AI has come to save Final Fantasy.
I wanted to make some snide remark about how the use of AI will reduce the quality of Final Fantasy, but I doubt the quality can get much worse than it is right now anyway.
At least they openly state that they are firing half their staff for AI
Final Fantasy already felt AI generated since the rise of Troon Fantasy 14 so whatever.
>>729499829based on their last few products i don't think they'll be terribly missed
>>729499716Replacing humans with ai is cringe but telling people to get physically back in the office is based
>>729499716ervery time a company says that they're replacing people with AIreally what it means is that they're downsizing without having to explicitly tell their shareholders that they're downsizing
>>729499853Anon, what year did AI come out. Now what year did 14 come out. You're either a time traveler to feel something that didn't exist or you're a retardomancer. I'm sorry.
>Final FantasyOh no, not the worst modern JRPG in existence. Seriusly, I would play any other JRPG at random over the last few Final Fantasies. I was memed into buying Rebirth but luckily got it refunded.
>>729499941I'm saying that it felt like generic, trend-chasing garbage.
I hope this, at the very least, causes production to be cancelled on the remainder of the Final Fantasy VII Remake Project.
>cost-reduction strategy aimed at achieving savings of approximately 3 billion yen>following a previous restructuring effort that ultimately resulted in the cost totaling 9.8 billion yenWhat is going on at this company?
I wouldn't be surprised if it mostly an excuse to layoff more American/European staff.
>>729499716Is this a new development?All I can find is stuff from over a month ago
>>729500104Square Enix is ran by total retards and it's a miracle that they're still in business
>>729500104They were handed an unprecedented miracle in the form of FFXIV and then they decided to just fuck it all up so now they're dying because that was the only game making them money.
>>729499716just when you thought Final Fantasy couldnt get any sloppier
>>729500104I actually liked XVI but even I can admit that Square Enix might be the most retarded corporation in the industry right now.The FF7 remake project sucks dick though and I don't know how brown you have to be to enjoy that shit but I'm not there.
>>729500325Rebirth actually has gameplay and RPG elements unlike FFXVI.
>>729499716SE heard E33 used AI and sent all in.
>>729499716How many times can you restructure a company, lose money doing so, and get investors on board for another restructuring?
>>729500373Yeah shame it’s still not any fucking good
>>729500172>is ranNice grammar, retard.
>>729500383Guess sucking French dick was worth it for that tidbit.
>>729500325Remake/Rebirth are carried by being the first time Square has made a good ARPG since Kingdom Hearts 1 (not counting the shit they ask h.a.n.d to do) but unfortunately it's attached to the dumbest fucking plot they could possibly come up with.
>>729500408You like FFXVI so your opinion on the quality of games is worth less than the shit I just flushed.
>>729500445Rebirth sold 2m and wasn't carrier anywhere. Remake was only carried by the name and the "remake" part which fooled normalfags. But not even the most generic normie will fall for that one twice.
>make shit games>start dying>fire people and trust AI to stop dyinghahahahahahahahaha
>>729500520What I'm saying is that it wouldn't have sold even that if not for it having gameplay systems way too good for the game that it is.
>>729500527>You now remember that Squeenix is the company that got business advice from fortune tellers
>>729500473But I don’t like XVI you’re just making things up because I refuse to eat shit.
>>729499716I hope Nintendo replaces treehouse next
>>729500563Is that actually true though? I've never seen a source for this shit.
>>729500583>>729500325>I actually liked XVI
>>729499716>AIWell, i guess Square Enix will finally die.
They should just sell FF to Sony and focus on their successful games.
Honestly any change to FF at this point can only be an improvement. I fail to see how even AI can somehow make this worse.
>>729499716pic related already felt 100% ai generated to me
>>729500717>They should just sell FF to SonyYeah, at least the gameplay wouldn't suffer
>>729500824You've done somethnig to this webm, right? This isn't from the actual game I hope?
>>729500619I’m not the first anon you were talking to you’re just a fucking mongoloid.
>>729500383Here is how AI would fix FF. I'm thinking the future is looking good.
>>729500860No, it's not from a game alright.
>>729500824>have a gun>looks like a rifle>decide to walk all the way up the sword-wielding opponent who hasn't been disarmed yetI change my mind, bring on the AI, it would make more sense than this.
>>729500824unreal
I still don't get why they turned FF from a turn based RPG into a generic beat'em up.The gameplay isn't even good
>>729501165ATB isn't turn-based.
>>729501165You might be shocked to realize that there is no IQ test associated with video game directing.
>>729500810This was square? I don't know why I thought it was some western studio that made it
>>729501214You know exactly what I mean. The three niggas in a row formula worked perfectly, why bother with a mediocre action game?
>>729501165It happened because they thought turn-based was a limitation and didn't realize that's what actually players liked about it
>>729499797kill yourself turd based sissy.
>>729501214the way they did it in 4 to 9 was still turn-based. X-2 onwards wasn't (which lines up with when FF went to shit).
>729501502(You) are getting sacked for AI.
>>729501359Because they saw the Witcher games do well and were under the belief they had to bastardize their series to get that level of money and acclaim from gaijins, not realizing Westerners only fuck with Japanese stuff BECAUSE its different than shit done better elsewhere.
>>729499716If you have AI workers make a game then people can't claim the game has AI in it lmao
>>729501548No, real time with cooldowns isn't turn-based.
>>729499716Man, getting into videogames is so cuckedI'm so glad Ï'm just a comfy nerd at my no-name IT company where I get a lot more benefits and pay for less hours than gamedevs
>>729501502>Japan'sAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>729499716ah, so thats how it dies, huh
>>729499716Remember when they were making an NFT game? What happened to that?
Square Enix will outlive everybody on this board.
Just make FF turn based again. It's that easy.
>>729501597anon, youre not safe from ai either
>>729501567But they mudt have realised that The Witcher also did well because the game was well-written and the quests were interesting. The gameplay, while fun and engaging, wasn't the main selling point.Maybe they learned their lesson with E33 winning almost every award under the sun. But they probably won't.
>>729501659ATB isn't turn based.
>forcing people back into offices >cost-reduction strategylmao more like office space investment strategy
>>729501649what does that matter if they dont produce anything worth playing?im not a shareholder, what rich fucks put in their pockets doesnt make me happier or sadderthey could all drop dead for all i care
>>729501587In 4 to 9 nothing else can perform an action when you're performing an action (your turn), it's not the same as real time with cooldowns.
>>729501659
This president was meant to be the sensible one after the last one wasted money investing into NFTs
>>729501665As hard as the CEO tries to push AI tools (fuck it, who cares, they can be alright sometimes) he's not a shareholder suit retard who thinks AI can do and replace anyone, which is the real issue with big tech
>>729501659What site is this from?
>>729501667They've pivoted to remaking a bunch of their old turn based games while they figure out what the fuck they're doingThey outright said a while ago that they weren't going to have any actually big new releases for a few years
>>729499716Glad I didn't buy DQ1+2 remake, it looks AI generated. Another one to the list, it was a nice run.
Oh look the one schizophrenic has arrived to defend Flopbirth.
>>729501718>In 4 to 9 nothing else can perform an action when you're performing an action (your turn),That's not what "a turn" means.
>>729500104>>729500172>What is going on at this company?Over committing to EGS and PS5. Massive spending on really shitty games. Bailan wonderland, Babylon's fall. Bad choices in partners like the latest sekken densetsu. Faltering profits on FF 7r and FF16.>>729500110>>729500527Not an excuse. They deserve it. They spend hundereds of millions on shit games and them inisting on making the games worse. Foamstars, Forespoken. Avengers The trannies behind Wuk. Putting gay shit in FF16.>>729500325>might be the most retarded corporation in the industry right now.Ubisoft. and Xbox are serious competition. Hell, sony's purchase of Bungie, which lead to concord >>729501641Symbiogenesis. It was ASS.
>>729501792Med.
>>729501838A friend of mine actually played that a LOT.It sucked, and what he called "playing" was mostly reading the same generic shounen-garbage you would find in Naruto.
>>729501768Nta, but it's from the most trusted and accurate Steam sales estimator, Gamalytic.
>>729501792sure it does, when you take a turn in chess you're moving your piece, when you take a turn in an FF game you're performing an action with your character. Fiddling around with a menu is just inputting what you want you want to do on your turn. Once you've input your action it can't be interrupted, nobody else can do anything during it. It's a turn.
>>729501567I find it funny that they cited stuff like Witcher, God of War or Game of Thrones as inspiration but utterly failed to capture their appeal. Not that I liked any of those things. I didn't. But the difference in execution is certainly night and day. The Japanese meanwhile don't seem to improve no matter how much time passes. They are terrible at gritty stories. They are terrible at open world. They are terrible at side quests. Even more so than the west tends to be. But they keep insisting on it.
>>729501856Did you even wonder why the system is called active time battle and not simply turn-based?No, of course you didn't.You morons are as retarded as rtwpfaggots who claim rtwp is turn-based.
>>729501502>>729501649>>729501918
>>729501918>16 that much more popular than rebirth in japanNo wonder they're laying everyone off for AI.
>>729501940>most accurate
Honestly they need to kick out their oldfart directors and stop having corporate meddling with the higher ups. FF can't sustain itself if they keep burning time and money.
>>729499797FPBP
>>729499716>PublishingNothingburger
>>729502061Most people bought it on sale because it's not worth full price.
>>729502098They tried that and got Forespoken.
>Just like make FF turn based>They do>TYPICAL SQUARE JUST COPYING E33 STILL SHIT NOT BUYINGYou know this would happen 100% if they did announce the next FF as turn based.
>>729502161copies sold between 438k and 886kon sale or not doesn't matter, that's a huge margin of error and not accurate in the slightest
I bought 16 and thought it was okay.Then I bought rebirth and hated it.Probably never touching another se product again.
>>729499716So how long until they backtrack?
This is the publishing division not the development one. Do any of you know how to read?
>>729502225>angry at the made up scenarios in my head
>>729502256It's the MOST accurate.
>>729502313>no rebuttalYou know damn well it would happen. No matter what SE does or how many turn based games they have made recently, the internet has decided to hate them.
>>729502264I personally though XVI sucked, but at least it felt like it had an identity. It was a sloppy action game with kaiju fights. I have no idea what the FF7R entries are going for. Is the identity "worst remake imaginable"?
>>729499716>work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week>get replaced by a toasterwas it worth it?
>>729502319Well if this is the MOST accurate, it's worthless and should be disregarded in any discussion regarding sales.
>>729502217Well they should try to make an FF game next time.
The companies of the future will be one CEO talking to an AI that will delegate work to other AIs and so on. If he end product is digital there will be an online distribution handled by an AI for that as well. If the end product is a physical item there will be factories with AI and robotic assembly.There will be no employees. Not a single one.Even the maintenance will be done by robots and AIs specialized in that. Diagnostics will be run by specialized AI for that.
>>729502389SE should just tell us how many sales Rebirth has like they did with 16 and DQ3 and Octopath and Pixel Remasters and Nier and Remake. Until then Gamalytic is the MOST accurate and trusted source.
>>729500392OOOOH I'M RESTROOOOCTOOOORING
Didn't they invest in NFTs too? They hop on retarded trends.
>>729502438LinkedIn ass post.
>>729502452They admitted XVI flopped and proudly said it sold 3 million. You know Rebirth absolutely shitted the bed.
>>729502358>no rebuttal to this made up scenario in my headtake your meds already
All these AI fuds replies are made by AI btw.
>>729502563Line must go up, linegoesdownbro
>>729499716Oh joy I can't wait for vibe coding to catastrophically fuck up the game.
>>729502452Except they won't do that anymore, because of the shitstorm created by 16. It sold well but the narrative was "huge flop huge flop" because they used the money it made to fix past mistakes (forspoken, avengers), so the game was deemed unprofitable. So in case they eventually do want to publicly share sales again, nothing is accurate or trusted. gamalytic only covers steam and it's inaccurate as fuck, as shown here >>729501659
They need to try to make a game with no cutscenes(like maybe make a Souls clone) or study Capcom games on how much cutscenes should be in a game. They take years to make a 40 hour game and half of it is cutscenes, and most of them are useless filler ones too.
>>729502642>Except they won't do that anymore, because of the shitstorm created by 16And blue cats come from Jupiter. See I can make shit up too.
>>729502358This is true. But at the time time I'd hate so much to see FF go back to turd based after creating such a fantastic and unique combat in FF7R. I bet if Square made some big budget FF9-tier stale crap it would sell a lot better but that is not what I want from them personally.
>>729500824>"Sephiroth stop this madness... or else we'll have no choice but to slowly approach you holding our guns"
>>729502642DQ3HD came out after both and they proudly announced 2 million sales and even credited it with making them profitable. SE is embarrassed by how bad Rebirth flopped and know they are in the hook for part 3 no matter what.
>>729502745they literally stopped disclosing sales after disclosing FF16's, look up any article following release and see what they have to say. I'm not making anything up.
>>729502808>>729502825Oof. Bad timing.
>>729502808>2 million shipped and downloaded>sales
>>729502642>It sold wellsource?
>>729502887Oh no.
>>729502935Square-Enix
>>729502887>go woke go broke
>>729500172>it's a miracle that they're still in businessi mean... they already went bankrupt once and got bought out. (then the same retards who bankrupted them got put back in charge, what the fuck were Enix thinking?)
>>729502887>>729502982
isn't office space really expensive? how does in-person work result in cost savings? my workplace has a hot desking arrangement where people work alternate days from home because a new department had to share our office space. i don't believe any workplace inefficiencies from wfh actually outweighs the amount of money you burn on renting office space
>>729501665NTA, but I heard that fearmongering for a while and the company did try to "replace your job with AI" on me. If anything that just increased my job security because AI skullfucked my job up so badly that the company's still involved in lawsuits as a result and they were forced to hire me back(at much higher wages because I had another job lined up already) to fix everything. So I really hope this trend continues because it'll probably just indirectly result in another raise.
>>729499716AI aside, their biggest mistake is still going full throttle on colorless, melodramatic games that chase that western realism art style. It's why they're currently obsessed with Expedition 33's success.
>restructuring of the company's Japanese publishing organization>the company's Japanese publishing organization>publishingHow is this going to affect FF development at all?
>>729503092>much higer wageI hope you were being a dick and demanded a consultant's salary. I know I would have.
>>729502741they take years but is not because of cut-scenes. With each new entry they create new original characters, world, lore, rules, etc. Capcom, and especially Fromsoft, recycle a lot of their stuff. Capcom games are also pretty hyperfocused and never strive to be more than the 1 thing. And that's cool and it works for them but that's not FF.
>>729502825retardthey disclosed that octopath surpassed 5 million after rebirth launched and just announced 6 million for pixel remasters a few days ago
>>729502982>shipped and sold>shipped and downloadedsee the difference? 3 million copies have been shipped and SOLD for FF16. 2 million copies have been shipped and downloaded for DQ, no mention of how much of that actually sold. They stopped reporting straight up sales after FF16.
>>729503269>>729503287Oof. Bad timing.
>>729499716I'm still not buying FF7R.
>>729503183It was almost double what I was getting paid before, so I was fine with the offer they made. The alternative was things getting worse because I was the only one who knew the job well enough to fix it(I pushed to have at least another person or two hired I could train that they could have ended up replacing me with in this case, but "we just don't have it in the budget for another hire there.").
>>729503269Common turnBASED W
>>729503269well i stand corrected, they started disclosing sales again, good. We'll know soon enough how much rebirth and xvi sold
>>729499716>OMG IT'S A THREE BILLION RESTRUCTURING>it's yen>not even $20mil
Why are you niggers so obsessed with sales? What does it matter to you?
>>729503324Was it a big company or one of those smaller ones?If it was bigger I probably wouöd have squeezed them for all they were worth. It's not like they offer job security when the next manager comes in and starts the same shit over again.
>>729503356This thread is about AI, not sales.Salesfags are just Rebirthers on cope.
>>729503451Smaller, we really operate in like 2-3 cities at the moment. The lawsuits honestly probably wiped out a year or two of profits alone.Honestly after this nonsense, upper management is really skittish about giving AI access to our systems anymore, but the bumped up paycheck gives me an arguing edge for the next job I get, so if they try this shit again then they'll really need to start opening their checkbooks if they want me to fix it again because I decided I'd stop arguing to train anyone else in my job. They want to replace me they'd better get ready to train someone from scratch themselves.
>>729499716>AI has come to save FFRetard, they've been using AI for years now.
>>729503727>they've been using AI for years now.Pack it up boys. FF can't be saved after all.
>>729501502>>729501649>>729501918You spend 16 hours a day reposting the exact same copespam in every SE thread. Why?
>>729500049So, Final Fantasy
>>729502982Action based FF vs Turnbased FF. The people do not want Action based FF.
>>729503727Stop trying to twist what AI slop is into something else.
>>729503356the schizos think if they shitpost and spam /v/ enough, square will stop making Final Fantasy games. Little do they know that FF will still be getting games long after their death.
>>729501502Don't worry, XII and XIIIs are all trash too.
>>729501649>>729503860If you're so certain of that why dedicate your life to defending them from bullies online?
>>729503796Rebirth is supposedly their best game ever and even Metaphor tripled it's player count.
>>729503796I honestly wouldn't mind if they didn't just suck at it. They totally blew it with 15. Somehow, KH a game that came out a decade before it, completely shits on it.Go back to turn-based. You fags have absolutely no talent for action. Bamham is more fun than 15 and 16.
>They think its action based vs turn based that's tanking Final FantasyThey should be making both.It doesn't matter if you have a good battle system, if its attached to complete utter nonsense like FFVII Remake.
>>729503078>how does in-person work result in cost savings?the goal is to get people to resign so the company doesnt have to pay severance package. Then the position will be filled by AI
>>729499716They should just sell the company to arabs or chinks.
>>729504065It should be dissolved and split into multiple independent developers.
>>729503834>Stop trying to twist what AI is, even though that is AI it doesn't mean the same to me because that certain Ai isn't replacing concept artists, it's replacing motion cap and lip sync artists, so I'm not affected, therefore it doesn't matter.Yeah we know, which is why no one gives a shit what you anti-ai retards say. You're like those Journos from years ago who told coalminers to learn to code, then lost their jobs to ai chatbots. Learn to dig a hole little buddy.
>>729503934You're a special kind of retard if you believe that. Then again you are brown.
>>729503269All the classic ff games have strong legs and continue to generate revenue. Wonder what the all have in common.
>>729504108>learn to codeWhere did that end up? Oh yeah, replaced by AI.
>>729501502>i like taking pozz loads
>>729503078there is a lot of money tied up in commercial real estate, and a lot of that money is owned by the rich and powerful. property taxes are also a huge revenue source for cities so the people in charge really don't want companies to stop renting office spaceeveryone who is agitating for a general return to in-person work is either one of the rich and powerful or a useful idiot puppeteered by said people
>>729504151My bad it was only double. I mistook 16 for Rebirth in his screenshot.
>>729504309...and double the sales too.
>>729504309>>729504386Metaphor was mediocre and being turn based carried it.
>>729504160Exactly, anti-ai retards are just as bad as those journos who thought their jobs secure and looked down on miners, then got replaced by ai. I couldn't be happier, fuck 'em.
>>729504425Bait or not, you're right.
>sells as much as Rebirth at half the budget
>>729499716Slop company uses slop tool to generate slop? I am in awe.
>>729501605japan actually plays games white sissy
>>729504674The only thing Japan plays is gacha.
Using AI is like tardwrangling Jeets. Whoever does the prompts will feel more exhausted than doing that shit himself from scratch.
>>729503934>day one denuvo vs year late port with no denuvogonna be really funny seeing Rebirth in the silver tier while metaflop is stuck in bronze forever.
Rebirth was outsourced to half a million jeets. Haven't you seen the credits? SE using AI is the least surprising news ever. They are already the kings of slop.
>>729504775And even funnier when FF7R3 doesn't make it to to a tier at all.
>>729504775>their mmo can't even make it to gold tier of revenue listKek it's so over for SE. No wonder they're firing everyone for AI.
>AIstands for Actually Indians
>>729504902There is a platinum tier above that too. Dawntrail was a massive failure.
>>729504863no fucking wonder it sucked>>729505023where do you see these tiers?how do they work?
>>729504902>>their mmo can't even make it to gold tier of revenue listit has its own launcher and is in the same tier as cod slop. way better than metaflop too just like Rebirth will be.
>>729499716>increased expectation for in-work officeHOW IS THIS SAVING MONEY? HOW?FUCKING BOOMERS AND THEIR WORTHLESS FUCKING OFFICE ASSETSRAZE THAT SHIT DOWN AND BUILD GOVERNMENT HOMES THERE
>>729504863>AAA budget>Pajeet assetsGarbage like this doesn't even deserve the AAA badge.
>>729505153It's saving money for the people who own those offices.
>>729505059https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2024Metaphor even made it to top 100 despite releasing in October. Modern FF could never pull that off.
>>729505153I have never understood the desire to get workers back from WFH. As far as I can tell productivity fell 0% during Covid for most software businesses when everyone was at home. Happier workers, more space saved, less corporate spending on chairs and pencils and other inventory... and they want them to return TO the office?The entire concept feels like one of those "back in my day"-boomer moments that make no sense objectively.
>>729500824Focus C...FOCUS!
>>729505247oh kek, no wonder, ff is shite now
>>729505251>The entire concept feels like one of those "back in my day"-boomer moments that make no sense objectively.Nah its something more sinister, its all back room dealings. Some shit head is buddies with some guy in real estate or owns a lot of stocks in said company, and its in his interest to keep renting office space.
>>729499797AI will unironically improve the quality of every game. It will allow a small team of devs to make a whole huge game, so all those extra fluff retards and DEI hires can stop getting in the way.It will also massively increase the competition where little AA devs can make games like FF16 regularly
>>729500431>"Square Enix (a singular entity) are ran (plural passive verbal phrase) by total retards" is the correct way to convey that idea.Can't tell if ESL or just a genuine retard.
>>729505369Yeah but in EVERY company? I have multiple friends who work in programming and pretty much all of them are back at the office (against their will) and might get ONE day a week if they're very lucky to WFH. And these people all work for different companies too, not FAGMAN either, smaller medium-size shit.
>>729505447>are ranRetardbro, it's is/are RUN.
>>729505247What tier did FF16 finish in? It was the same release year as Metaphor. Rebirth and XVI have a similar number of Steam sales so it's a safe comparison.
>>729505421Man not even awards can save Rebirth from flopping...
>>729505515it's is runned, retard
>>729499716they went too broke going woke
>>729505421>Sony only>Japan onlymight as well not bother at that point
>>729500104The same at every company.They've stopped pretending that CEOs are anything but nepo babies that are part of an old boy's club. Doesn't matter how badly they fuck up, they will never face any kind of comeuppance.Mark Zuckerberg lost $73 billion on his retarded Metaverse project but it doesn't matter.
>>729499716yeess this is very good for future, sirs
>>729499716damn, i was hoping to pull through past their slump but i guess theyre just going to accept their defeat. fucking shame
>>729505419good morning sir
>>729505515The only retard here is you mate. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ran#English>(nonstandard, colloquial) past participle of run >1731, Philippus van Limborch, translated by Samuel Chandler, The History of the Inquisition[1],>volume 1, page 231:>[…] rather to convince the Underſtanding, than to be eaſily capable of being anſwered ; excuſing your ſelf that you have ran into an Error, ſo foreign as you have declared from your >Intention, […]>1837, William Keary, Romanism exposed; or, Strictures on two lectures […] [2], Goddard and Brown, page 6:>" Heretics and schismatics, because they rebel against her, and only belong to the church, as deserters to an army from which they have ran away ; […]>2012 March 5, Helen Summer, Running Crazy[3], John Blake Publishing, ISBN, page 209:>I’ve ran this event many times but in the year 2000, when we were running over the Bodmin>Moor part of the course, it lashed down with large, freezing-cold hailstones.Protip: greentexting your implication means I'm mocking your stupid suggestion.
>>729505686Is anything of value really lost though? The last good FF game was on the PS2, and they'll probably never reach the heights of "good" again.Fuck, at time of writing they're struggling to reach up to "mediocre" and AI won't make that process any easier.
>>729505545I scrolled the whole list and didn't see it. I have LGBTQ filtered though and don't fill like fucking with my settings to see the hidden games.
>>729502102Don't make me send you, Iwata. Go back to being dead.
>>729505760feel*
>>729505515>>729505717Also>Inb4 it's nonstandard/colloquialThe word "ran" as been used as a past participle since at least the 1800s and it's well understood that you mean to use it as a past participle by very very simple context. No one cares about hyper-precise English grammar so long as the meaning isn't botched or otherwise merc'd in the process.
>>729503834>AI then good>AI now badlol it really is like this
>>729499716Perhaps they should try making a good video game instead of having their 287th restructuring.
>>729503796This isn't fair since most FF fags would have got a PS for it. It came out late on PC. It also had denuvo and the demo sucked ass and it was a shit game.People still want a good action FF, or any good FF, we just didn't get that.
>>729505717>>729505827Wow, your concession is two whole posts, but I still accept it. Yes>it's nonstandard/colloquialFuck off with your 'what's 2+2 and don't give me 4' bullshit.>No one caress about hyper-precise English grammarRetards like you sure don't, and you have to gall to call others ESL.
>>729505545DNF. It even had a 1 month head start on Metaphor.
>>729505689I'm right. Calling me indian isn't an argumentThe entire anti-AI position hinges on the notion that all AI art looks equally visibly worse than normal art, which is demonstrably false (considering that when it's good you can't even tell). A bad artist will think bad / generic AI slop is good enough, a good artist will keep genning and mixing it with his own art until it looks perfect.It's better that large amounts of the content are efficiently made coming from the mind of one visionary individual than by multiple different individuals slowly (of differing skill levels and with slightly different visions)
>>729505974>People still want a good action FFWe already have Kingdom Hearts.
>>729505958That is asking a LOT from modern Square Enix Anon...
>>729506107KH sucks ass now too, 3 was cringe
>>7295062983 broke records and introduced a whole new generation to the series. 4 is going to buck-break this board.Final Fantasy practically needs not exist though.
>>729506501oh hey barry
>>729506526Who?
>>729503796the man is an irredeemable westaboo. His first instinct to salvaging XIV was "lol just copy WoW" and still gets buttmad at the mention of jrpgs because he cares too much about the white man's opinion
>>729506501You didn't even say you liked 3, you just said it "broke records"It's depressing how many people unironically speak like press releases for shareholders now. If KH3 really was good, you'd say so, you wouldn't talk about it being a Vital Asset In The SE Portfolio.
>>729506616Games out of Square Enix don't really have many "fans". Most people, like him, you encountered are usually just Indian companies paid a small sum to defend [CORPORATION] online. And since they don't actually like or know anything about the games they're defending, they just read from the script.You see it from practically every AAA company but SE's Indian army is way easier to identify.
KEEEEEEEK
Anons don't want to admit the problem isn't it being turn based or action based, the problem is that they don't want to make a rpg, they want to make some streamlined garbage for casualsWere they add a robust system with complexity and customization, not matter what they make, it would be good. But they are scared of doing it, because they treat every player like a braindead child.Bring back classes customization, a diverse skill/magic system, add tons of them. Innovate it somehow like hybrid classes. Make a combat system where it rewards the player for partaking into it rather than just go in there and spam 1 button.
>>729500824Rebirth has pretty good gameplay.
>>729506984I've played actual gacha with better gameplay than this Jesus where are your standards?
>>729504863Why is Microsoft the only company allowed to hire pajeets?The windows OS you've been using for 25 years is a pajeet software, the beloved Xbox consoles are a pajeet product.Stop complaining.
>>729499716I would have thought XVI was already made entirely by AI given how soulless and derivative that shit was.
>>729507116Have you taken your medication today Anon? No one likes Microsoft.No one likes Square Enix either, but Microsoft isn't exactly beloved on this board.
>>729507164Truly a match made in hell.
>>729507194>3 men ruining 2 corporations in 1 image
>>729499716who is Al Amid? some oil baron? maybe he could fix it up like the guy who bought that one fighting franchise
>>729507164>the windows xp nostalgia>the windows 7 and 10 love and refusal to upgrade>nostalgic xbox and xbox 360 threads>>No one likes Microsoft.Sure
>>729504568Isn't that significantly less than Persona does nowadays? Weird that people are still that averse from new IPs even when they're essentially a sequel. From Software seems to be the only studio immune to that.
>>729507267Not THAT immune... Fromfatigue is starting to slowly set in.
Games will be judged by how good they are, not by how they're made.
>>729505251>As far as I can tell productivity fell 0% during CovidNot what I saw lead game developers saying. Of course the entry level people disagreed, but the actual tard wranglers, including game directors, mostly said it took a massive hit.
>>729507258So that's a big "no" on the medication then?
>>729507065Which one? Rebirth has Square-Enix's best combat system since KH II. Title previously belonging to FFXIII or X-2.
>>729507336where'd you get that from?nta i'm just curious
How the fuck is anyone still buying JeetEnix titles lmao
>>729507326Not in sales, which is what matters most at the end of the day. Quality was already on a sharp decline since Dark Souls III.
>>729507429Different interviews and streams and stuff like that over the years. One example would be Hugo Martin, director of Doom 16, Eternal, Dark Ages saying this while actively working from home. They shipped a game and two fairly content rich DLCs during it, so they can't be an exceptionally bad example of working from home, and he said that online meetings are absolute trash for creative work and doesn't come close to people sitting in a room with a white board to draw on.
>>729507443Oh totally, but I speculate we'll start to see sales too start turning around eventually. You have to remember that SE has had multiple decades to run their franchises into the ground. From still has a lot of their grace period left.
>>729507502That is true, actually. And part of the reason why I don't think a combat system switch will make that much of a difference. Maybe for the first title that does it for the novelty, but when the more normalfag oriented part of the audience that buys into the hype and finds that it's still an anime game at heart and still full of the usual AAA trappings, they'll quickly bail.If FFVII Remake was turn based people wouldn't shift to discussing the battle system at length, time jannies would still be the main point of discussion.
>>729499716>SE is currently being blasted by their entire fanbase >they also just got shit on by one of their major shareholders>so they decide to start pushing AI, something a majority of people are finding issues with, in part due to recent PC part price hikesI can not comprehend this company.
>>729507596Time jannies is always going to be a (put as nicely as humanly possible) controversial decision. But that, plus the flanderized characters, plus the questionable combat system, plus splitting it into three games, plus most of the new content feeling more like padding than expanding it's not really hard to see why people didn't exactly line up for Rebirth.And I still argue that the combat is one of the least worrying issues of FF7R's plethora of problems.
>>729499716What? I've been under the impression they've been using AI last seven years. No human would be able to come up with something as fucking stupid as the FF XIV job changes since Shadowbringers.
>>729507713what would you say is your biggest issue with the remake project?
>>729505974>This isn't fair>It's action based>It came out later on PC >It was stuck on PS5 for over a yearSo fuck? The exact same thing happened for Stellar Blade, it was action based, stuck on PS5 for over a year and yet it released on Steam on PC with 190k concurrent players whereas FF16 only managed 27k and to this day Stellar Blade gets around 7k average daily concurrent players yet FF16 is down to 1-2k. Both action games, both went through the exact same release pattern and yet FF16 didn't resonate with people. Expedition 33 also is hitting concurrent player bases to this day that are higher than FF16s highest player count on Steam.
>>729507617theyre just trying to stop the hemorrhaging
>>729507713Right, but that's the point. People focus on the turn based thing because of YoshiP's retarded remarks, but that's not a company directive or anything. Any director at S-E that wants to do turn based is free to try. At least from the way they talk about it. All the way back to Tabata talking about FFXV he already said that he could have if he wanted, there was no push from above to make it hip with the kids or anything.All of the other stuff people hate about modern S-E wouldn't disappear if they were forced to make it turn based, people are basically writing fanfiction. It's the turn-based version of "FF Versus XIII would have been the greatest game of all time if they didn't steal it from Nomura."You now have your fantasy epic action RPG structured as a trilogy with the first game being a linear action packed escape from a city, the second being open field exploration with your party and the third being the conclusion of the story, with charismatic characters people love and realistic graphics, directed by Nomura, and nobody buys or likes it.
>>729507849...by drinking blood thinners?
>>729507918When you have to report to investors regularly, doing something retarded and making it sound smart is better than doing nothing while you wait and see. At least when it comes to saving your own neck.
>>729507918firing a big chunk of staff is an instant boost your low financials + the promise of AI as a panacea is enough for most retard shareholders
>>729507778Hmmm, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably say the biggest overarching problem is the pacing. FF7R1 made me SO sick of Midgar that it actually left a bad taste in my mouth and FF7R2's insane focus on shit minigames and some of the most pointless padding I think I've ever experienced in a video game really drags the entire experience down.>>729507892No you don't. You have 1 game cut into 3, padded with the most blatantly retarded filler imaginable, characters that talk a lot more but practically don't say anything new or relevant 99% of the time and a story that sounds like it was made by Marvel. It's a gray ooze of generic nothingness that is so bland even the most basic normalfag refuses to touch it.
>>729499716Bold of them to do that even though Japan lags behind China and US in term of AI race war
>>729507970>>729507979You assume they weren't bloated before. Japanese companies tend to be just that.Sure the promise of AI is just investor bait horseshit but maybe it's actually helpful this time
Rebirth is subhuman garbage that bombed and got raped by metaphor and e33 at goty
>>729508423no one is arguing against that
Square Enix can "lean into" bankruptcy for all I care. I'm at the point where I actually can't remember the last time I enjoyed one of their post ps2 games.
>>729499797Don't underestimate Squeenix's ability to fuck up
>>729508179And people were expecting a masterpiece of storytelling from the team that brought you Kingdom Hearts because...? Marvel movies are indeed trash but compared to the stories Nomura was releasing at the time he announced Versus it's actually a step up.If anything the Remake games are also a considerable step up in writing, the dialogue may not say anything new but it's well written and acted, the characterization is great.
>>729508423>FF woke!>E33 being half niggers and mostly made by pajeet assets and gooks doesn't count
>>729508786no people were expecting a retelling of the story that was nostalgic to themwhen Remake showed that wasn't going to happen, people stopped buying (see Rebirth)what Retard does now is essentially irrelevant as so many people wrote this series off with Rebirth it might as well not even bother coming out
>>729507778Just out of curiosity, what answer could we give that you wouldn't reply with "that's good actually"?
>>729499716>in-office workI don’t care what the salary is. How can one waste half their life in some cubicle and not be miserable?
>>729508937well >>729508179 gave a clear reply and i didn't find any fault with it so i didn't say anything
>>729508936I mean Versus XIII. You're saying the Remake series isn't delivering on the promises made for Versus because of story, but a butchered FFVII story is still much better than anything KH could ever hope to achieve.
>>729509025no i'm saying the remake series isn't delivering on the first game's fucking subtitle and when normalfags realized that the series might as well stop existingare you an ai or something?
>>729499716>this is what they meant by taking inspiration from E33BASED
>>729509153The irony is Remake promised things would change and then Rebirth pretty much didn't which means we're left with something unsatisfying for both the people who wanted change and the for people who didn't. Just a weird middle ground with no conviction or identity of its own.
>>729507827Stellar Blade wasn't bad so are you retarded? You're proving my point, people DO want ARPGs as seen with that and many other games.
>>729509153The team that brought you Kingdom Hearts isn't the FFVII Remake team, so you may not be the brightest.
>>729504674
>>729501502>one of Japan'sSo it's as fake as a FIFA peace award.
>>729509316that shit's slop too, but at least it had nostalgia bait and it's almost entertaining to see how retarded they can make it with donald duck killing final fantasy's anime-autisticskingdom hearts is inherently a retarded franchise, which is what people like, final fantasy has become a retarded franchise, which what people hate
>>729501667>the game was well-written and the quests were interesting. The gameplay, while fun and engaging, wasn't the main selling point.So...just like Final Fantasy, then.
>>729509489>kingdom hearts is inherently a retarded franchise, which is what people like, final fantasy has become a retarded franchise, which what people hateNTA, but I kinda agree with this. Kingdom Hearts wears it's retardation on its sleeve and rides the short buss with pride. Final Fantasy didn't have this problem a few decades ago.
>>729500104Japanese are bad at business and its only inertia and functional slavery that keeps them going.
>>729509601>Final Fantasy didn't have this problem a few decades agoYeah, that FF8 story. Just a masterpiece that made all kinds of sense.
>>729509573>Final Fantasy>well-written
>>729499716AI would probably do a better job than Yoshit Piss if we're being honest
>>729499716I'm hearing from my game dev buddy that currently in the industry claude caude or codex is doing most of the programming now. Mostly because they hired so many women and incompetent people that good programmers who have to carry can do so much more better with a claude code on their side. My thing is if the women and etc are so bad why not just replace them completely with AI instead of them sitting around collecting a check while some white guy using AI does his own work and their work for them???
>>729509629What. FF8's story isn't retarded. It's convoluted, half-finished and a little unsure what exactly it wants to convey but it's not retarded. And most of that can be blamed on questionable editing not the actual story. No what breaks FF8 is the loading times on the PS1 mixed with the Junction system no one understood on release that, once understood, made the actual gameplay completely pointless.
>>729509798>made the actual gameplay completely pointlesswdym?
>>729504157>All the classic ff games have strong legs and continue to generate revenue. Wonder7 is a classic too, retard.
AntiAIbros... How are we coping?Even Zun is using AI.
>>729503575Every /v/ thread is about two things, sales and trannies, and we're all outta trannies.
>>729503972>gameplay doesn't matterPost hand
>>729509863Nta but understanding and using the junction system properly essentially puts you into super easy mode for 95% of the game
>>729499716You guys said you wanted less AAA games, made by less people, and with shorter dev times. Well the monkey paw is here to grant your wish.
>>729509863>passing the SeeD exam takes an hour at the start of the game if you skip every non-boss encounter (and you should)>max your SeeD rank the second you're done with the exam>walk around for 10 minutes to get a free gajillion gill without fighting a thing>buy 100 Tents, convert into Curagas, junction to HP>9999 HP on every character while enemies do 13 damage per hitYou may now waltz to the end boss and beat her at level 7.
>>729506616>this game sucked ass>here is proof the game didn't suck ass>y-yeah but you personally don't like itWhat are you even arguing at this point
>>729510378When you're going off a script, the actual arguing is just repeating points over and over again, hoping the opposition gets bored of you.
>>729506879>streamlined garbage for casualsme: *quietly looks over at old FF games which were always made to be exactly that*
>>729510378Are you saying we should ignore one anothers opinions and just exchange sales data as "proof" of how good or bad games are?This is a valuable insight into the unironic bot thinking of the salesposter. Thank you.
>>729510060And that's a good thing.An AI trained to replicate Final Fantasy could not possibly produce the absolute pile of shit that was XVI.
I miss the "there is no legitimate argument against FF7 Remake" shitposting, things are so bad now that people won't even ironically defend SE.
>>729506026I didn't concede shit. I just think you are a pedantic faggot for even starting this entire tangent in the first place. You understood what the other anon said and it's not even grammatically incorrect in any real way. You're just a faggoty grammar Nazi over the most minute bullshit even most English professors, writers and philologists wouldn't bat an eye to. Fuck off.
>ubisoft dies>square is speeding towards the same ditch at an alarming rateAlright /v/ who's organizing the funeral service?
>>729510469No no. You see, when I played FF7 when I was 4 years old, it was actually very difficult and advanced.
>>729510637Only one man can be responsible...
>>729510469>>729510662Nigga, until FFXV, the Final Fantasy games were extremely feature rich in terms of mechanics . Even the disaster that was FFXIII and its sequels had a lot of complexity to its combat (no its level design). Goo bait has to be rooted in reality, not the delusions of a retarded shitposter.
more games not to play
>>729510521XVI is a pretty good game when you realize it had half the budget of FF15 and was somehow way better.
>>729510506The opinions in question: TRANNIES TRANNIES TRANNIES AI BAD WEST BAD JAPAN BAD GACHA GOODI'm not putting in effort to argue seriously with /v/, you people are low IQ troglodytes.
>>729510556Ikr? Remember pic related? That made the rounds with slightly different resolutions and random pixels for a while before Rebirth launched.
>>729510556Some people still try that argument even if they don't say those words. There's a lot fewer of them now. They seem to have switched to Rebirth being flawless and can now admit Remake had plenty of problems after all. I guess they're only paid to protect the latest and most valuable product.
>>729510718I for one agree. Spamming the latest and most damaging spell or just the attack command since it's better than everything else, is peak complexity.
>>729510718Y'all've gone from "ff is casual trash for normalfags" to "actually you see ff was always quite complex until one of their games I didn't like came out and suddenly changed my argument" over the years.
>>729510751>Um this regular cow shit is better than a wagyu cow's shit because it cost less to produceAlright man
>>729509316actually they are the same. They are called Creative Business Unit 1-2-3 and Creative Business Division 1-2-3, I think there are 11 divisions but not all work directly with the game and more on the marketing side and stuff like that, but they are all the same people getting shuffled around. When a game is finished they move to the other depending of what's needed at the time. But the people working on Remake and Rebirth are mostly the same as Kingdom Hearts 3's, that's why they use Unreal Engine and why KH4 is nowhere to be seen. There were people from KH that worked on FF16 too.FF7 Remake was made by Division 1 but as development there was finished they were moved to Unit 1 for Rebirth. When FF7R Part 3 is finished or closed to the end they the majority of the force will be moved to whatever Creative Business is focusing on KH4. Nomura himself was working on FF7R Part 1 for the most part but for Rebirth and Part 3 his role is reduced and more control was given to Hamaguchi and Nojima, so he can focus on KH4.So yeah, no KH4 news till FF7R Part 3 is finished or close to be finished. It'll probably be released before 2030 but after 2027 (FF7R Part 3 year of release). So a 2028-2029 release window is what's expected for KH4.
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>>729510821It just sounds like (You) never played a Final Fantasy game past the first one.>>7295108561) /v/ doesn't play video games, so their opinions on video games (outside of objective faults like bugs, propaganda and just general shoddiness of the game) don't matter. 2) Of all the gamers on /v/ that actually play well, most of them are shit at vidya.3) /v/ isn't one person. There you go. Your Gordian knot of a question is untangled.
>>729510961You can try to make fun of 7R fans all you want, but their genuine autism will always be far more embarrassing. It's like trying to parody Sonic or Pokemon fans. They will always be ten steps ahead of you no matter what you think to mock them with.
>>729511045Sounds to me like you haven't played any of the old games in 20 years. That is exactly how they work. Nothing wrong with that either. Just how it is.You wanting them to be some 300iq only super complex nonsense, doesn't make it real.
>>729511231Nta but FF8 super filtered people with its complex gameplay systems and nonsensical plot. The systems are described to the player in detail right at the beginning and the plot is pretty much mostly explained by the end? Doesn't matter, gotta seethe!
>>729499797fpbp
>>729511337Nonsense ≠ complex
>>729511430It wasn't nonsense. Retards thought it was nonsense because it was too complex for them.
>>729511231I never said they were 4X games levels of complex. I'm saying it's rather disingenuous to say they're simple as shit when they each have unique takes on combat that add a decent amount of depth like FFVII's materia system, FFXIII's functioning/GF system, FFX's non-consecutive turn system and FFXII's Gambit system. They aren't reinventing the wheel, but the last FF game with simple mindless button pressing was on the NES or SNES. To say the games made for the PSX and systems after that were mindlessly simple is actual bullshit (until you get to FFXV and FXVI, then it's pretty accurate).
>>729500104They'll never financially recover from Crystal Tools.
>>729511231>>729511540I also forgot about FFIX's job system too and FFX-2's dresssphere system. Again, not really mindlessly simple.
>>729510856Well FF games are all different, so the arguments change. FF3 and 5 were complex because of job systems, FF4 and 6 were more streamlined for story. FF7 added a bit of complexity with the Materia system, then more complexity with FF8's junction system (that was ultimately broken) but went back to being streamlined with FF9.FF10 allowed you to swap members during combat to focus on enemy weaknesses. FF12 allowed you to set parameters, so the game plays itself. FF13 came up with the Paradigm stuff, so you can focus on controlling 1 character directly but can shift parameters (that you can set before a fight) on the fly for party member you aren't controlling directly.FF15's was action oriented but it had the right idea with the team attacks but the execution wasn't the best. FF16 is the game when they went full brainless action and spectacle, no skill required, no strategy, no nothing. Just mash those buttons and spam the skills till everything is dead and buried.Then comes FF7R's'combat. The absolute best combat ever made. The most perfect blend of action, strategy and tactics that has ever blessed an action Rpg. A masterpiece.
>>729499716Yep, Nintendo will grab their IPs haha
>>729511337>there is no valid criticism of FF8Well at least we know you'll still be mad about 7R being criticized in... what, three decades from now?Maybe it would be better for your mental health to accept others sometimes dislike the things you like and you don't have to call everyone else "filtered" for failing to see the secret genius of everything you were - ahem - "smart enough" to enjoy.
>>729511430IIRC the only part that's nonsense is Ellone's powers since she isn't a witch and doesn't use a GF.
>>729511540>>729511608They might have a lot of menus but that doesn't make them complex since at the end of the day, they all play rather simply. You could argue a gacha is complex because of all the notifications and menus but they're just autobattler garbage and gambling.
>>729500325>likes XVI with braindead combat and no RPG elements>doesn't like the 7 Remakes which actually have a meaningful RPG combat systemopinion discarded
>>729511762Yeah, no. The argument encompassed FF as a whole and it was always accurate, FF was meant from the beginning to be a streamlined and casualized experience (FF2 notwithstanding) to appeal to as many people as possible, which it did. There's nothing wrong with liking something that happens to be popular, I myself liked the PS1 games abd 10, but that doesn't mean they were complex at all. It just means they were engaging and fun in their own right which is all a video game needs to be.
>>729502307Look how far along this thread is. Completely retarded browns have infested this site.
>>729510751Because XVI was barely even a video game. XV tried to be a big video game and failed, whereas XVI barely even tried at all.
>>729511948This better be bait because this is the most pathetic cope I've ever seen.>The examples you've shown me don't count because ... uh... uh...BECAUSE I SAY THEY DON'T.
>>729511864Don't know why you made up this whole backstory for me in your head, I'm firmly in the "time jannies would have made more sense in an 8 remake" camp.
>>729500201Fucking amazing it took a single shitty self-insert woke shit mary sue to bring it all down.
>>729510556Well the game is 5 years old, do you want them to keep it up forever?>>729510782Remake is a fantastic game though. I just got all the achievements yesterday. Beat it twice and loved it. Would play it more but already maxed out all the Materia I wanted and feel like I done everything I wanted. I have yet to beat the Yuffie Dlc, will probably start it later on today and try to finish it before the end of the year because I heard you have to finish it to get the Weiss fight in the VR.Overall Rebirth is just a much better game than Remake. The combat especially it was improved immensely and cannot wait for part 3 because I assume for the final game there'll be no restrictions to the Materia we can get. It's gonna be so good.
>>729512118You literally described your own argument. It's funny how the left's accusations are just them telling on themselves.
>>729501165FF7 Remake is still ATB based, it's just presented differently. I don't know why this is so hard for you retards to understand.
>>729512118>It's complex, because it just is, OK?
>>729499716Japanese Ubisoft.
>>729512187I'm hoping there will be a part 4 which will just be Dirge and Advent Children together or just an expanded AC as a game.
>>729499716A-AIbros? What is this? You said they'd only use AI to replace gaijin diversity hires
>>729512256This. Just sell your IPs to Nintendo already lol.
>>729512368He's only firing SEApes and Koreans who happen to live in the country. Trust the plan.
>>729511608>FFIX's job systemWhat job system? The fuck you talking about?
>>729512190>>729512238I gave my arguments here. >>729511540>>729511608Your responses so far have been literal projection and gaslighting. There's Japanese RPGs that are simpler than Final Fantasy like Dragon Quest and Pokemon which literally are about pressing buttons to go through menus and have no sense of party management outside of healing and treating status conditions. The only FF games that are that simple are the NES ones and and the ones made after FFXIII. You have yet to actually show why these systems aren't in fact complex.
>>729512224The irony is that fundamentally, it's not really that different from E33 in that it's dodge/parry based with menu based commands. /v/ has a lot of stupid fucks using it these days.
>>729512421I'm misremembering. I'm confusing XII with IX for some reason.
>>729512428Having basic RPG mechanics outside "press attack" does not make something complex. Children that can't even read the text figured out how to play and beat this game.
>>729512428>There's Japanese RPGs that are simpler than Final FantasyYou've resorted to whataboutism, completely skirting the point in favor of appealing to emotion.
>>729512421>>729511608Or maybe did you mean FFXI?Because it's been many years since the last time I played FF9 but there was no job system there. In fact there was no systems at all. You could only learn certain abilities by wearing certain equipment for a while but that was it. It was a streamlined and 100% traditional run of the mill Jrpg.
>>729506984Looks like some crackheaded nonsense.
Last FF I played was 12.I liked it, but at that point is not an FF.An FF without the original NES and SNES team is just not an FF.
>>729500824There is no alibi for how bad this is.
>>729500824For any of you seething, this one moment is not the entire game.
>>729500824>Objective: Stop Sephiroth
>>729512553Again, you're full of shit because the 5th-7th generation FF games outside of 9 don't do that. They each have their own unique game mechanics that add depth to the combat that isn't simple menu navigation. You still haven't shown why any of the above systems aren't complex and frankly I think you're a shitposting idiot that hasn't actually played the games.>Children that can't even read the text figured out how to play and beat this game.And? I've beaten Might and Magic 7 and Fallout as a child. That doesn't mean they aren't complex games with very thought out mechanics. >>729512571That's not whataboutism. I'm providing examples of games that actually are just about pressing menu buttons to attack. You're just trying to avoid answering the question in a meaningful way.>>729512664Yeah, that's it.
>>729500824It's very funny that this game has its own Barry whose entire life is dedicated to defending this and replying to everyone who is mean about it and keeps insisting this is the greatest videogame of all time
>>729500860it's definitely designed to make use of the meme triggers on the dualsense, where you can feel the tension in them. which is dumb because people aren't going to experience that scene the same way on xbox/pc/switch 2.
>>729512883They're not seething, you are. You're angry that people think that's bad, and you're not okay with anyone disliking anything about these games even if you know it's not good yourself. You can't say "yeah that bit was bad" and accept others saying so. Any negativity of any kind must be stamped out.You are Barry and 7R is your XV.
>>729499716I ain't buying your slop. Hope the developers move away and start a new company.
>>729499716The irony is I bet localizers and translators will keep their jobs.
>>729500824This makes Heavy Rain look like mocap.
>>729509290You can't read. You're so stupid, that you don't read the post chain and then insert whatever brain worm you have in your head into the conversation and think that's what I said. Double digit IQ detected.
can they let that drunk retard Yoko Taro make one last real game before they completely crash and burn, at least
>>729512917>whataboutism isn't whataboutismFF defenders are out in full force today.
>>729513658Let the man retire already.
>>729513552>getting mad because he couldn't read>projects
>>729513737not until I see the Kingdom of Night fully realized and with the lowest framerate possible
>>729505642There's a word for that, in English, you know?It's called "corruption."
>>729513750Just read the post chain nigga, why is it so hard for you? You got mad at yourself because you refused to read the chain. Lurk more you stupid fucking third Worlder.
>>729511762Final Fantasy was never meant for mechanics or customization or depth shit. What keeps the players engaged should be the STORY.
>2026 will be the year in which we maximize the value of the FFVII franchise and further strengthen our multi-platform development. >As we move towards the culmination of the Remake series, we will devote all our efforts to delivering the title to more players and ensuring it remains beloved for a long time. We will continue to take on new challenges, striving to allow players to enjoy the world of FFVII in a broader and deeper way. We hope you will look forward to it.
>>729513658They can at least port Nier:Reincarnation to something other than fucking mobile phones and remaster Drakengard 3 for PCs.>>729514074>We actually get the Drakengard 3 remaster for PC and consoles>It shifts between 1000 FPS and 1 FPS randomly after every polling input and the screen has more bloom than a field of flowers
You mean to tell me that AI isn't already responsible for all these gay and nigger npcs?
>>729514743Wokeness destroys everything it touches. Communist does not work.
>>729499716So they should ask AI to mimic Hironobu Sakaguchi mind.
>>729514743There's got to be some way to hold people accountable for this crap.
>>729514743Lol wtf
>>729514917You will only get that when you do one of two things (or both)- shame every low iq retarded mongul who is consumed by consumerism spending money constantly on this shit without thought. Cause that is what is happening, all entertainment is targeting the lowest of the low of retards who just so happen to have money to spend.- Go and destroy the company with your own hands and threaten all devs going forward Only the first option is feasible. We're too modern for the second option, despite multiple civilizations in the past having no problem outing bad actors.
>>729499716Based, about time we are seeing more people go into AI
>>729514997They paid SweetBaby for these ideas then paid jeets to bring them to life. Quality control wasn't in the budget.
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>>729505251there are a handful of moments where I do think in person is better than work from home like group meetingsbut yes it is mostly a retarded corporate power move asshurt the wagies aren't enslaved to their cameras the entire day
>>729514997that npc was a white scientist but the human to nigger ratio was off
>>729512113Yeah this is fucking grim. An entire thread talking about something that isn't happening.
>>729499797FPBPConsidering what they shit out nowadays, AI likely is smarter and more talented than them.
>>729511762>Then comes FF7R's'combat. The absolute best combat ever made.
>>729499716inevitable replacement of their dinosaur aging talent with ai counterparts since they have not created anything good in the modern era
>>729505642>Mark Zuckerberg lost $73 billion on his retarded MetaverseWow, that's almost as much as what Concord cost.
Square going full jeet mode, huh
I don't understand this company. Is every decision they make somehow designed solely to be as wrong and incorrect as possitble?At this point I'd almost suspect the CEO of a being a plant.
>>729514917I'm sorry, for what exactly? For putting a black man npc in a video game? Like, are you kidding me? Someday you are going to realize how embarrassing it was that you let racism dictate so much of your life that you can't even see one black person without it sending you into a frothing rage and demanding heads roll.
>>729515036>all entertainment is targeting the lowest of the low of retards who just so happen to have money to spend.Wow, so........nothing changed!
>>729518437What changed is that it use to be other audiences they targeted too.
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>>729499716>hire a jeet and stick him in management position>he fires japs and replaces them with a bunch of jeets>jap management fires a bunch of japs and replaces them with AI, jeets get to stayWhy do the Japanese have such a NTR fetish?
>>729514743>that graphical fidelity on CloudThis is one of those images that get worse the more you look at it.
>>729499716here's a billion dollars idea square, use AI to make genshin gacha clone with final fantasy characters and turn based combat. AI will enable you to compete against chinks with smaller teams. chasing premium AAA slop experience for american boomers is a waste of time and money in the current timeline.
>>729506096>>729505419Let me guess: you can't program, you can't sculpt, you can't model, you can't animate, you can't texture.Am I right?
>>729514743It looks like someone imported ff7 models into their ue tutorial project kek
>>729518545Because their lives are all about being expendable and working themselves to death, so their escapism is the two extremes of super special snowflake protag or ntr.
At this point I wouldn't pay for a SE game even if it did have the FF7 characters glue over.
>>729518791I can't draw and ai is the best thing to have happened to porn of unpopular characters.
>>729519058Your type is the bane of existence.
>>729519109He wants sexo art, and artfags are busy cloutchasing latest gacha whores.Who is he hurting?Stop talking like a jealous roastie.
>>729499797Final Jeetisy, which will become the last form of this franchise, will be entirely about trying to survive Mumbai while having the runs
>>729519109We can't be held accountable for your brown skin.
oh the look the daily sqiare enix derangement syndrome thread
>>729519237He's actually hurting the internet. It's one thing if these coomers kept their art to themselves. But instead, they cannot help but flood every gallery on the internet with this mess to the point they've had to make AI toggles to remove them all for people who don't want to see them. Ai art is atrocious, spammy, and sad to see. Again, it's the fact you coomers cant help yourselves.
>>729519335Turns out if the company makes a retarded decision every day, people are going to laugh at it every day.
>>729505419>>729506096>>729519058>>729519283>AI will unironically improve the quality of every game. lol>It will allow a small team of devsYou mean a small team of Jeets.Every AI nigger who says this is omitting the quite part, which is if they want to save costs the best way to do it is outsourcing, not hoping a tool that can't beat Pokemon can magically do the job of 50-100 developers. All of this shit is just being done so they can replace their teams with Pajeet "pröööööööööööhpters" and lay off all of their senior staff. If you think this results in better games or quality then you're as brown as the pajeets they're hoping to hire.
>>729500104Boomer japanese CEO that doesn't care that the American HR department is running everything.
>>729519283>We can't be held accountable for your brown skin.BOOTY BENCHOD PAKISTANI!
>>729519237It's not a coincidence that AI is equivalent to the low iq brain of jeets who go mad over a little pussy. Anyone that uses AI so obsessively oust themselves as retarded.
>>729519528please delet this saar, my entire caste is dependent on AI to do work in the 70-80 IQ range i need this saar you are brown skin dahlit
>>7294997163 billion yen? So 1000 cups of ramen?
Can't be worse than outsourcing the NPC and environmental modeling to fucking Indians / seamonkeys. The way that midgar's NPCs clashed with the design of the main party ruined FFVII remake for me. Don't even get me started on how shitty, undercooked and empty the environments are compared to the original background renders.
>>729499716AI can't be any worse than the current state of FF so I approve as long as they don't touch DQ, Octopath, or SaGa.
>>729499716Yamauchi must be laughing really hard from his grave
>>729519638>Can't be worse than outsourcing the NPC and environmental modeling to fucking Indians / seamonkeys.That's exactly what they're doing, who do you think makes work so shit that it has to be prompted? It's not Japanese modelers and designers, it's fucking jeets every time.
>>729499797Kill yourself, old man.
>>729519410they own the best games in the industry. stayed deranged
>>729519656Nigger those are the franchises most likely to be jeet-i-fied with AI prompting: The stuff too small to put real designers in charge of improving.Chances are, FF7R and all its sequels will be fine. It's the DQ, the Octopaths, and the SaGas that are going to be fucked the hardest because they have the smallest teams and the most outsourced work.
>>729519809>they own the best games in the industry.kek, not even Squenix fans think this anymore. 8/8 b8
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>>729514743>>729515450This shit cost twice as much as FFXVI somehow.
>>729519880Square Enix makes the best games and it isn't even close.
>>729520118Jesus at least E33 had dodge mechanics.
>>729520249nta but Tired of paper mario design in random rpgs. It works for Mario. Not for random rpg #321. Dodging is a boring meme.
>>729519956Most of Redditbirth's budget went to advertising after market research showed there was no interest in it.
>>729499716oh
>>729520291It's very unfortunate that you're brown. Maybe you can try staying out of the sun to help bleach it?
>>729520249>>729520118Rebirth obviously has dodge mechanics as well. You'd know that if you had enough skill to play a real time game, Barry. Too bad the only thing you can do in real-time is fap yourself to sleep.
>>729520442Where the fuck did this "you're brown" shit come from? It's such a low effort bash of someone.
>>729519448So what happens to all the people currently working on games who aren't jeets? Do they just vanish so muh jeets can make literally everything? And the publishers are just gonna force this so they can save even MORE money than they already did by firing 2/3rds of the devs and only keeping the best, and just sit on their enormous money piles?No, that's extremely retarded and you are just creating a bizarre scenario so you can find yet another way to call all AI usage "Indian". If anything it will just make jeets entirely useless for employment in the west because only the most skilled and useful white people will keep their jobs and use AI to do them 10x faster
>>729520475>>729520504Whiter than (You).
>>729520118I preferred this battle in OG. It was much easier when all you had to do was close your eyes and spam X.
>>729499874They've actually been on a fairly good streak post-FF16. They probably can't keep iot up though.
>>729520513This is the jew world, and that theory that jews originated from jeetland is becoming more real.
>>729511602Which is a shame because it produces much better looking games that Unreal 5 and Unity. Apparently it's just a pain in the ass to actually work with.
>>729520504people began to realize most of 4chan is chatgpt/indians
>>729520715from leafland of all places
>>729520551Your skin isn't that pale.
>>729508897>E33 being half niggerswhat are you fucking talking aboutthere are a few background nigs in the half hour long town section at the start of the gamethen you leavethen the only non-White for the rest of the game is Lune, who is vietnamese/french indo-chinan
>>729505545the absolute state of modern ff
>>729520504The internet used to be quite peaceful. Fucking brown retards are everywhere now.
>>729520838nta but the fact they had them was to appease the wokies, which is par for the course
>>729520838And the weirdest thing is that they literally get eradicated, leaving only whites and japs.
>>729520879I never suspected India to become such a big thing. China, yeah, but not India of all places. I actually thought it would be south america . But I guess thats Brazil.
>>729509863biggest example is the card game: it is quicker and easier to get endgame equipment on disc one by playing triple triad than it is to do it "properly" by enemy drops on discs 3/4.
>>729520715>>729520748A moronic myth that started as a joke, but retards started actually believing and they now tout as fact. Go to /pol/ and check the proportion of American flags vs all other flags (including meme flags)
>>729520997>A moronic mythDuring an earlier april fools, the majority of retarded takes were exposed on all boards of coming from canada. Considering how many indians have infested that place even more over the past years, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to put two and two together.
>>729520513https://www.reuters.com/business/ai-slows-down-some-experienced-software-developers-study-finds-2025-07-10/AI slows down productivity of senior devs by about 20%.
>>729520997>t.
>>729521091Senior dev here. It slows us down because you;re basically reviewing a code monkey's code, and having to do that for everything becomes a major pain.
I will say I recently got the pxiel remaster and its pretty well doneJust beat FF4
>>729521072There is literally only 1.x million of them in CanadaThere are 5 million jeets in the whole of North America. Vs 1400 million in India. And vs 615 million non-jeets on this continent
>>729520879>Indians have basically destroyed the internet through their retardation, simping, botting, and scamming>only at 36% usageWe are so unimaginably fucked, if you think things are awful now, wait til those poojeets reach percentages in line with western nations.
>>729521221>There is literally only 1.x million of them in CanadaThat's too many.
>>729507827LmaoYou're using Stellar blade as an example for anything other than a gooner last ditch effort to show sfw coom games can "sell".Get the fuck outta here.
>>729521267I'm starting to realize why many kingdoms isolated themselves from other races.
>>729521312Sure, but the idea that every one of them is on 4chan doing this >>729521110 is delusional
>>729521393But they are. You've never been around them, have you.
>>729520551>It was much easier when all you had to do was close your eyes and spam X.Casual Turn-BASED win.
>>729521393>triggered jeet
>>729521393that's what i'd say if i was brown
>>729521340>no you don't get it, Sex Sells that old marketing proverb is actually a bad thing and that's why modern FF is completely sexless and why it doesn't sell anymore and that's a good thing!You're a retard, a Sweet Baby Inc Ethics Department certified retard.
>>729521393it's a living
>>729521452>Cloud limit break reached>"That's all for today."heh great timing
>>729521518The fact I can usually tell who is a shill just shows how bad such a marketing team is. They don't get how inauthentic they actually are
>>729520879White internet was so based. I truly miss it.
>>729521483Sure buddy, now post your 600 pound self, crying about how important it is that stellar blade sells and this is all an important movement.
>>729521581>They don't get how inauthentic they actually areThey do and they don't care. Their job is to make the post, not make the sale.
>>729499716This ends with improvements to FF or the death of SE and both of these outcomes are acceptable.
>>729521581You making wild unprovable guesses about people based on their opinions or perceived intelligence (which you just base off their opinions) is not an accurate metric of 4chans demographics
>>729521707that's my point. if they were being paid to actually do a good job it could be better but I guess thats the point
>>729521843My guesses come from experience, which you lack and cannot be faked or AI'd.
>>729521789kinda funny and sad how the best course of action for most things in modern time is for them to burn
>>729521854The shills in the indian/chinese are functionally slaves. That they're getting paid at all is a miracle.
>>729521679Ah a game selling a lot IS a bad thing to you.That's hilarious. Don't worry the next FF7r game will sell even fewer copies than Debirth so that should make you happy.
>>729521925>that video of indians being passed nuts / beans to eat while they work at the computerWhat a horrifying sight
>>729521843>You making wild unprovable guessesThis is such a dumb fucking objection: you don't need a peer reviewed paper to make a personal judgement based on your direct experiences
>>729521989Yeah I dont know what the fuck it is with people needing something to be proven based on cited sources and mixture of google's shit. Then again, the internet is such a cesspool, I'm not surprised they think like that.
>>729521892Tell me, what's an example of a paid jeet shill post? "I liked SH2 remake" or something similar? lmaoYour guesses are guesses and they're statistically far more likely to be wrong than right, see >>729520997 and >>729521221
>>729522070>Tell me, what's an example of a paid jeet shill post? "I liked SH2 remake" or something similar? lmaoI'm not feeding you intel for your AI machine to gobble.
>>729520879Chinks or as I like to call them, chiggers, and pajeets have ruined the internet so badly its unreal.
>>729522113>t.
>>729522186
>>729522054The sad thing is you are probably serious
AI won
>>729521149>>729521091People being shitty at prompting doesn't prove shit
>>729519058Kek it's always the unskilled ones who praise AI. Curious!
>>729522916LLMs are mostly for fraud, scams and low-grade youtube videos. I don't really see how that shit is going to really improve
>>729521091>hey, we got AI, we'll just give it a task and see what happens!These retards don't know how to develop with AI. You do test driven development (like normal), and don't give any of the tests to the AI. If it manages to pass all the tests, congratulations you just got some work done for free. There should literally be no situation in which the AI actually lowers productivity.
>>729523232Your output improves based on your input (how you make your prompts, how you set up the context etc). I'm saying it's a skill issue
>>729522916Fuck prompting. Just hire junior devs. And you get a good investment out of it.
>>729523353I am at the point where I think that any proven benefits are in fact just a novelty mirage. LLMs are a bastard child in comparison to say AGI/Robotics stuff anyways. LLM fags want to use LLMs against artfags so they can bully artists into having lower prices or just otherwise fuck with them for developing a skill they could never have developed but most people think AI slop is cheap garbage.
>>729523530>LLM fags want to use LLMs against artfags so they can bully artists into having lower prices or just otherwise fuck with themwhat? LLMs don't make art, they just outsource the task to a separate generative AI
>>729523530As an art person, AI is indeed slop. Not because I want it to be, but because AI will never be able to do creativity. Ever. Having to tell it what to do alone disqualifies it from ever being independent. Meanwhile, I can come to 4chan everyday and there's something new or something outrageous you come across, and that's because of millions of humans interacting with one another.
>>729523804>Having to tell it what to do alone disqualifies it from ever being independentthat's literally what AIfags have been saying all along. It's a TOOL for the prompter's self expression. It doesn't work on its own, it just makes wild guesses of random shit without precise guidance.The fact the prompter has to pick their favorite one out of like 50 attempts is already analogous to a director picking a favorite take and imbues it with the creator's blessing as the closest thing to their creative vision. If they think its not good enough even with any of the gens, then they just don't share it, like if they made a shitty drawing they didn't like and threw it out.
>>729523696Which is likely just indians anyways>>729523804The thing that really gets to me about AI is how compositionally boring it is.
>>729524121>The thing that really gets to me about AI is how compositionally boring it is.skill issue
>>729524089Thing is, having to ask those 50 times, it'll never be perfect no matter what. And it's not like you're directing an artist to do it, either. A human artist actually listens and knows all the nuanced chances you need. Or if you know how to draw yourself, you can do it yourself. Artists will sit on an arti piece for days thinking of what is missing, then it comes and suddenly the picture works. AI can never replicate that.
>>729523804>as a retardkek
>>729524121>The thing that really gets to me about AI is how compositionally boring it is.Thats part of the creativity part. It can only emulate specific things. It can never make something more complicated or deliberate in its angle.
>>729524235>>729524089(You)>Thing is, having to ask those 50 times, it'll never be perfect no matter whatand your drawn / painted artwork is "perfect"? You are limited by your drawing ability / skill.Also artists are limited by their tools (like stylus, brushes, photoshop, blender) just how like AI has (had) trouble making hands.
>>729524398>and your drawn / painted artwork is "perfect"? You are limited by your drawing ability / skill.>Also artists are limited by their tools (like stylus, brushes, photoshop, blender) just how like AI has (had) trouble making hands.Art is never meant to be perfect in how it comes out, but it needs to always be perfect in intention, and that's where AI will always fail.
>>729524494>muh soul
The odd thing is that even within the youtube slop matrix, I am starting to see less AI shit or at the very least yellow ghibli shit is going down.
>>729524540Soul is very important. I consider it #1.
>>729524642it's just completely subjective, that's all
>>729524693>it's just completely subjectiveSoul is objectively human.
>>729524713an AI artist imbues their AI art with soul because it's a tool
>>729524801Nope.
https://www.vktr.com/ai-technology/ai-hallucinations-nearly-double-heres-why-theyre-getting-worse-not-better/AI hallucinations are doubling
>>729524494that doesn't even make senseif you intend to make cloud from ff7 it doesn't matter if you use AI or a pencil, all that matters is you saying "yep, I made cloud from ff7"
>>729499797zoomie tantrum in the repliesthey wont be the slop they pretend to buy of course though LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO
>>729524828yes. It's why AI art is not all the same in quality. Actual artists are better at it
>>729524868AI is not a pencil.
>>729524909its better
>>729524909it's like one, and that's what you can't comprehend
>>729524954>>729524967You faggots are so fucking clueless, as expected of ai gooners. AI is just replacing an artist, except the artist is a retard who tries to guess what you want but never can do edits correctly. It's like hiring Forest Gump. It has great capability, but lacks the soul behind it.
>>729525045wrong. the skilled artist uses the AI better than the retard and becomes popular while the retard is just another retard
>>729525127>the skilled artist uses the AI better than the retard and becomes popularHasn't happened
>>729524868The majority of AI mostly implements it as this thread>>>/trash/80215077
>>729525045>ad hominem>retard that thinks AI is sentientlmao concession accepted
>>729505419>still spouting the same "it's either AI or DEI" D&C propagandakill yourself AIjeet. do a flip fucking faggot
>>729525180cope, happens all the time
>>729525182speak english this time>>729525229he's not wrong
