What went wrong with Bethesda?
>>729392876the xbox and consolefags, or at least the financial incentive to appeal to them by casualizing their games
>hiring Emil Pagliarulo during Morrowind expansion development >sidelining Michael Kirkbride >everything about Fallout 4>making a multiplayer Fallout >getting bought by Microsoft>everything about Starfield>refusing to fix the issues with Gamebryo like bad facial rigging, NPC limit, loading screens
They got huge because they were one of the few companies making open world games in an era when that was still a novel concept.They were never the best at stealth, combat, quests, etc. They were big games made up of a lot of mediocre elements.Now every game is an open world game so their big unique, selling point is no longer unique and the mediocrity of the rest of the game is becoming more apparent.
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>>729392876they got bought by ms and stopped caring. all the execs have more money than they know what to do with and ms will pay everyone else for a decade to do nothing, like they do with every other company they buy. everyone is effectively retired.
>>729392876They spent too much time and effort on settlement building in f4 and now they've tricked themselves into thinking the current audience wants that
>>729392876>low fantasy enjoyer marketer fags who are scared about weird high fantasy stuff took over the company, all the weird high fantasy stuff in their games is basically left over lore from 20 years ago>pivoted to a game design philosophy where the player has less choices in favour of a more hand tailored and on rails story game, in a game series whos whole allure was getting to "live another life" and pick between many options on how to play>dumbed down their games to insane degrees because they want the lowest common denominator to be able to enjoy their games, dont have enough depth to the games/stat system is fucked up so actual gamers get bored of the gameplay
>>729393563>time and effort on settlement buildinglol all they did was plagiarize rts mod for fallout 3.
Stupid consumers who fixed their abysmal software for free after paying full price for a broken product.
>>729392876Memes, hating BGS became popular because of:>le funny Todd memes>le funny Engine>le funny YouTubersHard pill to swallow, bitch about it, cry about it, ironic post about it, but you all know im right.
>>729393872ThisA lot of the Bethesda hate is justified but it’s overwhelmingly forced now by cultural momentum to hate them
>>729393524>>729393440I'm all for shitting on MS but Bethesda's downfall started long before MS was involved.Fallout 4 and 76 happened while they were still an independent company.And most of Starfield's development was while they were independent as well.
>>729393045>>refusing to fix the issues with Gamebryo like bad facial rigging, NPC limit, loading screensDon't worry anon, Bethesda is working on fusing Gamebryo 2 and Unreal Engine 5 so every problem is either going to be fixed or everything will get much, much worse.
>>729394081they were never independent lolzenimax owned them, id, arkane, and machine before ms came calling
>>729393872No they have just reached the point they can't keep out running the people they've fucked over every time they've dumbed down there games. Witch they have done every game they've made. Its to the point even normies have found that most there game are shit at this point. Doesn't help every time they update one of there game it breaks. You are right bethesda hate has become a youtuber genera but that's because bethesda shits on any good will you can have for them faggot.
>>729394301What does that have to do with blaming Microsoft for the fall of Bethesda?Very low IQ post.
>>729393045>like bad facial riggingWhat was bad about it? If anything, Starfield NPCs are the least janky looking ones in all of their games when you're talking to someone, with less jarring transitions between emotional states compared to Skyrim/FO4.
>>729392972Bethesda games were always extremely simplistic games made for extremely casual players. Bethesda doesn't do combat. Combat in Bethesda games has always been childish. Combat in Bethesda games is the same level of complexity as Minecraft combat. Quests are simply "Go to this marker, find this thing, bring it back to me at my marker". That is not due to incompetence. It is due to the fact that Bethesda designs their games exclusively for the largest segment of the consumer audience, and that is the low-IQ, low-skilled, ultra casual player whose most recently played games list includes games such as Mario Odyssey and Splatoon.
>>729394923It's retards thinking that facial rigging is something engine specific and not how the developers decide to rig the faces in Maya and auto generate the face animation in Faceware or whatever equivalent.Very little of the facial rendering problems in Bethesda games are Gamebyro/Creation Engine specific problems.Protip: Dark Souls and Oblivion use the same facial generation middleware called Facegen.
>>729392876they failed to innovate. Studios like CDPR totally eclipsed them. Compare Witcher to Skyrim or Cyberpunk to Starfield (launches aside), it's not even closeBethesda is still making the same janky trash from early 2000s and it's not acceptable anymore
>>729394939Daggerfall and Morrowind didn't go for the "largest segment of the consumer audience" you fucking retarded vaccinated fucking zoomer fucking idiotPut your COVID mask back on you lobotomised fucking moronYou were raised by a single mother and its easy to tell
>>729395231>these games from 25 years ago are representative of how Bethesda has designed games for the last 20 yearsMan this thread really attracted the Olympian level retards.
>You get what you pay forIs the thesis of Bethesda. Microsoft buying them and expecting even more for less was their coup de grace. Everything Starfield and on will be a shitshow.
>>729394939they were simple but at least they were decent RPGs. starting with morrowind they became casual to a fault. tiny linear "dungeons" that you don't need skills to navigate and no consequence in the systems or awful mmo quests.
>>729394415Who have they fucked over and how?>Oblivion was a banger>FO3 was a banger>Skyrim was a banger>FO4 was a banger, despite lackluster RPG systems>FO76 had a rough launch but recovered and is a banger now>Starfield is the most polished banger of them all. Exploration is weak, ill give you that, but 2.0 aims to address thatStop acting like they took your lunch money.
>>729395364genuinely yes everything they've made for 20+ years has been morrowind but for even dumber consolefags.
>>729393375Basically this, though it helps to clarify some things here. Bethesda's games from Arena and Daggerfall up to Skyrim got by on their novelty and charm, not so much their polish and depth, and the lack of polish and gameplay depth only got worse as time got on, the charm went missing and the novelty is gone now that the rest of the industry caught up to them. Starfield has proven that without relying on the works of developers from decades ago, they don't have it in them to make another famous IP. Starfield is the video game equivalent of stale rice crackers., there's nothing charming or impressive about it. Even Nintendo was capable of making much more technically impressive and charming open world games than Starfield on hardware less powerful than my phone which is pretty pathetic.
>>729392876too many jeets
>>729392876I think we started to see Todd on stage more at e3 and games shows because he was trying to sell himself and the company for a long time. most of the good talent had already left during the development of Skyrim and I think Todd realized how incompetent the crew is during the development of 76. he doesn’t care anymore and wanted to cash out as close to the peak as possible. microshart is making things worse but nothing outside the realm of possibility that was already nubethesda. we can see the modern corporate atmosphere infecting the writing and aesthetic though. I am diagnosing this case as terminal and inoperable.
>>729396075>FO76 had a rough launch but recovered and is a banger nowOne of the rare times a trans developer actually did something good. Guess they found the right autist to hire to unfuck that game post-launch.
>>729392876it was never good
>>729392876Starfield showed them that their fans, in fact, do not want an RPG. They also, in fact, do not have an Xbox or want to play their games on Xbox. Finally, they do not have PCs (or at least PC worth a damn since even Steam shows their Steam Machine will be better than 70-80% of PCs based on literal Steam usage data).Bethesda fans want action adventure fantasy sandbox games. They would love an open world Skyrim with very light RPG elements that are basically inconsequential and don't impact any aspect of the game.
>>729392972/threadOblivion was the beginning of the end
>>729398858>Starfield showed them that their fans, in fact, do not want an RPG.huh?
>>729392876They lost their ability to tell a good story. Morrowind's MQ is legendary. Oblivion's MQ is pretty good, even underrated, but after that they lost it. FO3's story is shit. Skyrim's story is by the numbers 6/10 average. FO4's story is shit. They lost some key writer/story-crafter in their team.
>>729398858bro you must be in school for marketing because that’s the most unfounded thing I’ve read today
Believe it or not, timmycoded jankslop has a limited shelf life when your population dramatically changes.
>>729392876It was always deeply flawed. We just got more critical over the years.
>>729392876They took over a decade to make a new game in their flagship series, and the only one they make that I care about.
>>729399215every game is jankslop so this is not true
>>729399108FO4>WAA WAA VOICED PROTAGONIST>LUL 4 DIALOGUE CHOICES>JET DIDNT EXIST BACK THEN>LUL SHAWN AND THE INSTITUTEStarfield>ok we listen to the feedback>no VA>more dialogue choices>plenty of skill check>LUL STARFIELD BAD>FIRE EMIL LOLOLOL
>>729400087>more dialogue choices
>>729400253I HATE NEWSPAPERS
>>729400253god this is embarassing
>>729400087Imbecile
>>729392876These niggas are still making games as if fallout 3 and Skyrim came out last year. They're game design philosophy hasn't really seemed to evolve with the times so you still end up with the games struggling with the same issues despite the technology getting better.
>>729400087Pretty much. It's exactly why I hope TES VI is Skyrim 2 just like everyone wants. More stripped RPG aspects for purposes of "accessibility", more of a "fantasy action adventure" game, just more of exactly what they ask for and go balls to the walls with it.
>>729393524People have opinions about pre-Zenimax, pre-MS Bethesda, but this is the truth. Todd made it. He sold the company to the most valuable buyer in existance. He won. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim will still exist, and some Fallouts too. But he and everyone that made it this far (RIP Soule) will get mega paid and never have to work on a central design document again. Phil is high as hell in his office. Satya doesn't even remember buying them. A bunch of indians will put gether a Fallout Scrools 5/7 in the next few years and some H1B in Redmond will hype it on these boards next year. But Todd made it. He's done.
>>729392876never optimized their games made them barebones gameplay and animation wise then shit the bedfallout 4 was the last good game they made and its only good with mods lol
It was over for Brapthesda the second they decided to not let me breed Serana in Skyrim. All downhill for them since.
>>729393045It's insane how lifeless Bethesda characters look, feel, move, and act compared to even low budget third world game developers now.
>>729392876Microsoft>>729393440This, it happens before and after acquisitions. It's amazing how they're somehow worse than even Sony of all companies.
>>729394081It started because of Microsoft, dumbass. Microsoft started doing the same shady, well more shady, shit Sony was doing in Japan, getting close with third parties during the 7th gen and telling them to do greedy ass things with DLC while also telling them to staff up and become corporate. Acquisitions are just icing on the cake.
>>729393375Rockstar and GTA is the same case but they are still at the top of open world action despite the ancient mission design and not doing anything particularly well except for the third party ragdoll engine and autistic polish to everything
>>729394081When exactly was Bethesda's downfall, then? Because they credit Microsoft and Xbox in the intro theme in TES3 from 2003.
>>729401441wdym the same people are making them at bethesda
>>729401794He's an Xbot, ignore him. Like Snoys, those retards will always try to take the blame off the stupid brand they shill. Sony and Microsoft are the cancer that caused the downfall of gaming, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Snoys and Xbots need to fuck off.
>>729400087Starfield had better dialogue options, and that was the least of the game's actual problems. The actual problems were the illusion of choice on most of the quests, and the garbage combat.
>>729392876I don't get why didn't they at least copy the quest design from New Vegas as a proven working concept if everything else in the engine is fucked
>>729392876Bethesda are obviously forbidding their developers to fix bugs in their single player games, and just focus all development efforts on their 2 MMOs.
>>729392876Nothing because they've always been hacks.
>>729392876Indians.
>>729402382>Ilussion of choiceName one RPG that isn’t isometric with dogshit gameplay, that doesn’t have this problem>combat badShooting feels great, very respectable for an RPG, and I’m a unc status, Ive played the Halos, the Killzones, The Dooms, The Quakes. Its fine for what it is, an RPG. Now melee does feel weird…
