it would be napstablook instead
>>729399453they are LOVING it btw
>>729400475Fair if you are just a homophobic chud.I am one, too.
>>729399990Frankly I don't even know what's popular right now. I've only seem the most straightforward guesses and interpretations so far.What we have now is nowhere close to the borderline schizophrenic creativity from the chapter 2 days.
>>729400532Napstablook and sleeping Toriel were contrarian theories. It's just one of them was right.
>>729400567remember when people (or like one guy at least) thought (We) were going to be using that cup nigga as our vessel
>>729400615I've started basing my theories around "what would take the least screen time away from suselle" and haven't been wrong yet
>>729398007basedI hope we can sabotage SansxToriel date so that Sans has to return hom and Toriel can be alone with Asgore and maybe they dance instead
>>729400695examples?
>>729400215I just hope the flowers give us an insight at how the human children in Undertale were like.
Threesome with Toriel and Asgore
>>729400781You're setting yourself to disappointment with this line of thought. This is not how Toby writes his stuff.
>>729400781toby wouldnt risk making the monsters look like bad guys by bringing up their victims more than he has to
>>729400770napstablook would have been ineffectual, but still present, so undyne was written to show up instead so she could be conveniently locked out of the plot for a while and thus not be present at the town fair thing, where susie wants to go on her make-carol-angry date with noelle (and would otherwise run into Undyne who has a warrant out for her)
>>729399184What about AirGrave and EarthGrave??
>>729400850>t. alphys
>>729399339>she was originally planned to be a human goddess from Breath of Fire 3
>>729400875wasn't there already some evidence eof that being the case with the water people in ch. 4
feel like toby has too much open plot points to truly resolve them, I have fear that the ending might be a disappointment
>half-way mark has been attained>but it says at the end of ch4, which would mean there are actually 4 chapters left, not 3i'm retarded? i dun get it, or does the mark refers the ch4 completition in the chapter selection screen
>>729401094Uh, what?
>>729401142>The Bluest Flower,>A disciple of my speech>Shy to no camera,>And a specimen of>Elegance and kindness.>Should you meet,>Please give my regards.Tying Kindness to blue straight up contradicts the blue soul being Integrity.I'm just hoping they're all characters and aren't ONLY Asgore exposition machines.
>>729401237no one knows what toby is going to do, welcome to the ride
>>7294012373.5 is the halfway point so it is correct in a way
>>729387191Logan is the only one samefagging here
>>729401190The ending is quite literally a fever dream, I wouldnt expect it to answer anything. He's writing the questions after deciding the answer
>>729401190let me tell you about Homestuck
>>729401237My headcanon is that 5, 6, 7 will all be fairly chunky chapters, hence the halfway mark stuff. Still weird though
>>729397787What you're describing is an issue with practically all fanart for Toby's games. Susie gets turned into a muscle babe with huge tits, Alphys becomes a thick nerd with huge tits, Toriel becomes a pagan fertility idol with huge tits, etc. Even Sans gets prettied up fairly often.In fact, it's an issue with all fanart.
>>729388000Noelle learns what displacement is and finds out that her love for Susie is displaced love for Kris. He's the source of all of her fetishes, and everything she likes about Susie, she liked in Kris first.
>>729401872it was forced...
>>729401858I mean, its just the nature of the... minimalist art style? I remember toby talking about he intentionally makes the art kinda goofy so its consistent. Like if someone was suddenly way too high quality it would break the style of the game.Obviously deltarune made him change that a little but he still does it there.
To the anon from last thread that was asking what chapter 1 would have that only Kris and Noelle would know about, this >>729401394is the answer. King and everyone from Card Kingdom are characters only they would know about, and if we assume that Kris did not make the chapter 1 fountain, then we can reasonably guess that Noelle may have made it. The presence of a Bibliox in chapter 3's dark world also tells us that all of the darkners from chapter 4 are also almost certainly characters that were created by Kris and Noelle, and we know Kris could not have made the chapter 4 fountain.
>>729401872Noelle is sacrificed to help us achieve our goal of murdering everyone. Then with our goal complete we finally release Kris from our control leaving him behind in a broken empty world where everyone he ever loved is dead.
>>729400685Sounds more retarded than the usual theories.
>>729402132Dod noelle recognize queen as the antro version of her laptop she made up as a kid?
>>729400875Nah. I am filled with HOPE since the blue flower already sounds like a ballerina.
Did you know?
>>729402334
>>729402313She doesn't seem to, but I would assume it's part of the game she's playing. Whoever made the dark fountain in chapter 2 made sure Queen could see them making it without knowing who it was, and if it was Noelle it could have been so she could play out her LARP with the Fuck Squad.
>>729400962Toby already blames that solely on Asgore, who he is willing to portray as a bad guy.
>>729402334>>729402406tl;dr?eat shit FAGGOTS
>>729402324Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
>>729401387Who the fuck is Logan?
>>729402324I'm just warning you to not hurt yourself.My expectations were quite low and tobert still managed to underdeliver.
What the fuck was her problem?
>>729402120Toby also approves of you making his characters look better, too.
>>729402572I never believed in Kris genocides.
de/ss/ex sexoo
>>729401313
>>729402334Whatever all this says, I guarantee Toby "Exactly 14 Teeth" Fox didn't think about it.
>>729402941I dunno, he's not cartoonishly edgy but you can still make the argument he's fucked in the head. In the same way Noelle enjoys the weird route, he might too deep down inside.Its what makes him seethe with rage, that a part of him liked it. Can you truly tell me that he couldn't have intervened in chapter 2 if he truly wanted too? I find that hard to believe. But it isn't 'him' doing it, so he can justify taking a passenger seat as all this horrible shit goes down.
>>729402941When you help Kris commit genocide you are helping him fulfill his purpose and his desire.
>>729392881>>susie and noelle interactions? Can easily be skipped and you have to go out of your way to listen to them (also aren’t there for the weird route)A fallen tree still makes a sound even if nobody is around to hear it.
>>729401394Kris played with Dess.
>>729402724>kress post>inane, time-wasting rhetorical quesitonlick clockwork
>>729403112She's a motherly goddess to me
I guess her hooves are blue too, right?
>>729403134QC SEXO
why is she so autistic
>>729403242That makes no sense with what we know about Kris and Noelle.
>>729403229I am hyped to finally kill Ralsei and Susie just like Chapter 1 edgeCHADS predicted.
