I hate it when shotguns in video games turn into confetti guns if your target is farther than 10 feet away from you.
game developers don't know how weapons work irl? whoa
>>729442669I hate how enemies that barely survive a shotgun blast don't get CCed from the impact.
>>729442669You know what I hate?You, OP.
>>729442669I miss them bros
ArmA exists if you want realism
>>729442669there would be no reason to pick anything else for close quarters shooting for most fps multiplayer games if it wasn't the case, since the majority of shootouts in those games are under 100ft apart
>>729442828>You want shotguns to be realistic? fuck off, it's a video game>NOOOOOOOOO SNIPERS SHOULD BE DEATH MACHINES AND NOT SUFFER FROM ANY OF THE DRAWBACKS THEY HAVE IRL
I GOT YOU SENPAI
>>729442669More like 3 feet. Most video game shotguns are worthless.
>>729442906>ArmA is not a video game
>>729442669They lose the ability to penetrate body armor and helmets at 10 feet.
>>729442669He died for our sins
>>729442669realistic shotguns would make every game feel the exact same
>>729442669I hate it when 12ga buckshot one shots army guys 50 meters out wearing kevlar on top of a plate carrier. You noguns fags have made developers shift way too hard in the other direction.
>>729442669>realism trumps game balancejust go play arma or something lmao
>>729442669>shotguns in video games turn into confetti guns if your target is farther than 10 feet away from you.I love this
>>729442669LETS GET SOME PUSSY TONIGHT
>>729443235>>729443350>hits your femoral artery>strikes with significant concussive forceArmor doesn't cover every little bit of other vital areas. Go back to Tarkov you fags.
>>729443452Missed hearing this outro :(
>>7294434832/10 I replied
>>729442669They are pretty good in Payday 2.>shots don't disappear after 5 feet>many types of ammo each with different advantages make them extremely versatile>one pellet deals full damage
>>729443235Apparently body armor makes you completely bulletproof and completely stops the impact of a bullet, let alone a dozen shotgun pellets hitting you in the torso/head.
>>729443559Not an argument. Didn't refute anything I said. I accept your concession.
>>729443586Oh, its your first week here? No one is obligated to dissect your shitty bait, there's no moderator for you to complain to.
>>729443350>You noguns fagsMost devs ARE nogunz fags and have a hard time reaching a middleground. You either get cartoon logic where SMGs are useless past point blank OR games like Tarkov where ammo and armor plating decides whether or not your bullets do damage
Blacks says pictures like these are racistAlso OP no one cares about this old tired shotgun joke anymore, you've never had a creative thought in your life. Get a new bit.
Just use a shotgun with more confetti and minimum pellet count on hit.
RDR2's pump-action is the best shotgun in gaming
>>729443581Buckshot carries the same energy roughly as .38 special. You aren't penetrating shit. At close range the wad is going to do more damage against someone wearing armor. If shotguns were OP then they'd be used for more than clearing doors and launching bean bags.
>>729443715>Buckshot carries the same energy roughly as .38 specialretard
>playing Halo 3>shoot unarmored marine guy who turned into flood zombie with shotgun>he doesn't flinch>he shoots me with same model of shotgun>john halo with his advanced cyber shield and inch thick metal armor instantly dies
>>729443652to be fair, having the freedom to be able to defend your livelihood through armed means is pretty american if you ask me
>>729443768Nice elaboration. The projectiles are roughly the same size, same weight, same density, same shape, and .38 special is flying maybe 200fps slower. For all intent and purposes relating to an FPS game, its the same ballistics. And neither is penetrating the armor you use in a videogame.
shotguns
>>729443847>and .38 special is flying maybe 200fps slower. what does fps mean in this context?
>>729443884feet per second
/v/ has better threads unironically
>>729443884Feet per second
BTW OPs picture is Filthy Franks aka Pink Guy aka Joji.He was likely not even alive during the LA riots where the nogs rioted in Korea Town and the Roof Koreans defended their homes and businesses.
>>729442669i hate how walking through shrubs in jungles doesn't give you shallow cuts that eventually get infected and kill you unless you properly care for the wounds or how you don't constantly get flies and other crap in the eyes, blurring your vision. i need realism, that's why i play games.
feet per second
>>729444000Didn't ask.>nogsNiggers, you sneaky nigger.
>>729442669Just play BFBC2 with slugs. Sniper shotguns were fun as fuck.
>>729443631>You either get cartoon logic where SMGs are useless past point blank OR games like Tarkov where ammo and armor plating decides whether or not your bullets do damageThen you have monstrosities like STALKER 2 with totally nonsensical weapon balancing, where a 9x18 SMG has better damage, range, accuracy and armour penetration than an AK-74 or HK416
>>729443235Body armor isn’t a magic shieldUnless you’re playing tarkov I guess
>>729442669TF2 got shotguns rightAutomatic weapons are unfun slop
Devs need to stop nerfing semiautomatic shotguns
>>729444197Let me know when you get half-way decent soft tissue damage coupled with a pain/morale system outside of a roguelike.
>>729443715>The only physical harm a gun can do to someone is via penetration
>>729444661Do you get a concussion when you shoot a gun you fucking retard?
>>729444698Do you think the kinetic force of a gun hitting your head, even if it doesn't penetrate your armor, isn't' going to be concussive? Do you think being punched in the face doesn't actually cause any harm because the fist isn't passing through your head?
>>729444760>Do you think the kinetic force of a gun hitting your headLol. Its funny that you're actually serious at this point. We equip soldiers with rifles for a reason you fucking retard. Buckshot is not useful against armored enemies. Your 1 in 1,000,000 scenarios with impeccable shot placement are grand fantasy. >Bro just graze his unprotected thigh with your double ought buck to nick him in the artery!You type the of moron to suggest cops shoot should guns out of people's hands, too?
>>729444971>We equip soldiers with rifles for a reasonBecause normal combat engagement range is like 500m irl whereas in video games it's more like 5m.
>>729442669>sniper shotgunNow we're talking about the Lex
>>729445070This might come as a shock to you but soldiers spend plenty of times invading town centers and even besieging buildings. In those scenarios, shotguns are still only seen when they're being used to open a door. Crazy stuff. If you're expecting shorter engagement ranges, you're just given a rifle with a shorter barrel.
>>729442669Well if you have light armor and someone’s shooting you with shotty for balance reasons it should really only tickle otherwise every would just use a shot gun cause you don’t have to be accurate and it’s king of mid and short range
>>729442669I also hate when the players don't lose their control over their characters to run to the closest cover or getting knocked out by any blast for minutes like people do in irl~
>>729444971i challenge you to get shot when suited up and i'll massage your broken ribs afterward as you choke on my dick
>>729442669Fuck off back to /k/, faggot
>>729444971>We equip soldiers with rifles for a reasonWe're not talking about soldiers with rifles who fight at 500m engagements. I was asking you a basic question about physics. Do you think kinetic energy doesn't penetrate armor? Do you not know how bells work?>>Bro just graze his unprotected thigh with your double ought buck to nick him in the artery!You're making up things that aren't in the post because you don't have any coherent points. Just because the shot itself doesn't penetrate your skin doesn't mean the kinetic energy just stops, that force is still moving through you and can still cause grave bodily harm. Houdini was killed by getting punched in the chest, do you think that meant the guy who did it physically reached through his ribcage too?
Shotguns in Killing Floor made me main support.
>>729442669Doom did em correctly, and they ended up being insanely OP.
>>729442669How would you balance them, then?
>>729442669>And then, despite hitting him with a point blank burst, not one shot managed to land. Not one. That filthy shotgun user blasted me away in an instant.>"How'd that happen?">I don't know. But I tell you it's a travesty and an insult to my skill as a gamer.>"Does the game have a flinch mechanic?">Nope. Not an iota.>"Screen shake?">Nada.>"Huh...so I guess Counter Strike 2 is off the list then.">Recoil patterns are *not* conducive toward fair and balanced gameplay, Jerry!
>>729445294Considering shooting a gun doesn't knock you on your ass, I would hope your grade school level understanding of physics would cause you to realize that they don't impart that much force. Yeah, the concussive force from some double ought buck might rock your bell pretty hard. So might a right hook. Or a punch to your sternum, like you said.
>>729445503Would you let yourself get shot in the head by a shotgun while wearing a helmet?
>>729445563If the choice is between 00 buck and 5.56 yes I'm taking the shotgun to the dome 100 out of 100 times, any distance. Helmets are pretty good at stopping pistol ammo.
>>729445503>Considering shooting a gun doesn't knock you on your assThey do if you don't consciously brace yourself for the recoil, yes. Which any amateur with basic firearms training will do, but you still need to actually do it.
>>729446000Its the equivalent force to a mild shove. That's why its almost always women, children, and <5'7 manlets in these comical shotgun recoil gifs. Weird African elephant guns notwithstanding.
>>729442669I think Rising Storm 2 handled things perfectly. They're in perfect form, having all their damage and ranged unleashed to their full potential, and as such they're pretty strong, but they're not unbeatable because just like in real life, automatics are just way more generally useful and can hold sustained fire.
>>729442870Well, the counter point to that is body armor.Shoguns are notoriously bad against kevlar and plates due to the fact that buckshot is rounded balls that are made to distribute the force over a larger area to cause maximum stopping power and damage to the target. However, this means that it can be stopped by bullet proof vests and plates.Frankly, I do not know how a slug would operate given that it is one solid piece of metal, and I am sure that even if you had a bullet proof fest a near pointblank shotgun blast would still probably not be good for your health.I think you could balance shotguns in a tactical game where armor/plates are relevant.
>>729443350I agree you shouldn't one shot them, but even if you're wearing a plat carrier I think a solid shotgun shot to the chest is probably gonna stun you enough that they can get off more shots, and if you sincerely believe you're gonna survive just getting sprayed then it is silly.Really though, the benefit would be if a shotgun user and an AR user fired at the same time, the AR user would probably survive (given the buckshot doesn't randomly ricochet off a plate into his neck or some shit) and the shotgun user would probably be dead.
>>729446341And the way it is now in 99% of games, even "muh reelism" ones, is that the shotgun player gets the kill. So I don't see the complaint. When you shoot someone at range and they don't get one shot but their aim gets punched or their movement gets tagged or whatever other mechanic your favorite shooter game utilizes, thats your "concussive force" from tanking the round. Not to mention they still lost HP.
>>729442669RE4 Remake has good shotguns.
>>729445314Based and same
I hate it when they sound like toys. Blast my fucking headphones.
>>729446690>Shooting a gun in confined space doesn't tear your eardrumsThis is gay.
>>729446851Just stick to playing mario and stop shitting up the thread
>>729446914Quiet, little boy
>>729446914Huh? But I'm agreeing with you.Guns in games are rarely loud enough, I hate loud noises in general it's autism but you should be able to hear a gunshot from very long distance.
>bullet that comes out of gun has enough force to penetrate and kill someone>that same force impacted on the shooter results in just a little recoilWhat was Isaac Newton on about saying all actions have an equal and opposite reaction?
>>729447382You don't really grasp how guns work, do you.
OP is the kind of guy who cries about Hollywood action flicks portraying guns unrealistically. He also never shuts up about how actually realistic John Wick and how Keanu ACTUALLY trained for it. He uses the term "trigger discipline" multiple times every week in his daily life.
>>729447457You don't grasp how English sentences and punctuation work, do you? Stick to the service industry.
>>729447457You didn't answer anything. I'm starting to think you don't understand it either.
>>729447343>>729446851>>729446690[Sad news] You are fucking stupid
>>729443350>12ga buckshot one shots army guys 50 metersIs that becoming more common? I thought every fps was still following COD logic where pellets do no damage after 10 meters. Hopefully we are heading to BF4 870 rapeville with shotguns and stay there.
>>729447382>baseball player throws ball at 150mph>his body doesn't fly back at 150mphwtf newton?
>>729442669Filthy Franku...
ore wa....
>>729451703What went wrong bros?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdO9-s7c3es&list=PLPbWhGHIYAgVfAlBklvILXvHQfhJIgmiw&index=5
>>729442669shotguns would be too OP if they didn't turn into confetti guns at medium to long range.
What happened to Prometheus and Red Dick?
>>729451879Nothing. He could smell the Youtube landscape changing for the worse and bailed before the joke was ruined. He knew when to stop, and that's as important as something happening to begin with. Unlike iDubbz, Joji and Filthy Frank will always be remembered fondly.Same thing with Bizonnaci and the crypto memes, dude knew when to stop before it became old.
>>729451879He decided he needed to do his gay music career and now the world is shit.
>>729452295Prometheus tried to become a YouTuber and it just didn't work out so he resumed normalfaggotry. Red Dick kept reposting pictures of women who sent him pictures of their tits and quietly moved on with his life. If you want something crazy, the midget is the only other one who went on to have any sort of internet career where he does skits on Instagram and talks about being Chinese. Lewis Welt, look him up. He's entirely left the occident culturally.
Am I misremembering or weren't BFBC2 shotguns good?
>>729451879He dumped all possible opportunities to chase his gay nigger rap dream.
>>729455491He’s actually an Oricon Chart topping artist in Japan now named Joji. He slays Japanese pussy like not other hapa geek ever has before
>>729452374He chased his dream and made it trueDid you make your dreams true anon?
>>729455491yeah because all those opportunities really worked out for everyone else in his circle who kept up the same schtick
>>729443405>assault rifle >can cut through walls and shoot for far longer >easier to saturate an area with bullets >better for long engagements due to reload speed >shotguns >kill people easier at closer distance >easier to aim >will end up losing to an assault rifle unless you can get that shot on target at the beginning of the fight The guns are already balanced irl
>>729455663His Joji persona is also charting high in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Philippines, Korea, and Taiwan
>>729456360Just another reminder that if filthy frank can grow up and become successful then you can too
>>729445348yep. still the king
>>729442824>2015 was 10 years ago
>>729455785self-destroying idubbz aside, maxmofo and chad are doing great, likely even better than joji
>>729443156Its a way of life
>>729447382>>729447579So, what you're describing is that much of the force is expelled out of the gun in the form of gas. Most firearms have slots designed to let gas escape out of the barrel, this means that the force is more evenly distributed across the firearm. There is still some, of course, and that is the recoil that you brace yourself against.
>>729458908actually the gas eacaping is for either 1 of 3 reasons.1.) to push a piston in a semi-auto that will push thd bolt back and reload from the magazine2.) force gasses up to compensate for muzzle climb by providing down-pressure3.) to hide/obscure the muzzle flash
