beat this game twice and dont remember a single character or part of the story

>Half the game sucked, 9/10, btw I didn't understand the story
Wow.

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>always want to play fft because people hype it so much and I love ffta
>story is generic fantasyslop
>job system and grinding is trash
Bleh, I get 2 levels in and give up and go play ffta again.

>>729394258
After the halfway point it is less about political intrigue and more about slaying god(s). Is Tactics Advanced still holding up today? Might as well give that a god.

Is the Ivalice Chronicles better than the original?

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>>729393828
>mfw Delita went on to be one of the best kings in history

>>729394664
As far as I can see there isn't much competition in that race, Ivalice is a war torn shithole.

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>>729393828
Now go and play Tactics Ogre if you haven't.

>>729394467
Holds up to me, the story beats hit hard, protag is a sociopath.

>>729394779
wasn't fft basically matsuno putting a ff skin over that game?

>>729395113
Yes but that's honestly the best you can get out of square-grid elevation-displaced turnbased tactics, so copying it makes sense.

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>>729394258
>ffta is not generic fantasyslop

>>729394258
>ffta
story was average. I wanted edgy to r-e girl, but nothing

>>729394258
>story is generic fantasyslop
>He says, while posting FFTA which literally turned Ivalice into generic fantasy when FFT was more grounded fantasy
toppest kek

>>729393828
Just beat it for the 6th time recently.
I found the voice over black text saying "Ramza is definitely alive btw" kind of jarring, but aside from that, one of square's better remakes

As for Delita as he shows in almost every scene he's in, he is willing to kill anyone who gets in the way of his grand goals. After Tietra died he decided he can't let emotion get in the way anymore.

That said, I only realized after this playthrough that he never actually knew about the Lucavi plot until Orran wrote about it. Which well, you know how that ended.

>>729394258
>Story
Am I the only one who can't take FFTA's story seriously because it's like 8 year olds upset about the most pointless shit and heavily implied that actual people are suffering because no one is willing to tell a kid to get over himself?

>>729394549
It's different.
Gameplay wise I prefer it over the original.
The few story changes I'm torn on, since it feels like it's removing subtlety where it existed before, but FFT was never the most subtle story.

>>729395630
A storybook-come-to-life world where the government is ruled by a child who literally enacts playground rules (i.e. the law cards) into society that are upheld by knights is "generic fantasy" to you?

>>729395841
>Am I the only one
No, reddit, you are never "the only one" who has a retarded opinion. Most other people at least have the intelligence to understand the context of the story and can accept it at more than a surface level, though.

>>729395407
>>729395630
Listen I can name 1 million pieces of generic fantasy shit.
10 thousand of generic fantasy isekai shit.
And only 1 where the protag's objective is to destroy reality and kill everyone inside to go home.
>>729395841
That's the fun part, everyone is telling you to get over it so you decide to systemically destroy everything they accomplished in the fantasy world to prove it's worthless and they need to go back to being crippled and having alcoholic fathers because they ain't shit in the real world, and they ain't shit in the isekai world. And that's your best friends and blood brother!

>>729396000
You're describing the plot, I'm talking about the setting. Ivalice literally changed because of FFTA into being more generic. You went from FFT and VS. To everything FFTA introduced. Even FF12 is just based on FFTA. To deny otherwise is cope.

>>729396000
It's one of the most generic worlds to ever be featured in a final fantasy game, and that's saying something.

>>729396065
Don't be a dumb dumb.

>>729396128
I more meant the little kid who read the story book needing to get over his mommy issues.
Marche was 100% in the right to call out how stupid the game/setting was.

>>729393828
reflex

>>729395113
Yeah, and that's how you know Tactics Ogre is better since it was the original.

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>>729396213
The storybook thing is at best a framing device, not even really a setting or theme, definitely not "story" the story is in the book.
People love that shit, expedition 33 did it and it's the best game ever or some shit.
>Marche was 100% in the right to call out how stupid the game/setting was.
Fuck you I want to fuck bunny girls

>>729396202
It's a shame too, because we know pre-cataclysm FFT was airships, moogles, and magicite land, so it'd be easy to have a game that takes place before the coming of St Ajora and the Zodiac Braves, in a high fantasy land where the antichrist is just around the horizon.

>>729396213
>Marche
One of the three horsemen along with Verso and the leader, Battler Ushiromiya. It's not real. It's escapism. You need to leave.

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>ramza does everything to kill retarded demons and stop apocalypse
>scriptures get you hanged
>ajora still jesus
>stones are harmless relics
>lucavi? no idea
>ramza? probably still a heretic
>delita? lol
sucks being ramza but at least he got to hit both alma and agrias

>>729396213
>It's one of the most generic worlds to ever be featured in a final fantasy game
What, the fact it's an isekai places it well above the mainline FF in terms of setting and narrative.
The fact the plot isn't just
>I'm an angsty child
>I made some friends
>I stopped the evil king
>Now I have to kill god
Is craaaazy

>>729397002
Don't forget Olan died because of Ramza, tough shit for him

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So, the XIV version of Tactics is the 'Happy End' one where Delita doesn't turn out to be a huge piece of shit in the end?

>>729397002
The truth won out a couple hundred years later though

>acktually delitia and olivia and ramza and alma all survived and lived happily ever after
>mfw they do the exact same bullshit with ff7
what's with square enix being PEAK retard after they create something?

>>729393828
To this day, Delita is a character that pisses me off to no end.

>>729397315
That's just matsuno being matsuno he's always been that way

>>729397204
Incredibly gay, just like the CODA of Tactics Ogre. Matsuno should just let his world rest rather than tying everything with a neat bow.

>>729397315
matsuno is a hack fraud that sometimes produces unintentional kino in a moment of lucidity
Bozja confirms this

>>729397204
where does it say that? only Ramza's party and Orran know the truth and he got silenced. He should have fucking used galaxy stop with these church niggers

>>729397002
none of it actually matters.
only ultima getting clapped back for another millenium or so minimum did.

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Reposting once again

>>729397163
Delita was never a huge piece of shit though

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>>729393828
I'm really interested in getting this game on steam. Never played a final fantasy tactics game, but did play a lot of tactics rpgs on the ds and 3ds.

>>729396202
Ivalice wasn't changed because of FFTA: it was changed because of FFXII. Everything in the game is an advertisement: for instance, Doned's description of the Adramalech fight (giving tips about the game Final Fantasy) in the ending is describing FFXII's fight, not the one FFTA2.

>>729397357
i'm talking mostly about everyone at square also retconning FF7 OG ending instead of it being beautifully left to interpretation it's just "acktually everyone lived kinda happily except my super dark hidden hojo project fucked things up but otherwise everyone lived all happily! LETS GO VINCENT!!!!"
and desu idk what's with square enix. I like FFXIV, FFXVI, and FFVII R but EVERYTIME I see one of the creators in the media, THEY'RE ALWAYS SAYING RETARDED SHIT. WHY? WHY DO THEY LOVE SAYING RETARDED SHIT

>>729397002
>stop apocalypse
Bro doesn't even know about the apocalypse plot until the last 5 seconds of the game. He accidentally stumbled into the demon plot by trying to save the princess. The rest came to him because they wanted the stones he had. Save for his brother, that was them making it personal against him. Then the end he's only still there to save his sister.
He even says himself, he's not a pure man, he's not a holy man, he's just a man who strives to be better than he was yesterday, now give him back his sister or he'll kill you.


>>729397163
IIRC they say XIV's version is a complete alternate version of the FFT setting.
Which is dumb.

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What a great game. Loved every minute of it.
Except enemy units stealing/breaking all of my equipment with zero self-preservation instinct at all. Like they're fine with dying as long as they break my fucking genji mail.

>>729397315
only ramza and alma got to live happy lives because ramza didnt betray his principles.

delita became a bitter controlling faggot who couldnt trust anyone at all and olivia died early too.

>>729397567
My favorite twist of the past few years was FF7rebirth seemingly dropping the time ghost nonsense for the first thirty hours and then suddenly having a giant whale eat Tifa to take her to the lifestream and explain why Time Ghosts are still the fulcrum upon which the story revolves.

>>729393828
because Ovelia stabbed him first
also they both lived btw just a little matital squabble
>>729393973
Dementia-bro, I...

>>729397478
how can you miss the framing of the whole story?
orrans descendant found the papers with the truth in it.

>>729397604
>Art of War spam
Everyone who has good gear has safeguard until I can get them Shihadori.
97% parry rate is the only way to play when you're doing chapter 4 grinding.

>>729397602
>Which is dumb.
Eh, it really felt like Matsuno going back and making a more story book ending for his game. As far as I remember Orran and Alma actually had kids, hence the Garlean Ramza and Alma being related to house Beoulve. Delita seemed also way more cordial and nothing in the final scene of the raids suggested that he was a embittered, controlling man who at best pretended to love Ovelia and at worst planned to discard her at the next best opportunity, causing her to try and kill him first.

>>729396213
>Marche was 100% in the right to call out how stupid the game/setting was.
Counterpoint: sex with brown rabbit women

>>729397639
I don't know why we had to get clarification that "Ovelia died later, of different causes.". Just have Delita kill his wife, it's tragically dark and fits his character.

>>729397639
ovelia actually lived past that moment btw. they had a very awkward marriage.
>>729397673
I still don't like Rebirth. It's a step above remake but now it's pissing me off further since they clearly want to take their cake and eat it.

>>729397449
bozja was peak you're just a retard

I wish the latest remake added a new Delita path and the extra classes
Just feels kinda pointless buying the game for a 3rd time when it's just the ps1 version except prettier

>>729397794
There are late game story missions (including the final dungeon) with characters that have 100% accurate long range break skills and they spam them exclusively.

>>729397891
Having played the Enhanced Edition, I think it's clear that Delita did actually love Ovelia, just he couldn't get over his manipulative ways. Ovelia having realized that, feels the need to show she can't trust him. Orran and Alma having kids feels a bit weird given even enhanced edition confirms Orran died 5 years after the game's ending, so while writing the book he found Ramza/Alma, fucked Alma, then finished the book and took it back to Ivalice and got burned alive for it?
Just doesn't really fit.

>>729397914
yeah that dampens the scene for literally no reason.
the original ending was just perfect. delita ends up paranoid and alone despite making it to kang while ramza gets the fuck out without a title to his name but with friends on his side.

>>729397920
yes and matsuno said she died not too long after that anyways.

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>>729397736
I forgot about fucking alazlam durai yeah. Take this spell quote in exchange for reminding me

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>Game has a ton of endgame equipment with nothing to use it on
at least I feel like a god now with all these poaching equips

>>729398084
All of the Ark Knight fights, yeah, the first few I had safeguard. Admittedly the final dungeon I didn't get to see them because Ramza + Dual Wield + Chaos Blade + Excalibur + Teleport + min-maxed to fuck was killing each ark-knight before they got to take a turn.

>>729397908
Counter-counterpoint: FFTA2 reveals that they were in a gay modern era of Ivalice, not normal Earth, so you can get viera pussy with time travel tomes that doesn't have gay escapist implications.

>>729398147
Hence the XIV version being a more 'fluffy' telling of Tactics. It is by no means canon and your recounting is absolutely correct for the Tactics.

Do you get anything from doing the Errands?
Also, were the Visual Story game books in the original, or just a practical joke by the remake team, seeing that they take a long time and result into nothing?

>>729398216
Still not sure how I feel about gender-locked equipment no longer being gender-locked.
Ended up with everyone wearing ribbons.

>>729398424
>Ended up with everyone wearing ribbons.
Same. I'm happy about it since in most other games it's never been genderlocked either, and it's really valuable to have units immune to status effects.

The most interesting thing about the writing is that Ramza and Delita never end up clashing.
Most other writers couldnt have resisted the temptation of setting up a duel over ideals.

>>729398405
>Errands
Money mostly. The artifacts/wonders are just easter eggs to other final fantasy games.
The Story books were apparently Japanese only in the original, not seen as important enough for later remakes, and add more info to the setting, but serve no greater purpose.
So remaking them is technically more complete, but no one likes them.

>>729398405
JP and gil. The novels were in the JP version yes

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>>729398524
The text adventure books are kinda neat but I bookmarked it and haven't gone back yet.

>>729398509
It's honestly really kind of cool that they both have a strange respect for one another, even though Delita sets Ramza up for life/death situations several times, we keep seeing confirmation that Delita expected Ramza to win each time because Delita has absolute faith in Ramza's abilities after the whole Ovelia thing. The fact that neither of them ever actually 100% know what the other is doing (Delita not knowing about the Lucavi, Ramza not knowing the deep politicking) adds to this weird dynamic they have.

>>729398039
everything regarding misdalja or whatever her name was was fucking retarded and the atrocious pacing completely deflates anything he did that wasn't the wrap up cutscene
even STILL he fucking shat his pants in the ending
>btw the IVth gets completely offscreened unless we maybe want lyon back for something thank you for doing all the duels

>>729397673
I didn't play Rebirth because Remake was ass. What the fuck is even going on?

>>729398424
I had septieme sens on anyone that wasn't holding an Excalibur, because auto-haste is just too strong.

my houses expire next week. do i go back to xiv to renew it? two mediums two smalls

>>729399261
Square enix is just another company that takes advantage of its customers. FFT remastered has been the only worthwhile game they've put out in a long ass time.
I wouldn't count nier automata by squeenix either, they just published it.

>>729398740
Delita taking the Nanten path to monarchy also helped quite a bit because things wouldve probably gone south between them if he ended up taking out Zalbag and Dycedarg.
But maybe that was deliberate.

>>729394467
All of the FFT titles are good in their own ways, but all are also flawed. TO is the same way. No other tactics games come close. If you want an extension of just the battle system of FFT and can stomach mediocre everything else, consider Fell Seal. It goes as far to have mana shield function in the same way.

>>729399551
Given Delita knew the Church/Templars plans he would have known they intended to recruit Dycedarg.
Given the templars also knew Dycedarg killed Barbaneth, odds are Delita knew that as well.
So he very likely planned for house beouvle to take care of itself, because he knew Zaalbag and Ramza would not stand for that shit upon learning of it.

>>729399631
>Fell Seal
>Fell for the meme because people told me it was like FFT
>It's shit in every way except combat
Kind of sad.

>>729399631
i hate fucking tactics ogre gameplay

>>729398248
>>729398084
Were there more meat to the bone, all of those things would be work it. One of the issues of FFT is it's over just as you get going.

>>729399785
>Bought shit with stronk wYmYNn warriors front and center
Your own fault. Buy bastard bonds instead.

Homm3.

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>Sees a group of people wander into his dark cave for the first time in who knows how many years
>First instinct is to immediately give into the Lucavi and try to kill them in his new form
What the fuck was his problem

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>>729393828
is a bit too expensive

is it worth?

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FFTA and FFTA2 remasters with full voice acting when?

>>729400365
He tells you. He senses the auracite, that's why Ramza is required for the fight. He thinks you've come for his, but since he has spent the last decades since he vanished during the 50 years war to study auracite, he wants to instead take yours and do magic with it. He also mentions when he dies that he's denied his place in the dark (hell) so clearly he did something that doesn't allow him to go to hell with the other Lucavi.

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>>729400365
If I was a hermit wizard who just wanted to chill in my permanently dark cave doing silly wizard tricks forever and people kept running in for treasure I'd get pissed off too.

>>729400430
Get it on sale.
I wouldn't spend more than 30 on it.

>>729400493
When Square decides to tap into the elin market.

>>729400430
i'm working late cuz im a singer

>>729400430
TIC is worth every penny.
The VA work and QoL really elevates it.

>>729400628
i don't know about me but i know about you and i like your espresso

>>729400683
>>729400628
>I wouldn't spend more than 30 on it.
$its around 35$ usd in my country, you think thats okay price? considering its square enix

>>729400634
>i'm working late cuz im a singer
what

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>>729394258
I love FFTA but this is just some horrible taste you have, please stop sharing game interests with me.

>>729400493
Never ever. Matsuno didn't work on them.

>>729400909
yeah, 35 usd is fine, the QoL makes the grinding areas far easier.

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>Ramza stormed into Limberry castle, killed Elmdore's sluts, stripped him naked, dragged him to the basement and killed him.
man this guy really is a heretic. Who knows what else he did to the poor guy.

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>>729400956
Hey retard, you just blow in from Stupid Town?

>>729401042
Also turned him into a chicken in my playthrough.

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>>729401080

>>729400909
my give a fucks are on vacation

>>729401080
Based Beowulf Chad

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>>729393828
didnt they make the female knight a feminist here give a full feminist speech too

>>729401821
Never used him before.
He's now one of my favorites.
Also are his damage codes messed up? His Drain attack was doing 999 against some bosses.

>>729401912
She has a few extra lines if you bring her against Gafgarion where instead of silently taking it when he insults her she calls him a boomer for dissing female warriors. Even though her being a Paladin is very much an exception and female warriors outright have worse stats in the game.

>$35 in my country
what country
>>729399402
bump bump bump

>>729393828
theyre all posed like my child when hes sent to timeout

>>729401917
Against Lucavi, Drain can deal 999 yeah
Intentional as far as I know

>>729402117
>what country
Viking country

I liked that Dycedarg was THIS fucking evil without any actual Lucavi involvement.

nobody cares eurocuck

>>729398424
on one hand everybody can use ribbons
on the other hand female recruits are objectively inferior than males

I'm trying to finish this game, the gameplay is fine but the story is so fucking ass I've lost all motivation to play through the last stretch. I just unlocked Orlandeau, how far away am I from the end?

>>729402619
>Orlandeau
You're at the home stretch.
Something like 16 battles left if you ignore all of the optionals, and most of them are "kill the one guy" so they take 0 time.

>>729397002
>at least he got to hit both alma and agrias
wait what? I thought Ramza died like Himmel, Virgin.

I just started chp4 but I already got the gist f it fucking weigraf unbalanced pos

>>729402702
Nice, at this point I just want to see the ending and be done with it

>>729401912
I believe her bio in this version outright explains how her political career and potential marriage failed because of her status as a woman knight.

>>729402837
In the original it was unclear if Ramza lived or died.
In the new one Ramza survives and fucks off with Alma for one of the other nations.
It's unclear what happens with Agrias, but presumably she goes with them since the entire company are heretics and she's too famous to just pretend to be someone else.

>>729403028
IIRC it says
>Older brother died in the war
>Dad decided to raise her as a boy
>Eventually dad saw an opportunity to marry her off
>Her being a holy knight made her undesirable
>She fucks off, decides to be her own person, and has an iffy relationship with her house

ramza dying always felt like a weird gamefaqs theory.
was clear to me that they used the opportunity of the funeral to fuck off and start somewhere else under a new name.

>>729403274
>>729403274
I believe that's about right

>>729401912
how much of a feminist speech you need when literally 2 minutes in the game you can just feel the boss bitch out of her.

I like her as an unit but she's your average modern millennial woman.

>>729403781
is this true?

>>729403864
Play the game anon, literally when she's Introduced in the intro of the game you can see the "I'm a self-righteous bitch" everything after that is just icing on the cake.

>>729403492
All we knew was that only Ultima knew how to escape the necrohol. Olan/Orran being the only one to see Ramza/Alma suggested that maybe he was just imagining it.
I know when I played as a kid that was my interpretation, when I played the War of the Lions later, I felt it was clear Ramza/Alma lived through some wacky nonsense.
TIC confirms Ramza used the stones at the last second, which feels out of character for him. I would think of him trying to protect Alma, and accidentally using the stones to protect his company, but outright calling out the stones for power is weird for him.

>>729403864
agrias? no. just an extremely serious and loyal character.

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>>729402619
>the gameplay is fine but the story is so fucking ass
I refuse to believe you're real.
The story is excellent. If you can't appreciate it, you have something legitimately wrong with your brain.

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>>729394779
I wanted to like this game, but the gameplay is a complete downgrade from FFT. I'd argue even the story is a downgrade, but the Law route has it's moments. The Chaos and Neutral are fanfic shit tier.

>>729403864
When she's introduced she doesn't like you because you're just a low tier no-name mercenary working with a legendarily bad dude. Additionally that bad dude spends the entire intro talking shit in front of the princess, when anyone with a basic understanding of how nobility works knows you don't use the kind of language or tone he used when in front of a lady, let alone royalty. So while other mercs go "aaah it's Gafgarion the dark knight waaaah" she's more or less saying "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, I'm here to protect the princess and I don't care how many people I have to go through to keep her safe."
That's also why she fucks off for a while because she's busy protecting the princess instead of following people she doesn't like/trust.

Other anon is just upset that she has a backbone, and is like the absolutely most sexless female character Square has ever had.

>>729393828
It's funny how FF14 advertised FF12 Ivalice as the raid cross-over of Matsuno, but outside of Fran and 3 areas from FF12, it's a Tactics retelling.

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>>729404015
that one lucari templar says there is no escape but thats so many points of no return in JRPGs where the party still survives at the end its not hard to believe that you can just leave after beating ultima.

and there was that scene where malak gets revived by the stone with zero drawbacks which showed that they arent guaranteed monkey paw behelits after all.
felt weird to me that this was not brought up again after that in the original.

>>729396493
A Neverending Story type deal with these type of characters would be a decent movie.

>>729395841
Tactics Advance makes the main character the villain. It's actually pretty interesting for a JRPG to do that, much less a GBA game.

>>729404227
>Other anon is just upset that she has a backbone,
Pretty much this.
Also Gafgarion was mostly using excuses to get Agrias off the battlefield since he does have a little bit of history with her as her uncle or something and he doesn't want to kill her. So by saying she's a woman and should drop the sword, it's his way of trying to be kind.

>>729393828
i mean, bitch did stab him, fair is fair

>>729396202
Laws are a fundamental part of the setting down to criminals operating out of areas where the law can’t exist and true death is a risk “not part of the setting” my ass

>>729404392
This, OP. If someone stabbed you, and you had a dagger on hand wouldn't you stab back? Fucking pussy.

>>729404294
Funny enough, every playthrough I completely forget that scene exists because it never comes up again.
TIC makes such a big deal out of it, I feel really stupid for not thinking more about it.
Really feels like at some point they actually intended for Ramza to become a holy warrior empowered by the auracite but dropped it for the more human story.

>>729404294
>and there was that scene where malak gets revived by the stone with zero drawbacks which showed that they arent guaranteed monkey paw behelits after all.
felt weird to me that this was not brought up again after that in the original.
This always threw me off as well. It was a "oh, the stones can do good?!" moment and nothing came from it.

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I have tactic ogres in my library too and justbought this game, question is, which one is it recommneded to play first?

>>729404352
Marche is the hero. Everyone else is too busy playing pretend and avoiding their own problems to recognize the evils they're causing.

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>>729397518
I came here to post this
thanks for sharing it before

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>>729393828
I'm trying to play through the Playstation original and I find it an unforgiving game, maybe I should grind more.

>>729393973
>>729394779
XCom is unironically a better tactics game, perhaps the greatest tactics game of all time. But yeah if you want that fantasy groove...

>>729404391
>Uncle
What? no.
Gafgarion wants to get paid. Agrias is paying him to save the princess, he's getting paid by the church to allow the kidnapping. Keeping Agrias off of the battlefield makes him look like he fought hard, tried hard, but in the end failed, getting paid by both parties. The dude likes Ramza, and is greedy as fuck otherwise.

>>729399402
bump
anyone?

>>729404717
x-com files honestly scratches my tactics itch harder than it has any right to, but for story I find FFT the best.

>>729397518
those hands are fucking huge

beat this game twice and dont remember a single character or part of the story

>>729404547
>This always threw me off as well. It was a "oh, the stones can do good?!" moment and nothing came from it.
It at least shows how Ramza could survive in the end.

>>729404453
Probably not. There's no sense in getting another person stabbed. I need medical assistance.

>>729404458
>>729404547
the game making sure to point out that you are collecting each of them even though the lucari themselves dont give a shit about them after their summoning also made me believe that they would be used for more than just side quests where they trigger weird shit.

so I think its alright that they rewrote the ending like that. havent actually played the ports though.

>>729404996
She's still holding the dagger, threatening to push it deeper and finish the job.
You KNOW that you are the only one who can bring everlasting peace to the kingdom.
Do you let her kill you or do you stop her while the wound is still shallow?

>>729405026
Basically Adrammalech and Folmarv/Hashmal both suspect that the reason Ramza has gotten so strong is because his righteousness has allowed the auracite to empower him and his friends beyond normal human capabilities.
Which if it weren't for the fact that humans in the world level up with you, I would say is a clever way of saying "The reason you level up is because you have the auracite"
Then at the end when Ultima explodes and everything goes to black, it has Ramza yelling out "Auracite! bring us back to Ivalice! I beseech thee!" or something like that.
Then the ending plays as normal except for an added conversation between Ramza and Alma talking about going off together to start families of their own without the Beoulve name.

>>729404392
and why did she? because Delita was a prick in all the sense of the word, he used his sister's death to cover for his obvious lack of self-worth and his ambitions.

he used her and Ramza.

>>729405245
Good ending should be Ramza and Alma starting a family

>>729394467
Tactics Advance never held up it's always been a twisted imitation of the original.

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Delitas reign as a "good king" might not even be that impressive considering that all the power hungry people were taken out.
Only the church remained, which didnt lose any influence at all.

Hell, we dont even know if Larg or Goltana wouldve been bad rulers. They were no less scheming and plotting than Delita.

>>729405649
Delita's rise was mostly because it inspired peasants to trust him, and since he had no ties/connections/family he wasn't tempted like Larg/Goltana to trust/elevate people for nepotism reasons. How much that mattered is anyone's guess.

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FFTa2 is the most fun tactics game actually.

>>729405778
this is not true in a world where XCom exists, but ok

if this doesn't get your blood pumping than you just don't know: https://youtu.be/STc6FGDNOL0

>>729405771
>Delita's rise was mostly because it inspired peasants to trust him
isnt that exactly what did not happen?
he went off to work for the church to work his way into the nanten. then in the nanten he manipulated them into killing the fake TGCid and Goltanna to take them over after Goltanna crowned Ovelia, and after that he married Ovelia to take the crown.

He played the political game start to finish and regular people were barely involved. It was nobles all the way.

>>729404780
bump again

>>729406413
X-Com walked so Troubleshooter could run.

>>729402837
The games dont touch on that iirc
>>729403057
>In the original it was unclear if Ramza lived or died.

I dont know how, as a ten year old I was able to put together that they were clearly still alive. They literally go about the nation on chocobos. I have no idea how that went over anyone's head.

>>729406413
>nu-xcom
and I'm not comparing japanese isometric SRPGs to western tactical games.

>>729405778
The combat is better. I much prefer flanking hitting harder than higher hit rate. Still, way way to much quantity over quality.

>>729405778
I barely finished FFTA1
The TA games have about 90 hours of faffing for 10 hours of story.

>>729406725
FFTA2 has shit story but the best gameplay of the 3, it totally worth a play.

>>729393828
Compared to Tactics Ogre I don't like how little focus is on the actual people living in Ivalice. In TO you had the Warren Report to give you details about every single person to stand in your way. I always remember that one Mage from Golyat that literally just wanted Denam's bounty to try and cure his daughters sickness but he falls before you and then that's that. You can only assume his daughter is 100% doomed now and the story just moves forward. I was sorely missing this feeling in FFT where past the first chapter everyone who stands in Ramza's way feel like generic villains instead of real people just trying to survive.

>>729404717
I kinda agree. Aside from random indie games, Xcom has been the only Tactics-style game that keep me in the genre ever since I played FFT on psp.

>>729393828
The UI change and voice acting is unforgivable
I don't even want to play it despite any OP shit they might have nerfed.

Are there even any balance changes or higher difficulty stuff?

>>729393828
Probably the best story and gameplay of any game ever.
The voice acting they added makes it even better.

>>729406935
There's a hard mode, it's mostly just a modifier to damage taken by enemies and allies.
Some changes to job requirements, JP costs. Teleport costs three fucking thousand JP now for some reason.
Math magic got its damage output nerfed, but by how much exactly I'm not sure.

>>729407184
>Teleport costs three fucking thousand JP now for some reason.
Does it function the same way, or is it infinite?
>Mathematician got nerfed
As much fucking effort as it takes to get Maths? Fuck that

>>729394071
Saying you don't like FFT is just a big headache because then all the hyper autistic FFT boomers crawl out of the woodwork to cry about it. I dropped the game mid chapter 4 btw, game over stays its welcome in general and I dropped Tactics Ogre before even really starting it when I saw what it was.

>>729407430
Elaborate on the 'over staying its welcome' as if you aren't just copying OP.

FFT gave me my hatred of isometric viewpoints.

>>729407278
>Does it function the same way, or is it infinite?
Almost everything functions the same. Blade grasp is as busted as it's always been.

>>729407637
>as if you aren't just copying OP
That was the point yes, because I disagree with OP's take on the game overstaying its welcome at the end when I couldn't even stomach the game til the end.

>>729407671
its just not well made in that regard with that hellish camera.
FFTA doesnt have those camera issues.

>>729407184
Can you still just spam shit like Accumulate and Wish to grind and autowin any battle? Bringing JP costs up just seems to make the game more annoying.

Sounds disappointing

>>729407758
Why, Anon?

>>729393828
If /v/ is a "contrarian board" how come they like the normalfag gaems?

>>729406847
It's actually a bit jarring in Chapter 4 when you see poor people just wanting to get Ramza's bounty again.

>>729407805
/v/ WAS a contrarian board.
Now it's a normalfag board.

>>729393828
Can we talk about Duke Goltanna not trusting Cid at all for some stupid as fuck reason? Dude was literally the reason you are alive after the 50 year war and he won't even hear him out. The way the nobles are portrayed in this game is fucking farcical. Where are my goats like Hektor and Leonar?

>>729407801
Because the game is slow tedious dogshit and all its depth is just for show
>have a dozen+ jobs
>jobs determine overall stats
>making only a fraction of the jobs worth sitting in
>others are grind and drop jobs
or
>half the game's equipment is useless crap
>useless crap is locked behind getting into filler encounters and wishing components to drop
>only worth doing for a collection's sake since some of it is outclassed even as it becomes available
or
>game is supposed to have epic 2deep4u story
>literally just some guy going off the deep end because he was born poor
>literally just your typical birth of rebellion and then regime change storyline
I don't even remember what chapter 4 mission I stopped on, I just didn't care anymore, I remember getting Cid

>>729408362
Goltanna was an asshole and nobody liked him much.
Larg wasnt as hated from the looks of it.

Chp 4 is an absolute slog if you are a completionist. The RNG is really taking out the enjoyment of out the game. Good luck rolling for an item that has a chance of appearing on a title which require treasure hunter + ignore elevation if your bravery is not low enough.

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This looks dope but it also looks like chinkslop, idk. Thoughts?

>>729408538
Kind of hurts Cid's character that he was serving that dickwad for so long. He didn't even try to subtly sabotage him like Hektor did to Balbatos in TO.

>completionist
fucking gay and retarded

>>729408845
It's a gacha.

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>729408937

>>729408937
FFT is gay and retarded

>>729408427
I'm gunna jump on a limb and assume you went in too deep for this game to enjoy it.

>>jobs determine overall stats
Unless you're autistic this mechanic is literally ignorable in every FFT game.
>Grind n drop
I've never played a game with a job like system that this didn't apply to. That said some of them are stepping stones, you're supposed to move on.
>Equipment
Is pretty boring over all but who tf is playing jprgs for the equipment menu? But this is the game's weakest point, it is just 'Adventure>Go back to town and upgrade one new dots open up>Repeat'. JRPG lite.
>Collection's sake
Either the game isn't for you or you are def coming at it from the wrong perspective.


I don't know if you can put a book down and have an objective take of the story, that's silly.
Anyway, skill issue.

>>729409161
real men play XCom
https://youtu.be/SeLC55FOUCI?si=uzDhbeCbKnJlWgfD
FFT is low T with it's grinding and adults depicted as featureless children.

>>729409384
X-com bug webms were some of my favorite webms

>>729408921
Its a bit weird, because TG Cid is supposed to be a FRIEND of Goltana.
At some point he says that an Orlandeau knight has to follow his pledge, but they were meant to be closer than that.
Goltana listened to him a bit more when Cid first brought up the refugee crisis so maybe the intent was to make him look more power hungry and paranoid in later chapters. To me he just always came across as an asshole though.

>>729409157
>>729409161
>I force myself to participate in a pointless grind on my own terms that not even the devs intended or acknowledged and I'm not enjoying it. This is the games fault.

>>729409368
I found the gear to be interesting as it made you choose between defense and mobility as an example.
But I was also lost in the stats because I couldnt intuitively tell what damage gear would work the best and I couldnt be fucked figuring it out so I just kept trucking on and it was just fine because the game isnt all that hard.
you also start getting items with cool effects later but by that time it feels a bit too late.

>>729409586
>Its a bit weird, because TG Cid is supposed to be a FRIEND of Goltana
This is why it bothered me so much. Maybe they should have rewritten Goltanna as someone who inherited his role rather recently and it was a family member of his that Cid was buds with and still feels a strong sense of loyalty to despite Goltanna being a shit. Could have had a point about unworthy people inheriting power or something but as it stands Cid just looks like a doofus.

>>729393828
So is it good or nah? Im thinking of buyan it

>>729409586
>not even the devs intended or acknowledged
so the devs did not intend for most of the equips in the game to be worthless garbage locked behind a grind, and they didn't know they were programming that way either?
created by retards for retards I guess

>>729409368
>whoa there buddy don't get too into the mechanics tactics game
blow me
>Unless you're autistic this mechanic is literally ignorable in every FFT game.
so the mechanical depth is just for show
>I've never played a game with a job like system that this didn't apply to. That said some of them are stepping stones, you're supposed to move on
so the mechanical depth is just for show
>Is pretty boring over all but who tf is playing jprgs for the equipment menu?
bait
>But this is the game's weakest point, it is just 'Adventure>Go back to town and upgrade one new dots open up>Repeat'. JRPG lite.
so the mechanical depth is just for show
>Either the game isn't for you or you are def coming at it from the wrong perspective.
I should have rushed through that piece of shit quicker, I agree
>retarded post spacing
>I don't know if you can put a book down and have an objective take of the story, that's silly.
I've seen the ending, I didn't miss much by skipping what was left. It's like walking out of a bad movie at exactly the right time.
>Anyway, skill issue.
cope

>>729411062
as I said, completionists are fucking gay morons.

>>729409586
Ivalice Chronicle was the perfect chance to introduce additional QoL like they did with the ToR. They should have introduced the rewind system or let you keep the loots after you exit into the world map.
>inb4 we want to preserve the original experience for new players getting into the game

>>729411336
>retard just parrots itself pointlessly
by retards, for retards, the FFT recipe

gay retard is mad because he is gay and retarded

>>729411346
the original experience is skipping half the game's content because its shit

>>729411469
>>729407430

>>729411558
damn sounds like you were called gay and retarded many times in the past already.

so both this game and sister fucker ogre have shitty endings? Shan't be playan them ever

>>729411594
>>729407430

>>729411620
yes Im aware.

>>729410061
its excellent.

>>729411663
>>729407430

>>729411604
I can't fathom deciding whether or not to play a game based on spoiling yourself the endings and making a choice only after you know if the ending is good or bad.

>>729411721
if people keep calling you gay and retarded over and over again to the point you notice it, it might be time to start some reflecting.

>>729411731
no happy ending where the hero sits on the throne uncontested = no buy

>>729411845
are you five years old

>>729411817
>>729407430

mindraped the gay retard

>>729411731
>>729411878
>look at me I cannot F-AH-HATHOM being so unintellectual
>Delita, my boy, has died for what he has believed in!! don't you believe in ANYTHING??
FFT- for retards, by retards

FFT and FFXII are the two last FF games I plan to play, I'm playing FFXII now because I don't want to pay more than $20 for Ivalice Chronicles, which I assume is generally considered to be the definitive version now? I haven't kept up. I know it's missing WotL content, but makes up for it in other ways.

>>729411878
spiritually, yes
I tolerate nuanced political bullshit until the end when the hero crushes the remaining yappers and establish a century of peace before the next game

>>729411925
>>729407430

>>729411987
play Revenant Kino on the DS too

>>729393828
this was such a funny map for me.
I rushed one guy into the doorway and he instantly got killed.
the enemies would then have no option to move over the corpse or attack at range so I just raped them with stones thrown over the corpse of my guy.

>>729412232
you can rape this map with a mage and one guy blocking the door, it's really dumb
also it really shows how small the maps in FFT were, yeesh.

>>729412398
FFT has decently sized maps but thats a very small one.

>>729412398
you can't, those guys at that stage hit really hard, you can get away with at least 2 mages throwing shit.

>>729393828
I want FFT2.
No, Tactics Advance does not count.

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>>729393828
>I heccin love SRPG
>>>Oh really? Which ones have you played then?
>FF Tactics
>Tactics Ogre
>Disgaea
>Valkyrie Chronicles
>Trails in the Sky
>and the lastest Fire Emblem gaem
>They are all my favourite

Is there a vidya that can cure this type of brain tumor?
How do I convince normals online that there is more to strategy then just putting a grid on a generic jrpg?

>>729399402
bump again

>>729404717
That one certainly isn't.
Almost every single encounter plays exactly the same.

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>>729407430

>>729414708
>>>Trails in the Sky
nobody considers trails a tactics rpg

>>729414708
>trails
>srpg
Kys retard

>>729396128
>And only 1 where the protag's objective is to destroy reality and kill everyone inside to go home.
FFF class trash hero?
My Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered?

>>729407762
FFTA has one or two maps with blind spots and you can't rotate the camera.

>>729393973
That's what happens when you play with the PS1 translation.

>>729404717
If it is so good why haven't they made another game following this rule set just with more events?

>>729393828
Delita was someone born to common blood but well-suited to the ambitious backstabbing lifestyle of Ivalice's nobility. He lied, cheated, and seized every opportunity to become everything he hated and history would go on to remember him as one of the country's greatest leaders.

>>729418579
>>729418519
>>729418378
>>729417403
>>729415814
>>729415261
>>729415190
can you answer my xiv question

>>729411987
Also play Stranger of Paradise

>>729418796
wtf is with SOPfags? they act like absolute shills

>>729397891
>and at worst planned to discard her at the next best opportunity, causing her to try and kill him first.
I thought the key thing there was she thought he killed the prisoners he set free, so she thought she was doomed to be married to a cruel and injust man.

>>729418936
can you answer my xiv question

>>729418989
No one gives a shit about your question

>>729419158
gcbtw

>>729419158
gcbtw

>>729418842
It's because SoP is soulslop. Soulslike cultists have no shame. SoP is not good at all btw.

Do you guys assign a person to a job when you recruit them that they then train up to? Like I'll recruit Faggot A and Faggot A in my head is gonna be the geomancer, so he traina up to that. And I try to have at least 1 person per job. At least. Is that what you guys do. Also, How much of squire and chemist do you all realistically level up? Just what is needed? Or beyond for the cool higher level abilities?

>>729419926
No, you want your guys to have an assload of skills from a lot of different jobs because there's some good ones that mix and match in classes.

>>729393828
Anything similar? Don't say Tactics Ogre couldn't get into it. Don't say advance doesn't look appealing.

>>729420940
Gungnir (psp game)

>>729414708
>the lastest Fire Emblem gaem
This one's not so much of a red flag any more because the latest FE mainline is actually good.

>>729420940
Tactics Ogre

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>>729393828
Is FFT the most critically and commercially successful "remake" (port/emulation) made in the past few years? There have been countless threads since release about how amazing the remake is. It even won at TGA. If emulators are this financially and critically successful, why don't more companies just release their old properties on emulators like Square Enix? If you have the original ROM file running in an emulator, no one can complain, but since it's "new", everyone loves it.

>>729421684
Persona 3 Reload is almost perfect.
FFT is still missing good content from war of the lions.

>>729421684
Yes, FFT TIC is GOATED and the best Remaster of all time.

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>>729421684
>Actually remake the game in a literal sense to remove technical limitations of the previous releases
>Add denuvo so we can't extensively mod it
This shit alone pisses me off so much that I cannot consider the remake good.

What was the devs idea behind the Wiegraf fight/all of Castle Riovanes?

From
>getting 2 shot by Wiegraf
to
>here are 4 arch demons, best to DPS check if you can kill Belias
to
>the Rapha Guest gets herself killed before you can even act
every single mission felt bad.
Chameleon Cloak glitch didn't get fixed in TIC thank god.

>>729393828
>playing the demake

>>729394258
TRVTH

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>>729404717
Xcom gets super repetitive after a while. I agree it's a good game, but it stops being fun when I have to tiptoe to every location because discovering enemies is tactically stupid. God I fucking hated that. Just thinking about it makes me want to remove the game from my library.

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>>729421654
Tactics Ogre Reboned doesn't even feel like you're raising individual units. You're just steadily getting better ones and replacing the ones you have save for the monsters you might be using. I hate it. It feels impersonal. I might as well just play normal ass chess at this point.

>>729422705
>Forget about rooftop until I'm there
Oh shit, my party is not optimized for this. Oh fu-
>Demon lady races to Ramza who reaction Monks her and she explodes, instantly ending the battle on the first possible move anyone could make
Gee, why does everyone complain about that fight?

>>729394258
>zoomer filtered
Lol sad! Many such cases