why do I have to read a 50 fucking page google doccy to understand how any of the damage I do in this fucking game actually works?
>>729497896Its a bad game
>>729497896hack&slash fans love spreadsheets
>>729498118okay but why are there 20 different damage types all with their own dot counterparts and their own bonuses of percent vs flat damage which affect different things from skills or just weapon damage (which some skills are weapon damage) and are sometimes global affecting and sometimes not and sometimes stack with each other and sometimes don't and then we get into damage conversions which all have their own priority and can stack on top of each other except for armor piercing conversion which for some reason has lower priority than all other times oh and don't even get me started on the order of defense formula and the different kinds of armbor absorption, damage absorption, armor rating, or retaliation damage and of course there's the way that some things stack additively, multiplicatively, or seemingly not at all and only take the highest value applied at completely fucking random from different sources WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
>>729498658>ignores the real answer>>729498059
>>729497896I like thinking and reading, so this game appeals to me.
>>729497896You don't need to know the damage formula to play the game
>>729501343you can really fuck yourself over if you don't know how conversion works
>>729501343I mean you can fumble your way through normal and elite with anything sure but if you don't know how to build damage types appropriately you will not be able to handle the superboss celestials on ultimate in any reasonable manner, and generally the whole point of these games is to become as optimally powerful as possible and do the biggest numbers which requires a certain understanding of how damage is calculated or else you'll just be gearing up with a bunch of shit that doesn't actually help you at all
>>729501740You can *finish* ultimate just fine, even though you won't be able to beat the most difficult content. I got all of my ultimate HK achievements as a meme summoner tank Death Knight, whose skeletons couldn't even deal enough damage to effectively kill healers.
>>729501447All you need to know is that you can't do back to back conversion and that skill conversion takes priority over gear but even that is already past the scope of what you need to know to beat the game.On softcore you can also power though Ultimate with minimal knowledge, just getting a feel for stats and putting on what feels good.There's nothing wrong with wanting to know the ins and outs of the game's mechanics but I take offense with people claiming you HAVE to know all this.
>>729502065having both left and right click be skills and neither a non-attacking move-to is insane to me
>>729502124You can just set one of them to movement-only.
>>729498059bad genre*
>>729502124I bind force move to E
>>729498658There's a reason why it's called Grim Yawn, it's a spreadsheet simulator for clunky gameplay with no payoff. Refund and buy Titan Quest, it's what GD is based on but 1000000x better
>>729502065>but I take offense with people claiming you HAVE to know all this>>how any of the damage I do in this fucking game actually works?the point was that if you do want to understand how your damage is stacking it's incredibly complicated and it's very easy to fall into redundant pitfalls that make you weaker by building into things that don't actually compliment each other at allresistance reduction is an easy example of something that can do basically nothing for you if you don't do it right
>>729497896Lmao what>Damage type X is resisted by X resistance>If you have "% of X damage converted into Y damage" this means you deal that % of Y damage instead of XThis doesn't look like 50 pages retard. Math is extremely straightforward in this game, it's not poe where damage types have different interactions and conversion is a complex esoteric mechanic that enables weird bullshit. Methinks you're just completely braindead.
>>729502415Sure, I can agree with that. It's just that too often people complain about such things long before they're actually relevant to them.
>>729502539>>Damage type X is resisted by X resistanceyou literally failed at the first stepthere are 9 levels of damage resist calculation alone
>>729498658How did you even complete elementary school math education? Actually, did you complete it at all?
The constellations giving points to allow you to get other constellations is a major problem. Having abilities tied to these cuts into classes. You have to play through the game multiple times to even unlock all the points and then the skills have to be levelled up from use.The whole thing is a mess and it's bullshit that the game works as well as it does.
>>729502539>>729502618also for the record the "% damage_type resistance" is only like the 4th or 5th level of defense I can't remember
>>729502618Most of them have absolutely nothing to do with damage types.
>>729498118Devil May Cry and Bayonetta fans love spreadsheets?
>>729498658You sound retarded. Just make numbers go up.
>>729497896that's why you let the guys with the big autism pants make builds for you on the internet and then you copy them
Why'd they reveal the expansion 5 years ahead of release?
>>729502694you clearly have no idea how the game works>>729502657the constellation system is one of the best parts, especially being able to have constellations self-sustain themselves. It makes it into one big puzzle to work what you want out of it and it gives you some consistent form of meta progression through all of the classes that you learn more nuances about as you play different masteries that need different constellations
>>729502317What a retarded take. Titan Quest is the worst of these games. There are hardly any enemies.
>>729497896just fucking play PoE 1 or D2 and don't worry about it
>>729497896>>729498059>>729498118>>729498658Why is /v/ full of mouth breathing retards now?
>>729502863you just going to keep posting this same bait over and over?
Why the fuck is armor so complicated when it literally only effects physical damage received, not even internal traumaIndividualized armor stats for each piece with randomized allocation of damage location, armor absorption mechanics and stats which allow your armor to soak up more armor than otherwise, universal armor in utility slots like the belt or skills or whatever, and then at the end of the day it only even works for a single damage type and doesn't even help you with its counterpart DoT to mitigate damage.It's so weirdly obtuse.
>>729503660>for a single damage typePlay with high armor and without armor and you will feel just how pathetic and fragile you are in latter case in 99% of encounters.
Haven't played much.Any meleechad build that is not soldier->cadence?
>>729502787they admitted they made a mistake by announcing it when they just decided to make a new expansion. before they had announced xpacs when development was already well underway, so you weren't waiting as long.they have a dev blog update tomorrow. MAYBE they'll finally announce a hard release date
>>729503987I'm playing 2H warder (shaman/soldier) with savagery and blade arcI got a gutsmasher and built the bleed constellations and it's funthough going primal strike with lightning would be more legally distinct from cadence than going savagery. Primal strike is an awesome feeling skill, and you would probably go into something else like demo or occultist
>>729503987NightbladeBelgothian setStacking cunning2nd class may be inquisitor or soldier, and specific gear might differ between them, but overall setup is the same. You just have two piercing weapons, 100% WPS pool and kill shit with it.Nightblade, not soldier, is the strongest melee class because of the whole DW lineup, because it also has very good aoe skills, additional movement skill and a panic button, and because there are items which enable its full combination with basically any other class. Some time ago some people made a rating of strongest builds and more than half of them were nightblade+something.
>>729497896>diablo 2 from wish
>>729497896Because you have autism and unironically don't have the IQ to just level up the spells you like
>>729497896Because you didn't pay attention to the tutorial? I guess? Or you refuse to read the in-game tool tips? I really can't answer that for you. I MUST assume you are illiterate.
>>729502657>You have to play through the game multiple times to even unlock all the pointsI'm pretty sure you can unlock all devotion points in a single Normal playthrough. Or at least almost all of them.
>>729504623does it survive hardcore?
>>729502317>it's a spreadsheet simulator for clunky gameplay with no payofThis is true unfortunately. I actually like the spreadsheet part and making builds in grimtools. But the gameplay is meh and there's not much interesting/challenging combat. Also the grinding aspect is uninteresting.
>>729497896>Grim YawnYou're supposed to sleep not play.
>>729503660I agree. Basically armor is still relevant because various enemies have been given clusterfuck physical attacks that hit you for like 1000 damage 20 times at once so you gotta have ~1000 armor or you get assblasted (numbers are not accurate but you get the idea). It's definitely obtuse.
how to do damage in ANY ARPG:>look at what kind of damage your skill does>fire?>look for elemental/fire damage>are there proc mechanics?>read into the specifics>look for gear scaling those variablesit isn't that complicated
>>729502273Didn't these faggots promised wasd movement?
>>729506320wasd is gay
>>729506667still better than point n click shit
why do they always nerf AAR
>>729497896You don't. You just need to check which dropped gear gives you the most damage and swap it accordingly.
>>729505674Fuck do I know? It's a high armor high lifesteal melee build with a best facetank skill in the game and an invul button, performs consistently in baseline content (old shard 75, new shard 30), until one day some obscure shit will instantly drop you 100-0 and you won't be able to even say what that was because this game's visual clarity is shit and because it doesn't elaborate in general. But that's exactly why you engage with a joke game mode intended for torturing twitch clowns, isn't it?
>Game tip: some legendries are build enablers>all build enablers are 94 lvl or FULL SETS ONLYI hate this shit in this game.The max item level should be locked around 70. Horizontality > verticality.I lose all interest to play the moment I reach 94 lvlThey really should add dynamic difficulty mod and remove rep grind dogshit. I'm don't want to do humiliation rituals like lore notes 1-30 run, shrine run. Even playing Elite > Ultimate or Normal > Ultimate is slog. Just let me play the game where difficulty increases after set amout of acts.
How do the constellations work if you use the skip to go straight to expansion content? Cause fuuuuuck going for all the stones again.
What if ARPGs - Got rid of numbers entirely?
>>729508081Sounds like something a crew of "guys who totally worked on Diablo 2" have already tried to peddle in kickstarter.
>>729508081You can't get rid of numbers in a computer program. If you try to hide them under the hood, I am going to datamine them anyway (assuming your game will be worth playing in the first place that is).
GD's systems are insanely overcomplicated for what the game is. Every single thing has something that works in an ass backwards way you have to search from random forum posts that sometimes contradict eachother because nobody else fucking knows either. Playing the actual game is a shitload of fuck but you need a PHD in ancient bullshittistanian to decipher what the devs meant by shit like "enemy resistance reduced by -15%" not to be confused with 5 other modifiers that are worded slightly differently and work in a completely different way and may or may not stack.
>>729506320Idk about wasd, but I know you can play with a controller. I remember doing so two years ago. Unless they removed it for some reason.
>>729508081
I like to play this game with a bunch of unnecessary overcomplicated mods that add janky classes that are almost certainly overpowered. At one point I had an old mod that added a necromancer class from before they added an official one so I just took both and had two entirely different types of skeleton running about.
>>729497896>use ability>enemy diesWhat part are you struggling with?
>>729508907This. I don't understand. GD is pretty simple.
>>729508907The part were you've just been steamrolling through everything then all of a sudden you're dead.
>>729509250Sounds like you stopped paying attention to what you were doing and went on autopilot.
>>729497896>not a single armor set in the entire game has cleavage like that What a fake and gay game.
>>729509250Shotgun attacks. Always.
>>729497896You really dont. Also, Grim Dawn is one of the most boring games ever. Even diablo 2 shits on it and its old as dirt. Its a game for NPC's that love to put their brains on auto pilot and one shot everything until they reach the very end game like 70 hours later. Subhuman game, subhuman genre.
>>729497896Why is her mascara streaking?
>>729510346Because it's sexy.
I hate how shitty "ranged" spell options in GD and how weak some of special effects are>want to play classic mage>Arcanist >useless but cool frost nova (POWERFUL KINO) >lame small shockwave (god awful sound and visual) >PRM (pretty cool visually meh sound)>AAR (POWERFUL KINO)>ass devastation (god awful sound and visual)>TSS (god awful sound and visual)At least it seems like Berserker skills have good visual and sound.
>>729512757>frost nova>useless>He doesn't know
DEEP LORE>https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-lore-notes-pdf-and-ebook-epub-new-update-1-1-9-0/50203
>>729513131This. Frost nova is the greatest screen wiper.It even does DoT for anyone who survives the initial freeze.
does this game have an endgame?
>americans unable to do simple mathyikesbut still fuck crateit has good lore but the story is so badmap is so fucking ugly colour palette is really bad
