I just wanted to play Doom :(
>pick one>click windows>install>play???
>>729454816i think its uzdoom now. whats lzdoom?
>>729454909lower hardware requirements
just use UZDoom
>>729454816and still no UZdoom/GZdoom modern fork with doom 64 features (cloud & fire skies)
>>729455014i wonder how ancient your setup has to be to be unable to run zdoom
>>729454898>windows
I've always wanted to play Doom, but I guess I never will *sob*
>>729455061What causes this
atp if you're having this problem just play the steam version
>>729455196source release
>>729455196fags who want attention
>>729455229but like 90% of those are the same "accurate vanilla" port
>>729455061Autism. The only source ports you should care about are>PRboom+ or chocolate if you only care about vanilla and maps>UZdoom for muh mods>Zandronum for muh multiplayer
>>729454816>GZDoom marked as "Historical" even though it's still getting commits on githubthey are so fucking spiteful kek
>>729455093GZDoom and UZDoom are pretty shittely optimized, bro.
>>729455360just dont play nuts
>>729454816>I just wanted to play Doom :(what kinda doom?>just standard doom, no gameplay mods or tcscrispydoom, or nugget for some extra features, dsda for speedrun autism>modded doomuzdoom, if a tc you download comes with gzdoom included you can just use that it doesn't matter>multiplayernone, zandronum & zdaemon playerbase is gone a decade ago
>>729455338Hi Graf, what's it like being a one man team for a source port that nobody cares about anymore?
>>729454816Chocolate Doom.
>>729455338I'd say when you start pushing AI-generated code you have no idea what it does it's pretty over br
>>729454816>Graf uses AI code in his GZDoom update>Axewounds get mad and gang up on him>Axewounds make an alternative that is just GZDoom but without the AI Code>The Axewounds shit up my favorite game even more.Fucking
>>729454816whichever is compatible with Brutal Doom which is the only way the game should be played
>>729455469>nobody cares about anymore
>>729455430dsda is a pretty good port, probably the best vanilla-ish port. the speedrun stuff is easily disabled, i think all that is on by default anyway is an on screen timer.
>>729455532Graf was using code that didn't work like some kind of retard
UZDoom has texture filtering disabled by defaultTruly the thinking man's fork under a
>>729455417>muh nutsZdoom discord tranny detected.
>>729455693are you ok?
>>729455613Yes, as an experiment to see what it can and can not do. But the Axewounds can't listen to fucking reason and are reactionary so they saw this as War.
>>729455771/qa/ lost, election tourist.
>>729455734BUSTAH WOLF
>>729455693hi graf
>>729455312wat. No, just chocolate and derivatives
>>729455532AI code should be punishable by death.
I just wish i could afford a PC that could run high requirement wads on GZDoom. I just have consoles and a tablet. It sucks to be a poorfag
>>729455970every program you use has AI code, just hopefully not commented with "I don't know what this does xD"
>>729454816If it makes you feel better uzdoom is destined to fall apart to infighting and gzdoom will return
>>729455970Go back to your Bluesky, Axewound.Men are talking here.
>>729455987What're you're specs're
>>729454816you wouldn't have liked it, anyway
>>729456064I smell a street-shitter. Go scam grandmas on facebook, Devansh.
>>729455061kek troonix at it again
>>729456057cope
>>729455061So besides>Chocolate Doom derivatives >ZDoom derivatives>Zandronumall of this is pointless shit
>>729455771That's what experimental branches are for
Doom community not beating the trans allegations. None of the Quake community developers shit and piss themselves over their fellow collaborators using AI coding assistants.
>>729456486Wasn't it ON an experimental branch? Yet they still flipped for even attempting to experiment?
>>729456629>Quake communityno such thingeven "quakecon" is all about doomtruly the cuckold of id's catalogue
>>729456629SAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>729456687But I'm going to a QuakeWorld LAN in January.
>>729455970Why? I can understand art, but how could anyone possibly give a shit about AI generated code?
>>729454816>Doom>pronouns UZ/ LZ
>discontinued 2016No no... ZDoom is still hip and cool.
>>729456142a budget laptop from 2012 and im not even kidding. It takes 10 seconds to even load my browser to bring up /v/. Im a neet with zero money but the people I live with are poor as fuck too. I want to get a job but i have so many disabilities. I have to run on linux mint for it to even function properly because windows runs too slow
>Just want to play doom>Noooo you have to play 329qlsDOOM because this fork doesnt have that one texture in the icon of sin where it looks 2 shades lighter than the original
If you use UZDoom then you are a tranny and a luddite.Simple as
>>729455196Autism
>>729455196same reason half those devs now wear dresses and insist on being called women
>>729457074>you're a luddite if you don't use texture filteringnot a good look bro
>>729455196it was forked under a
>>729455334gzdoom/uzdoom have problems with some mbf21 wads so you'll want dsda or woof/nugget for those too
>>729455532It's not as simple as you think, Graf was working on it less and less up until the AI incidient, in the same move he also banned multiple prominent coders from the github so they couldn't reverse it.It seems hes been building up a big grudge for years over little things that didn't affect him and has denied multiple attemtps to make GZDoom a little better.UZD is functionally better than GZD, namely disabling some features by default that everyone who used GZD would immediately disable, but Graf wanted them enabled because that was "his" vision.TL;DR Graf acted out of pure malice and now we have a slightly better source port with no downsides.
>>729454816LZDoom is really good, I don't know why people don't use it
>>729457712my pc is not from the soviet era
>>729454816UZDoom's new logo sucks but that's about it. It should be a circle with a U maybe with Marine Green as the color
>>729457074if you use GZdoom you're just playing with a worse source port, and not worse as in limited, worse as in Graf has a "vision" and spits at you if you disagree with it.
>>729454816I've been using GZdoom for years and I have never heard of UZdoom but GZ still updates and I don't know what the OP pic is all aboutso I guess I would recommend GZ but I have no idea what the other shit is
>>729457306>muh texture filteringToo difficult to turn off for you?
>>729457074>called a luddite for not updating software>now called a luddite for updating softwareYou can't win.
>>729457940concession accepted
>gzdoomunc really livin' in the past
>>729457986What are you doing on 4chan?
>>729454816>zdoom
>>729457656>with no downsides.I would not trust a project run by skirt wearing men unless they were Scottish.
>>729457921TL;DR The owner of GZdoom is a petty retard and the people who were doing 100% of the work have split off into a different port.
>>729458008>doomunc playing those fukin dinosaur games without the dinosaursNo Really why are you playing this instead of Turok, unc. He stabs a raptor with a knife in that game.
>>729458106If you haven't got an actual reply, then just fuck off, no one's taking the bait.
Whatever happened to VKDoom? The version of GZDoom with baked lighting? Those faggots dp judas and nash ever gonna finish it?
>>729457656>functionally better than GZD, namely disabling some features by defaultthis is "better" because the default settings more closely line up with your personal preferences? seems like the exact same problem from the other side, you just agree with these decisions more
>>729454816If you want the experience that is closer to original, use Chocolate Doom or PrBoom.I have played Doom when it was out.
>>729458115so the guy who is continuing the port he's worked on for a decade is petty, but the people who split off are not?who cares. you are the only petty person here for knowing this faggot shit.
>>729458181>calling shit like texture filtering personal preferenceGet the fuck out you retarded tourist
>>729458181>he likes filtersOpinion invalidated, you can leave now.
>>729458259>prboom>in 2025
>>729458175That is an actual reply. Nothing good as come from their kind. Nothing, at all.UZDoom will collapse because those kinds of people can't survive without Drama. Graf might have been a stubborn stick in the mud, but he had the right idea.
>>729457406Jej
>>729458176https://doomwiki.org/wiki/VKDoom>it employs a revamped version of GZDoom's Vulkan renderer (based on the Vulkan API). Development has stopped with the GitHub repository archived on August 9, 2025. In October of that year, the website and repository were shut down.It's over.
ok choose gz doom its literally like take doom.wad put in gzdoom folder, double click gzdoom.exe the end
>>729458281>the port he's worked on for a decadeAh you're the troll, okay your post is ignored now.
>>729458343>>729458328>mindbroken this hard by a setting that takes less than 5 seconds to turn offReally smells of the same niggers who cry about Thieves Guild on every Thief thread.
>>729458328>>729458343you retards weren't even born when I first played doom but I can see what kind of transexual cultish thread this isgoodbye
>>729458372Graf Zahl was the biggest drama queen on the gzdoom team thoroughever
>>729458372>>729458106>TRRAAAANNNNIIEEEESSSSSSSSSSSThose 'Trannies' were the people who have been making GZDoom for the last decade, you're not on the tranny sourceport GZdoom, are you and not Chocolate?
>>729458449Don't let the door hit you on your way out, tourist
>>729458372-3/10 you suck at this
>>729458372>UZDoom will collapse because those kinds of people can't survive without Drama. Graf might have been a stubborn stick in the mud, but he had the right idea.last gz update was 7 months agolast uz update was a month agoyou are wrong
>>729458372>>729458449SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>729458454>>729457656This>>729458372Are people just going to forget that Graf already had ONE melty in the mid 10s where he shut the whole project down and removed everyone because of some internet fight he lost on the zdoom forums? you want that guy to run your project after his second melty because "He's totally based and trad and won't have a mentally ill breakdown again, all those trannies who left were probably just jealous lol". There's being contrarian and then there's just /v/ being fucking retarded.
>prioritizing stupid drama over the game itselfplease leave my hobby alone thank you
>tranny has a fucking meltdown, as they do>splits an entire community or nukes and entire projectfuckin hope you’re pleased with yourself, you pre-rope jackass. FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
>>729458608thisnobody gives a fuck who makes the ports or what their opinions are
>>729458608>>729458671>defending Graf>everPlease fuck off, tourist. You haven't played doom.
>>729458608That's a boy
All the best wads or whatever always become their own standalone executables anyway like castlevania doom
>>729458478Fuck no. I play on Zandronum, Skulltag and ZDaemon.
This thread is quickly devolving into trolls trolling trolls, just a quick headsup to give up here while you can.
>>729458705I don't know who that is and I don't care you mentally ill human mulliganget out of my hobby you axe wound drama faggot
Reminder to everyone with weak PC or people who like to play with thousands FPS that Helion exists. https://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion?tab=readme-ov-file
>>729458727anonthose standalone executables are based on these sourceports.Selaco is one such example.
>>729458705played carmack's doomdon't care who you're referring to cause that's not the doom i'm playing
What fork or whatever has the MOST compatibility so I can just dump like 4tb of every single thing in that launchers directory and just play anything a-z
>>729458705Post your Doom 1 Floppies or shut up.
>you have to pick a sideno
>>729458786AnonI use gentooI was trolling
can an employed person just lay it out simply which one is the best for a regular joe that just wants to play some WADs? hard mode: not buzzwords, /pol/isms and discord bullshit.
>GZ
how do i get it to find custom wads?
>>729458928GZDoom never gave me problems.
>>729458860>>729458928>MOST compatibilitywith what? mods in general? just maps? see >>729455430
>>7294570541ghz A4-1200 from 2013 here... Windows 8.1 works 'fine'. Better than ubuntu 18.04 with plasma at least. 10 won't install. Can't play 1080p videos without dropping frames, but doom, halo ce, and ragnarok online (pre-anticheat) all run at at least 30 fps.
>>729458860UZDoom, but even that won't run everything
>>729456770The AI code thing was overblown and obfuscated on purpose, what he actually did was push untested AI generated linux/mac code because he didn't have the systems to test it.Arguable he shouldn't have been pushing untested code to master (or are they calling it main now?)
The trannies that splintered off from GZDoom are the ones that ruined Gzdooms performance. Give it a few years and UZDoom will run even worse than GZDoom does now.
>>729457074>if you use this software developed by trannies instead of this other software developed by trannies you are a tranny
>>729459148Wrong.
>>729455061Gabe's source port is what lead to Doom95, I don't think he ever finished it or even gave it a name but it caught the attention of his bosses back when he worked for Microsoft which lead to doom95's creation.
I still use GZDoom as that's what the VR forks are based on.
>>729458653>tranny has a fucking meltdownWait, Graf is a tranny?
>>729455061>not including the Doom Legacy -> SRB2 clusterfuck
>>729455014* don't understand the point. These tranny devs are insane. Make one version and stick with that. It is doom still for fuck sake or does it need Ray Tracing™ and Lumen™ too?
>>729455532Graf being a retard is on him and not on the trannies that have been stuck to him like leeches the last 5 years, as a matter of fact, this isn't the first time he as 'tarded out and went on hiatus, its closer to his 6th time now.
The only "people" who defend ai coding are jeets.
UZDoom is just simply better because we don't have to deal with Graf's faggotory anymore now so I'm not really sure what people are up in arms about. We finally got a decent Doom port for modding that isn't ran by a primadonna.
>>729459212I thought he worked on Windoom not Doom95
Crispy Doom is all you need. Anything else is bloat.
>>729459392>so I'm not really sure what people are up in arms abouIt's retardard post-2016 tourists and dramawhores who don't know how big of a retard Graf is, so they think that faggot finally pissing everyone off enough to ditch his ass it some kind of "hostile tranny takeover".
>coders believing they are god's gift to humanity and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can do what they dolmao
>>729456669Exactly, also the trannycons in question are in league with motherfucking fairweather and the Q1 tranny kliq, and as xhey did with quake 1 at slipseer and quaddicted after driving the good people out and shitting garbage after garbage mapjam after it.Plus xhey trying to sabotage Q1+Q2 Mapcenter
>>729459174Ywnbaw
>>729459487>doesn't work with Reelism 2Worthless.
>>729459392>that isn't ran by a primadonna.They have fucking Rachael still in the dev team, there's nothing to celebrate about (at least yet).
UZDoom will win me over if they add server/client multiplayer.
>>729459613good morning sirs!
>>729456669>Wasn't it ON an experimental branch?No, it wasn't. He abused github's force push feature to jam that shit into the main branch without testing. Because Graf is a retard.
>>729459538said mongoloid coders never wrote a line in C+ because their "teachers" taught them that every C language is "le bad and bigot"and xhey should use shit like webcode like blizzard did with war 3 refundead
>>729459668dude that's literally never going to happen. it's a source port with the intention of running bloated crap like Selaco and Brutal Doom forks. Zandronul still works and is dead. it's joever
>>729459326He has about as many mental illnesses as one so it checks out
>>729459849>bloated crap like Selacoshit taste
>>729459636>Reelism 2ZDoom isn't Doom.
>>729459341I think UE5 could really bring new life to Doom
>>729459636it a mod doesn't support chocolate doom it isn't doomconversely if a source port doesn't support official demos it isn't doom
>>729459935Selaco is one of the worst shooters I've played in years. Fundamentally poorly designed enemies and encounters. Boring as sin to playbut it's got a bunch of actors being used as destructible level props, ooooh
Which port has support for 64 and the new campaigns from the remaster?
>>729460041>tranny has incoherent melty over popular thingMany such cases
>>729460059*Also PSX.
>>729455196Wanting to add more features. From the major/relevant branches available:-Chocolate mostly just cares about being as close to the original version of Doom as possible but without having to use DOSbox anymore. Crispy is the deluxe version that adds a ton of bells and whistles common to later ports but maintains true compatibility with original Doom (demos, saves, netplay, etc.)-Boom and its kids mostly just care about being advanced versions of Doom. They're no longer vanilla, but most of the new features are sensible additions, feature minimal or no scripting, and the ports are still compatible with a lot of old Doom material in a true fashion. -ZDoom mostly just wanted to focus on adding as much stuff as possible. Later children like GZDoom have changes enough under the hood that it's not even properly demo compatible with older versions anymore (the way Doom works, you can record inputs and have the same inputs get the same gameplay each time, so if these demos no longer work, then the logic underneath has changed). Huge additions from modern renderers and the addition of scripting languages that were never part of DOOM-CSDoom is worth noting separately as it's Client Server Doom, so its kids are more focused on modern netcode that way you'd be familiar with. New forks happen because not everyone can agree on how many features they want their version to have, as some things impact other things, or sometimes it's just the fact that the person maintaining the website or github rehub is dead/gone/a bellend, so a new fork comes out of that kind of necessity
>>729460102>calls him tranny>Selaco is LITERALLY a tranny game with tranny agenda and shit thrown into your face all times.I saw faggotry but yours is this big
>>729460102don't you dare call anyone any names when you are actually crashing out over someone not sharing your opinions.
>>729460025>>729459941You can change the settings to make normal Doom play like Doom if you want, but not liking mods is a sign of severe retardation.
>>729459094yeah no i will never game on this POS. Luckily when I did have a job at an electronics store I was able to buy a Series X when it first came out and you can run emulators on it. So that's been my gaming rig. I just wish I could play some of these really cool doom wads that have come out in the last 5 years because im a massive doom fan.
>>729460217>incoherent melty continuesMany concessions accepted
>>729460025chocolate doom can't even run sigil, unc. it's time to get on with the times
>>729456669It wasn't. Furthermore, you shouldn't be pushing out commits if they flat out don't work in the first place.Using AI code is one thing but not even bothering to check if it actually works even when every AI coding tool on earth tells you to check its output is peak laziness.
>>729460217>>Selaco is LITERALLY a tranny game>EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS TRANNIESOkay Graf
>>729456454basically this.Choccy doom for VanillaZDoom for general playZandronum for multiplayer (or you can just use Zandronum for everything like I do, just add a vanilla mod)
>>729460231>like DoomYeah, but its not Doom.
I haven't been following the scene in years. Are people no longer using GZDoom/ZDoom?
>>729460325If it plays exactly like Doom, it's Doom. You cannot make a meaningful distinction between the two with the right settings.
>>729457792I agree, I may design one and do a pull request on trannyhub once Iearn how to use git
>yea I wanna play doom but I get overwhelmed by the options of source ports.You are a human being, you are confronted with choices every day. How is a source port that you can quickly check the differences of the deal breaker?>uh no I have no time to researchWe have google and even AI that will tell you exactly what you want? In particular, I'm thinking of you, >>729458928.
>>729460353ZDoom hasn't been updated for ages. GZDoom got a new fork recently called UZDoom but (right now) are functionally the same.
for me, its crispy/chocolatey
>>729460405>just eat ze bugs, this penisroach burger tastes exactly the same to me, you f*cking chud>if I can't tell the difference then everyone else should call it a real beef hamburger
>>729460353ZDoom became depreciatedGZDoom was maintained by a retard named Graf In recent years, Graf built up a ton of ill will from being retarded in every possible way and barely contributing to the project compared to the 30+ contributors who were actually doing work who he constantly got in the way ofRecently, Graf forcibly pushed a bunch of untested AIslop code to the main branch which didn't work and crashed on compileWhen asked why, he threw a fit and said "feel free to fork under a"The contributors all took this as a "last straw" excuse to fork the project to UZDoom, which is now the main version
>>729460471First off, google is absolute shit. 2nd is you get results from 5 years ago that may very well be outdated and 3rd: it's not even possible to get a straight answer in here. Also not that anon, dont @ me
>>729460539Please explain what differences between Doom and G/UZDoom exist that cannot be fixed with a handful of quick settings tweaks instead of spouting some retarded greentext meme shit at me.
>>729460604>When asked why, he threw a fit and said "feel free to fork under a"was this a typo he made?
>>729460770The general assumption is that he was so mad about being called out that he sent the post before finishing the phrase "feel free to fork under a new branch/project" or something like that, but nobody really knows.
>>729460508>>729460604Thanks bros.
>>729460284Your toy not working for a while is irrelevant compared to the important political battleground AI has turned into tranny
>>729460690The fact that ZDoom isn't Doom.
>>729460690G/UZDoom has many things not possible on the Doom engine, just from mapping perspective there is:>3D (stacked) floors>slopes>portals for mirrors and multi-room illusions>full-height 3D textures>limit removals (unlimited sectors, linedefs etc)On visual and scripting side there is much more. You may not notice any of this if you're not familiar with how Doom works
>>729461026>can't name any meaningful differencesI accept your concession.
>>729460405>like Doom>exactly likeWe both know ZDoom isn't exactly like Doom. Therefore, it isn't Doom.
>>729460690physics in g/uzdoom aren't accurate to vanilla and work more like later games in the engine (hexen/strife), which is why a loot of speedrunning tech doesn't work
>>729461050But those are optional on the part of the mapper. If you are playing through either of the original DOOM .wads, you would never know of those features, which means they're not meaningful unless you choose to play a mod which has them. I ask again, what meaningful difference is there between Doom and G/UZDoom that cannot be fixed with a simple settings tweak?
>>729460614>don't @ meYou bring up an argument to my point and ask me to cease? What do you want me to say? >You know, I did had this counterpoint to your points but alas, you're not him. I will not post it then.Anyways>google is absolute shitThen you can guess duckduckgo, yandex. Google is just a verb for looking it up. And no matter what you think, it said gzdoom, which the other two posts (and what I would agree to. Although uzdoom's probably what's in vogue right now).Even if every search engine is shit, the point is that you can easily investigate this information. That is my complainant, that people who apparently want to play Doom are hampered by the simplest of barriers.>get results from 5 years ago that may be outdatedEither it works or it doesn't. If it works who cares. If it doesn't, go to another link. Believe me, I had my fair share of fuckery like my pirated Dark Messiah copy. The important part is that you still try.>3rd: it's not even possible to get a straight answer in hereYet I somehow got it on google. I got it from chatgpt. Even if it's outdated and somehow doesn't work, you at least know what doesn't.That's the part I want to stress. It annoys me that people cannot be bothered to even answer for themselves which is right. Do people need to be spoonfed on which source port, which mods, which keybindings to use?
>>729461209Those aren't simple setting tweaks, it's an entirely new game engine
>ZDoomers thinking they've been playing Doom this whole time
>>729461341cursed
>>729461256They're engine differences that have absolutely no effect if you're playing Doom, which is what this conversation is about.
>>729461435>>different physics>>different enemy behaviours>>can't even play back demos>no effect
>>729461435What are you talking about there absolutely are effects on gameplay, why do you insist on arguing about something you don't know about?
>>729454816>just wanted to play doomhere
>>729460024
>>729461584paying for a doom source port is like paying for porn
>>729461501>>different physicsShow proof.>>different enemy behavioursShow proof.>>729461540FoFs, 3D textures, slopes, portals, and limit removals have literally ZERO effect on the game if you're not playing a map which takes advantage of them. Again, if you are playing Doom, there is no meaningful difference caused by using Z/GZ/UZDoom to do so.
>>729454816Doom is mediocre at best. Its simply just held up by nostalgiafags who claim its the best shit ever. Play the first few levels and you've played the entire game.
So people are really going to act like texture filtering, fucking Graf and AI code were the peak of doom because of culture war bullshit even though UZDOOM is the EXACT same team besides the guy that was hated for years?
>>729460269many confessions denied>>729461079>>729457986confession denied
>>729461670>Show proof.The fact demos are incompatible is all the proof required.
>>729461827No, it isn't. Again, show proof that physics and enemy behaviours are meaningfully different.
>>729461892>No, it isn't.Yes it is. The gameplay changes break the demo playback.
Use GZdoom. UZdoom is for literal trannies and LGBT fags.
>>729457792They're not gonna change it, they paid money for the current logo
>>729454816Here you go you stupid fuck, the version for youhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2280/DOOM__DOOM_II/
>>729455196Forking for a mix of reasons, some being insanity, some being different design goals. GZDoom (and its forks U/LZDoom) is by this point more of just a game engine that has the luxury of being able to also run Doom due to being a source port, with the forking there being a mix of tranny schizophrenia and graf being retarded. Zandronum is meant to be a more efficient, better running option for multiplayer. PrBoom was meant to just be general compatability (which is the reason why Doom Classic is built on it).
>>729456629The quake (mapping) community kicked out and exiled their biggest member because he asked everyone to not discuss politics when the Russia Ukraine conflict kicked off. And as far as I'm aware has never been apologized to or invited back even after nobody gives a fuck about that war anymore.
I don't give a SHIT about "politics" behind ports, I just play fucking DOOM. When I download a WAD, I look at the compatibility and run whatever is needed. If you think about the process any deeper than that then YOU are the problem.
>>729461670Of course mapping features won't affect you on a mapset that doesn't take advantage of them, but that's not the only thing gzdoom does. For example it has less rng when it comes to damage (more consistent, no extreme ranges like original), you cannot do wallrunning/wall bounces, and like the other anon said no demo compability which by default means everything from physics to rng to collision is out of sync
>>729459157source ports are for trannies
>>729461892Demos are hard proof that things have changed. If they're not working the same every time, then there has been meaningful changes to the logic of the game.
>>729456048>>729456064
>>729462272He's gone anon. He left the thread in shame. He thinks he's been playing Doom this whole time hahahaha
>>729455538*Project Brutality
They are already planning on changing the secret sound because of muh loicense https://github.com/UZDoom/UZDoom/issues/816
>>729460604>le social media developersThis is why internet and almost everything in it is pure cancer. If I had a Doom engine port it would be MY FUCKING PROJECT and no stranger would contribute or say anything about it.This is what I don't understand. What the fuck is wrong with these people?They should go pretend to be "communal" somewhere else because it clearly isn't about that. It's about typical discord tier tranny drama and narcissism.
PS1 soundtrack is better.
>>729463594Graf did you run out of tokens or something? stop shitposting on the 4chans and get back to work
>>729455093>>729459341It's for first generation Intel HD graphics from 2010 or even older GPUs. Whoever's maintaining it is probably doing it out of spite at this point.
>>729459341For fun
>>729457074Hi Graf, hope you're doing well!
>>729462263You cant even set dosbox, vm's or real hardware to play the OG game or else, sharteen
>>729455532>pushing AI code without even checking if it fucking worked100% justified. Graf is a washed up retard.
>>729457406heh
>>729463846Problem with these open source project is this:>they attract worst possible attention whores and other low iq parasites>just because they can be vocal doesn't mean it is important on any level>some people, even the project lead, could have a life outside of deploying commits to github>some leeches who are unemployed are able to post their shit tier code 24/7 Even this situation alone is enough to create friction and ill will because the project owner is simply not that interested after some point.Glad I'm not part of any of this.Eventually every single open source project will devolve into giant faggotry. GZdoom is just one of the examples. Linux world has plenty of other examples about this.
>>729457074Marisa, please kill yourself already
>hurr durr tranny tranny trannyYeah, like the "trannies" that "took over" the DNF2001 rebuild project that /vr/ was totally going to do? Hint: the /vr/ group just kept whining about trannies and the other group that aren't actually trannies at all actually made progress on the projectAll I'm seeing are whiny tourists and children sperging about something they have no understanding of for purely ideological reasons because they heard graf zahl, a spastic retard known for being a cunt for decades, used AI and is therefore a "based AI user".
What are the must play WADs from the past couple years?
>>729457406Under a... what?
>>729455532the one time an axewound is correct
>>729458768I'm just waiting till it gets to Woof level of compatibility.
>>729458608>he says as he posts tranimeleave MY hobby, you fucking faggot
>>729466101Reminds me of the old Candlejack meme, I missed tha
>>729457074Did he ever get over lilith.pk3?
>>729455061>DOSDoomBut wasn't Doom already for MS-DOS, what
>>729454816Chocolate Doom is all you need. The others don't have as much soul.
>>729466894DOSDoom was a port of the released Linux Doom source code back to DOS.
>>729466994lol, ebin
>>729455061>>729454816Why is this a problem exactly?Are /v/ zoomers so stupid they don't like options because they need to make choices?Holy fuck no wonder why /vr/ is so much better.
>>729467143/vr/ will just tell you to play the original or get out
just get doomseeker and you can get all the you ever need, zandronum is built in I think and you get all the mods and wads solo or mp
>>729467143They're scared of picking "the wrong one" and getting made fun of.
>>729454816Just grab UZDoom. It's the latest one after the main guy used AI to push a fix that didn't work and the other devs who are mostly trannies got fed up and forked the project under a. Unfortunately if you're doing Doom modding you'll be seeing a lot of trannies because it's absolutely overrun with them.Or if you're just interested in playing maps then avoid the tranny drama and just use dsda-doom.
>>729454816>literally just discord drama tranny faggotry to create multiple ports when all works well enough to playThe tranny epidemic ruined many communities.
>>729460614
>>729455652>le fork joke>/discord/
>>729455061DOOM Classic... HOME...At least it was until Bethesda fucked up Doom 2.
>>729468171HahahaIm already making fun of them for not knowing how to pick
>>729458768Based
>>729468810>t. salty member
Time to play some Doom>pirate the game>download brutal doom>download doom metal >download gzdoom>never download a filter or hud. those are fucking gay>announce to everyone that Brutal Doom is the best Doom mod ever made to this day>take a fat shit on nuDoom>make fun of Mick Gordon fart remix """music""">take a shit on project redditality>drag all the files on Gzdoom>play it loud as fuck while spamming the flipping off key>insist on doing fatalities(thats the actual name instead "glory hole") on everything >beat doom 1 and 2 >download Hell On Earth and again tell everyone that Brutal Doom is the best doom mod ever made and that Mark racist joke was funny and harmless >beat Hell On Earth>go to/vr/ to again say that Brutal Doom is the best game ever made just to make the tranny janny dilate and ban me>ban evade>download Maps Of Chaos>finish it on a hard difficulty >go again take a shit on NuDoom>pirate Duke Nukem 3D Megaton Edition to play something different for a while>go shit on Gianni and Ultratranny right before starting the gameLife is good.
>everyone I know that's actually in the doom community uses pr/dsda>everyone I know that isn't and just wants to play the OGs or maybe some wad that they heard about (especially myhouse a year or so ago) just uses gzwhat causes this?
>>729459019I want to play literallyAll of themEvery single one.
>>729469798Then you need more than one port.
>>729459094You need Ubuntu 16.04 which is literally God's operating system>>729469907Okay I can handle that. Bare minimum number of ports?
>>729458427ooooh, I've always wanted to play doom but I've never learned how. I guess I'll never play it now oooh.
>>729455061Where's Kex?
All the UZDoom defenders ITT are from Doomworld, just be warned.Also hi KiwiFarms.>niggers
>>729470449No I'm not.
>>729454816Would someone PLEASE explain to me why the obsession over this ancient FPS is such that it gets 6 gorillion actively maintained ports and retards trying to run it on every single le hecking funny device 30+ years post-release?It's not inherently a bad game, but at the same time it's also no "pinnacle of gaming" and I don't see why it warrants the level of attention it gets.Meanwhile there are so many other (better) games released since that don't receive even a fraction of that attention. Only thing I could maybe see is that Doom is one of the few games with official source releases, but that hasn't stopped decompilation projects from porting and updating other games.What gives?
>>729455061Are there any Doom engines with similar graphic features to GZDoom but without being coded like shit?
>>729470618>Meanwhile there are so many other (better) games released since that don't receive even a fraction of that attentionname five
>>729461730>Doom is mediocre at best.It's the best game ever made. Get the fuck out of my Internet, you needy fat bastard.
I'm fucking sick of AI but desu the witch-hunting over it is getting a bit tiresome too kek
>>729470969>le both sides>kekNeck yourself, street-shitter
>>729455360Only a problem on huge maps with a lot of actors.
>>729471169We're all Indian in here anon
>>729456057Hilarious if true.
>>729470772Well tastes vary and personally I'm not a fan of FPS games in general, so that's a pretty low bar to pass.>Underrail>Arcanum>BG1/2>KOTOR1/2>Fallout1/2But that's also part of my point - it's not like FPS games are some sort of lowest-common-denominator which means that everyone has to automatically like Doom. There are other games and genres which are more popular than Doom yet none of them get that same level of attention in terms of ports, updating/decompiling code etc., so why does Doom get the attention it does?
>>729470969
>>729470772E33
>>729454816So just to be clear if all I wanna do is say play Ashes I can just download that big pack /vr/ has up in their always up doom thread and be fine.
>>729454816So long story short is thete anyreason for me to stop using GZdoom right now for anything thata heavily modified like Pink Valley or My house? Prboom+ covers all my normal mod needs
>>729471649you really think a game from 2015 needs a source port?
>>729471771Yes, everything is self-contained, you just click the exes. Also it's fantastic so enjoy.
>>729458508It's an engine od of a 30 year old games, it's not like there is anything to add. That update probably only changed the logo.
>>729459341Shut up faggot
>>729471896That's not what I said, I was simply asked to name better games and I named some games I liked better. Also, the other games I mentioned in that list are a lot older.One could also argue that Doom has been officially released on Steam for modern Windows machines, so why do the other ports need to exist?
>>729467229>/vr/ will just tell you to play the original or get outNot at all/vr/ has a Doom general thread and most people there play with Woof/Nugget or GZDoom
>>729455061>>729455196There's more
>>729471865Pink Valley I know works fine on Gzdoom, not sure about My house.
>>729472264The short answer is we've had Doom's source code for over 20 yearsPretty much everything made for those games has had to be reverse engineered and even still in a lot of cases they're incomplete or still kinda bad because it's hard to do
>>729471307Why do they make us wear these ridiculous ties, sir?
>>729470754No. Get to work anon.
>>729466659You have no business posting here.
>>729455531pushung code to support any linux tranny feature was a mistake
>>729470754Eternity Engine for portals that can do more 3D maps
>>729455061For me it's Doom RetroGood controller support, nice chunky visuals, arbitrary aspect ratio support, and actively maintained
>>729457656>It's not as simple as you think,Tranny literally demanded Graf, the owner of the repo, to send his code through a tranny review process, fuck them
>>729472974>controllerYou don't deserve DOOM, go the fuck back
>>729454816>UZDoom
>>729473008>to send his code through a review processAnd why would they do that?
>>729459392Wake me up in a year when the fork actually changes something meaningful besides default variables.
doom is ok I guess
Imagine defending texture filtering
>>729454816Um... I don't really play mods anyways, so I think I'll just use bethesda's version...
>>729461209The only difference I can tell that cannot be changed with compatibility options is the lighting, gzdoom uses a different way of rendering light which looks different to vanilla. The compat flags can restore a lot of vanilla settings, the source port was created to be highly compatible so even old doom wads should work. maybe.
DOOM was never good. DOOM 2016 is probably the closest any of the games ever came to being good though.
>>729454816>4chanz: don't like it just fork it>also 4chanz: NOOOO DONT FORK TRANNY ONLY TRANNIES FORK STOP REEEEEEEEEEEEEElol
>>729474582There really was no reason for you to enter the thread or share your thoughts.
why are you guys being such elitists over this old-ass game
>what if I told you>good game not actually good?
>>729470080DSDA, GZDoom, Zandronum are the main ones.If you are playing really old wads, you might need an older source port like PRBoom. Some wads use Eternity, some Woof. Always check the .txt file that comes with the wad, it should say which sourceport it is compatible for.
>>729471865Not really, GZDoom usually is required with Zscript heavy mods.
is Doom Launcher good?
"what are you gonna do, fork me?"-quote from man forked
>>729458958>>729457074If you use GZDoom then you are a sharty cultist and a libtard.Sharty lost
>>729463781nahthe rock midis mogs them
me am use zandronum
For windows 10 only need Helion, Nugget, and Gzdoom.Simple as.>HelionThe Good: Runs a gorillian frames-per-second with gorillian monsters on screen shooting a gorillian projectilesThe Bad: An even more non-vanilla feel than Gzdoom has, and cant accept as many/most pk3/full conversion mods as Gzdoom can>GZdoomThe Good: full conversions/pk3s/wads -- they all run on it save a very few specific ones.The Bad: Jank vanilla feel like Helion, but at least the non-hitscan weapons you fire don't look like they're coming from behind your gun>NuggetThe Good: 3D positional sound, vanilla feel, great gamepad supportThe Bad: CPU bound and fps will tank hard if you look at complex map sector designs even if absolutely nothing is happening. Still maintains high fps on most slaughter maps except meme ones so don't worry
>>729465385Belot
>>729456448arrest
>>729470618Your fucking stupid
I never thought I'd see the day that /v/ gets mad over forksI don't understand at all
>>729470969tbf we should only do that against big corporations that do that to cut cost.
>>729454816Then just download dsda-doom or nugget and play.Why are you still stuck in 2013 nigga?>inb4 muh brootal doomThen you 100% deserve tranny ports
>he doesn't use gzdoom for android to play plutonia on his phone while standing in line at the bankI downloaded this as a joke and then tried to unironically play this way and the first level is literally impossible. Not even a figure of speech like it's just not possible playing with these "controls" probably would do better playing on a donkey konga drum
>>729458608The troons have completely destroyed the Doom community. Their toxic positivity libtard manipulation has reached retards like 40iq (40oz) who caused a recent internal turmoil at Doomer Boards, which caused a ton of members to quit and leave for Time of Doom. This fucking troon madness is spreading since 2016. Doomworld is a shithole, Zdoom forum is a double shithole and Doomer Boards has become unsalvageable. At this point the Green Land Bird boards might actually become the next best place for Doom discussions, if only they were allowed to have a proper subforum.The Doom community is completely fucked.
>>729454816I don't care about the a.i drama I'm gonna still use gzdoom no matter what
>>729478364And this has to do with me playing video games despite never visiting or even ha ing heard of some of those forums because...?
Just use pic related.
>>729478342>touchscreen controlskys yourself, retart
>>729476691fuck off tranny, you ragequit your own thread on Troonworld. Go join the 41%
>>729478539That's the joke.
>>729478471Why do you think every single fucking WAD that comes out of Troonworld is slaughtershit with horrible music and a one color theme. The quality of mapping has gone downhill, hard.
>>729478743And I'm supposed to care about random wads from random people from this forum I never heard of because...?I swear you drama people can't ever admit you're only in it for the drama and never the vidyaI was a lot of fun playing Lost Civilization this weekend and continue to do so. Does it kill you people to play video games or something? What gives?
>>729478954Welcome to /v/
>>729458705dilate
>>729478954d8
>>729455360I thought the whole selling point of UZdoom was that it goes away from all the retarded Grafisms and fixes the engine?Is "we dont use AI trust us bro" and texture filtering being off by default really the only notworthy features of it?
>Hmm I want to make a Doom map but actually I want to add a bunch of shit to it to the point it doesn’t run on original Doom.I understand source ports for different platforms and modern computers, but I don’t understand this autism. Just make it a Quake map at that point, or a GoldSrc map, or a Source map. If that’s still not enough, you can use Godot to make your own game. It’s open source so it won’t even cuck you like Unity tried to. There is no excuse. The idea of a Doom level that struggles to run on modern hardware is utterly satanic. One would have to assume it’s a troll, but no, autists are putting serious effort into it.
>>729479873>Just make it a Quake map at that pointok, make a quake slaughtermap, go ahead
>>729454816i just don't use stuff developed by troons, simple as.
>>729471660protection
>>729473602That's what you get when you invite trannies into your hobby project
>>729457656>disabling some features by default that everyone who used GZD would immediately disable, but Graf wanted them enabled because that was "his" vision.thats all i needed to know and now i dont carefuck him
>>729478459based. I'm still using PolyMC
>>729480198I'm not a slaughtertranny
>>729480609texture filtering is the least of gzdoom problems, tranny devs made every version run slower and slower
>>729454816Nigger
>>729480910you don't even play quake
>>729479290are you blind?
>>729480198Serious Sam is slaughter maps: The game.
>>729480276You do that every day. Tranny-developed software has hard, direct contact with the metal in your computer. How does it make you feel?
>>729478342delta touch is better but you have buy it (like i did)the PROS: is good for vanilla-driven wadsthe CONS: besides the slowdown for bigger maps (blame gzdoom), visual overhaul mods will have a bad problem (mostly the GLES shader issue) until some update will fix it.
I'm just on DSDA nice and simple with no bells or whistles Love me some doom bros been doing another playthrough of going down what a masterpiece
>>729473671Was Graf trolling or did he genuinely think Doom looks better with texture filtering?
>>729481085Trannies have their own priorities
>>729481328just as expected, like the sharty defeat.
>>729480402
>>729481351looking at UDoom they are busy removing trannie deadnames and changing the secret jingle sound file, and no progress on making gzdoom more performant
>>729481154>Tranny-developed software has hard, direct contact with the metal in your computer.such as?
>>729481452Poor little troon-lover, he's going to deconstruct his browser and OS looking for traces of tranny code.]lmao
>>729481004well i prefer crispy doom anyway
>>729481142THISwe need more custom serious sam maps
>>729481452>such as?Practically any software released in the last decade that had 50+ contributors working on it
Really the only thing UZDoom needs to do is make the performance better, if i recall it was only using 1 cpu core or some shit
>>729455061
>>729481817It’s fucking Doom kek. What satanic experiments are you doing for it to need more than a core of a modern PC?
>>729481817not until tranny devs deadnames are purged from the history
>>729481935zscript virtual machine and 1 draw call per wall or something
>>729481935UZDoom (or rather GZDoom) was rather infamous for having bad performance when it's trying to juggle a lot of things at once. Since the engine is basically a game engine unto itself that just supports Doom WADs ontop of that it can get really messy with the visuals when you try to run something like a slaughter map. There's basically no reason for it to actually need to run on a single thread other than bad code.
>>729455196Time
Hey guys.
>>729482108Then stop playing slaughtershit?
>>729455061>this>plus the few mods that require a super-specific version of one of the ports since it makes use of a function that got removed a few years ago
>>729482663Archboner Negromeatball?
>>729481817There are two main reasons GZDoom is slow:- There's a lot of CPU overhead due to the scripting system, even for entities that aren't taking advantage of it.- The 3D geometry is recreated and sent to the GPU every single frame, each polygon is its own draw call. (check it out in RenderDoc)For the scripting, I believe the entity behavior depends on processing order, so it can't be easily multithreaded. Rendering is already on a separate thread, I don't know if there's further benefit to be had there with additional threads, but my thought is no, since sending shit to the GPU is relatively slow.
>>729462690New Project Brutality sucks. I’ve been playing this version for years. The only one you’ll ever need.https://allfearthesentinel.com/zandronum/wads.php?name=project_brutality_3.0_test_1-21-18.pk3&from=WadArchive
>>729465385Honestly, 2024 and 2025 haven't been that great in comparison to past years. There are still a few decent ones out there but the amount of quality WADs has dropped off significantly.The only truly notable WAD for me this year was Dead Sea Scrolls. Short, fun, unique, atmospheric (and funny, when needed). A somewhat runner up would be We Have Doom At Home - most of the levels are just ok but there are specifically three levels that are A+++ tier so that brings the whole project up a lot.I tried a lot of the other Cacoward winners this year and they were all garbage. Doghouse is a 10 year boring slaughter WAD, In Rural Only is more of the same nonsense that City Only was (huge confusing maps, every map after the first three are pure slaughter, etc) and overall creators are just trying to ape things like Going Down or Eviternity I / II without understanding what makes them good.
Is Brutal Doom still hated by old heads or have they gotten over it?
>>729455014How low are we talking?
uncs with RSI will really call any map that has more than 50 enemies "slaughtershit" now
I'm gonna be honestLe no chicken is right, lilith.pk3 is dogshit
>>729484085From what I can tell, the DirectX9 and GDI backends were restored from ye olde gzdoom, and he's avoiding/reverting any changes that do any interpolation or expensive calculations to make things look marginally better. He's also changed a lot of the defaults like enabling render culling by default.I guess what I'm saying is you could probably run it on a P4 with XP and a dGPU from that era.It doesn't look to me like anything in LZDoom would help with more modern hardware running Linux like a raspberry pi though aside from having better defaults, he's not really doing much to the GL backend from upstream.
>>729482935Or just use a good sourceport
>>729457074Cope. I'd rather play the works of a passionate autistic tranny than ever deal with a hint of a whiff of a pajeet.
>>729454816Didn't this shit get good enough like 10 years ago? What are they still doing?
>>729455061>for playing WADSDSDAdoom>for playing some zoomer shooter slopGZdoomits that easy
