Think about it for two minutes. You departed from Lumiére to save the people, no questions asked. The characters swore an oath. Why would you then side with a bunch of egotistical demiurges who want to destroy the world because they are *suffering*?>but everything is going to die anywaysNot my problem. If everything has to die,>but what if Renoir or Aline returnWhat if anything happens? What if a meteor falls on your head right now? We make decisions based on what we have. And Verso bitching that he has to have sex with Lune and Sciel does not make me care. >but Maelle needs to turn off the videogameNot my problem.>but it is destroying the familyNot my problem. If they didn't want their toy to fuck them over, they shouldn't have created the canvas. And the writer x painters thing? I am sad they can't both lose.If you picked Verso's ending, you also probably took the vax.
OP you're a fucking faggot
I picked Maelle's ending and I'm vaccinated.>Want to help herd immunity so that less boomers die from coof>Don't want to kill everyone in the painted worldBoth selfless actions
>>729463395wrong, Maelle's ending is obviously the turbo lib "pro-escapism" ending. it doesn't matter if your body is rotting away, just keep playing pretend with your imaginary friends!Verso's ending is the based "grow the fuck up" ending where you put childish things away and get back to your real life
>>729463395Maelle's ending is literally the "but think of the (imaginary) children" ending
>>729463869>>729463963>The painted people aren't real!!! Only the Dessendres matter!Verso's ending really is the brainlet ending. Just like not being vaccinated.
>implying painted people are not alive and real Reminds me of the discussion with the monk in CP2077, regarding Johnny and if he is alive or not as an engram
two more weeks
Aline's grief and suffering is nobody's problem but hers.Sciel, Lune, and everyone else in Lumiere are people with thoughts, feelings, dreams, the ability to have children, and personal agency. They shouldn't have to be nuked just because Renoir can't slap a bitch and send her off to an asylum.>but-but-but they're not real!And you think you are?
>>729463963It’s not even that, since the last Verso-Maelle fight makes it clear she doesn’t give a shit about Lumiere and just wants to have an easy life in her dollhouse forever. “Think about muh imaginary children” is the Maelle fan cope, because they know full well her real reasons are indefensible.
>>729463395>bluepilled goy who wants to stay in the archon cube pretending he isn't vaxxmaxxedLOL
>>729464420If I’m playing as verso then you obviously pick his ending because this is an RPG, and his quest isn’t the same as the E33. Verso’s character making this decision makes the most sense.
>>729464603>the Father and the Son try to show everyone the way to Truth and set the divine spark of the Holy Spirit Verso free from the cube>muh good vibes femoids try to ruin it
>>729464548I don't care why Maelle is doing it, I care about the consequences. I didn't choose Maelle's ending for her sake. I chose it for the sake of everyone living in the painted world. Ultimately, Verso and Maelle are the people that don't really matter here. Maelle is fine either ways and Verso just wants to kill himself and doesn't care if he takes everyone else with him.
if you played this astroturfed game you're vaccinated
>>729464729If you're playing Verso in the final fight, you locked yourself to that ending since the devs gave you the choice to fight as Maelle or Verso vs the other.
>>729463395>If you picked Verso's ending, you're probably smart and normalDarn, I got owned or something?
>>729464548Take the Lunepill, who is tired of wrangling these morons.I don't care about Maelle's reasons at all, I care about Lumière being alive once these dramatic pieces of shit are done throwing their fit.Verso's ending is the guaranteed total destruction of the world because he suffers from having straight sex.I am also pretty sure Guillaume and the head writer are fucking, but I can't prove it.
>>729464729>this is an RPGIt is funny because the only RPG thing about it is the Mario Party combat.
>>729464892
>>729463395>anti vaxxer has an opinionyou'll be dead soon enough
>>729464992He's cute. I'd fuck him.
>>729464992They are both unmarried, both mirror each other and share the same aversion to good writingThey are 100% fucking.
>>729463395Kikes want you to pick the Maelle ending irl you retard.
>>729464420Aline is the real antagonist. she commandeered her children's minecraft server and now her husband is going to delete the save file and now the children lose their childhood playground. It's cool to log into your old server you played on with your friends 15 years ago and remember all the things you did together but now they can't do that because their mom is being retarded.
I'm sure the thread would be interesting if you spoke normally.
>>729464420>And you think you are?Until a God comes down and kills us all, yes.Creator gods have a right to do whatever they want and Verso is acting in capacity of Renoir, a creator godIt's not an issue of the canvas people being real or not, it's the issue of God like figures having the right to do whatever they want, and they doThe strong always do whatever they want, that holds true for animals and humansFor the sake of our survival, we breed and forcefully birth animals only to kill them, if a God like figure wants to kill us for any reason, of what consistency can we deny them the right we do all the time?
>>729464761>>729464892If you care about the painted people, think long and hard what the fact that Maelle is by far the worst painter in the family and that she couldn’t even bring back Lune and Sciel without their chroma being fresh and right there and Verso guiding her means for them. What do you think happened to literally everyone else, who had been dead for much longer, Maelle didn’t know their essence (aka what personality was she even supposed to paint), and without any experienced and talented painter helping her? There’s a reason the handful of Lumierans we see in her ending look like soulless copy pasted NPCs and not varied people we saw in the prologue.The game itself doesn’t care about anyone except the Dessendres after Act 2, and clearly doesn’t expect us to either. The painted people are gone forever; the only question if their death had some dignity or whether their crappy facsimiles now have to exist as temporary window dressing for a drug-addicted teenage god before Renoir finally says fuck it and burns the canvas for good.
I chose verso ending
>>729465613>who had been dead for much longerBro, when your best argument is "But maybe when Verso fooled everyone into committing mass genocide, he made it so that they couldn't return, so now you should totally give him what he wants", you should probably reconsider.The game proves you wrong anyways. Lune and Sciel are happy. Pierre is there and there's nothing indicating he's some soulless NPC, or Sciel would surely notice. You're just coping to try to justify your objectively wrong genocidal choice.
>>729465594>The strong always do whatever they want, that holds true for animals and humansYou make me ashamed of being a social darwinist.The strong lives, the weak dies is not supposed to be a death sentence if you are weak. You don't really know how strong you are until you are put against the wall and forced to react. You are supposed to prosecute the death of the strong and die if you are uncapable of doing so.But it is only fair that you try. By submitting to Verso's nonsense, you are surrendering your fate to the gods instead of overcoming their curse.In a competitive world, those that succumb to fatalist ideas and give up on competing are just more victims of the game. It is nothing special or glamourous, you were beaten through means that did not even require your murder.This is why the game needs a third ending where we kill Verso, kill the gods, tell everyone to fuck off the painted world, then continue going forward enslaving Verso (who, in his foolishness, helped the traitor. You never help anyone because every good deed on this Earth is punished, and you never help the traitor or the fool because in the consequences of their actions those are one and the same).Verso is ultimately to blame for his own suffering. He doomed his own family by saving his sister. Clea would never have done that. He sabotaged his family more than Maelle ever could. He should have known Aline would have had a woman moment.
>>729463395>Why would you then side with a bunch of egotistical demiurges who want to destroy the world because they are *suffering*?You didnt understand Verso. The main goal of Verso was to free his mother from the painting. If all he wanted to do was die then why did he help Alicia when Renior was killing him. He could have accomplished his goal of dying right then and there by refusing to help her. He wanted to save his family, and when he saw Aline enter the canvas again and Alicia going down the same path as her he understood they'd never stop, and chose to end it all to save them
>>729464892>I care about Lumière being alive once these dramatic pieces of shit are done throwing their fit.BECAUSE ALICIA IS RETARDED WOMANCHILD(well, she's 16 so just child). IF SHE JUST KEPT HER WORD AND LEFT CANVAS NONE WOULD NEED TO DESTROY IT, maybe they'd even restore all the gommaged people to make up, but no, that stupid bitch had to lie to Renoir and Verso and forcing Verso's hand
>>729466092Verso was the one who truly fucked up by saving his sister after she betrayed the family.
>>729466059Except Monoco already knew what Verso was gonna do when they went into that island. Verso was always just looking for different excuses to do what he wanted to do: Kill himself. His justifications are just him manipulating himself like he manipulates everyone else.You fell for his masquerade.
>>729466169he loves his family too much not to save his sister
>>729466092>V-v-v-verso would have totally not tried to kill himself if only things had gone slightly differentlyKeep telling yourself that lolYou fell for his manipulation. Just like everyone else. (Including himself).
>>729466197Monoco knew what the outcome of freeing Aline would have been. Jist because you're a retard and don't understand something when it isn't explicitly told to you doesn't mean shit. Look at their faces in act 3, it tells you everything. You see a shimmer of hope in Verso's face when Alicia save him from Renior, and you see confusion and despair when Aline re-enters the canvas.
>>729463395I just refuse to lose my Lune.
>>729466297you didn't answer why Verso decided to help Alicia escape Renoir and then force him out of painting. He could have died then and there, but he believed Alicia words, he wanted to believe because he wanted his sister to be happy. Turns out she's lying brat
>>729463395>Canvas, writer, paintersHoly cringe
>>729466413Yeah, bro, Maelle is the liar. Such a manipulating cunt. Poor Verso just happened to have the circumstances give him yet another great excuse to do what he always wanted to do the entire game.
>>729466258He loves his family so much that he pretty much doomed them in their war with the writers. All of this to save the worst painter in the family, who brought this all upon herself. Take his forever slavery in the canvas as a punishment, then ask yourself if Maelle isn't right for wanting to live in the painted word when Verso (a saint) was good and was punished like this for his good deed.
I just imagined infinite amount of imaginary people and then TORTURED all of them deadSomebody stop me!
>>729466524>Maelle is the liar. Such a manipulating cuntSo. Did she NOT lie to Verso and Renoir?
Reminder real Verso isn't even dead and he just eloped with some writer thot. No wonder Painted Verso is such a manipulative cunt. He's just copying the original.
>>729465920Sure, anon, the ending is framed like a literal horror movie because everybody is so happy there. Lune and Sciel being dressed like Maelle’s copies, Sciel suddenly having black hair like Verso, everyone acting and sitting like Maelle’s orbiters is not creepy at all. And the image having no color - unlike the Verso ending - is a sign of happiness and joy, I’m sure. It’s not like the rest of the game used monochrome image to show exclusively nightmares, dead memories and horrors or anything.
Might makes right. SImulacrums have no say in their existence and if that makes you feel uncomfortable then that's your problem.
>>729466524You dumb faggots can't even pay attention to the dialog of one character and expect people to choose the maelle ending. Kill yourself Verso's soul deserves to rest and not paint for eternity
>>729463395The Virgin>Their all fake!!!VsThe Chad>I care about themes and character more than setting and in that the Verso ending is way betterVerso Arguments
The canvas also does like the moment there is a flood or like someone trips and hits it with a bottle of wine
>>729466026Actually gayest shit I read in a while I would beat you to death as is my right after reading this.
>>729466646Verso was the liar the entire way through. And he once again lied to himself when he came up with another excuse to do what he always wanted to do from the beginning.Verso lied to get Gustave killed. He lied to have the genocide happen. He lied to the party the entire way through. And he once again lied to try to kill everyone once again at the end. And like a fucking idiot, you fell for his lie yet again, because you have no pattern recognition.
>the painted people are realYou speak truth, and it changes nothing.
>>729466784If you hate Verso for lying then you have to hate both Monoco and Esquie
Correct take is to romance Lune as VersoThen kill her in his ending.This way you bring painted Verso story full circlein Expedition 0 he betrays and kills Julia, women that he loved, justifying it that Aline will bring her backin Expedition 33 he betrays and kills Lune, women that he loved, but he doesn't justify it because he knows none is coming back
Only physical things get to be real
>>729466921Based
>>729463395I wholeheartedly agree, anon.I might add that the Verso ending is the one for those who did not truly understand the story or choose to focus only on its most superficial elements, namely "realness or fakeness of people", "trolley problem", "grief", "moving on", "escapism", "breaking whatever cycle", all those boring topics easily accessible to normies.The truth of the matter is that the Verso ending is both the cuck ending AND the escapism ending. The cuck ending because you choose to side with the villains, who are responsible for making our group of protagonists miserable. The escapism ending, because it is the one where no one faces consequences for their actions, Aline does not pay for her actions, Renoir does not pay for his actions, pVerso does not pay for his actions, instead they are rewarded, and the characters who did nothing wrong? well they are punished. THAT is the Verso ending fellows, the ending where nothing matters, where actions have no consequences, where you are not responsible for anything.True chads who understand the deep meaning of the story choose to fight as Maelle, everytime.
>>729466921>he betrays and kills JuliaAckshually, Julia betrays Verso and he's forced to kill her.
>>729466784you keep refusing to answer on simple question. Did Alicia LIE to Verso and Renoir? I am not talking about Verso lying but about Alicia
>>729466693Whatever you say, tard. Face it, you're in headcanon territory. If anything, the horror scenes are for the fact that Verso is suffering (Boo hoo, nigga) and that Maelle is killing herself (Worth it. The lives of the painted people are more important than her life alone). Pierre is clearly normal and completely shatters your headcanon. Not only that, but you are literally trying to justify a Verso genocide with another Verso genocide that happened earlier. It'd be like if I knifed your mother and then convinced you to let me shoot her in the head because an ambulance couldn't make it in time by now anyways. Look at all the blood on her throat.
>>729465594based
>>729467036>the Verso ending is ... the escapism endingImpressive shitpost
>>729467121So what happens after Alicia dies in the paining? Renoire will just move on and the painting will continue to exist forever and ever and ever because the voices in your head declare it so?
>>729466960Paintings are physical things.Physical things inside of a Bag of Holding are real.
>>729463395>everyone is actually real, but fuck painted verso and his soul>I could just come back and repaint everyone like I'm going to do anyway, but real life is hard :'(>brb gonna look 90 by my twenties
>>729467215>Heh, what happens when you die 50 years from now rather than right now?Smartest Verso ending argument.
>>729463395why do french people have an ass on their nose
>>729463395I was just sick of the game so I did a marche ending out of spite.
>>729463395I didn't depart to do anything. None of the characters are self inserts.
>>729467294>50 years from now rather than right now?Not him, but Aline was about to die and they hadn't even buried Verso yet.
Most important question game doesn't answer. What would happen if real person had child with painted person in canvas. What then?
>>729467294I very much doubt Alicia will be able to hold out for 50 entire years. I'd say 20-ish years is more likely and that's really pushing it.
>>729467294>Burn life to remain in a already broken world which gets erased anyways after your death instead of using the potential to make many worlds>Player justifies it based on people who all already dead by the start of Act 3
>>729467401I'd give her two weeks max
>>729467375You took the ending with Alicia's face evaporating too literally if you think she was literally about to die, in my opinion.
>>729467385They would get an abortion.
>>729467261They can never leave the canvas
>>729466921>in Expedition 0 he betrays and kills JuliaYou didn’t read the journal, did you? 0 betrayed and tortured him because he dared to tell them the truth.
>>729467401Ok, and would you rather die now or 20 years from now? Don't answer that, actually. Verso ending pickers may just be suicidal. Very sad.>>729467463>who all already dead by the start of Act 3Oh, the people that Verso killed? Right. This is your best argument. The whole "I knifed your mom so let me shoot her in the head now". It's not even true, but even if it were, this is what you got lol
>>729467486The canvas stretches beyond its bounds
>>729467481Reread, anon. Aline, not Alicia.
>>729467562no he lied and gaslit Julia. he DIDN"T TELL HER THE TRUTH
>>729467648Anon... Aline is obviously more powerful than Alicia and Alicia is not gonna live as long as Aline, but...The cataclysm happened with Renoir and Aline fighting each other. That happened 67 fucking years ago inside the world. What was a few months for them was two generations for the painted people.Even if Alicia's lie only kept Renoir at bay for a whole week, that would still likely be something like a year for the paitned people. Worst case scenario, that's still better than dying now.
>>729467591Using your analogy, yeah shooting a corpse isn't as bad as the kill itself and placing potential resurrection in the calculus is a waste.But not as much of a waste of Alicia sacrificing herself for this one world is. The dead are dead and its best to move off.
>>729467591If lives are so important to you, then the most optimal ending would be Verso's, as healing the family would make them paint more paintings with even more life in them.You'd truly choose only 20 years over multiple lifetimes? And I thought I was supposed to be the suicidal one.
>>729463395TrvkeMalding vaxxtards itt
>>729467783>The dead are dead and its best to move off.Clearly not, as seen with Pierre. It's funny, your cucked mentality of letting your mom getting shot isn't even true but you're still trying to abide by it so bad.
>>729467778>that would still likely be something like a year for the paitned people. Worst case scenario, that's still better than dying now.They really hated only being able to survive another year already
>>729463395>december 2025>i am forgottenhow long until this absolute piece of shit dies and is forgotten forever? i'd say around mid january there isn't going to be a single thread about it anymore
>>729467121For the sake of the argument, let’s say the Maelle ending people are normal and not fucked up zombies as they seem to be. Lune and Sciel knew Verso, they knew he was suffering and only wanted to die. Why are these completely normal, definitely not zombie people laughing and joking while a terminally depressed suicidal man is clearly distressed on stage before their eyes? They know he wants none of this, so why are they acting like they’re at a fun party?
>>729467864Have you ever had a death in the family anon?It fucking hurts, it hurts a lot, but you can't wallow in it and trying to bring back the dead doesn't help anyone.
Just get all endings you faggots
>>729467805>as healing the family would make them paint more paintings with even more life in themOh wow, yeah, I really want that. I want these egotistical psychopathic selfish freaks to create even more life that they will not be minimally responsible for.Do you also wish for whores to get impregnated as often as possible so that they can abort a million times?No, motherfucker. Your toddler tier ethics don't move me. The painted people deserve to live and they aren't gonna die for the sake of your dysfunctional godly family.
>>729468139>Oh wow, yeah, I really want that. I want these egotistical psychopathic selfish freaks to create even more life that they will not be minimally responsible for.he says this while advocating for egoistical, selfish and immature Alicia creating what life she wants in this canvas
>>729467778>That happened 67 fucking years ago inside the world. She became a painting hermit after Verso died and he wasn't even buried. that's like 2 irl hours for every year in the canvas at max unless she's getting an IV while inside.
>>729467989>Lune and Sciel knew Verso, they knew he was suffering and only wanted to dieLike fucking hell they did. He tried manipulating them and was never honest about that to begin with.
>>729468139Bold of you to assume a conclusion that is favorable to your argument.But au contraire, healing the family will bring them back together (as is shown in Verso's ending) and when the family was together, they made life full of happiness and satisfaction (as is shown in Verso's drafts).
>>729468178Alicia’s wounds had already healed by the time she ended up in the painting, so it must’ve been at least a month or two since the fire unless the painters just heal super fast.
>>729467036Blessed take. This is the true will-to-power, greatness and act of rebellion against the literal gods of this wretched world. Maelle chose that it is better to live a year as a goddess than a hundred as a slave.
>>729468243Pierre was brought back and he died before the gommage. Gustave's sister was brought back and she was gommaged. Lune and Sciel couldn't tell a difference. These were lives that were saved.>>729468259What? Anon, the events of Renoir and Aline clashing with each other over Verso's death canonically happened 67 years ago inside the Painted World. This is not up for debate. It's a fact of the story.
Verso's ending is 1:1 for retarded Republican shit
>>729467989Let me enlighten you, anon.You assume that since the people in the Maelle ending are zombies/puppets, and since Verso does not want to play the piano, and since the opera is just a dollhouse for the tyranical god Maelle, that obviously must mean this is the bad ending.This is the other way around, you have already decided this is the bad ending, because you got tricked by the art direction, and now you're making up headcanons to rationalize it.Use your head, follow the advice of your toughlove daddy Renoir, see things as they are, not how you want them to be.
>>729468262Sciel, Lune, Monoco and Esquie knew Verso well enough that if they saw him there on stage in state he is they'd knew something is not alright. The fact that neither Sciel nor Lune react means Alicia painted over everyone to behave how she wants
Cope.
>>729468546>tricked by the art directionA level of cope so bad you need to treat the people making the game as making it in bad faith.
I think I get it.Maellefags relate to being slaves stuck inside situation outside of their control (it's not their fault!) while Versofags assume they are the masters of their own destiny, whatever it may result in.
>>729468563Yeah, faggot? Then what does this expression by Sciel mean when Verso is suffering? There goes another one of your retarded headcanons. Mongoloid.You Verso ending pickers are just consummate liars that will do anything to try to justify your shit ending. Hey... Just like Verso!
>>729467630False
>>729463395>trying to have serious debate about a chatgpt written games plotlmao
>>729468415>gustave's sister was brought back and she was gommagedMotherfucker can't even pay attention to the ending that he's fellating, that's Sophie not Emma. Emma is nowhere to be seen in Maelle's ending.
>>729468768>i don't understand it, so it must be chatgptOkay boomer
>>729468546>Use your head, follow the advice of your toughlove daddy Renoir, see things as they are, not how you want them to beIt is pointless to convince them that the thing that was pushed down their throat and required them to be rewarded for obliging and punished for not obliging turns out to be a really stupid idea."For those who come after" means nothing to these people. They do not understand what the game is truly about, they are just coasting through and let Verso hijack Expedition 33 like he and Renoir did to all the others. Except this time, Verso is hijacking it for his own genocidal goal.
>>729468546BasedThe horror ending is a representation of Maelle killing herself and Verso being forced to suffer.These people keep trying to come up with different copes because they simply don't want to admit that they did the absolutely brainlet move of killing hundreds if not thousands of people for the sake of Verso's manipulative crybaby shtick and the sake of a single dysfunctional family.You picked the genocide ending. No amount of cope will change this.
>>729468847not only was chatgpt hallucinating while "writing" this dogshit plot, but now you are as well.
>>729468335Good point. Thoughts on the grave scene just being a memorial visit over a burial then?>>729468415>This is not up for debateI know, time passes slower in the canvas so 67 years without eating or drinking would be 5 days irl on the generous side.
>>729468949I don't get it, do you honestly think there's not a single person here who knows you're shitposting?
>>729468896>You picked the genocide ending. No amount of cope will change this.I won't apologize for it.
>>729468968Which only proves my point that Maelle's ending is the best ending. A single week of Renoir and Aline being out of Maelle's hair is enough for a whole generation of painted people to live. If I can pick between the world ending now or the world ending a century from now, I'd pick the latter every time.
>>729469021You better not be one of the posters that went "A-a-a-actually, they were actually all dead" or "T-t-t-they were just puppets" or "T-t-t-they'll die anyways"Because all of those are disguised apologies. Those posters are trying to change the terms of what they picked.
>>729463395No vaxx, no mask, coughing in public and I know E33 is GOTDecade, you filthy brown.
>>729469094>they were actually all deadThis one is quite literally what happens in the game well before you're given the choice, you can't act like it's not a factor.
>>729463395>You departed from Lumiére to save the people, no questions asked.Well no. Gustave did that, and he's DEAD. Since Verso becomes the new default player character (as indicated by who you control in camp), his motivations take precedence.
>>729466701They don't get it anon they're simulacrums. Take the gnosispill, Pneumatic, and join true society with the rest of us ensouled people as we complete the work
>>729463395I think a lot of people have absolutely no moral compass and this games proves it. Verso and Renoir are clearly evil.
>>729469028I would argue her time would be better spent telling mom to get a grip, and appeal to everyone's interest in not destroying the canvas.
>>729468881The "Those" in For Those who Come After ends up being Alicia.I get it, you don't like a story where the culmination of a civilizations efforts to survive is boiled down to the fate of a god, but that's what you got.Continue to cope or move on from a game that respects you so little it turned your ending into a jumpscare.
>>729469173It's not a factor when Pierre and Sophie and Gustave are there and Lune and Sciel treat them the same.And even if we didn't have proof in the game that it's not a factor, it'd still be a supposition of yours that is built on AN ACT BY VERSO. VERSO WAS THE ONE THAT KILLED THOSE PEOPLE.Assuming something in Verso's favor when he was the one that caused it to begin with is psychotic. Again, you're assuming I should be allowed to shoot your mom in the head because I've already been able to knife her. It's absolute cuck mentality.
>>729469258I tried, but I love existing too much. I wish you guys luck though.
>>729469275Your talking with a different anon there, I'm the one who made the already dead argument.
>>729469270>you don't like a story where the culmination of a civilizations efforts to survive is boiled down to the fate of a god, but that's what you gotNo, it isn't. That's what you got out of it because you're a brainlet. You killed thousands for the sake of a handful of retards.
Clea was right, who fucking cares lmao. You don't owe the people of the continent anything.
>>729469275Don't care, bringing people back from the dead goes against what it means to be human. They were already dead at the start of act 3.
>>729469094I picked the ending for Alicia, even if it means killing everyone in Canvas
>>729469387Nah, I got what the game was putting down, your just throwing a tantrum because the game does not align with your personal morality.
>>729469445Finally, a TRUE Aliciafag appears.
>>729468610Fench faggots tried to make maelle's ending look bad with the scary sound but it aint working on me. They tried their hardest to force their own opinions on what's good and bad down your throat and to tell you what to think. This is all the more reason to choose maelle's ending. The real good ending.
People who actually think it matters that Verso suffers are hilarious. The man tricks his friends into murdering hundreds of thousands of people, the people they're trying to save. He betrays everyone including his depressed, suffering little sister, all so he can kill himself because he's depressed. He's worse than any school shooter.He deserves to suffer.
>>729469457Anon, just so you know, going "There's an objectively correct good ending and it's the one that agrees with me. The developers agree with me and they think you picked wrongly" is the surest sign that you lost the argument. I accept your concession.
>>729468896>You picked the genocide ending. No amount of cope will change this.*Claps*
>>729469391Clea is retarded and will regret destroying the painting in like 10 years, just like I regret selling all my super nintendo games to gamestop.
>>729469481Correct. I picked Maelle's ending because I care about the painted people. Alicia and Verso are irrelevant compared to the fate of thousands.People that picked Verso's ending are just different flavors of Dessendrecucks.
Monoco and Esquie are so loyal to Verso they're ready to die for him. Verso doesn't care though, he will just let them die so he gets to die.
>>729469540I never said it was objectively good, they are both shit endings, just that one is better as it aligns with the games theems.
>>729469598>hijacking a post stack just because you're butthurt that you're being called a retard by most people in the threadCouldn't be me
>>729469347Thanks, anon. There will be a place provided for you.
>>729469592Nah you're projecting your own decision upon her. Clea dealt with her grief in a more responsible manner is better for it.
>>729469667Nice headcanon. You got BTFO by >>729469539 >>729469598 and >>729469631And only one of those is (Me) :)
>>729463869This. Maelle faggots are liberal trannies from Reddit. Thread over.
>>729469598Settings are made for stories not the other way around anon.
>>729469683Clea tortures pClea something horrible, same with Simon. She treats Alicia really badly as well, terrible person.
>>729469683>Clea dealt with her griefThat's the neat trick writers pulled. Clea is not over her grief, she wants to kill people responsible because of her grief instead of playing in canvas
>>729469725And the story is that you let thousands get genocided while I didn't.
>>729469683it's not just grief it's about pointlessly throwing away a childhood memory that you could just as easily stick on the wall and reminisce about.that's why some people have walls covered in funko pops instead of things from their life that have actual meaning because without thinking they just throw shit away.
>>729464260You faggots always make the assumption that painted people and Dessendres are equal, they are not.Dessendres are gods to the painted people.Yes, a single painter is significantly worth than an entire canvas because they can create more canvas worlds
>>729469683Clea "dealt" with her grief by going to war and growing to hate most of her own family.
>>729463395This is a continuation of the Shepard indoctrination theory a decade later, except Mass Effect is an RPG. Some evil illusion comes to you once again (Starchild is Verso), tries to convince you that acting against your self-interest is the best thing to do, then gives you the choice of doing it or not doing it.The correct ending is destroying the machines in ME3 (which Starchild / Verso wants to stop you from doing) to protect the lifestyle of people, which is equivalent to the Maelle ending.This game is not an RPG, it is one of those Disney 4D attraction amusement park rides. But the fact it gives you one (1) choice in the entire game and so many people fail and get swindled by Verso proves that giving people a choice is a mistake. They are easily manipulated by a bias in the information they are provided, and are thus indoctrinated without even realizing so.This is why people's choices should not be respected or heard in any political system. This game accidentaly provided a masterclass on how people can easily be convinced to decide against themselves.
Gustave treats Maelle with respect, she wants to go on the expedition, so he lets her, because he's not her jailer. Renoir should take notes and not use violence to force his will on others.
>>729466297You forget that Verso has been suffering for decades.It's not just that he can't go back to Lumiere, he knows about the "real" world and how his family is fighting. His mother is dying and then he realizes that his sister is doing the same thing.
>>729469918People and worlds that already exist are more important than those that have the "potential" to exist.
>>729469683grief? she couldn't care less about some dead loser. she's selfish and cares only about herself. in the last scene she only down laid the flowers because it's expected and immediately walked away with a smug face. only the parents were sad and alicia she was daydreaming about her painted world clearly unhappy.
>>729469918Personally I value people based on their virtues, and being powerful is not a virtue. Renoir, Clea, Verso, these people are horrible people in terms of character, they kill and torture innocents, lie and deceive, force their will on others through violence. Maelle, Sciel, Lune, Monoco and Esquie are virtuous characters, they're loyal, kind, caring, honest, protect the innocent etc.
>>729466026>you are surrendering your fate to the gods instead of overcoming their curse.Oh, are you upset that canvas people didn't survive because they didn't use the power of friendship?
>>729469795They're not real anon, you're supposed to interpret an art piece through your lived experience and not as a checklist of "this stuff made me feel good and this stuff made me feel bad". It's a game about cope fiction, why do you think one ending is presented as a fiction and one is presented as reality. Why do you think Maelle says to Gustave "I can't tell if you're like my brother or my father". He's a PAWN, his story is to make us feel invested and feel that something of irreplaceable value has been taken from you. Think like an artist in the real world and not like a consoomer. Think about why the game would force you to do something that feels so vile while presenting it as the "good" moral choice.I think both endings are great, particularly the Maelle ending, and make sense, and are presented as they ought to have been.
>>729469918Anon, if someone proves that the world we live in is a simulation and that the people that caused the simulation are actively trying to shut the world down, I would not accept this. I'd try to keep living. You, on the other hand, would kill yourself. You're a cuck. And I'm not. Skill issue on your part.
>>729470057His real sister is right there in the canvas with him and she asks him to stop trying to kill everyone but he doesn't. He decides to help the "mother" he doesn't even like, the mother who doesn't even want his help. He's retarded.
>>729470284>They're not real anonIn fiction, the painted people are real.And in reality, they are as real as the non-painted people. They're all bytes.Either ways, the Verso ending is the brainlet ending.
>>729470417>in fictionYou just can't with these people.
>>729470337>she asks him to stop trying to kill everyoneshe says she made peace with dying
>>729463395i kill verso because he's a lying unlikable faggotsimple as
>>729469270>"those" is one personoh boy, I did not expect this level of cope, but I imagine versotards know no bounds when it comes to being disingenuous, just like their favorite character as it happens!to even use expedition mottos to rationalize the victory of the family that tormented them, someone did not read the room!
>>729470017I am shocked by how good and mature the expeditioners are as people compared to the Dessandres.There is a saintly aspect to the expedition and those who partake in it, which are embodied very well by the expeditioners. The painted people like Gustave, Lune and Sciel are much better and mature as human beings than the painted neurotics. The entire motto and attitude of the expeditions being aimed towards assured sacrifice for the sake of those that will try in the future has a saintly aspect to it. Even the mother in the prologue who decides to have children displays an immense trust and respect to the sacrifice of expeditioners, even when the game itself portrays her as silly. Even Sophie decided against having children because although she does not partake in the hope that the expeditioners will succeed enough to bring someone to her world, she still does not want others to suffer.This game's ultimate litmus test is to convince them that these people put under an extreme circumstance and tasked with a sisyphian existential struggle against gods themselves somehow deserve to be destroyed because they are lesser people.The expeditioners deserve to live because they fight against literal gods for the sake of their people. If they have to enslave Verso for the world to live, so be it.
>>729470507She despises him after he betrays the party and her. Won't even look at him much less talk to him, she just wants to die. Verso is so damn evil.
>>729463395Verso is such a boomer ending. The only one "happy" is the boomer father and the brain rotted mother. Everyone else suffers for his ego. He couldn't let his daughter actually enjoy life, no, she is a prop for his life. Such as a boomer.>Ooooh noooo I have to live in a fantastical land with all my friends and I'm forced to play the piano oh noooooo my life is horrible!!!!what a fucking baby
>>729463395I chose Alicia's ending, but my heart yearned for Gustave's ending where he yeets Alicia out for her own good, and Renoir doesn't have to burn the painting anymore because Guatave vows that Lumiere and it's descendants will train and get stronger with even better Lumina converter tech to keep Desandre fucking shits out.
>>729470123All of the canvas worlds are equal.And a painter is a god to those worlds, the canvas worlds are beneath them.>>729470206What's your point exactly? It's not about the persons or the subjective value score you give them. The painters are above the painted people and their worlds >>729470286No, you'd just make up a bunch of assumptions and put words in others mouth.But if you do want to know, I would just continue to live my way. The people outside of the simulation can decide to flip a switch and turn it off, I am powerless to stop it.
>>729470417>In fiction, the painted people are real.You misinterpret what is said in the game.It's up to each artist, to some they are real, to others they are not (Clea)
>>729470716>What's your point exactly? It's not about the persons or the subjective value score you give them. The painters are above the painted people and their worldsYou value people based on power and I value them based on their character. I think my morals are far superior to yours.
>>729470818Clea is literally the only artist that doesn't even see them as human beings and she's obviously a psycho you're not supposed to sympathize with. What the fuck is up with you?
>>729470818But Clea is wrong? The game makes it clear that the people she tortures are conscious beings who suffer greatly.
>>729470880Not really what I said at all.I haven't mentioned morals, this is about if painted people are equal to painters.
>>729470707This.Some games have worlds that deserve to be destroyed (like Elden Ring, where the best ending is chaos and everything else is a vague bullshit distraction because no one even knows what the game is about). But the Canvas doesn't.The Canvas has far too many good people and creatures who are the absolute antithesis of their neurotic creators and have to live with their idiotic decisions.If the canvas has to be genocided after everything the people went through, you are just tossing in the trash all you did in game since Act 1 and commiting genocide against people who are in all regards better human beings than the Dessandres.The more you think about it, the more stupid Verso's ending becomes.
>>729470997People who pick Verso's ending have no right to criticize Clea, since they want the Canvas creatures to suffer all their life then want to kill them off after for the sake of a god.
Correct ending: The one i picked, and no, i don't feel the need nor am put in a position where i have to justify myself to anything and or anyone
>>729471036This is the part where Versofags go "NOOO BUT VERSO ALREADY SUCCEEDED AT KILLING THEM ALL AT THE END OF ACT 2, JUST CONCEDE ALREADY. GOOD THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN." and then they pretend Pierre and Lune are some puppets or whatever other headcanon they have up their asshole.They will never be honest. They learned from Verso himself.
>>729470972Cry me a river nigger might makes right
>>729471025But that is a moral belief, that they're lesser beings. Why do you think they're worth less?
>>729470625With the red hair of one she-urchin in the gutter I will set fire to all modern civilization. That little urchin with the gold-red hair, whom I have just watched toddling past my house, she shall not be lopped and lamed and altered; her hair shall not be cut short like a convict’s; no, all the kingdoms of the earth shall be hacked about and mutilated to suit her. all around her the social fabric shall sway and split and fall; the pillars of society shall be shaken, and the roofs of ages come rushing down, and not one hair of her head shall be harmed. Chesterton.If we accept the fiction of the game, then there is a great supernatural evil happening to a person who we know for sure is Real and doesn't deserve it, and that your "good" can only be fulfilled by this unnatural punishment. Then good! Destroy it! It was rotten to the core if by nature it requires that sacrifice.
>>729471246I beat Clea and saved the world and sent Renoir packing, saw through Verso's pathetic lies and made him play the piano.
>>729470707I'm getting misty eyed imaging what could have been. Gustave deserved better. WE deserved better than that shitheel Verso.
>>729471356As is your prerogative. Maelle will eventually succumb and die and the future of the canvas is uncertain/doomed but at least you got to make your choice.
>>729471274>Why do you think they're worth less?I'm going to rephrase your question before I answer it:>Why do you think they're not equal?Because one can snap the other one out of existence while the other can't
>>729471531So because they're weaker they are of lesser worth. That was literally what I said your morality was and you disagreed.
Clap your hands or Tinkerbell dies
>>729471492And we'll both be dead 100 years from now. The important part is I'm not dead now.
>>729463395what causes someone to become so brain damaged
>>729470417The point is that they are background characters you spend an hour with in contrast to the main cast, and in that main cast the story focuses down even further to being mainly about Alicia and Verso.Its not an argument of it they are real within the context of the game. Its about how your meant to focus on the main characters and their struggles in the story the work is trying to tell.The people of Lumiare are in the games narrative construction a background prop meant to give context to the actual struggle the characters are going through. Incredibly well fleshed out props since the head writer cared about verisimilitude within the narrative, but props nonetheless for the big sad drama about grief and loss.You can hate that and resent the story for not giving an aspect you liked what you viewed as the proper amount of attention and respect, but that's not the story the game is trying to tell.
Does anyone know where the music that plays before Renoir summons the Dessendre canvas is from? I've listened to both T'aimer and Peindre and don't think it's in either. I'm talking about 8:30 in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yeBZ2Q0Ko
>>729471610Yeah but painted!You is dead in this picture I just drew. What a tragedy
Me when fictional people are not real
>>729463596fpbp
>>729471610So you identify with the herd (the painted world) rather than the masters (the painters)
>>729471652First off, this absolutely brainlet "Unnamed background NPCs don't matter and the story is just about the main characters" is always some truly horrendous baby brain shit that only bad writers and stupid people in general believe in.But it doesn't even apply here anyways. Because the game spends far more time focused on the tragedies of Lumiere, of Gustave, Lune and Sciel than they do on the Dessendre family.This isn't a matter of the story not focusing on Lumiere. It's just a matter of you being such a brainlet you have short term memory. By the time you got to the ending, you only remembered muh Verso vs muh Maelle, and you forgot everything else the game was about leading up to that. That's on you, man. Sorry about your low IQ.
>>729471805Personally I identify with the heroes of the story, Lune, Sciel, Maelle, Gustave, Monoco, Esquie etc. so I chose to defeat the evil men who are killing innocent people and save them.
>>729471652He's mad now anon you should come back and egg him on again
>>729471925Sure, the herd then
Hey, hear me out on this one.Do you think that if you are a real human in the painted world and then you realize you have to shit and then you go "brb need to take a shit irl" and then you come back after dropping a massive log and everybody you knew in the painting is already dead because it's been like a decade in the paintingAlso you think it's possible to paint some hot bitches, have breed them, go out for a minute or two and then return to have your daughters be at the same age of your the bitches you originally painted? I can understand how would renoir could get stuck in a painting once
I resurrected Gustave because playing as a woman is gay.
>>729472001Probably. I bet they can control the time in the canvas if they're not fighting over it, so like pause time flow or speed it up etc.
>>729463395>be fake people in a fake world>get all uppity when real people come along to put you back into nothingness from whence you cameshut the fuck up, fakeoid
>>729471632Verso mogging the player for picking the evil ending will buck break an entire generation
>>729463395As an artist I side with the owner of the canvas
>>729471828You mean the journal entries half of which are jokes?Like the head writer said it herself, the reason Luminaire is so fleshed out is because wanted to give depth to the NPCs and so made a big lore bible about all the expeditions... NPCs that barely show up after the first hour.And in doing so shows herself to be a talented if inexperienced writer as in making all that extra lore for the sake of depth is both a crutch for not being experienced enough to conceptualize in a vacuum, but also muddies the focus of the game, the thing which the majorly of emotional moments and cutscenes in the back half of the game, and even the entire climax focuses on.You are placing more value on the lore bible than the things in front of the proverbial camera.
Hold the line Gustavebros, Gustave DLC any day now...
>>729463395
>>729469714Truth.
>>729472374>any day now>devs just add an area about verso to rub it in how fucked up the canvas is right now
>>729463395It's not so much about being pro-Verso than it is about being anti-Maelle. Her ending is her being delusional and continuing the dysfunction in their family.
Verso pickers run out of arguments as always, the brainlet pick.
so they basically stole the plot from final fantasy tactics 2 with the wheelchair cripple being addicted to his isekai escapism world with the way maelle/alicia was writtensuper coolgo back to reality you nasty fucking disfigured dingus, pain in the ass. we already seen this story before
>>729472369>than the things in front of the proverbial camera.No, anon. You just forgot Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Monoco, and hell, even Maelle for 99% of the game. Oh yeah, and Painted Renoir and Painted Alicia, as well.Again, sorry about your short term memory. It's not my problem, though.
>>729472369No you see anon I felt the tragedy of Lumiere when I read the journal about the group that died due to eating mushrooms Esquie also ate
>>729472469They actually executed it properly, instead of what pizzacuter did.
>>729463395Lumiere remains dead in alicia's ending. You're a retard if you didn't get any of the thousand hints the devs dropped that lumiere was doomed from the start.
I chose Verso's ending because the volleyball mini game is fucked up and should not exist
>>729472473>You just forgot Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Monoco,they aren't real, who cares>you didn't pay attention to the imaginary scrumblo's super important bimblo shrimbus!fuck off with your tulpa bullshit
>>729471828First, they wanted you to do Verso's ending because it was moral.Then, they wanted to do Verso's ending because Maelle's is worse.Then, they abandoned all pretense and just confessed you need to do Verso's ending because they want to.This thread's discussion is already the resolution of the Maelle x Verso ending discussion. Clearly the people who pick Verso's ending are in a spectrum between indoctrination and just nihilistic evil.
>>729472447and that's a good thing.
>>729472520>I KNIFED YOUR MOM, LET ME SHOOT HER IN THE HEAD NOW, I SWEAR SHE'S DEAD, I SWEAR IT, BRO.Meanwhile, outside of Dessendrefag's headcanon.
yeah we definitely needed another thread for political disease ridden brains to speak
>>729472609>implying that's even pierrePoor anon thinks alicia can do that
>>729463395You're right except for the retarded anti-vax nonsense. I thought Maelle ending pickers were supposed to be the smart ones who don't get manipulated by emotions and false narratives?
>>729472691They just get manipulated by a 16 yo.
If everyone was already dead by the end of the game, how is maelle repainting them in a new painting any different than her repainting them in verso's world?
>>729472671>Sciel is just pretending, bro>She can't even remember her boyfriend btwA new Verso cope just dropped
>>729472737The vibes would be off in a canvas that isn't Verso's.
>>729472473>GutaveDead after act 1, ultimately used as driving for for Alicia and to hammer home the themes of loss and grief.>Lune, ScielLiteral background props for most scenes proving color commentary at best (recall when they confront Aline, the up to that point culmination of their struggles, how much they add to that scene.https://youtu.be/32FOKuS1L68>MonocoRide or die for Verso and mainly comedy relief otherwise>MaelleAlicia does not care about any of that shit by the end.
>>729471575The real moral thing to do as a painter is not interact with them at all. How are they supposed to have any sort of relationship with you, if they know you can just gommage them away on a whim and they cant do anything a single thing about it? The sheer power differential imposes roles, regardless of how well meaning both parties are. The most loving thing to do is to leave the creations alone to do their own thing while you sustain their world.
>>729472737MUH VERSO
>>729472787>torture a soul for forever because of 'muh vibes'
>>729472737There's clearly a difference between reuniting dispersed chroma and making chroma in another painting.Otherwise these people would essentially all be immortal, and Verso's ending would make no sense with Maelle saying goodbye to the people and imagining them disappearing.
>>729472565I also think people are evil if they pick the """wrong""" ending of a video game, including the developers who made it. How's the smell in your home full of your own farts, silly billy?
>>729472609What's your headcanon for why the entire city is in ruins except for the opera house and why there's a bunch of unfinished people milling around outside of it? Alicia does not care to fix lumiere, or is unable.
Death isn't something to be trifled with if live is something you consider to be meaningful. I knew Maelle's ending was the bad one when i saw Gustave. Even if you're a Maelle defender you're essentially saying that his sacrifice didn't mean shit.
>>729472691>Maelle ending pickers were supposed to be the smart onesspitefully dying on a collapsing hill is pretty retarded to be quite honest with you. it's purely emotional logic to do anything other than outright flushing the entire painted world for being the cardboard cope reality that it is
>>729463395Do the painters and writers have powers outside of their paintings and books(?) Or do they just knife each other in the real world.
>>729472828>I don't care about all these characters, and the game clearly doesn't either. T-t-t-they don't matter!!!lol
>>729463395The canvas going to shit is the only possible ending, if not Verso it would be Aline or Maelle dying inside the canvas and Renoir destroying it.
>>729472787wouldn't it be the same concept with any other painting?
>>729472881Wouldn't be any difference to the people that are painted. Painted verso's existence proves you can put memories a person never experienced into their painted brains. Aline and alicia want to stay in verso's canvas so they can delude themselves into thinking he's alive. Alicia even calls painted verso her brother.
>>729472881>There's clearly a difference between reuniting dispersed chroma and making chroma in another painting.Bullshit speculation that doesn't make any actual sense other than "it's this way because the central conflict falls apart otherwise"
>>729472556it is such a treat to watch versotards going full dissonance to rationalize their cuck ending>the protagonists? who cares bros? why should we care about the protagonists?
>>729473019>>729473039Verso's ending that shows Maelle reminiscing about the people she lost literally proves you both wrong. I don't know what you want me to say.
>>729466026That choice is verso's ending, by rejecting the gods he rejects his own existence because he is a facsimile, he is a pawn on strings, he has no true free will, they are all animated by the fragment of verso's soul in the canvas. None of them are truly free, by choosing destruction he is choosing to set himself free from all exterior control, this is in fact the only way out for himself
>>729472940Did you not pay attention to the story? They throw Molotovs at each others houses.
>>729473052>accepting their deaths means you didn't care about themEvery bit as delusional and female in thought as aline.
>>729472950Go compare the Act 3 sidequests and ask yourself why Reacher has all that focus and content while Lune gets a room.
>>729472950>they don't matter!!!they don't.this is the problem with writing a setting as being the dream of a godhead - nothing but the major players matter because everyone else is effectively clay figurines dolled up to look as sentiencethey straight-up don't fucking matter and anything else is equivalent to playing pretend with toys
>>729473039They are made from verso's chroma, only Verso could be recreated since he's aline's own creation and isn't using verso's original chroma.
>>729473108She could paint them elsewhere if she cared about them. She cared about being able to live in a world where verso was alive.
>>729473052>Bro, remember that incredible prologue that set the whole tone for the game and established nearly all the characters? LOL NONE OF IT ACTUALLY MATTERED. THOSE WERE ALL PROPS BRO.The Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 that is in Dessendrecuck's heads is such a worse, much less interesting and far less soulful game than the actual Expedition 33 that we got lol
>>729463395Verso ending:>Alicia is a minor. She can't consent to doing paint drugs as a form of assisted suicide if her father disagrees. Her mother can't consent either as she clearly is out of her mind when you speak to her before her boss battle. Alicia in fact went to the painting with one mission: get her parents back to the real world to help Clea, and it's clear Aline will keep going back if the painting isn't destroyed. Child Verso wants to stop painting too and it's not right to keep him painting against his will. Therefore it's the moral ending.Maelle ending:>Painted people get to keep living in a reality where they're ruled by a goddess who is a depressed teenager, which is terrifying. At least they can have some satisfaction knowing that the gods who both created and oppressed them are now living miserable lives where their family is dysfunctional and fighting on the outside while their main goddess is dying inside the painting. At some point child Verso might get tired of painting and Alicia might die, or the painting might be destroyed by writers, but the painted people will probably have several decades of happiness at minimum, probably centuries, as long as Alicia doesn't get tired of playing pretend. Clearly the bad ending but it has some good in it.
>>729473171>dreamyou again?
>>729473052You're right anon nobody should ever die and stay dead ever. Stories are about holding hands and coping! Yippee!
The widescale fellation of E33 is, I must confess, a laughable phenomenon to observe.An "indie" game made on a $10 million budget, with a star-studded voice cast and the backing of wealthy investors, while making use of Unreal Engine stock assets - and all propped up by an emotionally manipulative storyline that anyone who's read a book or two beyond the shallow end of contemporary fiction will recognize is trite and mawkish - sweeping every award in 2025 is perfectly fitting.Mechanically, the game completes the illusion. It is a JRPG designed for normies who hate (or rather, are embarrassed to be associated with) JRPGs and are far more interested in an "accessible and immersive" experience. The result is a combat loop that flatters the player’s sense of participation while asking almost nothing of them beyond rhythmic compliance: press the button, watch the spectacle. It's Pavlovian.The narrative is less a story than a checklist of affective cues, engineered to provoke recognition rather than reflection. It's all handled with the kind of solemn obviousness that mistakes earnestness for depth. It insists upon emotion as a substitute for thought.That this design philosophy is rewarded so thoroughly speaks less to the game’s individual failings than to the current critical ecosystem surrounding games. Awards culture increasingly favours works that resemble prestige television. E33's critical success rests almost entirely on an aggressively curated emotional register. Of course, to question the shallowness of such experiences is to risk being framed as elitist, even as the industry openly celebrates projects engineered to offend no one and challenge nothing.Don't mistake my point. E33 is not a catastrophe. It is worse than that: it is exemplary. It represents the logical endpoint of a medium desperate for cultural legitimacy, chasing validation by mimicking the least demanding forms of "serious" art while hollowing out what once made its genres distinct.
>>729473173>muh chromaNow tell me why this functionally any different from her just repainting them using her own chroma
>>729472880I jest but that really is the reason. At the end of the day everything created in a canvas is made of chroma, so Aline could have created Lumiere in a canvas of her own and it would still be the same Lumiere (before the fracture). Maelle should be able to, with enough time and practice, recreate Lumiere and everyone else in a different canvas if she wanted to.
>>729473189Yeah, that's why she imagined all those people evaporating. Because she was just thinking of Verso.Versofags are something else, man.
>>729467036I agree. Verso is a selfish nigger. If he hates his life so much, he can kill himself without committing genocide
>>729473116Maybe they wrote "fire" on a note and slipped it through an open window
>>729473247compelling reply thank you bitchboy
>>729469714Funny cuz you faggots love trannies so much. Whole boards and threads dedicated to it. So stay mad chud.
>>729473052>>729473212Verso and Alicia are both props also, everyone in a story is a prop meant to tell the story. And what is the story of Expedition 33? Scene by scene disregarding future knowledge what happens in this game?
>>729463395I'm not vaccinated yet I support vaccination. We're not the same, bitch.
>>729473263Alicia is already bad at using their original chroma to recreate them and you want her to use her own chroma to do it?They wouldn't be the same people, at all, just her impression of them, at best.Verso was made by Aline and he has huge gaps in knowledge, imagine Alicia doing the same.
>>729473291I mean, I hate Verso as much as anyone else, but he can't kill himself. That's his whole problem.
>>729473256We're talking about it aren't we?
>>729473291He could have, Renoir was going to gommage him, but he chose to leave and help Alicia anyways. You're just a retard who unironically understood verso the wrong way. I haven't seen anyone arguing that suicide was his primary motivation in months.
VERSOTARDS GET FUCKEDPLAY THE PIANO WAGIE
>>729473223If Verso's ending requires you to dehumanize all the gestrals and humans so genocide becomes justifiable, you have already lost.You picked the genocide ending, just accept it. You were swindled.It is fine. A lot of people are swindled all the time.
>>729473385>I hate Verso as much as anyone elseSo not at all?
>>729473502Whatever you say Alicia, but your father told you to get out and you're 16, you have no choice in the matter.
>>729473502>dehumanize all the gestrals and humans>anon only gives a shit about gestrals when it's convenient, otherwise it's just MUH LUMIEREDon't pretend you care about them, lumiere was already genocided so there's no issue in it in the first place.
>>729473502Verso swindled them. This is why he's one of the greatest villains in vidya history.The game literally telegraphs him being a manipulative liar the whole way through and even shows a representation of him being a liar carrying masks and people still fell for it. What a lad.
I don't agree with all of your guys' retarded politics but the thing that makes me laugh about siding with verso is him spouting you'll never have to suffer a life you don't want while forcing maelle to live burnt and unable to talk and with the real him dead. Like be fr
>>729473424>STOP comforting that child's tortured soul and call me Maelle right now my actual flesh and blood brother alongside whom I was raised, or I will skewer that little faggot in place and paint over this canvas with his chromatic blood.I have to say, Maelle lost me here. It was just too aggressive. The dilemma was otherwise very close.
>>729473598Lies aren't inherently evil, you clearly don't have a wife if you think telling the objective truth all the time like an autist is how the real world works
>>729473582Golgra should have killed Verso while she had the chance.
>>729473582>lumiere was already genocidedBy Verso's lies btw. This is the best argument Versofags can come up with. A lie AND an omission of whose fault their false narrative is.
Fuck the Pa*nters. Fuck the Dessendres. Fuck Aline. Fuck Alicia. Fuck Renoir. Fuck Clea. Fuck Verso. Fuck painted Verso especially. They will all suffer for their actions and consequences and the people of Lumiere get to live. Now play that fucking piano because its what you deserve.
Remember Maelle could just erase Verso so he can be at peace and everyone would be happy, but she decided to make him a living puppet for her own entertainment
>>729473502>create a clay figure and put it in little clothes>take it apart and put it back in a jar>get charged for murderyou fags would make terrible demiurges
>>729473614He told her to go and paint her own canvas, one she doesn't use to cope with a bad copy of her dead brother.
>>729463395The vax was the biggest red pill in history. So many retards thought it would be a gigapoison.
>>729463395Do people that choose Verso´s ending realize the paradox of doing so? They claim the painted world is not real and the people inhabiting are fake but they are willing to allow one of those people take the decision away from a real person like Alicia. Wouldn´t that mean they would be accepting that the will of the painted people has equal value to that of the real people? Say, for the sake of argument, that Verso is right and leaving the painting is the best for Alicia and the family, it would still not be his decision to make. If Alicia wants to commit suicide by drinking paint that´s on her. Furthermore there is no fixing anything here. She´ll always be responsible for the death of the real Verso and that´s that. Even if her family loves her there is a distance between them that´s not going to go away. And she is destroyed to the point forming new bonds would be very hard even if possible. There is little for her in the original world. Not really enough to sacrifice the painted world for even if she is being selfish and wrong. In fact the whole family is selfish and wrong.
>>729473294Writers must be huge assholes
>>729473682>Fuck CleaBy all that is holy, yes please.
Gustave was the only good person on the team and the only one who could have worked together with Lune to figure out a proper way to deal with the retarded painter gods and their family drama. Alicia is a dumb teen but she is, justifiably, acting properly. At such a young age and she already lost part of her body function and has permanent scars from the fire AND her mother treats her like shit because real Verso sacrificed himself to save her. That said, I also strongly believe real Verso was more like Gustave and not at all like his painted dipshit version too who is just his own man but with real Verso's memories. The issue with the writing is that it forces a choice when there are clearly many more alternatives that don't involve forced drama. You can overcome grief and keep the canvas. Real Renoir could have worked together with painted Verso and given him a tremendous power boost so he could perhaps become a bouncer of sorts, kicking out Aline and Alicia should they stay far too long in the canvas. Something, ANYTHING other than two simple choices. The main drive for Renoir was so save his wife and daughter from suicide via canvas addiction. He wasn't even a huge asshole either, he did listen to people. The dramatic choice felt forced because Renoir and some of the others are written to be competent but then at the end NO ONE puts a word in. Lune and the rest just kind of say some shit and it goes mostly ignored, they don't bother trying which is weird. The best parts of the story are all at the start, when the mystery is fresh. It falls apart the moment the family drama and the big reveal happen. Still a good game though.
>>729473614What Verso tells her is that she has an incredible ability to paint which is true and therefore will never have to live a life she doesn't wantHe is literally telling her to go make another canvas but without his soul. That is all it is, how people fail to grasp this is beyond me.I think the problem is that people are either empathizing with Renoir, Verso and Clea or Alicia, Aline and the painted characters instead. So people end up choosing based on a purely emotional decision rather than listening to what is actually being said.This is true too >>729473627
>>729463395It's simple, I like Maelle so I'm picking her ending and I don't give a shit about anything else because the game exists for my entertainment.
>Story draws you in with mysteries, and it turns out that it's a story/painting inside a story>The outside world story is all about family drama>Fanbase stuck arguing whether magic is real or not/whether the painted people are real or nothold on, this is just French Umineko with better pacing and dialogue
>>729473627>have verso's soul right in front of you>ME ME ME ME MEPeak teenage girl.
>>729473598I'm trying to tell them, but they are adamant that Verso (i.e: Starchild from Mass Effect 3 with a new coat of paint, no pun intended) is good and loves them when they literally see the dude pumping and dumping Lune.It is the Shepard indoctrination theory all over again.The support for Verso's ending is so fragile and flimsy that one youtube essay is all it takes for people to turn against it and completely recontextualize the game. Then we have to hope that devs won't nuke it like the Mass Effect devs did.
>>729473670>By Verso's lies btw.By renoir, who was winning and was 100% going to win without verso's intervention. Because aline is a retard and had painted Renoir kill the one expedition that might have reached them thanks to the lumina converter, and didn't tell them about renoir because she was too busy being a retard, insane, and her own worst enemy.>>729473691Nope, little Versoul would still be miserable. He didn't want to spend his life painting, not even as a profession. It was a fear of his. Now he has to do it 24/7 non stop forever. Verso was the only one who cared about the little boy's soul.
>>729473627If maelle wasn't a lying cunt at the end something maybe could have been worked out, but verso knew she would never do what she says
>>729473627it's not a tortured soul, he loves the canvas but he's tired of the conflict.you got tricked by Verso into thinking it was somehow a slave boy forced to labor for eternity against its will. you should have paid attention to the story to see through verso's deception. sorry you chose the evil genocide ending.
>>729473691Remember Verso could have spared Gustave and fulfill his own sister's wish and everyone would be happy, but he decided to be a snake who manipulates everyone.>>729473715Because it gets her out of his canvas and ensures his end. He couldn't care if she goes straight to her own supply afterwards and dies in her own Painting.
This is a massive hypothetical, but if Verso was still alive, could he start a new branch of artists? He has such a massive passion for the piano, and with the Painters' abilities, it doesn't seem like a stretch that he could have started some Musicians faction.
>>729472940The way it's presented in the game makes it seem like they literally just do mafia shit on each other with no magic or glamor or supernatural stuff at all. Clea is out there meeting shady people to help her shoot and stab up Writers in real life with real guns and knives and it's fucking funny.
>>729473743There are two kinds of versofags. Those that are stuck on "its not real" and those who argue "its more thematically appropriate". You can't properly argue with the first group with they hit a thought terminating cliché months ago and have stuck with it since but you can with the second group.
>>729473667What is this 'Supporting Verso to Becoming a Sociopath' pipeline? I am glad to see Verso fools going masks off.
>>729473691>but she decided to make him a living puppet for her own entertainmentAfter doing the complete opposite to painted Alicia too. Massive hypocrite that Maelle.
>>729473758>there are clearly many more alternatives that don't involve forced drama.There really aren't.Alicia isn't leaving.Verso isn't letting her stay.Any other alternative would imply these characters would do something different, which they won't.
>>729473832>By renoir, who was winning and was 100% going to win without verso's interventionThe fuck is this headcanon? Renoir was literally freed by them BTFOing the Paintress. And they would have been incapable of getting there if not for Verso telling them how to pass the barrier (and his lies).Can Versofags be honest for one second?
>>729473838>he loves the canvas but he's tired of the conflict.Proven wrong by the thank you patch. He created a monster that threatens him with his great fears just to beat him up and feel like they wouldn't come true. One of osquio's threats is literally that he'll have to always paint.>>729473832
>>729473694This is a 'I have no mouth and I must scream scenario', except people like you very happily support the torturers.
>>729473627don't care.my emotional attachment is to the expeditioners. so if i put myself in their point of view then maelle is the god that isn't going to wipe us out. maybe she's a little deranged now but whatever. let her torment her puppet. verso got us all killed once and tried to do it again. so fuck him. play the piano.
>>729473892my headcanon is that there is a musician faction but they're not involved in any kind of war, they just kind of hang out and do opium or whatever drugs they had in 1900s Paris
>>729473942>headcanonPlay the game you fucking nigger. Once Renoir is done erasising Lumiere, he wins. Clea herself says that he's beating Aline (thanks to Clea's help), just slowly.
>>729474052Oh, right, it's another variation of "Heh, you'll die 10 years from now instead of right now". Good shit, Versotard. Fucking lying mongoloids.
Lumiére was already wiped out by the point where you make the decision, and I feel like that barely ever gets brought up.
>>729473502Reviving them is dehumanizing them. Real people don't come back from the dead.
>>729474124>Fuckiing lying mongoloidsI mean, isn't that kind of fitting? What with Verso being the way he is.
>>729473942Isn't the whole point of the paintress painting decreasing numbers before every gommage that she is losing power? Renoir's victory was inevitable if things remained the same, he would win as soon as the countdown ended.
The entire canvas was doomed from day 1The choice is either destroy the canvas right now or destroy it a bit later after Maelle dies inside of it.
>>729463395>game has hard protag switch well into the game>immediately discardedsimple as, gustav was a homie, verso is a fucking douchebag, and probably a self-insert for someone in the studio
>>729468696OH NO NO NO NOVERSOTARDS CAUGHT
>>729474182It's because it dismantles one of the major arguments of people who pick Maelle's ending.
>>729474124>Say renoir wasn't winning because you didn't play the game>change your argument when you don't want to admit you were wrongI thought maellefags were gone but it seems like the most deranged ones still crawl out of their holes now and then.
>>729474182It gets brought up all the time, just like everytime someone refutes it with the Gestrals still being alive, the baseless claim is made that people don't actually care about them.
>>729474226This is true, but Gustave brought no drama to the game so he had to be swapped with someone that did
>>729474124So how isn't renoir winning? lumiere has like 10-15 years left, tops before you only have literal kids running everything.Renoir can't possibly lose even if verso did nothing.
>>729474182Worse yet, in maelle's ending it's not fixed. We're supposed to believe that, like, 7 people watching verso play piano for eternity is lumiere "surviving."
>>729473943holy cope, the canvas has existed for 16+ real years. If real Verso was concerned with his "soul" having to maintain the canvas / keep "painting", why didn't he destroy it himself?I'll tell you since you did not pay attention to the story, the "soul" is not a human consciousness, it is an abstract force that keeps a canvas world alive, it is not a human consciousness like in Black Mirror, otherwise the family would certainly give more of a shit about its well being. gee the media literacy is low these days...
>>729474182>>729474241Pierre and Sciel were fine. She's clearly able to regenerate people to some extent.And another friendly reminder Verso was the one that caused the wiping out. Purposefully. With his lies. Now THAT is something that never gets brought up by you cocksuckers.
CLEA WAS HAVING HOT STEAMY, INCESTOUS, ROMANTIC SEX WITH VERSO INSIDE THE CANVAS BEFORE HE DIED.THANK YOU FOR READING
>>729474341even thenverso only cares because he wants to die so muchwhen he loses, he just begs maelle to kill him
>>729474341>a-actually the soul likes painting!>*proof it doesn't*>a-actually the soul doesn't feel anything!Here's your last (You). Feel free to have the last word, if you need it.
>>729474341>the "soul" is not a human consciousness, it is an abstract force that keeps a canvas world alive, it is not a human consciousness like in Black Mirror, otherwise the family would certainly give more of a shit about its well being. gee the media literacy is low these days...This is absolutely true, but Versotards go on about this soul shit as another cope to try to make their genocide ending seem more palatable.
>>729474353He sped up the process, little else.Say verso did nothing, e33 gets wiped out, barring maelle and no one else makes progress, renoir wins in 30 years.Same result.
>>729474353>Verso gommaged everyoneWhat a pathetic lie
>>729474443It very clearly wants to pass on and be left alone.The fact the canvas can hold a soul inside of a dead person inside is basically Necromancy with extra steps
>>729474423Yes, that's his lies exposed at last. In the end he's reduced to his basest impulse that had been driving every manipulation he made throughout the game. Versotards will never admit this, though. Because they're manipulative liars just like their beloved Verso.
>>729474470By the end of the game, in Maelle's ending, they probably gained them, at the very least, 40 years of life. That is valuable. That is good.
>>729474291The point is that Gustave would have been able to bring about the pure ending where everyone is happy and lives but Verso's choices prevented that. Gustave and Lune both managed to make the Expeditioners rival the Gods with Pictos. Gustave's work on the lumina converter revealed truth about the chroma. Gustave had a very close relationship with Maelle and would have been the other voice she needed to hear to convince her to leave.
>>729474508>Renoir says "Hold still while I gommage you">Verso leaves with Alicia to help her fight him>HURRR DURR HE JUST WANNA DIEEEE
>>729474470The Lumina Converter was a game-changer. They've got at least ten expeditions left in them, one of them would manage to level up enough people to wipe the Nevrons out, and then Renoir would be fucked.
>>729474583The same ending that could only happen because verso did his stuff?
>>729474583>they probably gained them, at the very least, 40 years of lifeEveryone literally fucking died, there is no recovering after that
>>729474310>7 people watching verso play piano for eternity is lumiere "survivingHeadcanon.Clearly, coping for Verso turns you into a chronic liar and a sociopath by association. I have never seen such talent for gaslighting, lying and deliberate misinterpretation meant to confuse There is no winning, Versofags. Ultimately, you are trying to convince people that genocide is good. That will never fly by anyone who i. does not think, ii. has not already completely dehumanized the true HEROES of the story who rise against literal gods and overcome the odds to save their world.Expeditioners deserve to watch that defeated genocidal scoundrel play the piano forever.Verso is the true final boss. Realizing the players cannot be beaten through gameplay, the players actually botch the one (1) decision that this RPG offers them and purposefully chooseWhat shows in the Game Over screen of this game? 'Expedition Failed'. How a genocide is a victory for the expedition?
>>729474496>ItWay to destroy your own argument.
>>729474602>Gustave would have been able to bring about the pure ending where everyone is happyAlso, nope: >>729473832
All you moralfags disgust meI will take more than my share, not my problem if you have nothingI will shit upstream in the river and ruin it for everyone, not my problemI will steal your wallet from your coat pocket when you're not looking and you being a bitch about it is not my problemI will shoplift everywhere I goI'm here for a good time, not a long time and I am based and chadlike and you are cucksYou probably think killing is wrong or feel bad when you run over some kid's petSociety would be much better if it was all filled with people like me who follow their base instincts instead of playing by moralfag rules>B-b-b-but you would be fucked over tooNo I wouldn't because I'm a based chad and you're all cucks and people would worship me and know that I'm the best because I'm a natural born aura farmer. People will applaud when I walk into a room and offer me their women and beg for me to repopulate the white race after the great race war and vaxxed mass deaths (I don't plan on dying in the future because I'm not a cuck)I am white and I am descended from kings and I want my rightful throne and everyone else can be the peasants and cuck slaves
>>729474626>Maelle finishes Verso and has him down>Verso is helpless>P-p-p-please kill me>HURRRRRRR HE TOTALLY CARES ABOUT MAELLE
>>729474602>Gustave had a very close relationship with Maelle and would have been the other voice she needed to hear to convince her to leave.Maelle doesn't give a singular shit about gustave compared to verso.This is reflected in her ending, where gustave still has his missing arm (which she could recreate) while she has verso pristine and deleted his scar.Maelle wouldn't have listened to him, because running away from verso's death is her sole priority.
>>729474626Because he was worried how alicia would fair on her own without anyone on her side to remind her it's a fucking painting
>>729474728you just need a good spanking or two
>>729474241>>729474182Her dad killed them but maelle took revenge, kicked him the fuck out, and brought lumiere back to life. Versofags want to kill everyone just for "muh grow up" and make alicia live out her last days in misery instead of living and dying happily.
>>729474645>It's another episode of a Versotard trying to argue for sympathy for Verso while reminding me of the consequences of his lies
>>729474638Renoir and Aline could only be beaten by a painter. Even with the converter, 33 only overcame painted renoir because they had alicia AND renoir. They only overcame renoir because they had alicia AND aline. So, nope!>>729474661Keep worshipping alicia and maybe she'll fix your house in a few decades
>>729474741>knows the one chance she has of leaving and him dying is for her to kill him right there>refuses
>>729474602>Gustave would have been able to bring about the pure ending where everyone is happyGustave is an impulsive man who almost killed himself out of despair and almost gave up on his mission after that to help his sister-daughter, being saved twice by Lune. He couldn't even make himself happy, no way he was making everyone happy. Verso was right in letting him die otherwise Maelle would remain even more attached instead of getting out of the canvas and completing her mission to help Clea like she was supposed to.
>>729474691Yes... it's a piece of soul, not a complete person, an object in this case can have a will.
The people were already dead. Only Lune and Sciel remained
>>729474902lmfao uh uh
>>729474852>instead of living and dying happily.In a make believe world while she rots away and destroys her family in the process.>and brought lumiere back to lifeDidn't bother to fix lumiere or make more han two designs for its inhabitants or their clothes.
>>729474741>moves goalposts when he's proven wrong about Verso only wanting to dieYou simply CANNOT argue because you are wrong, thanks for donating your seethe.
>>729474852>and make alicia live out her last days in miseryShe can create her own painting later. But this one is harming her mother.
>>729474956They also died and were brought back. At that point you can no longer call them real people.
>>729473407Verso's motivation is to end his life by destroying the canvas. Jesus Christ, Versofags are so fucking dumb
>>729474852>and brought lumiere back to lifekek maellefag headcanon never disappoints
the redpill is that verso and maelle matter as little as the homonculi cutouts programmed to be people in the paintingthe whole thing is the mom's fault for being unable to let go of her grief and shitting up everything for itexpedition 33 is a Woman Moment incarnate
>>729475057You are wrong, Verso wants to control his own destiny, that is the entire point of his journey, he is fighting to finally control his fate but to do so would mean to 1 = escape the canvas which he literally attempts to do when Renoir opens the portal to the real world showing REAL ALINE suffering2 = destroy the canvas and finally be set free from perpetual slavery to the gods of that world which otherwise would never unpaint him
>>729475093yeah but maellefags are really mad at the men in their lives and aline isn't a man, so they'd rather blame verso and renoir, instead of the dumb bitch who abandoned her family to OD on paint
>>729463395I picked Verso's ending just because Maelle's ending is just as bad, if not worse, in retrospect.>Maelle becomes the new paintress and is going to die even faster than Aline>Aline probably dies too unless Renoir checks her into an insane asylum>As soon as Maelle dies, Renoir burns down the painting killing everyone inside>Dessendres family is completely ruinedIt's literally the "fuck everyone burn it all down" ending.
>>729474956>It's another episode of a Versotard trying to argue for sympathy for Verso while reminding me of the consequences of his liesYeah, yeah, Verso purposefully had all those people gommaged. We remember, bro. Thanks for the reminder, though.*And the Gestrals*And the Grandis*And Esquie*And Pierre
>>729463395If you picked Maelle's ending you are immature and/or a drug addict
>>729475136He was also willing to live in the canvas, if it didn't mean either alicia or aline killing themselves to be near him and pretend he's someone that he's not. Alicia refused that. So did aline.
>>729475179>Maelle becomes the new paintress and is going to die even faster than Aline>Aline probably dies too unless Renoir checks her into an insane asylum>As soon as Maelle dies, Renoir burns down the painting killing everyone inside>Dessendres family is completely ruinedThose things are all worth it because they give the painted people decades more to live, if not straight up centuries.
>>729463395>>729464892>>729467036>>729468339>t.
>>729463395I will never side with a woman being emotional.And also I couldn't care less for the painted people, they aren't real.
>>729475258They're already dead. They have no more time left.
>>729475258I give maelle an extra 10 years after her ending since she's already visibly dying.
Consider the fact that the painters probably made and destroyed tons of paintings over the years. Renoir already said as much. This is just one painting among many. Does it really matter all that much if it gets destroyed? Or are they supposed to never erase anything ever for fear of genocide? Must be hard to be an artist in this world.
>>729475238>He was also willing to live in the canvas, if it didn't mean either alicia or aline killing themselves to be near him and pretend he's someone that he's not. Alicia refused that. So did aline.Actually i disagree completely here, i think that is his argument when facing Maelle at the end because he keeps trying to protect the truth with lies because his truth is fundamentally incompatible with the rules of his universe. I.E.: Actually be free from the restriction of living in a canvas world
>>729475189>someone trips and falls off of the dock in lumiere, drowns>maellefags will try and blame verso for it
>>729475258>decades more to live,Aline was already on her deathbed according to Renoir and Clea. Maelle wouldn't last much longer considering she was already showing signs of painting cancer in her ending. I'd say she has at best a week left, so maybe 1 year in painting time.
>>729475165Her family despises her.Clea is mean and cold and condescending to her in the only scene they have together. Renoir is an enabler passive parent who lets his wife and daughter do everything they want. Aline is a complete bitch towards Alicia and even painted the Alicia in the fantasy world in a way that she'd suffer too.And Verso (clearly favorite kid) is gone, and what remains of him is a piece of shit.
this thread marks the complete defeat of versotards and their genocide cuck ending.all their headcanons, misconceptions and gaslighting got annihilated through sheer logic, rationality and understanding of themes and fiction.
>>729475393>Her family despises her.She deserves it.
>>729475369>Maelle wouldn't last much longer considering she was already showing signs of painting cancer in her endingYou took it too literally. She didn't have half her face literally melt from one second to the next. That was Verso looking at her future.
>>729475393Stop being such a teenage girl.Renoir loves her.Clea loves her, just has issues with the fact she was retarded and this led to verso dying.Aline doesn't hate her, she just can't look at her for the reasons stated above and clearly resents her.
>>729475428This is you coping inside the canvas. Now come outside and face reality.
>>729475165Yeah they keep seething at Verso and her dad, but not at her mom who hates her so much they stopped being on speaking terms, painted a shitty version of her who is also half blind and can't talk, and turned her into a literal NPC when she went into the painting lol
>>729475428nah
>>729463395anon no way you are not vaccinated, I refuse to believe your parents are this stupid.
>>729475450Yes Anon, I'm sure your headcanon is correct and the ending being shot in black and white with horror themed imagery and literal jumpscare chords is implying she has a long and wonderful life ahead of her.
>>729472929She had piano recital to go to.
>>729475494>and turned her into a literal NPC when she went into the painting lolshe was a literal playable character though?
>>729475428Genocide implies multitudes of deathsNot a single painted being is alive to begin with and their deaths mean very little when they can just be painted again
>>729475571It doesn't need to be long for her. It just needs to be long for the painted.
>here's another 40 years of living in ruins among a bunch of unpainted mannequins>you're welcome
>>729475645It doesn't either. As long as someone like Renoir doesn't come back to destroy the painting I assume it lives on. They just won't have a teenager omnipotent goddess ruling over them, which is a plus.
>>729475428verso saved maelle in real lifehe would do it again in a paintingthus the verso ending is canon
I find it endearing how they were able to pull off the "leaving the fantasy land of all the things you like for a mundane life", when choosing Verso.Granted, the Dessendre family is not mundane.Or maybe weebshit really is just poor taste in general.
>>729475642Marche was never right in Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced. Except Marche can leave the fantasy world (which is one in the Final Fantasy 12 multiverse, if you pay attention to FF12 lore, it is explained how there multiverses can exist) without commiting genocide.Lumière is a simplified case of the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, where any thinking besides what the game shoves down your throat will make you immediately realize that Verso is wrong.
>>729475741Why is this anon pretending that there was anyone else unhappy other than Verso?He's creating this weird false narrative where like Lune and Sciel are begging Maelle to die. Meanwhile, in reality, they were ecstatic.Just more weird headcanon from Versofags. They really only know how to lie.
>>729463869I pick Maelle's ending because I'm pro Lumiere, I don't care about Maelle's larp.
>>729475804No, the best part is how>game starts>gustave fights maelle>our drafts unite>game ends>verso fights alicia>our drafts collideAnd how verso's ending song fits the credits A LOT more.
>>729475136>finally be set free from perpetual slavery to the gods of that worldin other words, "Death"
>>729475645That's also assuming Renoir doesn't just come back in and start gommaging everyone again.
>>729469683I don't know about 'responsible' just in a different way. She wants to get through the funeral stuff ASAP and is focusing hard on getting payback on those writerfags rather than dwell on the Verso stuff likely because it hurts. Its the kind of vibe she gives off along with her cold demeanor
>>729476042Verso hadn't been buried yet and that was the equivalent of 67 years for LumiereRenoir fucking off for a week is, what, 20 extra years for Lumiere? That's good.
Reminder the main Claire Obscura theme only plays in Verso's ending.
>>729476117Lumiere > Alicia
>>729476073It's a kind of coping with grief, focusing on other stuff so it doesn't hurt as much. Eventually, the pain dulls.
>>729471727Pt. 2
>>729463395Lumiere was already dead once Act 2 ended. Maelle never actually gave a shit about Lumiere, she keeps talking about how she wanted out of that shithole as soon as she could. Her suddenly giving a shit about Lumiere was all cope and more her only caring about the small party she worked with and Gustave in particular.Then her ending is living in a dollhouse with mostly copy pasted NPCs and people having to live at the whims of a mentally unstable goddess until she dies or gets overthrown by her mom coming back and starting the whole shitshow again until the Canvas is destroyed.Its precisely because of Alicia, Aline, and to a lesser extent Painted Verso that the common sense route of "take a break and visit later so everyone wins" that Painted Alicia suggest ended up off the table.
>>729476185Very nice
>>729475804>Maelle is delusional for thinking pVerso can be her brother, she's crazy in her ending! it's not really her brother she needs to let him go!>btw, here is how pVerso=rVerso becomes convenient for me, you see it's actually poetic in this case because it supports MY prefered endingnever change, versotards...
>>729476478>Lumiere was already deadmy main issue with this game's storywhole thing falls off a big fucking cliff once they just outright demonstrate that none of it ever mattered and investing an ounce of empathy or emotion to it is a genuine waste of your time
>>729463869Wrong. I just wanted the bad ending and for verso (a fuck lying loser) to sufferMaelle is a retard and acting as a typical womanMaelle ending is redpilledVerso ending is cuck shit>muh Disassociation conondrim Do not care FUCK verso
>>729476478>Its precisely because of Alicia, Aline, and to a lesser extent Painted Verso that the common sense route of "take a break and visit later so everyone wins" that Painted Alicia suggest ended up off the tableVerso is to blame.
I picked Maelle's ending because I intended to propose to her.
I picked Maelle's ending because Verso could never overpower Maelle. It was never a out what I want.
>>729476643Are you able to read or what? They said nothing about the twist. They said when renoir literally kills everyone outside of verso and maelle at the end of act 2Retard
>>729476478I think the reason why this happens is because the "dolls" themselves realize they are a vehicle for grief and suffering and thus incomplete, their entire existence is to suffer in an exercise of futility to allow their creator to suffer less(?) i guess or something like that, its no wonder all the characters want to get out of that shithole and finally die
>>729476809How? He's the one who suggests it to Alicia whom then said "n-no..."
>>729476852>Verso could never overpower MaelleI thought Verso winning is funnier and more fitting considering Gustave kicked her ass
>>729476913Verso made no progress for 100 years without maelle
>>729476913You're 100% right about that. >shoot 16 times>basic attack>S rank, max damage ability >finIt was at least entertaining, whereas Maelle one-shotting Verso was just sad.
>>729476852I mean she has been in the painting for quite awhile now (16 Lumiere years), just got reacquainting with her painting powers, and used most of it to fight off Renoir and bringing the party back to life. I can definitely see Verso beating her.
>>729476880>all the characters want to get out of that shithole and finally dieVerso was the only one that wanted that, tho.
>>729476113>Verso hadn't been buried yetAnd with what proof are you saying this? Just because they stand outside of his grave in the good ending?
>>729477062>gommages you with a thoughtidk about that
>>729463395nortubel tier game
>>729476859>once act 2 ended>"nothing about the twist":/
>>729463395Don't care. Renoir did nothing wrong and I went with the option to help him since I felt far more for him than the retarded teenage girl
>>729473715>>729473769Then its character assassination by the devs. She's not the kind of person that would force someone to be alive against their will after what happened with gustav
>>729477062>bringing the party back to life"life" is a generous title to a pile of animated greeble
>>729463395Is this game a similar instance to the TWD Season 2 endings where one was objectively better than the other but people still shilled for the worse ending because it was attached to a girl they wanted to fuck?
>>729477151Are you stupid? Multiple things happen there. I am so tired of people pretending to be retarded. That anon clearly does not actually grasp that the world has nobody left in it at the end of act 2 and took it as muh isekai complaint and you are retarded if you can't see that, or think that's the same.I fucking hate 80iqs. I wish you would die.
>>729477172She's the kind of person who'd rather stay her whole life locked inside a fake world as long as it means she doesn't need to confront her brother's death.
if you played this at all you're a vaxxie
>>729477206No this is an instance where people complain about everyone not choosing the "good" ending because that means they're not nice people. Retards can't read subtext or understand the character's powers.
>>729477206>it was attached to a girl they wanted to fuck?Worse, they self insert as her and her family issues.LITERALLY 99% of maellefags just hate daddy and their lives.
>>729477146She can't gommage any of the enemies even after she awakens as a painter, Anon. If she could Act 3 in its entirety wouldn't have happened except for the Renoir fight.
>>729473627Yeah it was pretty obvious Alicia/Maelle had gone off the rails and was just becoming Aline 2.0 like Painted Verso feared.
>>729463395I picked it and then regretted it after thinking about it.The Verso ending looks less traumatic on the surface until you realise that neither Clea, nor her parents care about Alicia. You committed omnicide for this.
>>729477206No, its pretty obvious what the proper ending is, the entire game beats you over the head with it.
>>729477436>T-they don't care about her at all!Clearly didn't pay attention. Renoir for sure cares the world about her and Clea supports her in Endless Tower. Aline is the only one who might resent her but she seemed happy to see her when she thought she was True Alicia during the final confrontation at the top of the Monolith. It was more when she originally painted the fake family that the resentment was still fresh and she painted the double with the burn wounds
>>729477417I want to say you're wrong but it's been a few months so I can't say for certain regarding gameplay elements. Going off of cinematics that I remember, if she can un-gommage, surely she can gommage. IIRC she gommaged Alicia technically.
>>729477436Renoir loves his darling baby girl and Clea helped her from outside the painting several times. Only Aline hates her and I doubt even that much anymore.
>>729477071Painted alicia allowed herself to be gommagged
>>729463395The ending choice is pretty obvious. Deal with grief (Verso ending) or go maximum cope mode and never move past grief (Alicia).
>>729477702Yeah I was thinking of Painted Alicia when I was writing that post, but not sure it counts. Either way I personally don't think she was in any state of mind or body to easily gommage Verso at the end because let's be honest, she needs him to replace her dead brother.
>>729477569And yet she stands apart from her family in Verso's ending. Clea leaves early, Renoir and Aline are stuck in an embrace ignoring her, and she is left mourning her painted family alone at the end.Just like Maelle's ending, all direction choices here are deliberate. The Dessendre family was likely already dysfunctional prior to the real Verso's death.
>>729477837Unrelated but i really disliked how Clea spoke to Alicia in some of her dialogue, calling her useless and almost downright stating she wished she had died instead of Verso which is an incredibly cruel thing to say to a anyone, much more a baby sister.I am convinced there must have been more to the relationship between Clea and Verso, otherwise i cannot fathom her reacting like this
There is a debate that can be had over the worth of the painted world in comparison with a painter's life.If we do agree that the painted people are sentient people with free will, then sacrificing them is the amoral choice no matter what the consequence to the painters is. Send Maelle to the torture dimension if you have to, I'm not picking the genocide ending.The only premise I can cede to the Verso ending if we decide that the painted people are insignificant.
Simoso is op as fuck
>>729478117They were all dead already, you are just arguing with your own strawman at this point
>>729477997That's grief anon. It can make you say and do ugly shit. Clea's grief had gone her go full cold to everyone. She was waging a solitary war on the fuckers responsible and then had to deal with her parents being retarded and her sister being a depressed sack sitting in her room doing nothing while their mom was in the middle of killing herself.Also yes there was more of a relationship between Clea and Verso. The Canvas wasn't just his creation. They made it together in their childhood and played together all the time with her making half of it.
>>729478237This is a perfect time to insert incest into the story. Clea definitely unvirgined Verso inside the canvas which is why he wanted to be a musician instead of a painter because painting = trauma
>>729478117Lumiere was already dead in the endgame
>>729478234Nta but the Gestrals, Grandis and White Nevrons, all of whom Verso's soul considered real people, hadn't been gommaged.
>>729478348White Nevrons were Clea's thing and even one of those ended up killing itself.
Brainlets>Verso ending sucks because my friends>Midwits>Version amending good because grow upBrainful>Verso ending sucks because good enough facsimile equals reality until selfishly interrupted
>>729478402That's why Verso's soul mentions them as you're about to face painted Clea.
>>729478117>sentient people with free will>sentient peoplearguable, they're programmed semblances of sentient people - they are ultimately ideas, not people>free willabsolutely not. they could be turned into pink elephants the next day and think nothing of it as if that's the way things had always been, if their demiurge painter desired it
>>729478234>>729478335Gestrals, Grandis, Nevrons are still around. Lune and Sciel are still alive. You can argue that Maelle should not have brought back Lumiere. I may even agree with this. But it's not an argument to destroy the canvas.
>>729478429Brainful>Verso ending sucks because my friendsMidwits>Verso ending good because grow upBrainlet>Verso ending sucks because good enough facsimile equals reality until selfishly interruptedFTFY
>>729463395I’m not surprised a loser shut in who spends all his time in fake world videoGames doesn’t see a problem with being locked in a fake world.
>>729463395>Game starts off with Maelle leaving on a suicidal expedition to save Lumiére>Maelle refuses to give up her life -- leave the painting -- to save LumiéreAlright, I thought about it. Alicia's a self-centered bitch
>>729478429nasty phoneposter
>>729478429What a complicated way to say that you enjoy coping
>>729478429Galaxy gigabrain>Verso's ending sucks because it kills Esquie
Painted Verso is the worst most pathetic person in any video game I have ever played. He betrayed literally everyone in his world and condemned them to die, just because he's angsty and suicidal. He betrayed Lune and Sciel in the worst imaginable way. You see him for the pathetic worm he is in Maelle's ending when he cries "I don't want this life anymore"
>>729466701Then you should pick the Maelle ending because Maelle would beat painted Verso's fake ass.
>>729478476Verso was painted by Aline to protect their painted family and Lumiere, Blanche was painted to destroy faulty Nevrons. They both went against their programming and thus prove they have free will.
>>729478551this but unironically>>729478606he's just broken by all the shitty things he's had to live throughmaelle is right in making him life a normal life until he's happy
>>729470206>Shitting on RenoirRenoir was probably the best person in the story. The man simply wanted to save his family. He didn't want to destroy the Canvas but was left with no other choice since his wife and daughter were fucking retarded and he didn't want them to die.
>>729463869If Those french fucks have so little control as the game implies then there is no way Aline and Maelle wouldn't just make another Verso in another cancas. Second anyone that would create and destroy sentient life like this deserves to die in the canvas
>>729478707I was being sincere
INCESTThink about incestThank you
>>729478768cool
>>729470707God damn that would've been kino. But it would be the obvious choice, and the devs wouldn't have their stupid ending discussion they clearly yearned for.
>>729463395i played this game recently and my god is it ass.>opening music is complete shit full of annoying vocals>game starts with shitty cutscene>oh my lord why are the graphics so horrible on high>try to fix the ugly hair and other shit graphics>whole opening is made for woman with the cheap paris dating plot>cheap tearjerker cuz gustaves gf dies>only thing u will remember is the hair she has looking like an ugly wig on an oversized head>multiple nigger and ugly npc everywhere>slog thru cutscene after shitty cutscene for a hour>combat is full of visual vomit copied straight out of persona 5/atlus shitter jrpg>lets give u sekiro/souls like but way worse due to turn based combat and make it frustratingly slowstory was least interesting at the start, but everything else is horrible. How the hell can people praise it as anything else than mediocre and unoptimized UE5 slop with unfitting enviromental assets. Is it just woman and actual fags praising this, due to the romance plot and drama?
>>729478540She can paint living worlds of fiction as vivid or moreso than reality. What cope?
>>729479059you bait poorly darling
>>729473745lmao
>>729479118what in my post is bait you actual fag? You have to actually play and start the game to know what i wrote.
>>729479059they'll call it bait but they'll be able to argue against you kek>UE5 slop with unfitting enviromental assetsmost obnoxious part of the game outside of the way the story shoots itself in the foot toward the end.game is genuinely just a glittered pig that relies on 'crumbling world' visuals to defend its total lack of art direction because their environmental designers just put random shit everywhere as it came up in the model index
>>729473832Painted Verso didn't care much about Kid Verso. P. Verso's primary motive was to die. The other stuff was just gravy. But yes, Verso's ending is ultimately the correct one.
Renoir and Clea have respectable positions in their own right. Maelle's position is understandable given she's a teen with horrific burn scarring. Aline is simply in the wrong for hurting her family, as well as creating humans in the canvas and burdening them with your family drama.
>>729475428Anon Maelle's ending is the ultimate defeat. You are killing yourself and the Canvas is still doomed. Its a bad end for all involved.
>>729463395Not reading any of that as I'm actively playing the game, but I need somewhere to bitch.There being 4 different dodge/party buttons adds nothing to the combat. The constant active dodge/parry is reducing the fun on the combat, as it basically just turns into "take no damage and win harder." Plot is being decent so far (just got to old Lumire), but I have no idea why people say this combat system is good vs TB JRPGs. Even Trails has a better system. I should be able to look at something else during the enemies turn outside of boss fights.
>>729479843You are actually retarded.
Every faggy soiboi I have seen picked maelle, anyone with a ounce of masculinity picked verso.
>>72947984320/10 bait
>>729480047>>729480109parryfags in such shambles they can't even make arguments now
>>729463395The problem with this is that now you're just playing pretty pretty princesses with Maelle, except you're all pretend and she's real. Maybe Monaco and Esquie are cool with that since that was the deal with OG Verso, but I can't see Lune especially being OK with it. Especially since Maelle clearly has some screws loose now. And yeah, Aline and Renoir are going to come knocking and Maelle is no match for them together. (plus Clea)DLC scenario: mindfuck the Dressendre family, New Lumiere independence.
>>729480151The purpose of the dodge is for shitters to learn the timing of parries without getting frustratedThe purpose of parries is to parryGradient Counters are different moves and you're mad about the name because you're retarded If you're dodging that's your fault? It's literally, and outright said at the beginning of the game, to be a training wheels mechanic.
>>729480167Painted Clea learned to paint and Simon can gommage others, this suggests the people of Lumier can figure it out as well and become masters of the canvas themselves.
>>729480283I parry most attacks already. I'm not bad at it, it's just annoying busywork that defeats the purpose of turn based combat.This is also ignoring how the game devs don't realize how momentum works when doing the animations so you don't know when the attacks are going to happen.Paper Mario 64 did this better.
>>729479843The only problem I have is that you can be overleveled so easily. Being overleveled removes the strategic thinking and enjoyment
>>729480465That's normal in JRPGs. Choosing how much to grind is your dynamic difficulty modifier.
>>729480465I actually think the difficulty is perfect, if you can't beat a fight you can eithed1-learn to parry all the enemy moves and win through skill2-grind and overcome the fight with numbers/pictos/weapon upgrades/etc
>>729479843>Even Trails has a better system.>Even TrailsIsn't Trails supposed to have good combat? I haven't played much but the writing is the biggest complaint I've heard about that series, not the gameplay>>729480725>>729480987>grindIf you do any exploring or side content at all the main story content becomes trivial, which becomes a way worse problem in Act 3. Balance is bad, it's not just a case where if you grind it becomes easy.
>>729480987My only issue with the difficulty is that Painted Power Pictos breaks Act 3 and should be awarded at the end of the game instead.
>>729481094Trails has a bad combat system if you like customizing characters. All characters are basically fixed in a role.Sad to hear about the balance later, but it's pretty easy early on. Since you don't take damage due to parrying/dodging everything, you just sink points into damage and just win already. That is another reason why it's a bad mechanic.
>>729481157I beat the game a couple days ago, i don't think you can beat the final fights without it.
>>729470707>Guatave vows that Lumiere and it's descendants will train and get stronger with even better Lumina converter tech to keep Desandre fucking shits out.That would never work because they can't resist getting gommaged, the party only won because they had Verso and Maelle who are resistant or immune to it.
>>729481242>Sad to hear about the balance laterThey had to introduce damage cap options and options to increase enemy HP by 2x, 5x, or 10x after people complained about Act 3 being too easy. Still doesn't matter because you can stunlock everything so that they never get a turn.
>>729481242I literally put all my points into defense and vitality and then picked weapons with that scaling and face tanked alot of hits
>giving god-dictator powers over the whole world to a womyn
>>729464603nothing more goy like than being a solipsistic low life like that shit hole family is
>>729482045worse, to a teenage girl
>>729463395if you played this game youre probably vaccinated. we know you are, and probably fake gamers too!
>>729482386I'd rather be called a slur than a gamer
>>729465613there is nothing stopping her from going out telling mom to stop being a drama queen bitch and paint the people back. if she actually gets the char development she deserves past her ending
>>729481293E60 chads were able to force themselves the gommage barrier by being /fit/
>>729482386thank god i'm not a real gamer
