>looking up a video about Clair Obscure's AI drama>see the iconic lampost that some jeet keeps spamming>also see it's apparently been changedWhy are schizos so dishonest?
>>729439036So they used AI.
The game's probably full of slop. They got caught and fixed that instance to save face. There's nothing special about that asset.
All studios use AI to some extent
>>729439152Correct. For placeholder assets. There's no slop in the finished game.>>729439156Can you point to a single ai texture in the game? There's plenty of posters and other textures that contain text, all of which are clearly not ai, so the most reasonable assumption is that all the textures are handmade and this being in the game was an honest mistake.
no one fucking cares about ai if it is used well
>>729439327So they used AI to develop the game.
>>729439156>AI bad even though I don't see anything badThe Jews are right about goyim
>>729439036>/v/eddit when industry darlings E33 devs ship the game with blatant AI assets: "aww well it was just a placeholder that got patched out :)">/v/eddit when other gamedevs are just mentioned in the same sentence as AI no matter the actual context: "OMG they are RUINING our industry with this SOULESS LAZY AIslop!"
>>729439327No, the most reasonable assumption is not that they only used slop to make the one thing that anyone can spot at a glance and everything else is legit. >>729439441AI slop doesn't say anything about the world or about the person who made it. It is artistically empty. Uninteresting. Meaningless. It also happens to be shit and a scam the only thing we should worry about is the bubble that's about to pop around it.
I'm torn on this because back in the day they'd just use unreadable 64x64 textures for this that might as well be AI. But I don't want to see any assets in a game and immediately know this was mass-generated by chatgpt
>>729439412Yes. I don't see what the issue is since their ai use is completely detached from the finished game.
>>729439807Again. There's plenty of other textures that have text in them, meaning if they were ai, it would be easy to spot. None of them are ai aside from the one example, so the most reasonable assumption is that nothing else in the game is ai either.
>>729439412Yeah, and nobody gives a shit about that.YOU and your tiny group of other non-artist troons aren't people.We have established this already.>>729439526>>729439807>>729439830Seethe some more over nobody giving a shit about your opinion>>729439936its some retard who can't even draw endlessly samefagging.
>>729439978thank you for writing this post to announce you don't care
>>729439852>>729439978If it doesn't matter, why hide it?
>>729439807>No, the most reasonable assumption is not that they only used slop to make the one thing that anyone can spot at a glance and everything else is legitIt actually is. You are an unreasonable retard. That's why everyone stopped trying to educate you and just marched on and left you behind.
>>729440017When did they hide it? By not disclosing it on Steam? As far as I can tell, Steam's thing only applies if there's slop in the finished game. You don't have to disclose it if you use ai during development but none of it gets into the final product.
>>729440017when did they hide it?
>>729440102Enjoy your slopgpt game. They didn't go through the effort of crafting everything in it, but if you enjoy it and it looks good to you that's all that matters. User experience goes first.
>>729440169>When did they hide it?>You don't have to disclose it if you use ai during development
Old french posters like that are in the public domain why couldn't they just copy paste
>>729440169>When did they hide it?By denying it the first time they were asked.
>>729440282because you can't put white women that are even somewhat attractive or slim in the game or the trolls that work in HR will fire you for sexual assault
>>729439412yeah and?
I have no idea why anyone would care that background items/assets are made with AI texturing, when they are background elements that you will never even look closely at. The only stuff that matters and should be hand crafted and spent more time on is the stuff front and center of your focus.
>>729440493>@grok make old french posters that I can use in my modern and inclusive video game
>>729439036slop game deserves the slop treatment
>>729440571>conceded Good.
>>729440624it shows a lack of care and effort that's off putting, why should anyone care about your product when you yourself don't give a fuck ?
>>729439156>probablyAnon, it's unreal engine 5
>>729440764>nuuuhhhh throwing some lorem ipsum text into a CSS they got online is EFFORT
>>729440758an artist was still responsible for the final version in the released game. the AI placeholder is the same as a blank grey texturless wall mid-development.
>>729439036soul vs soulless
What's with negros going nuts about AI anyway?How is this any different from literal Photobashing, sans the fact that you're not doing it yourself?
>>729439036how do french people live with knowing what their country was like before they gave it all up for a chance to clap the germans
>>729440865Imagine believing the "it was just a placeholder" bullshit without further proof. That's a-dog-ate-my-homework-tier.
>>729440764The thing you should care about is the central highlights of whatever is front and center of your game, not random box/cup asset X/Y/Z that was using the same generic textures/substance painter procedural generated texture. With AI it can instead use texture style of your core assets, reproduce that look and keep everything else consistent, and you dont need to spend 10 trillion hours texturing box/wall panel A/B/C and can instead focus on gameplay/characters/physics/writing/whatever.
>>729439327>can you point to a single AI texture Yeah, it’s called Clair obscure expedition 33
>>729440959No one cares they used AI. Cope and seethe
Who the hell cares?How much time do you really spend zooming in on the background instead of playing the actual game?
>>729440959Do you realize how shitty AI were in 2022?
>>729440764They very clearly do care and put in a huge amount of effort. Games of Expedition 33's scale are usually made by thousands and thousands of people. Expedition 33 was made by 30 or so employees, some hired actors, and a few dozen outsourced animators and artists. They could not have made something of this scale without using some stock assets.Not only that, but games even from major studios, and much smaller in terms of the number of assets required, have been using stock assets since forever.
>>729440937They are mentally ill and mindbroken. The average person is an undiagnosed autist who only thinks in black and white.Every program that is more sophisticated than shit made in 2005 is automatically labeled an AI and it's automatically bad regardless of what the actual program is and how it is used.They are like this about most subjects. Once you indoctrinate them into a certain way of thinking there is no coming back. The only way ''AI'' can avoid criticism is if it isn't called that, there are things that would be called AI if they came today like Alexa, deepfakes, instagram filtersAll the future tech has to do is not call itself AI. All the devs had to do was say ''we didn't use AI, we used photogen technology''
>>729439036I will now buy your game
>>729440256Not disclosing it is not the same as actively hiding it.>>729440379From what I recall, they admitted they used ai for placeholders right away and fixed it. That's not denying.>>729441026That's a game, not a texture. Try again.
>>729441235>Expedition 33 was made by 30 or so employeesStop lying faggot, they outsourced game to huge dev team of 300+ devs. They could easily make original assets but decided to cheap out and use AI.
>>729441590We love AI here. You lost your way to reddit?
>>729441423They actively denied it. That's why the indie award got taken away from them.
>>729441423>Not disclosing it is not the same as actively hiding it.holy cope
>>729441590Third worlders aren't people though
test
I honestly don't give a shit if they use AI but for the love of god someone make a game like bully again before i die.
>>729441732>They actively denied it.Buddy, the ai texture thing was already known months ago. If the indie awards dudes can't properly veto what games they nominate, that's on them. Plus that's a literal who award, the awards faggots have been pissing and shitting themselves about are from the dorito pope event.
>>729439036the game was made by a broke dev team of under 30 people, why do you care about this?does it affect the game? nodoes it undermine their incredible achievement that a small indie dev team living off scraps could make a true GOTY that shits all over AAA studios? no.
I find it funny how it was a known fact that E33 had ai generated content in it during the first week, yet nobody cared until now.Really shows how performative all this concernposting really is
>>729441767How is that wrong? Hiding it would mean actively burying it and even lying. They have no legal requirement to disclose it, so there's nothing wrong with not disclosing it.
>>729442392Also the AI tag on Steam wasn't even implemented when E33 released, so it's not like they could have even disclosed it before launch.
>>729439327They 100% used AI for more than placeholder assets, retard. Say it with me. It's okay when Sandfall does it.
>>729442213>34 devs>$10million+ budget>brokekek, actual indie games tend to have less than $10k budgets. The only budget is the dev's food budget.
>>729442459cod 6 had to add it
>>729442712Cod was released in November, when the AI tag was implemented.E33 released in April, when the AI tag wasn't implemented
>>729442494>They 100% used AI for more than placeholder assetsSuch as?
If the AI is good enough that it isn’t noticeable, what’s the issue? The entire game could have been AI generated and it still would have been a good game.
Ultracasualnormalfaggotslopshit 33
>>729442528divided by 34, that's $294,000 per dev. This is assuming that the entire budget went into the salaries, which it didn't but let's assume so for now.The game was in development for 5 years. That means the average salary was 59k/year. That's pretty fucking cheap, and way below the industry average.If you think 10k is enough you are either underage or a jeet.
The anti-AI shit has become a secular religious dogma at this point. People don't even seem to care how AI was used in a development process. The moment it becomes known that there was any implementation of AI is used by a dev, any whatsoever, there's an entire "DEVELOPER EVIL" campaign on social media that follows.
>>729442459Wasn't it added in january? I looked it up and found a Steam news article about it from then?>>729442494They did not until you can prove so.
>>729439036Using AI is like having gay sex. Once you have it, even a little bit of it, even just a tiny handjob from your gay friend to help you get over a bad break up, even if it was the most feminine looking trap or femboy with 0% muscle mass, you’re still 100% GAY.
>game creates background textures by stealing photos of off Google images and source libraries without crediting the original artists>This is fine>game uses AI to do the exact same thing>somehow, this is a problemWhy the double standard for something that’s been standard practice in the industry for decades?
>>729443017The Steam page was added way before that, and it's not like they'd modify the steam page afterwards.
>>729443001You just put into perspective how E33 is decidedly not indie compared to actual indie devs. Good job. There are major businesses run by less than 34 people. Hollow Knight was made by 3 people on a 56k budget, which also funded Silksong.
>>729442764I said cod 6, from 2024
>>729443159Because it's no longer about processes used in development, as much as it is people's coalesced feelings revolving the AI push seen in the last months. Data centers, ram shortage, all things connected to AI made certain people utterly despise the technology, and now some of them react to AI usage like they just said the n word.
>>729443159One has at least a shred of soul and ingenuity put into it. The other is just "computer make me a game".
>>729443159>game uses AI to do the exact same thing Not even that. They used ai for PLACEHOLDER assets. There isn't even any ai slop in the finished game.
>>729443670Even if we assume for the sake of argument that E33 actually contains any ai slop, it's far from that simple. You still need to place those textures and make everything else.
>>729439036The AI looked more interesting..>>729439807We live in a post "death of the author" world. Whatever the fuck I feel in my mind when I see slop is as valid as human-made assets' intent.
>>729439036Uuh buddy that one lamppost placeholder texture put a trans womyn out of a job! Support your artists, bigot!
