Just got this cuz I like Metroidvanias and adventure games. I hear this one is a real brainbuster, what exactly am I getting into here?
>>729456798Write down and take pictures of everything noteworthy. Take as many notes as you can and then still look up the solution because of how hard some of the later riddles are.
>>729456798It takes a lot of commitment if you want to finish it yourself. It's not a metroidvania, it's an Action Archaeological Exploration Game
>>729456798prepare to solve puzzles with hints from clear across the mapprepare to put together archeological mysteries piece by pieceand prepare to scream in rage at surprise fishgreat game, 10/10, if I can beat it you can too
>>729456798Take notes. Take the best notes of your life.>of whatEverything.
>>729456798Best fucking game. Just know that reading the manual is mandatory and that the game HATES you.
>>729456798You'll never finish it without a guide. Anyone who says they finished it completely alone, without ever referencing a guide or a walkthrough, is lying. Enjoy it though, it's genuinely one of the best games of its genre.
>>729458195Aside from taking a knee, I can totally believe it's possible given that I did 99% of the shit besides that without any external help. Mantras are also kind of fucked too, but still doable I think.
>>729456798Is not "brainbuster" you don't really use your brain to play it if anything is the complete opposite, the game is braindead, you have to follow a guide to play the game because the progression is cryptic bullshit at the same level of getting the true ending in Valkyrie profile Lenneth (which is impossible to stumble upon unless you read a guide).Only absolute fucking RETARDS think this game is good.
>>729456798Be prepared for the Blue Prince experience where you spend 90% of your time staring at all your notes and screenshots, 9% backtracking place you've already been and 1% actual new gameplay
You can finish the game without a guide but it'll take like 80 hours if you're good. You can't even enter Hell Temple without a guide though. Not that you should.
>>729458195You're just stupid. The hardest thing in the game to figure out was that I could use the scaffolding in the tower as a ladder. Maybe you should have taken notes and drawn a map.
>>729456798Use pen and paper, draw a map, you can use the ingame map as a base, you just need a bunch of rectangles for the rooms, nothing too complicated.Every time you see an unsolved puzzle, unopened chest, etc. make a note on your map for that room. I just label the rooms with numbers as I find unsolved stuff in them, then write down the notes for each number next to the map.Take a screenshot of every single tablet you scan. Even tablets that seem nonsensical can end up becoming crucial clues 10 hours later when you have more context.If you don't do this, you will want to kill yourself. You'll be constantly finding clues, keys, etc. for shit that's on the opposite side of the game.Think of the whole game as one giant fuck you puzzle room where everything is connected to everything.Enjoy.
>>729459145I beat it in under 20 without a guide. Sorry you had to find out you're dumb.
>>729456798use some kind of note taking program to record every single tablet you read and organize them according to their topic or you're in for a nightmare and probably either starting over or giving up and using a guide once you get like 5 or 6 areas deep in the game. It starts out straightforward enough to make you think you can just read the clues and figure shit out on your own and then drops you off a cliff once you become overconfident.
>>729459267That's 100% pure distilled bullshit.
>>729459347Sorry you had to find out you're dumb.
>>729459402The amount of insane clown logic in this game guarantees that intelligence won't make you finish it faster, only specific knowledge of the game can.
>>729459484What insane clown logic? Everything was perfectly logical. You're just stupid, I don't know what else to tell you. Maybe you didn't take notes properly?
La Mulana is great, but I still prefer 2 only because it's much more realistic to beat without external help.
I already got filtered by the sequel.I'm scared to launch it after so long, I would have to restart the whole game because I will have no idea of what the fuck I was doing or where I should go next.
>>729459552>everything was perfectly logicalwhat's the weight of a human soul?there is a clear line of logic to find the answer but it is not so easy as to be spelled out for you
>>729459347>>729459402Charon thinks you should drown yourself NOW>>729459325Also don't read the same stone tablet twice or you'll active hard mode lol
>>72945988121 grams, duh.
>>729456798>>729456798>>729456798Thanks for the info, I'll get started now. Pretty excited to give this a try since I've always like the Indiana Jones vibe this one gave off.
>>729459881The numbers are literally given to you. Christ dude. Like I thought, you didn't take notes.
>>729459881>there is a clear line of logic to find the answer but it is not so easy as to be spelled out for youI can't tell if you're arguing for or against what you're quoting. You seem to be implying that you're offering a counter, yet the example you gave was in his favor. What you described sounds like the ideal for puzzle design.
>>729459939bzzt wrong72kg. You use the scale in the mausoleum to get your weight in ancient la mulanese, record that shit, figure out the la mulanese alphabet, and then figure out that the first 10 symbols of that alphabet also correapond to numbers. There's hints to guide you through all of this but it won't be easy to draw the connections
>>729460201there's logic but the logic is not easy. Hints are spread across the map, and are often wrapped in metaphor
Imagine a classic style Tomb Raider game with La-Mulana's structure and puzzle design.
kino game10/10 OSTfuck chamber of birth
>>729460320It's not meant to be easy, that's the whole gimmick of the game. I think people are spoiled on typical video game puzzle design being effectively just "put the square peg in the square hole". Real non-video game riddles and puzzles aren't designed with the "everyone can solve them" philosophy.
>1/4th American
>>729460684She's really patriotic for only having an American grandparent
>>729460761Japamerica inspires patriotism.
Just use a guide like a normal person
>>729459869>I already got filtered by the sequel.How? It has some tough puzzles, but after seeing the first game nothing should completely stump you.>>729459881>>729460220The bullshit part about this puzzle is only the fact that if you start it and then exit the room, it locks itself from completion. This is garbage because the game very much trains you to read tablets whenever you can, but in that room only this behaviour leads to you getting fucked, and in all likelihood you won't find out until you make a few more saves.
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>>729460684It's unlikely Lemeza is her biological father since he was 15 when she was born. I believe it's intended to be a subtle archeology joke about Lemeza being into older women.
>>729460942Not him but I've been filtered on the Hall of Dead puzzle for ages. You have to enter like 9 doors in a correct order and it takes away 1 of your power-ups each time.
>>729460942>How? It has some tough puzzles, but after seeing the first game nothing should completely stump you.I don't know man, at some point I just got overwhelmed by the amounts of loose ends everywhere and I didn't feel like playing it for a while, and the longer I went without playing it the more scared I was to launch it again.
>>729461045Not sure if you're still trying, but there's an important hint in every location that entering a wrong door will teleport you to.
>>729458829This post is unironically a Chatbot specifically made to be contrarian to whatever the topic is. It's creator is Jewish and posts BBC porn.
>>729456798use a guide once you inevitably get stuck like everyone else
>>729461607>>729460865The best way to play is to have an autistic friend who knows the game give you hints whenever you get stuck.
>>729461531I'm pretty sure there's at least 30-50 people doing this on /v/, and that most of them are motivated by nothing other than they think it's funny and it's something easy to get away with.
>>729461045That is a good puzzle but I didn't find it that hard. From the order you lose items in you can narrow down what doors you need to take at the start, and from there you should manage. If you have low HP or gear you can also try to do other stuff first. Personally I did most of that area rather late because it took me a million years to find the Moon mantra.>>729461090I always kept a spreadsheet with notes when playing, if you didn't do that then not having played for a while can definitely do that to you. You might even benefit from starting a new save if you haven't played for a really long time.
>>729461785>If you have low HP or gear you can also try to do other stuff first. Personally I did most of that area rather lateConsidering the high gear requirements and the fact that the theme for the boss at the end of this is called "Last Guardian", I think it's intended that you clear you this area last.
>>729461928You're clearly supposed to finish it last, but you can do quite a bit of stuff first. IF you find the Moon mantra, that is. I basically only got all access points to that area after finishing pretty much everything else, so with all the hints I had it ended up being a bit disappointing.Rot13 big spoiler:V shyyl rkcrpgrq gur tb-guebhtu-gur-evtug-qbbef-va-gur-evtug-beqre chmmyr gb erdhver gur qbccrytnatre qbbe gb fjvgpu fvqrf ng fbzr cbvag, ohg va snpg lbh qba'g arrq gb qb gung naq bapr lbh svther bhg gung lbh unir gb tb cnfg gur cvyynef arne ng gur gbc bs bar bs gur fvqrf vg'f ernyyl dhvgr fgenvtugsbejneq.
>>729461531Shut the fuck up you pseudo-intellectual piece of shit, go play with your legos, faggot.
>>729456798There's a sign early on that says "don't read this again" follow its advice otherwise it locks you into hard mode
Post underrated trackshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBwi3D1gvG4Didn't appreciate this at first because it takes some time to get going but the more time I spent in Endless Corridor the more I started to like it.
>>729456798once you have "solved" Eden feel free to use a guide because that entire segment is bullshit. Then you can go back to playing without help from a wiki
>>729464117Also a bot response. Want to disprove my theory? Post a picture of your hand with a time stamp.
>>729465201one of the tracks that is way better in the original than the remake soundtrack
>>729466627I don't humor furfag subhumans
There are blind playthroughs of people who go through La-Mulana with (almost) no guidance and people on /v/ always pretend you literally have to look up every step in a guide.
>>729456798What's going on with the Maze of Galious remake? Feels like there's hasn't been an update in ages.
>>729469695I've been wondering about that too. Nigoro also teased a new IP forever ago which is based on ancient history similar to La-Mulana.
>>729456798Most "puzzles" (they are not really puzzles) become retardedly obtuse after the 5th Guardian.Other than that the game is not that difficult except that one thing everybpdy talks about.
>>729456798Complete bullshit obtuse puzzles of the harshest kind. Whether that's derogatory or a compliment is up to taste. Literal 10/10 best game ever for a subset of people, or 0/10 for others.
>>729470339Does Nigoro do anything anymore?
>>729471710Aren't they working on a remake of Maze of Galious for Konami?
>>729473086Yes, that's the point. Has been announced years ago and there's been complete radio silence about any progress.
>>729466636I think there's only a few real improvements, namely Moonlight Dance and Song of Curry.
Does anyone else remember how LM2 sounded way better at release and for some reason they decided to redo almost all the music?
I liked the first few areas because they were self-contained but once the game's puzzles started stretching across multiple areas and turned into moon logic I lost interest.
>>729473475that was a glitch with an early update. i don't think it was intentional.
>>729458195I bought it twice on two platforms but refuse to even start it because I dont use guides and I don't want to waste my time
>>729474210No, he's correct. Here's the two different soundtracks on steam. They talked about how they were gonna change it even before release, but I forget if there was ever reasoning for why.
>>729458195You're a fucking retard and posting this in every La Mulana thread is even more retarded.(You) couldn't finish it without a guide.
>>729473475Yeah never understood why they did that.I like it way more on release before the change, Heaven's Labyrinth song specially got butchered. That one was my favourite.
>>729474393maybe some bullshit about certain song being too similar to other music?
>>729474970even more baffling is how every thread has these poor liars claiming they finished it without a guide
>>729475448Thankfully I played it on release and made the guide for /v/.Spoilers for La Mulana 2, do not open if you're still playing it.
>>729460220>72>he doesn't know how to read
>>729475139iirc (I don't have the new version on my phone), it's wholly reinstrumented for whatever reason.
>>729473192https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0Q5ezgSiUgrim
>>729474393Is the version of the OST on Steam the original, or the remixed one?
>>729458829>The game is braindead because it makes you use your brain too much, so you have to look up a guide to not use your brain anymore
>>729456798>trial and error: the movie: the game
>>729478735Blind trial and error doesn't even really make sense in La-Mulana because if you don't know what you're doing, you can trial and error the same thing in 5000 different spots without making any progress.But you can trial and error the mantras
>>729478138To further progress in this reply chain, you must remember the first post you made 1 year ago and change your CSS to show the halloween 2010 theme of 4chan then get dubs.
>>729456798a shittier version of project nortubel
>>729478903>then get dubsthat's blue prince
>>729478859Which is a shame because I think that puzzle is really cool if you solve it but it's so much easier to just bruteforce without understanding why.
>>729456798If you're playing on a Steam Deck, change it to run via Proton and do NOT use the native version. The floating point math is fucked up in the native build and vertically moving platforms will ruin your day.
>>729478978>he doesn't know about get scriptingNGMI
>>729478925>look it up>it's some newgrounds project from 2022?What the fuck does this have to do with LM?
>>729457039Not just noteworthy - take pictures of EVERYTHING and note down EVERYTHING. The moment you think something isn't noteworthy, or decide you'll "just be right back" and leave the screen to go explore a bit more, that'll be the clue that you need to finish the game. It happened to me in both 1 and 2.
>>729478979Yep, on my first playthrough it took me ages to understand how it even made sense. But once I got it I had a much deeper appreciation for it. Too bad it's so easy to abuse what is otherwise a great puzzle.
>>729478859>But you can trial and error the mantrasThank god for that, I would have quit right then and there if I couldn't.Also, fuck the hell temple.
>>729475753LM2's game-long puzzle disappointed me so much because the reward was so weird. LM1's was way better.
I gave up playing the game because everyone kept telling me to take notes, but I started playing and didn't see anything I should write down. Since I didn't even understand the main hint, I realized the game would be too difficult for me.
>>729475448I barely post on 4chan, but these were the parts I got meme'd on by the 1st game:Backdoor after you kill the fish boss, while I had recognized the different sprite on that room, the design for the door is completely different for no good reasonSuper Mario puzzle, where you have to go down a pipe on the Giants area. If the pipe was on the ground rather than on a "floating platform" I'd be fine with itThat one item that gets spoiled on the game's manual, which lets you teleport to save tabletsMaybe there was another one, not sure, but that was about it. Everything else was without guide. Mulana 2 was 100% guideless, and by 100% I mean beating the game, not actual 100% completion. Keep in mind I beat the 1st just from memory, because I thought people talking about taking notes were just retards that were dropped by their mothers as babies, but I did pump up a lot of hours into a short time frame.1st game has a fair share of meme puzzles with straight up retarded solutions, so I don't believe in any pristine guideless completion, but 1 to 4 hints spoiled seems reasonable. 2nd game is pretty reasonable, no silly memes.Having said all that, 4chan is a place full of bright autists and inbred losers, sometimes both at the same time, and Mulana is a game that filters out the low IQ by design, so it could go either way with those claims, but I do tend to believe those claims, given the considerations I've mentioned.
>>729458195It's not that the game can't be finished without a guide, but you'll take dozens of hours to figure out some of the bullshit parts through repetitive try and error. Some puzzles are decently design, while others not so much like the witch shit to fight Baphomet or the part that you need to make your character sleep. Whoever saying that finished the game in less than 30+ hours without getting bored or annoyed is fucking lying, whoever says that abortion of a jump is not infuriating is completely retarded, since 50% of the difficulty of La Mulana 1 is fighting with that jump and the other half are puzzles. Then there's the stuff made to piss you off like the amount of texts you can record on the computer.I thought La Mulana 2 was better designed game, I did managed to beat the game without using a guide in 50+ hours except for a SINGLE puzzle at the end that I was too tired to backtrack.
>>729479834You're supposed to read the manual, so the holy grail doesn't really count.In particular, if you don't commit to memory the 5x4 thing in the manual, you're gonna have a bad time.
>>729473192>>729477647IS Konami holding my guys at Nigoro hostage?
>>729480121It's possible, but iirc Naramura's a man of fairly frail health so maybe it's just slow progress for personal reasons.
>>729479824The first area of the ruins (Gate of Guidance) is fairly self-containted and doesn't really require major notetaking. Also it's easy to revisit at all times in case you have the suspicion that you overlooked stuff later on in the game. As someone else already mentioned, you're also supposed to read the manual.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3MUKAwBFMMaybe try watching this Nigoro video and try giving it another chance. It took me like 4 restarts until I truly made it deep into the game because I kept getting filtered by early game stuff I just glossed over thinking this would be another one of those games you can just breeze through if you can put 2 and 2 together.
>>729473086I thought it might have been turned into Pampas & Selene but it turns out that was a different developer entirely
>>729479626Solving the puzzle is the reward. I thought the Underworld was way more interesting than the Eden. To me it's like the game itself is hyping up those two areas as these insane mind-blowing puzzles, given there were plenty of hints about it scattered throughout the levels, and while Eden had some outside-the-box puzzle solving, I didn't think it was too crazy. Underworld was obnoxious to traverse through, but fully figuring it out and solving the area was probably the most satisfying moment from both games.>>729479975Like pretty much anyone else, I just brute forced my way through. It's a dogshit puzzle in my book anyway, so I'm glad that option was available. Interesting concept, but awful communication to the player about it in the form of a proper reasonable hint.
Worst ending in a videogame
>>729480813You know, this sounds like a bit of an exaggeration
>>729456798TAKE NOTES OF EVERYTHINGEVEN THE IRRELEVANT THINGSESPECIALLY THE IRRELEVANT THINGS
Are the riddles really that unfair?
What is the best version of this nowadays? I got about halfway many years ago.
>>729456798I don't think it's a real brain Buster at all. It's not like a proper puzzle game. It's just a metroidvannia that actually needs you to pay attention and take note of everything.
>>729483258I think a common notion is that the hints aren't really unfair, they're just poorly translated in the first game. So it leads to unclarity and ambigious directions. The second game has a cleaner translation and is much clearer in what it wants you to do.
>>729483209he goes back to playing video games after he wastes all the tourist money and his whores leave
>>729483209I know people like this IRL
>>729458481I beat it guideless over 6 months (150 hours ingame), got stuck for about two months before stumbling on the knee solution. The mantras are fairly easy to brute force since there's no punishment for trying every room. It took me three playthroughs to properly understand the logic behind them, it's very badly conveyed.Still no idea how to get into the secret field though>>729473475Yeah and I'm sad the youtube channel that had all the release music got nuked, now you can only listen to the new arrangements
>>729473475Oh hey someone did upload the original version of the soundtrack here :https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/la-mulana-2-pre-1.7.7.2-version-macos-ps4-switch-windows-xbox-one-gamerip-2018
>>729486236Holy fuck finally I can listen to the good version of Rave Into The End againIt's insane how much better it sounded than what we have now
>>729486236The Ancient Chaos music is an absolute banger. Still have an earworm.
