Plague Javelin + Charged Strike amazon is pretty straightforward.
Focus on Plague Javelin first plus the synergy then start dumping points into Charged Strike.
Make a couple of runewords like OrtSol in your helm, RalOrtTal in your shield, TalEth in your armor and you are good to go.

Summonmancer
All your points into raise skeleton, skeleton mastery. Don't bother with skeletal mages or revives.

>>729485242
garbage game

>>729485242
you should do whatever you want for your first character. follow a spec on respec

>>729485743
All raise Skeleton and Golem. He'll need Golems to survive Hell and Nightmare.

play blizzsorc and you can beat the game naked

>>729487249
I wish you could play as the sorc naked

>>729487249
Unless your definition of beating the game is finishing normal, no.

>>729485671
>runewords
Cringe sweatlord behavior

>>729485242
poison necro

>>729487786
Those are the cheapest fucking things and take no time to grab. If you wanted to be sweaty on that amazon you would be farming normal cow king for death's gloves and death's belt that you are going to upgrade later.

>>729485242
i raped the whole game as a wind druid, so if you want an easy build try that

>>729485242
Nova Energy Shield Sorc

>>729485671
>>729487917
2/20 gloves are pretty easy to gamble for as well

>>729488293
I like the 2 piece death's unless you get cannot be frozen somewhere else.
You should be shopping for them at Anya instead of gambling, faster.

>>729487370
>diablo baal and mephisto will never seethe at a naked brown witch hopping all over their demonic lair and styling on them while tyrael seethes in the corner because his Horadrim a shit.

>>729485743
>>729486883
remember clay golem to inflict retardation into bosses

>>729486883
I don't find Hell fun to play at all. Nightmare is interesting with the immunes, but the slavish devotion to builds and grinding is totally killer. OP should just take his time enjoying Normal and talking to all the NPCs.

>>729489050
Hell is hard for certain groups over others. But I was able to complete it solo even with a summoner necro. Without following any builds. Just doing whatever I thought would work. Takes a lot of portal hopping when fighting bosses, but it is doable.

The game with truly shitty immunities and enemy skills is Diablo III.

Diablo 2 was actually a lot more enjoyable for me with a controller.

>>729487786
if you can't find these in a normal mode playthrough your luck is so abysmal you will absolutely never find the good shit

>>729489050
summon necro is the one build that makes hell a total joke, just get a few key items from shops and crappy rune words and you will dominate

>>729485743
This but also with corpse explosion and decrepify. And an act 2 mercenary with Insight Runeword.

Decrepify was such a ridiculous curse. Bugged the shit out of half the bosses in the game. And stripped physical damage reduction.

>>729491693
Completely false. Zoomancer falls apart in Hell without aura support via runewords.

>>729491904
nah, you walk over everything that's not a boss with corpse explosion and grab some cb revives for diablo/baal, easiest no item required shit imaginable

you need a little gear to do ubers though i guess

>>729492031
Insane levels of gaslighting. Zoo gets absolutely decimated by ubers instantly. I don't even care if you're running max summon resist with sanctuary, that shit is toast.

>>729491675
It's pretty hard to find a sol rune in normal.

>>729492152
He never mentioned ubers.

>>729485242
Spec into one ability you like and spam it all game

>>729492339
True enough. My bad.

>>729492152
Firstly, you have no fucking idea what 'gaslighting' means. It doesn't just mean 'lying' you demented faggot.

Next, that anon is completely correct that Necromancer actually does have an easy time in Hell. Although you certainly don't need to use blunderbores for the boss kills outside of ubers. You *do* need to use a mercenary and you will go much slower compared to a Paladin or Sorceress, but Hell is certainly very easy for a Necromancer.

>>729489023
Clay golem isn't enough by itself, you also need decrepify alongside it

>>729485743
>>729486883
>>729489023
>>729491693
>>729491861
summon necro is the absolute most BORING fucking thing in the entire game. yes it does everything well but it's a complete slog. if you want to have fun, pick something else. even with enigma it's still somehow boring. summon druid is more fun and also better because of the glitched synergies.
my god i cannot get over how fucking boring summon necro is. it's worse than sorcs.

>>729485242
D2R? Make a Sin that later makes mosaic
D2? Grab project diablo and try some of the new viable builds the mod offers.

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>>729492556
>summon druid is more fun and also better

>>729492376
Learn to read
>>729492427
t. Braindead clown who took 32 years to kill his first PI pack and then proceeded to die 74 times to gloams with his shitty softcore neceo

>>729485242
Disregard everything in this thread and play Holy Fire Paladin

>>729492152
i was being sarcastic about ubers lol, you basically need a full inventory of summon gcs and its still tricky

but for regular hell stuff you need nothing at all. might merc+curse is strong with insight in a decent base

im on act 3 normal
am i actually supposed to use mercs

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>strong builds
Hammerdin, javazon, blizzsorc, lightsorc(strongest farm build with infinity), Zealot(melts ubers), mosaic sin
>versatile builds
summonecro, winddruid, trapsin
>meme builds
throwbarb, bowadin, spearzon

I probably forgot a ton.

>>729492427
paladin is also super easy in hell too because insight

but i hate playing hammers even if it shits all over everything with no gear

>>729492951
Yeah, act 2 mercs are the strongest mercs and only mercs you'll be using due to their aura.

>>729492556
What do you even do as a summon druid, even with the Ressurected buffs? A Necro can at least do amplify damage and corpse explosion.

>>729492971
Throw barb is solid now because of the Piercing attack and stock replentishment.

Fury druid was surprisingly fun

>>729492770
This guy right here.
Once you hit fire immunes you'll be way past a1 nightmare so you can switch if you lack the balls.

>>729493481
I tried one and it was such a miserable slog in NM. Maybe if you fully pre-kit yourself out its fine, but self found and playing as you go was awful.

I was constantly gambling Throwables whenever I could and eventually just swapped to a shitty Warcry Barb with Dual Spirits and was able to go straight to Hell and farm Pits and Trav at P8 easily and never went back.

>>729485242
Its dated i'm afraid

>>729493481
I might have to try it out then. I'm tried of trying to farm a good bow for my bowazon.

>>729493772
What I really like about it is that ethereal throwing weapons hardly run out of stock once you max out your throwing mastery, but yeah I think I did twink mine from my frenzy barbs drops.

>>729493413
recast your summons as they die i guess
>>729493745
swap to holy shock anyway, its cooler
>>729493772
playing any build that requires a decent weapon self found is kind of ass

>>729487414
seems like a sensible definition of beating the game, you can fuck off to hell yourself tryhardtard

>>729485242
trapsin
necro summoner
jumping barb into shouting barb
lightning javazon
fire aura pala is fun while leveling
summoner druid

It depends on what you want to do and more importantly where you'll usually play

All builds are viable in Hell /players 1 but if you're an offline singlelplayer the amount of viable builds lessen by /players 5-8, hell some of them already get filtered by /players 3

Do you want to just mindlessly grind against monsters and act bosses? Do you want to farm torches? or maybe you just want to memebuild and wing it until you get bored

>>729494487
not all builds are hell viable self found... some would even need like weeks of farming just to start

>>729494674
You can beat Hell /players 1 with early-mid game runewords

It'll be slow and a slog in certain parts but its doable

I don't even play offline singlelplayer with /players cheats, I'm stuck on online non-ladder solo

>>729494809
mostly talking about meme shit that needs hr just to play but i guess there's not too many

>>729492556
Some people have fun playing a Necro precisely because of the build it is. Especially since no game since has done it the same way. Other games either drastically lower the amount of summons or make the summons shit.

Even then, you actually have to pay attention in Nightmare and Hell. Especially in the worm pit and bosses. It's not just turning off your brain and letting the skeletons kill stuff for you. You probably only played Summon Necro on normal.

>>729492556
filtered

>>729485242
Hammer Paladin is my ole reliable

>>729491490
I find most ARPGs to be really comfortable on controller. Navigating menus usually sucks though and so does using skills that you need to aim.

least effort effective builds you can take through all difficulties
hammerdin paladin
blizzard fireball sorc
charged strike / lightning fury amazon
elemental druid
lighting traps assassin

everyone else runs into major issues without significant gear in hell difficulty

>>729485242
Whirlwind barb is always fun especially when you get a big ass 5 socketed hammer and fill that fucker with skulls.
However, bone fetishes and scarabs will fuck your day up like no tomorrow because their bone explosion and lightning waves will either instantly kill you from taking everything in the single frame, or you'll die from the next one or two on your otherwise invincible death spin.

people stop telling him hammerdin, That shit is legitimately awful and clunky to play without enigma.

when do 4 sockets start dropping, and are there any 3 socket words worth using on paladin

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god i hate static field

>>729495905
All non-Sorc builds are terrible without Enigma

Hey guys new to diablo 2 here, sorry if anything I say is offensive. 'Builds' in this game seem like you just literally just pick 1 skill maybe 2 and dump everything into it.

Im playing for the first time ever and I picked barbarian. The skill trees seem so small and samey. I guess I want to get whirlwind once im level 30, but until then it looks like every other 'skill' are just variations of hitting the enemy or shouts/taunts. is there more to it than that? I thought this game was supposed to have some depth.

>>729497931
You add runes/gems/etc to weapons and skills in higher difficulties. The game also encourages experimentation and replaying it. So having a moderate sized skill tree is good for quick play. If it had this crazy Path of Exile level skill tree, it would have been overkill.

>>729497931
>is there more to it than that
there are some weapons that grant skills outside of the tree but no not really
this game simply popularized the genre, don't expect too much from it if you have an idea of what other games have done with the formula
skills can also be leveled up way beyond the softcap of 20 with proper gear

>>729497931
brother it's a 25 years old game and the first of its genre
It's also very different from what it used to be on release. No there is no depth of build, you're just supposed to enjoy going through the game. It has nice environments, music and awesome cinematics.

is paladin fun in this game?

>>729497931
I FUCKING LOVE GAMBLING

I replayed D2R last year and it honestly doesn't hold up at all. There's lots of cheap gimmicks like static field and scarabs, classes are hilariously imbalanced (it's why everyone recommends to play sorc first), every class builds the same (stack vit), and end game is just doing baal/andy/mephisto 24/7.

>>729498923
hell yeah even if you don't put a billion points in the auras you can still use them
gets CHARGE which turns you into a fuckin car zooming around the map
you get holy bolt which has one of the best sfx in the game and pierces enemies, heals allies
blessed hammer is basically game breaking broken if you get teleport from literally any source
fist of heavens absolutely nukes bosses and trivializes hell with tri element

pally is fun as fuck even if you just go all in on zeal and score a % chance on striking mod, any of them

>>729485242
poison necromancer
throwing barbarian

>>729485242
Sorceress because it's a class that has teleport which means you won't have to open boxes in lower kurast for 100 hours (literally) to make an enigma
Spec into two elements (generally either lightning or fire + frozen orb) to deal with most immunities
If you see immunities you can't deal with, just skip them with teleport (now you know what's the deal with enigma)

Seriously I'd like to see the reasoning of a retard who came up with enemy immunities shit. This mechanic adds absolutely nothing to the game, it just there to make the player to not play the game. There's a reason not a single game in a genre that d2 spawned copied that.

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>>729485242
Q: How many hours does it take for these builds to take shape?
I want to play for first time but don't have 100s hours to put into it

>>729500409
Magic builds typically require much less gear, all you need is a few generic +skills mods and then max life/resistances
Attack builds are harder to scale, you're miserable for a long time but if you get twinked gear and reach endgame levels, you start outperforming magic (sometimes).

>>729497931
>Im playing for the first time ever and I picked barbarian.
Lmao it's already over for you

>>729500409
If you just want to play normal and maybe nightmare, you can do it in one sitting. Maybe 2. You only have to invest tons of time if you want to get crazy gear. Which is only really necessary for PvP. And you're never going to catch up to the PvP players of today. They've been doing it for 20 years and are more autistic than you can ever hope to be.

>>729500084
>Seriously I'd like to see the reasoning of a retard who came up with enemy immunities shit.
Filtered

>>729485242
javazon was my first holy shit build

>>729499743
This sort of experience is why I didn't bother clearing hell even on summon necro. Couldn't farm up runewords in the time it took to unlock hell and farming in general is the most boring shit. Normal enemies in act 1 were whittling down my skeletons faster than I could make them.
I could've cheated in the stuff I "needed" at that point since it's single player but that wouldn't have been sporting. As far as I'm concerned I beat the game. I really didn't care for the proto-mmo slog.

>>729500084
>Spec into two elements (generally either lightning or fire + frozen orb) to deal with most immunities
It's better to spec into one element, let your act 2 merc handle the rest, and if you do run into something that's resistant to both physical and your chosen element then you gtfo. In Hell you simply don't do enough damage splitting your DPS between two different elemental spells.

>>729500637
Filtered from what? Teleporting away from enemies with immunities towards enemies with no immunities?
Opening the boxes in lower kurast for another 100 hours to also make a mercenary stick that shreds immunities?
Come on fag, let's see you elaborate on what exactly that shit adds to the game.

>>729500992
You can't even farm Lower Kurast online lmao

I can beat the game in like 5 hours from normal to hell with multiple classes. You're filtered my guy.

>>729501123
Well I beat it normal to hell in under 3 hours. Looks like you're the bitch here lmfao.

>>729501123
5 hours is slow as hell dude why are you bragging about this

Diablo 4 is fun now.

>>729501260
Exactly what about it is fun?

>>729501123
You mean without twinking?

>>729501383
Yea, start of ladder. Online. Solo.

>>729501412
Damn, I'm slow. I don't understand how people can do 5 hours normal to hell

>>729501438
You basically need to know when and what to farm for and when to push on. And to be fair I can only do it with Sorc, Pally and Assassin.

>>729501376
New classes are fun.
Story is good.
Characters are likeable.
Map is gorgeous.
End game is robust.

It's basically a better D3 at this point. At the very least, imo 50% off is a compelling argument for a single playthrough of the campaign.

>>729501591
>New classes are fun.
>Story is good.
>Characters are likeable.
>Map is gorgeous.
>End game is robust.
And now without lying

>online ladder
Sorceress for tryhards
any other class and builds for comfy, you'll never level high enough though
>online non-ladder
Anything since you'll be stuck solo most of the time
Sorceress is still the fastest thanks to teleport, once you max farmed a Sorceress you can now quickly build other classes
>offline
Just use hero editor and mods

>>729501739
Oh you're just trolling, okay.

>>729501754
>Sorceress for tryhards
Why? Sorc is the best class to farm and she gives you a huge headstart in trading unless you have a buddy who just gives you an enigma for free.

>>729501579
Also very important is that you know how the maps are generated. You basically need to look at any part of a map and have the rest roughly visualized in your head. If you start running around aimlessly looking for an exit, you've already lost.

>>729501863
>Oh you're just trolling, okay.
You came into a D2 thread to talk about an entirely different game, one that you know that the resident population of the thread dislikes. What were you even trying to accomplish?

>>729501928
>have the rest roughly visualized in your head
is it really possible to extrapolate that far? I know some of the tricks but I'm calling bs. Show me your ways, master.

>>729501591
That's cool but aspects of itemization and character building literally don't exist in that game.
I seriously don't understand how retards at blizzard literally have the game that spawned the entire genre on their hands, and they can't even be bothered to figure out why people still play it and likes of it. After 2 decades they still have zero clue.

>>729501975
>is it really possible to extrapolate that far?
Obviously doesn't work EXACTLY for any map, because some can be generated really fucking random. But for many it works. Takes a lot of experience though. I've been playing this game for nearly 20 years

>>729501937
I actually wanted to hear opinions on why D4 is so hated since all these criticisms about D2 had me thinking, but if you're just set on hating it despite knowing nothing about it that's fine. I'm not going to engage and feed (You)s any further.

>>729485242
If you just want to beat normal and nightmare on your first character with zero issues, summoner druid is incredibly effective. Pretty slow on Hell though.

>>729502092
>If you just want to beat normal
Holy Fire Paladin

>>729485242
Install diablo 4 if you want some fun

>>729485242
kick sin
bone necro
if the version you're playing is old enough, poison necro

>>729499743
>classes are hilariously imbalanced (it's why everyone recommends to play sorc first)
People recommend Sorc because it's the best farming class. You can clear the game with any character you want.

>>729486883
no summonmancer can survive hell, no matter what they do, summonmancer is such a retardedly bad build it's hilarious
good luck trying though!

all necros are corpse explosion necros, its just a matter of how you want to get your first kill

>>729492556
>yes it does everything well
except for the actual game, which is hell difficulty

>>729502612
>all necros are corpse explosion necros
Always have been

>>729502523
>it's the best farming class.
Yes and it works out of the box. Most classes/builds are severely gimped without farming so unless you're playing a Hammerdin or something, you roll Sorc first.

>>729494809
anything besides /players 8 isn't the actual game

>>729502721
This.

>>729499743
sorc is dogshit, play it if you're a nigger and think /players 1 means you're actually playing the game
also the demake version is dosshit, play it if you have aids

>>729502704
I imagine some noob reading this and later getting absolutely wrecked by ancients in hell.

>>729500861
>Normal enemies in act 1 were whittling down my skeletons faster than I could make them.
literally all summons get instantly evaporated everywhere in less than an instant in the actual game, summons are a complete meme and anyone who tells you to play them is trolling you

I remember being a retarded kid and putting 20 points into Skeleton Magi every time. I convinced myself through false memories they were powerful and essential in Hell mode and did it again.

I was hoping D2R would have upgraded them and boosted their damage numbers by like x10 or something. I don't get why they have HALF the HP of a regular Skelly and like 1/100th the damage. Lower Resist could double their DPS to double digits but 1 Skeleton with Amp will do more damage anyways.

>>729501123
>t. /players 1
you didn't beat hell

What's a good/fun assassin build that isn't tr*ps? I'm not playing Resurrected so I don't have access to Mosaic or other remake stuff.

>>729502876
see >>729502508

>>729502876
Mosaic Assassin is the most OP build in the game

Build it and enjoy not playing a Sorceress or Paladin forever

>>729503051
read what youre responding to you retarded fucking monkey

>>729502779
>>729502824
Severe skill issue, I must say.

>>729503051
illiterate fucking retarded nigger

>>729503097
>he still doesn't know that playing on /players 1 is the tutorial mode
follow this retarded nigger's advice if you forever want to suck ass at the game

>>729503163
>>729502874
>>729502779
>>729502721
You're annoying

>>729503163
You already lost. Please leave and let the adults talk.

>>729502824
I'm going to assume you got filtered by Korlic. Just reroll until the other two aren't immune, kill them, then let your merc solo Korlic. If you're shit to the point you can't even gear your merc properly, then grab a cheapo wand from the shop with fireball or something then kite him for 10 minutes.

>>729503201
you're a faggot

>>729485242
No point playing original D2 anymore.
Install Project Diablo 2 and try corpse explosion necromancer.
Addicting af.

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trapsin all day every day

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>>729500861
>eh I didn't finish the game because it was too difficult for too little fun
>I was like 2/3 through and ANYWAY I could have simply cheated in better gear... so yeah, I consider that finished
mongoloid

Whats "I dont care" build
The build that can do literally anything with having to worry about immune shit and just cant die and facetank

>>729505656
king

>>729506414
Hammerdin most likely. Very few things get magic immunity and you can sink all your gear into your merc to cover those.

>hear d2 is peak
>try it out
>first enemies are demon imps that are faster than you and run away from you
>offscreen shaman resurrects them
>there's a stamina system for running .exe
>make it to the next zone thinking im finally done with them
>nope, here's a reskin
>uninstall
why do people think this game is good?

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>>729506886

>>729506886
uncs love braindead cookie clickers I guess
I understand the love for other Blizzard titles but Diablo, I will never get.

>>729507419
you mean their shitty rts games? they were so shitty people had to make mods in order to make them fun

>>729507453
don't talk shit about the WC3 and frozen throne campaigns

>>729485242
Played this for thousands of hours in the 2000's and mostly rotated between four builds
>Frozen orb + meteor sorceress
>Lightning sorceress
>Skeleton necromancer with a clay golem
>Wind druid with a bear

Very easy to do any of these without hard to find gear

>>729506864
good luck with Baal wave 2

>>729508267
merc with lawbringer is pretty cheap

>>729506886
Diablo 2 gets fun once you realize melee classes exist mainly to make the spellcasters appear more powerful by comparison and you're meant to start with a sorceress or necromancer.

>>729485743
I tried this once, I got rawfucked by Duriel. What are you supposed to do with duriel if all your skellys die fast and you have no corpses?

>>729508543
spam clay golem
but honestly necro has no answer to bosses in general just rely on a merc and a golem

>>729508612
Ah ok, thank you

>>729508543
With summonmancer you have to use iron maiden on bosses and keep summoning your clay golem. The boss will hit the golem and receive its own attack damage as damage to itself. Keep resummoning the golem, rinse and repeat. It's still annoying though. To my knowledge Project Diablo 2 solved this by allowing you to create a pile of bones or something, from which you can summon skeletons anywhere.

>>729508543
TP home, kill some weak enemies outside town, get a full group of skeletons, go back. Having a clay golem to slow duriel and amplify damage should be enough to take him unless you're severely underleveled. The act 2 merc also buffs your skeletons with his aura so TP back to revive him if he dies too quickly, and try to keep duriel's attention on your golem.

>>729485242
The universal thing with this genre is if you are playing a game for the first time and wanna have a good time play a spell caster. The class doesn't matter as long as you fight with spells. If you do with an attack build you'll constantly have to worry about upgrading your weapon and melee defenses.
The even better version of this is playing a summoner and they breeze through the standard game but be warned in these games they usually make bosses do extra damage to summons to balance it out so it usually doesn't work if you don't know what you are doing.

>>729508543
remember to stand some distance away from Duriel so you don't get slapped by Holy Freeze, which will make your casts slower

>>729492556
>summon druid is more fun and also better
no its not. corpse explosion is one of the best skills in the game for single player. it wouldnt matter if druid summons did 5x more dmage necro still comes ahead because of corpse explosion hitting the entire screen for 100% of a monsters HP

>>729502721
its not really worth it to go over players 3 when target farming bosses or rare mobs.

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>look up Project Diablo 2
>pic related
Are they actually gay enough to ban you for this shit or is this just something they put on their site to cover their asses
I lost my copy of D2 forever ago