>party member is canonically one of the most powerful beings in the setting but nerfs himself and barely uses 1% of his power when fighting mobs or elite bosses
>he doesn't know about the fall of numenor
Its more fun that way. Can you imagine how boring everything would be if they actually flew to Mordor or if Gandalf used his magic to just bulldoze all the orcs, goblins and evil men they encountered?
Are people actually still reading Tolkienslop in current year? Are you all children?>b-but cs lewis said-Don't care (he's a hack too)
>>729407875>yeah guys I could just take this ring with me back to the eldar or whatever but nah you guys die for it instead
@729407937Fuck off Jew.
>>729408001>everyone I disagree with is a Jew!Smartest Tolkienfag
>>729407937>mad at wordskek
>>729407473I think the fact he dies is pretty good evidence that he isn't as strong as you make him out to be.
>>729407473>and barely uses 1% of his power when fighting mobs or elite bossesThat's not what happened when they encountered Durin's Bane.
>>729407473*gets spun around by Saruman*powerful huh
>>729408354He died in battle to an ancient, primordial evil that was one of the top servants to the very definition of ancient, primordial evil. If anything that just proves how powerful he is, when many of these beings fighting each other caused the whole planet to fracture.
>>729407473>GoT and Dune has already been adapted yet 4chuckolds still indulge in capeslop adaptations of literal children's fantasies
>>729408593>GoT and DuneAre both hipsterbait garbage thoughbeit.
>applying DBZ-style power levels to Tolkien charactersYeah bro it would've been sick if Gandalf was all like BLAAAAAAAM and then 20 guys flew up into the air like Dynasty WarriorsHell yeah bro
>>729408291
>Headmate is Hitleryeah it's gaming time
>>729407473Sam is cooler. Level 1 gardener carries the hero when he gets his hands on some unique loot
>>729407937Yes chuds stop reading Tolkien and start supporting young authors of color
>>729407875>>729407958> gets corrupted by the ring.90% of "why didn't they just do this thing" would have resulted in that person being corrupted by the ring and giving it on a platter to Sauron. How you retards either watch the movies or read the books and ask yourselves that "HMM, why didn't Gandalf just do it?" are fucking retarded because it's explicitly stated that he refuses the ring because he knows he would get corrupted.
>>729408593>you must play mature video games approved by mature audiences such as netflix0 independent thought.
>>729408489>you dont understand mom batman has the kryptonite and superman never wants fight him at full strength
I have a hard time believing Tolkien intended LOTR as a Christian story when all the heroes use violence and force to achieve their ends.
>>729408982>>729408354Gandalf and the Balrog are the same tier of divine beings. He's only allowed to use his powers against something like that.
>>729407937It’s a white thing. Those with a white racial soul unmutted appreciate the pinnacle of white cultural mythos that is middle-earth.
>>729408868The good guys only won because he rolled a crit against Shelob
>>729407473>feed all the orc exp to my gandalf>he leaves the story in a cutscene>now I'm softlocked because nobody can fight
>>729409123Tolkien didn't intend to write lotr as a Christian story, and none of the heroes use violence (frodo & Sam). Aragon uses it as a defense mechanism only.
>>729409123Eru Illuvatar’s word is not yet incarnate in the flesh. These are meant to be ancient times before the cross.
>>729409316Speaking of this, why does Frodo randomly spout elvish nonsense during the shelob chapter? Or was it Sam? I forget.
>>729409123God loves holy violence and force
Why did no one realize sauroman was sauron's man?
>>729407473>Defeats an ancient evil>Calls him "nerfed"????
>>729409645Did you rike it?
>>729409645>was sauron's man?Except he wasn't. He was playing Suaron hoping he could usurp him. Had he gotten the ring Saurman would have become immensely powerful.
>>729409645He has 18 CHA
>>729407473>erm he's soooo powerful ACK-tually he didnt feel like saving millions of people, buuut he could but just did not have to cause like that would not teach them a lesson... this is like some jigsaw thinking where someone slaps their wife and they are put in a deathtrap and they have to sacrifice their hand to learn a lesson in being more tolerant towards women.Tolkien also said dwarves were jews and this entire setting is obviously some christkike shit
>>729407473>t. can not even begin to comprehend the Gift of Man, let alone why the Maiar are in human formngmi
>>729409123Vast majority of the time the heroes use violence in self defence. They are being hunted and pursued by orcs and nazguls, and fight back to defend themselves. Frodo and Sam use very little violence (since they aren't trained warriors) and defeat Sauron by supporting each other while they make the ardours journey to Mount Doom. The only fight off the top of my head that was not self defence from the heroes was the Battle of the Morannon, where they fought at the black gate to distract Sauron while Frodo and Sam tried to destroy the ring.
>>729409531holding the phial with Galadriel's pussy juice makes them speak the elven tongue
I like the part where Wormtongue says: "Isengard is our greatest ally."
>>729409837What did Tolkien mean by that?
>>729409645Also one of Aulë’s boys like Sauron. He’s Sauron 2.
>>729409830Using force in self-defense is just as against the teachings of Jesus as murder.
>>729409957No it's not lmao
>>729409957
>>729410032ok yeah but what if it was? That'd be pretty fucked up.
>>729410032It literally is.
>>729410158Nuh uh
>>729409957He told the apostles to take up swords. Also every act of violence in the Old Testament ordered by God was through Christ pre-incarnate as the angel of the lord. This is why Christ says Abraham saw his day and Moses wrote of him. “Before Abraham was, I AM”
FOR BOLE AND BOUGH ARE BURNING NOW, THE FURNACE ROARS - WE GO TO WAR!TO LAND OF GLOOM WITH TRAMP OF DOOM, WITH ROLL OF DRUM, WE COME, WE COME;TO ISENGARD WITH DOOM WE COME!WITH DOOM WE COME, WITH DOOM WE COME!
>>729409123Tolkien doesn't revel in violence the way Peter Jackson does
>>729408890>strawman>implying
>>729410248'Sell your cloaks and buy swords' as the fulfillment of Hosea to count Jesus among the transgressors so he could be arrested. He never advocated for violence in in defense of yourself or another.
>>729409645He was thousands of years old. It's unreasonable to assume someone that's been a good guy for 99.9% of his life suddenly turned evil at the very end. The movies don't really do a good job at conveying just how significant his betrayal was.
>>729410371He literally orders the Israelites to kill pagan Canaanites. Also Tolkien is a Catholic and holds to the Catholic Churches view on this not your Protestant nonsense.
Who's the real hero in LOTR? Aragorn?
>>729410741Samwise.
>>729410769nah he's just an S+ tier support
>>729408893>uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh he just can't do it OKAY?!?!Tolkien and his bastard son were hacks
>>729410408A reoccurring theme of the books is good men falling to corruption, despair or evil because of the overwhelming power and might of Sauron. And in many cases The Ring isn't to blame, its just the fact Sauron commands a seemingly unending horde of wicked men and monsters. The movies make the falls of Sauron, Boromir and even Denethor feel like they're devoid of logic or nuance. Saruman did want to defeat and overpower Sauron but with his own military might and resources. Boromir and Denethor both wanted to save the entire race of men but fell to melancholy and tried to use the ring when they realized all the brothers and valor at their disposal would mean nothing.
>>729410741Sauron
>>729410318Jackson didn't invent Gimli and Legolas competing on who gets to kill more enemies, that's in the book.
>>729409254God imagine how tiring it is to live your life trying to force your annoying racial politics onto everything. You're just as annoying as any SJW.
>>729410580>CatholicThe religion of the third world.
>>729410906That's a lot of words that aren't saying he's wrong.
>>729407473I am filled with whooooo and wheeeeeee
>>729410823Bait used to be believable.
>>729410906not him, but LOTR is VERY European though, no denying that.
>>729410906Struck a nerve?
>>729410906You don't get it dude. Tolkien is totally trad and Hyperborean (at least that's what my tiktok phonk edits told me)
>>729410906I bet you watch blacks chase after a ball.
>>729410842>Sauron is actually doing all this stuff to save Middle Earth from the true Great Evilkino
>>729408893Then he should have just given it to tom.
>>729410906>call out identity politics>>729410946>>729410980>>729411000>>729411054>indian bot network immediately seeks to instigate the thread into a /pol/ flamewarplease remember to report people that you see trying to instigate political debates on boards that are supposed to be about video games! :)
>>729411087Sounds like modern blizzard writing
>>729407473why didn't they just take the eagles to the volcano hur hur
should I buy this set for 50 bucks to expand my understanding of what Tollers writed???
Why didn't they just teleport the ring into the sun?
>>729410741sam, hes just a guy
>>729411320actually you should read the finnish sagas like the kalevala or something
>>729411360It would turn the Sun evil
>>729409802Tom Bombadil joins the chat
>>729407473Does Gandalf do a single thing to qualify him as a wizard in The Hobbit? He's more like an old trickster that knows parlor tricks to the point that he seems like kind of an asshole.
>>729409123This nigga never heard of the crusades
>>729411719He goes off and beats the shit out of ultrapowerful necromancer while the rest of the party is lost in the forest.
>>729411227>actually, jeetskins love whitey and go to bat for him all the timeDo you ever stop to think about how retarded and incoherent your world view is?
>>729411772Oh I'm sorry did Jesus call for the crusades personally?
>>729411780>I was uh...doing something important. Just trust me. No I can't help with this massive battle that's going to get most of the main characters killed. Please understand.
>>729411874Nobody finds gaytheists opinion of religion to be compelling.
>>729411916Well he can also talk to birds and knows a lot of ancient powerful people/things which helps the party out a lot.
>>729411874The pope started the crusades, the pope is protected by papal infallibility which was a gift from Jesus to the church. So yes, in a way Jesus did call for them.
>>729411984Atheists are the ones who love violence and want to kill anyone for any reason they want.
>>729412117According to what dogma?
>>729412168Communism
>>729412168the dragon's dogma
>>729411984It is literally the most basic Christian dogma to never use force for any reason.
>>729412262Slave to a broken order. Dare you look upon the truth?
>>729411916It was only a minor adventure in Gandalf's book, not his top priority. At least until Bilbo found the ring
>>729412369No it isn’t, thou shall not murder means “unless somebody with authority tells you to”
>>729412608>Sorry that adventure I tricked you into going on spiraled way out of control and I did nothing to stop it. Frankly none of this was all that important to me.
>>729413085Gandalf was the only reason they survived their encounter with the Goblin King, and made it through the mountains in the first place. Though, he did only really use illusions magic...and left Bilbo behind...but surely he knew it was for the best.
>>729411801>people never instigate political fights for any reason at all you're just imagining it>you said in response to a reply chain where someone is instigating a political reason for no reason at allkill yourself you stupid gaslighting faggot
>>729413085Why do you expect an adventure to go according to plan? Its not a rigid set of rules and guidelines to adhere to. The end goal also wasn't even something mundane it was literallly:>go inside this dragon's lair and find 1 rare jewel amidst trillions of diamonds, gold coins, bars, rubies, emeralds, sapphire and mithril
Does anyone like the House of Finarfin?
>>729407473Yes and?
>>729411207Tom wouldn't care about it. Someone could walk in, ask him for the ring, and he would have given it away.
>>729414358>Someone could walk in, ask him for the ring, and he would have started singing.
>>729414358>>729414457I think I remember Gandalf or someone saying that Tom would've just left it under a bush somewhere and forgotten about it
>>729410942If you truly hold to Christ, you'll find his church, even if you do have to go to the "third world" to do it.
>>729414087I mean, Gandalf certainly thought the adventure would go according to plan the way he was MIA when a dragon attacked a town because of the actions of the adventuring party HE put together.
>>729407473Died to a balrog and weaker than sauron.
>>729414490Pretty much, yes. Leaving the ring with Tom is explicitly presented at the Council, but dismissed not because Tom would harbor any ill will, nor that they feared it would take hold of him, but rather that its total lack of draw to him would lead it to simply being lost again in the (likely near) future.
>>729407958They'd need a Valar to pick up the ring and none of them are willing to intervene directly after the whole "made the world a sphere" thing.Besides, Sauron's ring is just a transient, local issue.
>>729414575Balrogs, like Sauron and all of the wizards, are Maiar and servants of the Valar.
>>729408708>not liking Chapterhouse Dune's shota vs loli genetically engineered sex battlesI love that no one reads past God Emperor
>>729414713What would happen if an Ent wore the ring? Lots of thorns and poison ivy, or what?
>>729414765Middle Earth is pretty much one of the last few bastions of civilization after Beleriand got fucked to hell and Numenor sank in the ocean. The Valar might live in this gleaming, perfect utopia but everything that really matters is still in ME.
>>729414826The same thing as everyone else, they walk their ass to Moria to tell Sauron the Ring is their baby now and get killed. Sauron takes the Ring and institutes fake and gay funkopop technocratic rule trying to fix the problems of Arda that are mostly his team's fault. In short: the democrats win.
>>729407473Gandalf at 100% power is still weaker than Sauron at 100% power, and if Gandalf started breaking the rules you better believe Sauron would as well.The whole thing with Middle-Earth is with the quiet acceptance that it's somehow within Eru's plan. Even Sauron is not dumb enough to directly fuck with Eru, that's why his entire thing was ruling Middle-Earth with industry, he was probably going to conscript mankind and make them serve him and not genocide them. Sauron in a way was proving himself to Eru just as Gandalf was. In Biblical lore, Satan only defied God to make his point to God. Never in Satan's wildest dreams did he think he could supplant God, he knew he was under him until the end.
>>729414575A balrog is the same race as Gandalf, but juiced up on evil as fuck cum.
>>729414962>Even Sauron is not dumb enough to directly fuck with EruSauron's whole thing is that he thinks he can produce good results that will convince the Valar to take his side.
>>729414826More likely it would lead to a growing of the wood and an invasion of Huorns. You might get lucky, as Ents are slow to act and thus it would take a great deal of time for things to happen, but we also know that the Ents are highly protective of the trees and forests, as it's literally why they were made. We directly see their wrath in The Two Towers, a rage field by vengeance and stoked by two beings far less manipulative than the Ring.Imagine a pre-european Midwest American forest, except full of hostile trees and their keepers.
>>729414150What's that?
>>729409123LOTR is literally just the greatest hits of Christianity vs Islam>Morgoth is Allah>Sauron is Muhammad>Saruman is the bad Jews>Dwarves are the moneylending "good" Jews>Orcs are Arabs>Osgiliath is Constantinople>Minas Tirith is Vienna>The Hobbits are Englishmen because English = good
>>729409830This, its the entire reason that Aragorn killing the Mouth of Sauron in the extended trilogy caused such a massive uproar and debate that still goes on today, its totally out of his character to murder an emissary of the enemy, even if that enemy is evil incarnate
>>729414962>somehowEven the discordant sound of Morgoth couldn't truly disrupt the song of the valar and will of Eru Iluvitar. Sauron, for all his might, is challenged by Shelob and beaten by a dog, and is nowhere near the Valar in scale.Considering Dagor Dagoroth is foretold and part of the plan, realistically Sauron is but another step forward through the Ages of Middle Earth.
>>729415301The house that didn't make the Silmarils or directly fight Morgoth
Redpill me on Tom Bombadil. Is he Chaotic Good, or True Neutral?
>>729415106I think the worst thing is they don't know where the Ent wives are, which shoots down any reason to engage in prolonged conflict. Sure they destroyed Isengard after most of its forces were empty, but Sauron and his monsters include beings that can fight Ents or use fire to burn them all down. Actually I would love to see what would happen if a bunch of mamukil were forced to fight the Ents while Cave Trolls/Olog Hai armed with torches act as support.
>>729415478He's on that good shit too busy chillin
>>729415478He's Neutral Good. He just generally does good things.
>>729415106>>729415541I wonder if "corrupted Ents" would turn on the more industrialized forces, same way they already did when uncorrupted.
>>729415478His boots are YELLOOOOOOOOOW
>>729415613Ents, or at least Treebeard, prove themselves to be extremely vulnerable to manipulation, which is the exact tool of the Enemy and the Ring in particular. Realistically, the only reason Sauron doesn't already utilize corrupted Ents, is that they were servants and creations of Yavana, and thus were beyond his yoke as a servant of Aule followed by Morgoth
>>729415473Sorry anon but I guess I'm an amateur in LotR lore, despite reading the "main" books, because I don't know what that stuff is.
>>729415613or start actively planting trees and then spend a few centuries polishing their wood to shrubberies while contemplating ent wives
>>729410942Now, now, Catholicism at its heart is a very aristocratic religion. That's why it's more preoccupied with rituals than it is with Scripture.
>>729415941The Silmarils are magical gems created by Feanor which shone with the light of the world after the Tree which created said light was eaten by a giant spider (mom of shelob, and eldritch horror from outside of Middle Earth). Melkor, aka Morgoth, was one of mana Valar, each of which were beings which crafted reality through Song and were led by a more obscure greater deity, Eru Iluvitar. Melkor's thing is corruption, he cannot create but twist and reform.Sauron was a Maia, lesser divine being, of the Vala, Aule who held domain over craft and forge and made the dwarves. Dwarves were basically robots, but Eru granted them true life after he reprimanded Aule for creating dwarves, but made them sleep until later because it was too early for non-elves.Oh, also, only men are gifted with death. Its a thing, and its why so many men are corruptable.
>>729415941I recommend playing Sil, it's a free traditional roguelike based in the first age. It's difficult but rather minimalist as a RL which is nice compared to Angband or Nethack
>>729408354He died on purpose He knew that dying defending the others from hellspawn would grant favor from Eru, hence why he was revived and given greater power It was a gamble and he held the cards
>>729414204>Last episode of S1 it's revealed that he could've soloed everyone >Except right after it's revealed that the MC could've soloed everyone as wellKINO
>>729416362>only men are gifted with deathFor what purpose?
>>729417030you will only find out once you are dead and get yeeted out of arda
>>729407473Why does he do that? what an asshole
>>729407473I know this is a LOTR thread, but like OPs trope.
>>729408982I don't know what you're gettin at, because in this context he's Superman holding back
its my headcanon that halls of mandos are filled to the brim with orcs and elves are a minoritylets say we choose to believe that orcs are corrupted elveselves die rarely, rarely have children and have been in decline on middle-earth for thousands of years. meanwhile orcs are numerous and die more frequently and in far higher numbers but still manage to keep their headcount high. souls of elves can't die in the same way as humans can. they are eternal and just end up waiting to be reborn. if orcs are still treated as shitty elves they would end up in halls of mandos as well, waiting for respawn.it is goblin town with a tiny elven minority
>>729417030The alternative is being tied to the world, growing weary with each passing year and age. Fleeting lives who make the most of every waking moment is what mankind is all about.
>>729409531because in the books frodo is like 55 years old and a scholar of the classics who speaks multiple languages, he's invoking the favor of the gods using the phial as a holy artifact basically
>>729415478This Christmas I got into a debate at the dinner table arguing that Tom Bombadil was a good part of the books. Not one person agreed with me but I don't care, Bombadil is kino.
>>729417030Elves don't die, even when they are killed they just pop up in Valinor and, on s single known occasion, even go back to Middle Earth. The gift of death is a mystery to which we don't have an explicit answer, but the implication is that men have peace in death until Dagor Dagoroth, which is the foretold end of days in which the Halls open and the dead return to fight a returned Morgoth.Death being a mystery is used to manipulate men, twisting it from a peaceful and earned rest to a horrible unknown terror. Its why the Easterlings and Haradrim align with Sauron.
>>729417536which means that either orcs are barred from being reborn like the worst shitheads that got killed and their numbers keep increasing in the halls or they all get immediately reborn as new orcs to keep them from the halls which would mean that the valar are partially responsible for the orc armies. that, or like elves sometimes getting reincarnated in valinor, they created some shitty island somewhere that is now entirely composed of respawned orcs since nobody knows what to do with them
>>729407473>Eru...turn off my pain inhibitors.
>>729418014It could also be as simple as Orcs, like Dwarves and Ents, simply cease to be, lacking a soul granted as they aren't the direct creations of Eru Iluvitar.That said, it's impossible to say, both in universe and as a reader, since it's never explained and Tolkien held shifting views on the origins of Orcs.
>>729417967>>729417923>>729417878>>729417749So LOTR is a Christian heresy, then.
>>729418145No. Tolkien disliked allegory and directly stated, repeatedly, that Lords of the Rings was not a Christian tale and no character or concept was direct allegory to Christian concepts. Lotr was written to be English folklore and mythology, and so it shares some common themes to fit as such, but Gandalf isn't an angel, Melkor isn't Satan and Eru isn't God.
>>729418345I wish I was handsome like Legolas
>>729415478He's literally me.
>>729407937>anon doesn't readsad
>>729418145all paganism is demon worship, one way or another
>>729418562Jesus a blast from the past
>>729418562I prefer the Mandalf video
>>729407937Yes. And?
>>729419469
Gandlaf was just messing with themhttps://youtu.be/QIFSR5ji2lo?t=1205
>>729407473GRRM is a fat fuck who will never finish his books, but he was right that gandalf should have stayed dead. It sets the tone for the LOTR being more serious than the hobbit by killing off the strongest party member. You can tell tolkien backtracked on the idea too, since he kind of just stands around doing fuck all after the first book.
>>729417534 He's always holding back unless he's fighting someone on his level or higher. That's the whole point of Superman-it’s not about what he can do, it’s about what he chooses to do. Give him a reason to really cut loose, and you remember real fast that this dude once sneezed a galaxy away.
>>729421815>>since he kind of just stands around doing fuck all after the first book.He's instrumental in getting Theoden off his ass and saving everybody at Helm's Deep and he's the most important factor in the defense of Minas Tirith.
>>729409123Tolkien himself said the point was to make a modern beowulf style story. He never once wanted it to be a christian analogue, and publically disliked C.S. Lewis doing so with lion witch and the wardrobe.
>>729421975The only real rewrite that would be needed is theoden not being possessed and only being tricked by wormtongue. Everything else can just be done by another character in the story.
>>729417923Should have chosen between the willowman or barrow wight plot not both. Tom saving the hobbits from an enchanted sleep twice in like two days just makes it feel like Tolkien had two versions of the same story and didn't want to cut one.
>>729422032Who else is talking down the highest authority in Gondor and assuming control over the defense? Nobody else could.
>>729422143Aragorn, true king of gondor.
>>729422206Aragorn is busy making good on the oath the King of the Dead has. So that'd be another rewrite necessary.
>>729422032Theoden honestly had few reasons to believe Saruman was evil now, since he had been a close ally to his family line for centuries. Grima also at one point was someone he could trust. It was a slow process of worming (no pun intended) into Theoden's mind since he was a proud and staunch defender of his people before.
>>729422206Denathor is extremely asshurt about Aragorn and would have caused more problems. Aragorn didn't even want to enter the city willy nilly after Denathor was dead.
>everyone starts sucking party member's cock because he was related to some dude from 1000 years ago but is currently a bum
>>729422508Hardly a bum. A member of a little known group of nomads fighting the evil hordes everywhere and anywhere. Seeking no glory or rewards, just doing it because it had to be done, then living in the wilderness in between battles. Few things are more noble than that.
>>729422637The joke is that he's still homeless regardless.
>>729407958anakin is my incel goat
>>729422723
>>729422706He's not homeless! He's just...uh...between homes.Seriously though do you count as homeless if you're constantly travelling? Surely not
>>729422782Depends on whether or not you have a home to go back to, which, well...
>>729422782I had a whole IRL example typed out but the other anon makes a better point.
I like the lotro additions for Angmar
>>729422723>Anakin>incelHe impregnated a bitch and had an orange jailbait sidepiece. He was never an incel.
