Damn, Metaphor is pretty good. Why does /v/ hate this game again?
>>729507123It completely falls apart in the last third of the game.
no romance
>>729507123E33 shills think they invented JRPG's
>>729507123nu-/v/ zoomers think anti-racism is a new thing for Japanese games and therefore they think its woke
>>729507185classic JRPG
>>729507207The brown chick's social link is a romance. So is the skinwalker's. And the brown jew. It's really just the flat ass elf that isn't.
/v/ is full of a bunch of faggots that don't play video games. Game is okay, kinda drags at the end though
>>729507185This. They're 100% rereleasing the game with the Rella arc finished this time around.>>729507232At least E33 is a properly finished JRPG you faggot tard. Why does that game live rent free inside your head?
>>729507123>marketed as a brand new Atlus RPG, but literally just fantasy Persona>no romance >shit music >bland, uninspired setting >personas/jobs are boring >most woke JRPG It does nothing unseen in JRPGs from 30 years ago. Might as well play Final Fantasy V instead.
>>729507123This board has been infested by browns, therefore they hate Metaphor and love E33.
How did we go from this
>>729507260True, but usually it's either the story or the gameplay that falls apart, not both. This is nearly xenogears level of unfinished but with worse writing. It will never not be hilarious to me how they had to last minute make the antagonist go full genocide just to make him not 100% right.
to this?
>>729507123It basically got erased from existence by star rail releasing at similar window It's not good, you just swallow any stereotypical jrpgslop
>>729507349they pay me with their souls
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?Envy.
>>729507185Finale spoilersLouis' retard sperg that results in him becoming a monster was the dumbest fucking shit. Of course they have to do it because it's atlus and we need to kill le god at the end, they just couldn't fucking not do it for once. Just shat all over the entire final act.
>>729507123There's several issues with the game, the cringe anime tropes that starts out with our MC getting his "bankai" and turning into some silly mecha-warrior. How they try to make the MC unique by giving him two different colored eyes. How the men look like women. The on the nose writing on everything political/moral. It's pretty ugly graphically, uninspired. Where is the elf girls ass? I'm not even an ass man but that's a concave.
>>729507373E33 is a white man's game
>>729507447there was a year and a half long gap between those two coming out
>>729507123Bad writing and terrible dungeons.Also the game is just plain ugly, with color scheme mostly consisting of grey, brown and beige.
>>729507207>>729507365why do women need to have romance in games?
>>729507232>>729507373>Metaphor thread >E33 already mentioned twice Mindbroken
>E33 is a white man's game
>>729507232>>729507373the game was forgotten months before e33 came out
>>729507686>implement a social link system with cute girls >you can't fuck them though Cuck game
>>729507123Because the game completely lacked proofreading. I don't think this thing even had editors. It was line by line, first draft, release it.
>>729507232>Mentioning E33 out of nowhereMentally fucking broken, your dogshit generic game could never compare.
>>729507123Cause Hulkenberg has no butt.
>all excrement 33 jeets coming here to seetheLove to see it
>>729507951>to seetheAbout winning more GOTY awards than any game ever?
>>729507951Your game is forgotten lil bro
>>729507123It's woke.>>729507250The way Metaphor does it is woke.
>>729507123Badly paced story that completely falls apart in the last third, extremely shallow writing with a very hamfisted way of tackling its portrayed themes, disconnected social links that also feel very rushed due to them all having to fit the same 8 cutscene template. It was pretty much just another Persona except that it badly executed the mechanics it borrowed. That said, I enjoyed the press turn combat but felt that the archetype system overall was very imbalanced.
>>729507937I thought japs knew how to design characters
>>729507937Easily fixable with a mod
>>729507123>Oh- so we're on a journey and like have to plan our days and shit>Game gives you a retarded amount of days to work around to do everything with zero planning>And now you can just magically teleport to any city, cool.
>>729507123For me it's the pacing — eoo much talking and cutscenes, too little combat and dungeon exploration.I also wish they would've ditched that pointless calendar system. I appreciate that the time limits are not too strict and you can fit pretty much all important stuff easily, but I just don't like the whole concept. I would've much preferred the classic JPRG structure:>roam around the portion of the world map>do sidequests and other activities freely>completing the main quest opens the next portion of the world map>repeatIt has worked just fine since the very dawn of JRRGs and I see no reason to reinvent the wheel.
>>729508437Its not at all.
>>729507123It's mediocre. I wish they would experiment with gameplay more, but it felt like a worse version of Persona/SMT. I was hyped about classes thinking it would be like Etrian Odissey, but there was no depth to it, just grind the classes to get more classes until you get them all.Also, a very weak cast. The main party is boring, and I can't even remember the names of all the "confidants".For an Atlus game, it's very weak. I bought smtvv after this one and it was much MUCH better
>>729507123I found it pretty mediocre
Because /polv/ thinks any message of unity or brothership is automatic woke garbage since they lack any semblance of empathy and have the critical thinking of a goldfish
I liked it, the gameplay was good enough that I was compelled to complete it. But the writing was fucking dull. None of the characters have any personality at all. Every time they speak it's endless tropes and exposition, barely a single line of natural conversation. And there's so god damn much of it, endless reems of dialogue and text that makes up probably 60% or more of the play time. Then there are the hour long cutscenes between all the major story beats. Whenever the plot advances it's through exposition and is completely perfunctory. Character A tries to convince character B of something. Character B says NO. Then has an internal argument with himself via an expository monologue then changes his mind and says "yes, OK , you are right" and then his life is changed all in one scene.Definitely could have done with editing the text down by at least half, or even just hiring a better writer to make the text that is there more compelling to read. Only characters that felt remotely endearing to me were Del and Bas. Their arc felt the most natural and took place over the course of the story rather than through another expository monologue. And Gallica cause she's hot. That's about it.
>>729508586Atlus can't. For some reason all women and girls in their games have bodies of 12 yr old boys.
>>729509504>Atlus can'tShut up, faggot
>>729509504>Atlus can'tAbsolute retard
>>729507538Why do you fatlus retards like to gaslight yourselves with that trope? Louis was never a "god". There is no "god" killing in Metaphor and neither in the main Persona games for that matter so stop with that bullshit narrative.
>>729507123FATLUS. It might actually be a good game for a change, (at least the rare boss screenshot looks less plastic than what they usually produce) but after producing so much normalcattleslop, making it the face of JRPGs for so many, and actively targetting with propaganda, shills and malicious insiders smaller companies who do a better job than them *cough*FuRy.u*cough*, they don't even deserve the time or mindspace
>>729509741I think what people usually mean is that you fight some powerful dude in the end who thinks and acts like he is god. Atlus games (hell, JRPGs in general) do that often
>>729509814>companies who do a better job than them *cough*FuRy.u*cough*Furyu fucking sucks bro, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>729509836>dude in the end who thinks and acts like he is godLiterally every Final Fantasy ever.
>like metaphor>like e33glad they're both two great games
>>729509814>FuRy.uRight. Those Furyu are really good to copying the worst aspects of Persona games (bad pacing, school) but fumble on good parts (combat, build customization, likeable characters).
>>729509882>>729510025Concession accepted, FATLUS shills
>>729508437>le wokeBack to your shithole board.
>>729510709YWNBAW tranny
>>729509974>e33 out of nowhereMind=broken
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?This is a Christian board and Metaphor is anti-Christian propaganda
>>729507838They saw 傷薬 and unironically thought "wound medicine". They do this multiple times where they apparently can't look up kanji compounds. And then for reason can't put two and two together and realize a kanji compound isn't necessarily multiple words.
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?when was the last time /v/ didn't hate something ?
>>729507838>>729511505>being this nitpickHave sex
>>729507123/v/ doesn't hate Metaphor, it was our GOTY last year. Waifufags and coomers are just a vocal minority.
>>729511835It's japanese 101. You play 60$ for japanese 101 mistakes.
>>729507207good, if you enjoy romance in vidya you should be executed
>>729512107I paid $60 for a good experience and I had it. I don't need the game to be translated 1:1 perfect. Half the game we played in the Snes/N64 era were poorly translated. Get laid zoomer faggot
>>729507123It's full of woke crap?Atlus has fallen.
>>729507393>Doesn't even post the best game in his seriesKWAB
>>729507123The main problem is how easy it is to compare to the Persona games and it comes off worse for it.
>>729509504>Admits to being a persona bab
>>729511412Is it actually? That's so silly
>>729507365>personas/jobs are boringOkay, but what other games has a dragoon class with a giant dragon gun
>>729512505is this pro or anti christian?
Anyone else found some similarities with lord of the mysteries?
>>729512505It's a shame how half-way through the game the Qadistu just disappear and the story stops. Up to that point SMTV was so good and then goes to shit so fucking fast. Like they ran out of money and never finished the game.
>>729507769Socializing is not all about sex, gachafag.
>>729512348How long are you gonna keep pretending Cross is good?
>>729513269Until brownoids like you get out of here.
>>729513890Brown site
>>729507185wrong
>>729507538You are the only person in the world with this opinion and I can tell because I can easily see that it's you always posting it in these threads
>>729507123It's a faggy psyop, also it's trash.
>>729509479>another easily recognizable person from a past thread it really is just the same 4 or 5 people shitting on this game on this board isn't it
>>729507838and here is this retard too who can't speak english literally the exact same people
>>729514384Yea you can tell , it’s like that for most games. And it only takes like one schizophrenic faggot obsessed with a game/ company to ruin threads because mods are faggots.
>>729507538I just would've preferred they went with an SMT style where everyone had a valid point. Louis ideology was "fine" but him going full sperging at the end and revealing himself to be a giant manchild ruined it for me. But its okay because we stopped racism with the power of friendship apparently.
>>729514571not the first time you've posted this and still you have 0 idea what the fuck the game was about lol
Man relooking at all the art I saved makes me want to replay the game
>>729514552it never used to be like this on /v/ desu I just think too many posters are leaving
>>729514613It really feels like they only got bits and pieces of the game from watching someone else play the game
>>729507410>last minute make the antagonist go full genocidetranslation: I played the demo and then looked up some screenshots from the end of the game (and read the screenshots wrong)
>>729514689Not really surprised the other alt chans are vastly better, can upload more than one picture in a post, have thread ids so shitposting/ samefagging to a minimum, no god awful captcha and mods don’t just nuke stuff they don’t like.
OH HOLY LIGHT
Oh power of kings!
O POWER OF KINGS
>>729507123It's simply not that impressive, and failed to catch interest of players.You can see this by looking at Pixiv when you have AI-generated slop disabled.Scrolling down to bottom of the first Metaphor page, the oldest picture is from November 19th. If you do the same with Persona 5, then oldest picture is from December 24th.Gallica is cute, though.
>>729515132GET OUT OF MY MIND!
>>729515141>saying "players" instead of "me" >Pixiv>also comparing to Atlus' single biggest release of all time by orders of magnitude coping and seething
>>729515216>Persona 4: Oldest picture is from December 20th>Persona 3: Oldest picture on page 2 (because some fuckers uploaded AI comics without proper tags) was from December 19thBut okay, where should we look at, if not Pixiv? These are Japanese games after all, so one would think that most of at least Japanese fan-art would be uploaded on the premiere Japanese site. And there's not really more subjective way to judge ongoing popularity than fan works.
>>729507207/thread
>>729515471extra cope, you know that everyone posts on twitter and no one gives a shit about musk's shenanigans there was actually more christmas art this year than last year
>>729514885If someone actually even played the demo they would already know that Louis was genociding people and using his remaining influence in the state army to cover it up to make his play for the throne before the royal magic was a thing. The only thing that really changes lategame is the "shield" he keeps talking about is getting to look like Zorba instead of becoming a mindless husk which he knows a lot of people aren't going to be happy with, but he doesn't give a shit because he thinks the utopia is worth it
>>729507123/pol/tards saw some out of context screenshots and decided to shitpost the game nonstop with culture war bullshit.
>>729515782the reason why they hate it though is because they shitposted the game nonstop and it didn't work, not even onsite because Metaphor was /v/'s GOTY
>>729507123Cool still waiting for the directors cut. >But ATLUS sai-LMAO
>>729514461I post like twice maybe thrice in a thread. And I wouldn't do it so "frequently" if the response wasn't braindead>Muh 1:1 It's a mistranslation. 1:1 is irrelevant>Translation has always been badI'm aware, but I have standards. I'm not going to lower them because game translators refuse to do their jobs>I enjoyed the gamePerfectly okay, doesn't mean the translation is good. Just like how people can enjoy trolls 2 while admitting the movie is bad, you can enjoy any game while admitting the translation is bad.>ect,ectOf course me stating this won't actually change anything because no one who responds to me actually reads anything. They just have a script they regurgitate.
>>729515892>twice maybe thricedon't give me that shit you went on a full meltdown in the last one because you couldn't infer that water was cold from 3 sentences lol
>>729515868Atlus has said nothing other than that P3R wouldn't get a definitive release, but third worlders ran with fake news (as they often do) because they don't want to spend more money
Gallica is annoying as hell and I wish I could stop the commentary.
>>729516175Gallica is cute as a button and you are gay
Heismay is the best Atlus mascot since ever.
>>729512591One of the important story characters is a saint who performs miraculous healing with the power of faith so it doesn't shit on the true beliefs of the church but does present the organisation of the church on earth as compromised by corruption at the top level. Pretty common trope to be honest
I don't get it--why fo you have to hate E33 to like Metaphor or the other way around? What happened to just enjoying niggas in a row sims? Is it exclusive from people who didn't play both? This tribalism is retarded and I'm convinced that a lot of you don't even like rpgs
>>729516497Metaphor was my GotY 2024E33 is my GotY 2025
>>729515965>in the last oneI wasn't in the last one. You guys spam these threads way too frequently for there to be zero threads since I last participated.
>>729507123The writing was soulless
>>729516497Not sure, you're the one who brought up E33
>>729517271Literally the 4th post.
>>729516497Unless you’re a retard, poor, or a shitposters you more than likely enjoy both games
>>729507260except for the series that I likeit doesn't matter what series it isit's just one that you hate and that I likeand it makes you angry that I mentioned itso now you'll reply seething and coping ;)
>>729507410>t. r/games didn't play the game and muh animu copingI love itcri moare, queers
>like final fantasy>like trails>like utawarerumono>like tales>all these games make /v/ shit themselves in anger>BG3trannies coping and gaslightingendless entertainment
>>729511346
>>729507123Should've had more rella scenes
>>729507185This is Atlus special, you should get used to that after so many years.Still fun game overall.
>>729507123Played the demo and it was fineNot an instant buy, but definitely getting it laterAlso i want to fuck the fairy
>>729512607Etrian Odyssey
>>729511412>I can fix her
>>729514552>>729514689>>729514995>these other chans sure are better than 4chud, amirite guize?I say this without hyperbole: you can always leave.
>>729515825>Metaphor was /v/'s GOTYOh so we've resorted to lying now huh>n-no you don't get it, in our metaphor threads we decided it was goty
>>729516497I don't know what is going on in your E33 threads, but nobody was fighting over anything before you came in with your rent free nonsense.
>>729511412Why does leftist media blame whites and christians for literally everything?
>>729518562
>>729518801>this society sucks and I have readily available alternatives that are the same thing but better>no I won't participate in them, why are you asking me that?
>>729518908Fucking retard I want this site to be better because I been here for so long, you aren’t smart you stupid nigger. Go bash your head against some rocks
>>729507123I’m enjoying it, but i wish the archetypes were more armour and less mecha, and man the story is black and white: even when there’s a bit of grey the villains are just super villainous for the sake of being villainous, and the heroes are so unbelievably virtuous they make the average Disney prince look morally complex. I mean I know it’s a jrpg but even basilio after a lifetime of hardship and bitterness is just good natured and light hearted. And Louis apart from the reveal about his parentage is straight up destroy the world for fun evil. There’s no fucking nuance.Fun game. Emotional depth of a toddler.
>>729507207Is romance all you need for a game to be good?
>>729518801>>729519070>I want this site to be better>because I been here for so longAbsolutely fucking retarded take lmfaoIt would take the average IQ moron about a week to realise that this place will always be shit, as it has always been shit, and if you dislike it, you'd better go somewhere else. Yet you here you are, actually taking in pride in having stayed on a board you hate and think is terrible. Congratulations nigga. You played yourself!Meanwhile us shitposters run rings around you, making you miserabl for years. I knew there's a real retard take coming up the moment you posted that dumb ass image, but I wasn't ready for total retardation. t. someone most definitely here longer than you are, and enjoying every second of it.
>>729507349It needs four solid large sized dungeons. There’s a lot of repetition. Go to forest or other outside areas and kill x mob until big mob appears, or inside stone walled place with tiny square crawl spaces and round chamber past the cat, or tower with the same layout in every instance and max ten levels even when your characters talk about it climbing high into the air. 99% of the dungeons are one of these. Plus basilio and empha don’t have enough time to naturally build any classes because you get them so late.
>>729507717It is made by white people. Just because you love the games of the bug man doesn’t make him Caucasian.
>>729512223>I don't care if this burger has flecks of >shit in it. I paid for tasty slop and that's >what I got.
>>729519119>even basilio after a lifetime of hardship and bitterness is just good natured and light heartedit takes a special kind of schizo to call this bad writing
>>729509504They’re Asians, man. Not every character can be 200lbs overweight like an American or with 200lb titties like dragon’s crown. There’s porn for your specific fetish.
>>729519119>destroy the world for fun evilI feel like FF7 schizos are the only ones that say this because they got triggered by that one article putting Louis in the hall of great villains. There's literally no way to play the game and come away with this understanding of what the villain was doing legitimately
>>729519483It’s not that it’s bad writing man, it just has zero nuance. Great game but I grew up with Disney characters with more emotional complexity, and they weren’t that complex. Plus let’s be real, some of the story beats are poorly done; like Heisenberg faces off with her former captain, rather than a fight the screen shakes and the duel instantly ends with a sound effect and then he’s apparently off to prison. Like… ok. I like it, but it’s VERY much every Japanese anime trope down to the weird fucking anime body language, and it wouldn’t kill the game to have a villain who isn’t a hilarious evil stereotype. I knew the brothers were going to be good guys within 20 seconds of meeting them. It even went with mecha archtypes with glowing bits and all rather than something medieval. Let’s not imagine up greater depth than we got, here. The gameplay is fun, the story is basic, there’s not a single complex moral choice in the entire game.
Gonna play this and all the jrpgs I bought on the cheap on the steam deck. Should be fun.
Does it really have bad translation?
>>729519993>hyperbole hyperbole hyperbole
>>729520040It doesn't, it's just the least literal translation from Atlus in years and that upsets southeast asians because their english isn't good enough to glean the same intent from a higher quality script
>>729507123the demo was exceedingly boring and the story seemed like derivative le racism DEI standard trope
>>729519703I’ve never read an article about the game, I just played it blind. Dude Louis is hilariously black. So he’s not what he pretends to be, dude still wants to unleash the human monsters he can turn people into and destroy everything. Kills his buddies. Pals around with an evil necromancer. Makes monsters to make himself famous. Might not have been the assassin but it’s not like Forden was anymore complex. Mwhahahahas his way through every scene. Fun villain but I think he’s a basic world destroying villain because he is, in fact, a basic world destroying villain start to end. Come on, man, let’s be real here.
Funny how all criticism could be applied to every JRPG out there, but Atlus is the only one getting flake as usual.
>>729520054Ok. Every world I said was accurate though. Jesus even the evil lady with the monster baby is full on screaming crazy “murder them all” anime trope, then you beat her and she’s “pure good sacrifice herself anime trope”. Even the guardian who takes over for her turns out to be scary and overbearing as a leader and it basically plays out “oh am I? Haha yeah, I guess I was harsh. I’m going to step down and let’s go kill a giant human and save the children”. It’s a good game, but I’m sorry dude, there’s no real mature depth to the story here. But hey, I’ll bite, who was the most emotionally mature and most deeply written character in the entire game for you? I don’t hate the game it’s just the protagonist doesn’t have a lick of flaws in him.
>>729520054Where was what it hyperbole tho
So where is the finished edition of the game? I kind of want to play it.
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>>729520205What he actually wants to do is reduce the population to a small group of people that won't lose their minds and use that to establish a utopia like the one in the book because he knows none of those ideals will work in the world as it is, and literally all of the game's nuance is hyperfocused around this point, but let's keep pretending you know fuck all about this game
>>729520590English not your first language huh?>>729520524just say you don’t understand the nuance without saying so
>>729507123I don't hate it at all, it is my favorite game from last year. Wish we get more games where humans are the outcast race, also Eupha a qt
>>729520827Literally played it start to finish, plus NG+. Yes I get his plot to (once again) genocide nearly everyone to create his utopia while murdering his followers. No this doesn’t make him an emotionally complex character. He’s fun, but dude he has the emotional range of a Disney villain. The fact he’s Elda doesn’t make that not hilariously evil, alongside literally everything he does. I did enjoy the game but come on man, he’s every anime villain ever almost. Dude literally makes his way to his current position by turning people into humans and then murdering them for show. Yes, I know about the game. Even played it a second time to take down the super boss for the achievement. He’s fun. He’s not deep. It’s okay that he isn’t deep. He’s the exact opposite of the main character who is purely kind.
>>729520524More disingenuous examples, what makes Bardon a great character and one of the standout side characters in the game is that he didn't react to losing the election like that at all, he lost his shit but still put keeping the town safe first when they came under attack. You like saying 'emotional maturity' a lot but I get the feeling this doesn't actually mean anything. Like what in your zoomer brain would've been the emotionally mature way to deal with Joanna? Let me guess chop her head off immediately because she killed children?
>>729520827I mean Jesus man, I was pretty sure Louis was going to kill one of the brothers the moment they weren’t total assholes on the runner. They even did the piccolo style “push out of the way and take the energy beam to the chest” anime thing.
It's a solid 7/10
>>729521306I like Bardon, but the dude is incredible simple. He has one flaw, he laughs it off and goes out to fight a sandworm with me. Dude is more well adjusted than anybody I ever met, and despite his flaw, has a heart of pure gold. Like everyone else I count among my followers. Shit even Renna is like “I never meant to kill you, I just needed to know you could win (after multiple hard mode game overs I might add where she absolutely did murder us all) and now it’s time to die. The good guys are super good. The bad guys who repent are super good at heart. The bad guys who don’t are hilariously bad until the end, be it the guy with the dog, the weirdly androgynous necromancer who I guess turned himself into a zombie of sorts, or Louis himself.
>>729521282Saying cmon man over and over is not going to make your total lack of a nuanced opinion stand out any less. Louis is complex because he's completely committed to idealism. He's a product of taking someone that inspired by his king just wanted to see the world outside his home as a child and tearing their whole identity down in a single night. He literally killed people for the exactly the opposite of doing it just because he could.
>>729521875Heismey was a villain so that’s BS and he’s one of the most complex
>>729521875>he laughs it off and goes out to fight a sandworm with meI'm telling you this literally did not happen because I actually played the game. Bardon initially declined taking his office back after the sandworm was beaten and only accepted after his opposition admitted that he wouldn't have been able to stop the attack himself. But looking things up online will only tell you so much about a game you didn't touch.>I never meant to kill you, I just needed to know you could winThis is also not what Rella (spelled wrong) said or did either. Rella HOPED you could stop her because she had strong regrets about what happened and she was also on a time limit, but she had no intention of letting you live if you couldn't because she was not going to put her followers at risk when the other option was Louis who was going to let them die for high mind ideas.
>>729521887Dude, he literally plans to slaughter the non-Elden tribes down to a manageable population with giant monsters created from their friends and family, along with most of his followers, for his mwhahaha version of idealism. There’s no nuance there, he blows a hole in del with an evil smirk on his face and not a second of regret. That’s like arguing that Hitler was a nuanced dude because he wanted a future for his master race. Buddy, he’s fun but his entire plan is genocide for an ideal future. The only real thing about the dude is that all the tribes will be equal as he indiscriminately kills all the weak with his army of magic twisted human abominations.
>>729507123I don't hate it because I never played it
>>729521948Heismey wa blamed for murders he didn’t commit and lived in cave, he’s a solid character but he too has a heart of gold. How is he a villain apart from being a bounty target? Dude didn’t kidnap any children and just wanted to get away to mourn his kid. I enjoyed Heismey but he’s not a villain, and he’s not morally grey.
>>729522385>he blows a hole in del with an evil smirk on his faceI was going to bother refuting this entire post point by point because it's all factually wrong but I'm just going to post this and continue accusing you of not playing the game because it's so obvious that you didn't
>>729522328Dude I literally fought the human worm monster with him. It’s after his fifth or sixth bond level. He buffs the party every few rounds. Then you return to town together. It’s right after the other guy wins the election.Yes, it happens. The fuck are you talking about?
>>729522617You’re right, del does push his brother out of the way. So rather than blowing a hole in one brother he blows a hole in the other. Fair. Now show me where he feels bad.
>>729522643He does not laugh off what happened. I was explaining to you why your post is BS but at this point it's pretty apparent you know exactly what I was saying and you're just refusing to admit that you were wrong on the internet which I get is common practice but it still makes you look like a complete retard either way
>>729522758bad bait
>>729522328My guy. Here’s the fucking sandworm fight with Bardon. Right after he loses the election, and right before he laughs off being too high strung to lead.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLPYwV-63IYes. It happens.
>>729522803See>>729522876
>>729507274She kind of has a romantic nod in her final conversation, it's just not as overt as the triclops's.
>>729522867M’kay. Calling Louis nuanced though when his entire plan (and a REALLY common plan among anime villains) is genociding until he achieves his utopia is still a fucking crazy take.
>>729522758Geez not that anon but you are one dense player who doesn't get any nuance. Alone that Louis for once shuts up and just leaves should tell you enough. In contrast he mocks the party and Strohl after the duel in the capital where he really feel smug about it.
>>729522876m8 you're not going to be able to keep making all these small changes to your arguments or intentionally misinterpreting what I'm writing while acting like I'm not going to notice and keep my attention, you lost so badly on your Louis points that you're literally refusing to read what I put in front of your face I love the story and cast of this game but I'm not dumb enough to keep engaging someone that has no real opinion on any of this
>>729522537I don’t understand how Heismey of all characters is a villain with nuance here. Not a villain at all. He’s just blamed for villainous shit by the bitch with the man-eating baby.
>>729507123Because>social skills>time-wasting events for the sake of raising the social skills>some classes being locked behind social skills>the others are essentially story-locked or completely outclassed by the time you can use them>calendar system for no reason>uninspired dungeons after the first (just like P5 wow) and the one that isn't is lifted wholesale from a different game for a cheap "please clap" moment>incredibly repetitive music>only 2 tracks really stood out, everything else was just SJ again>for all their talk of revolutionizing high fantasy they just did post-apoc again but with PersonaNo sir I didn't like itBut I guess fusion skills was an okay idea in what's otherwise just DDS again
>>729523163literally every metaphor dungeon is better than anything in mainline since maybe SJ itself and most of what came before it, including metaphor's side dungeons that have a set of repeating activities also each time I replay it it becomes that much more apparent, I still get lost in the volcano for example and I don't feel like it's so big that I want to kill myself, I'd kill for that kind of dungeon quality to be in VV for example
>>729507123P5 tier writing but without the art and waifu dating sim to carry it. Gameplay is nothing special since it's your typical baby difficulty jrpg that doesn't manage to even by comfy like the older FF games because there's so much freaking terrible dialogue to push through
>>729523337>like the older FF gamesI like when hyperbolic posters sign their posts on the end like this
>>729523134I do have an opinion, and the only dude moving goalposts is you. You legit just claimed shit I said happened didn’t happen, so I gave you a video of it happening. Bardon, like all the followers, has a heart of gold and he’s pretty happy with the outcome even by rank 7, nevermind rank 8. I know this because I maxxed him for the second time literally three days ago in the final month because I dragged my feet on the General archetype and didn’t need the next tier. Sorry dude but that’s how his story played out.
>>729507123fairy gf
>>729507123Because the playable protagonist is a totally androgynous faggot that wears a womans' headband. It's literally that simple.
>>729523386What are you even on about?
>>729519119Louis did nothing wrong btw
>>729507123I hate it because that pink sex cat isn't a party member.
>>729523403>she doesn't blush at this but she does at the end>there's another dialogue for this same event where you make a wish and she gets really curious about your love life eternal fairy wife more like
>>729523118Okay so explain the nuance of raising an army of rampaging humans to kill the majority of the population in order to usher in his ideal world? Like is the nuance that mass genocide is okay because he’s angry Forden burned his village? Is his tortured backstory nuanced because he had a human destroy Strohl’s home but secretly felt bad about it even though he basically said to Strohl’s face (when he didn’t realize Strohl was from there) that you essentially couldn’t make an omelet without breaking an egg? (Not his words but I don’t remember his exact phrasing). I’m sorry dude but he’s the least black and white villain I’ve seen in ages, I enjoyed him, but he’s not complex. Maybe by anime tropes he’s black and white but compared to most quality videogame villains the guy is pretty much a murderous monster with an insane goal of an ideal world built on releasing hordes of humans to devour the weak (but hey, everyone will be equal).
I liked it, but it wasn't that good, really. Could have been better in many aspects.Some anons mentioned E33, imo that was a better game. Hopefully ATLUS steps up and gives us the great JRPG I know they can make, and hopefully its a megaten and not fucking persona. I know Atlus is capable of making
>>729523297I'll take V/VV's world design and tracks over Metaphor's straightforward dungeons and bland music any day honestly The multiple ways to get to places, the shit hidden around the ruins, the music from Tennozu onwards, I loved it allThat said, Shakan could have used doing more with its inversion gimmick (even adding enemies walking around on the ceiling would help loads) but at least the music there was god tier
Sex with Brigitta
>>729523813>The multiple ways to get to placesthis is some pretty potent cope if I'm being honestlike metaphor's dungeon design is so much better it's not even close and your clapshit point doesn't hold much value anyway because fucking no one remembers EO or SJ's layouts besides autists like us
>>729523796I kind of wish there was some dlc that wasn’t fucking highschool uniforms. Maybe some archetype variations? Some armour that isn’t just from an old game that fits the setting?
>>729523616If you go with his plan the game tells you to your face that his idea was wrong
>>729507185It was so sad. I had the biggest hype in the start. I went from end of demo and did all of the second city dungeon in a one huge 14 hour play session. then it was less and less and ended up quitting near the end.
>The people who hate it aggressively misinterpret every single point.Louis wasn't god and didn't become god.They didn't "stop racism" at the end, it was a point that racism is inevitable so long as two people exist.You people are so fucking stupid it's unreal.
>>729509741Nigger you know exactly what I mean, person ascends and becomes a ridiculously powerful being with an angelic/demonic design.
>>729523813V's world design was pretty bland.
>>729523895The problem is the dungeons are so copy and paste.
>>729523957Yeah that’s accurate as fuck
>>729523943for some reason this guy saying 'in days gone by' stuck in my head for weeks
>>729523616He was honest about treating everyone equally, I’ll give him that. Just they’d be equally eaten and the strong would survive in his ideal world.
>>729523943These people never played the game and threads like these make it very apparent... /v/ is not the best place for vidya discussion
>>729524019The "activities" of the side dungeons maybe but not much else. There's enough gimmick variety and they do enough with the actual dungeon layouts and enemy placements that you don't ever feel like you're going through the same place unless you're playing through the game with the notion that it needs to be worse than some other games you feel very strongly about I've seen some people here compare them to Mementos in P5 which is some of the biggest delusion I've ever seen from a mainline simp
>>729523943Nah he just attained a god-like form to visually show how much stronger he’d become. Pretty common anime trope.
>>729507423reminder this twink FUCKED a fairy
>>729524208Do you really not get what the guy talking about the god form is saying? How many animes and games does the villain pull a sephiroth and get a divine styled appearance to show off his power? That’s probably one of the most common things in jrpgs (especially final fantasy games).
>>729523895Not at all, there were quite a few instances of me making it to somewhere I would have gotten to later by jumping aroundIn Metaphor you only ever interact with the dungeon one way and since key management isn't a thing, you also only progress one way, and the gimmicks it has are too simple to do anything with (oh follow the ceiling to get to the bottom, don't get seen by the guards or you get punished with a fight, don't get seen by the baby or you get punished with a fight)I'm fine with a full focus on either world design or dungeon design, just do more than just the bare minimum of putting rooms together
>>729524331He was a little twinky wasn’t he. I kind of wish he kept the prince’s hair. Lack of nuance aside the protagonist was a little bit on the meek side and the hair band did him no favours in that regard.
>>729511412>dog gets kidnapped>the world is an unforgivable hellscape and billions must die
I bought this....
>>729521887>>729522385Louis is complex both because of fanatical obsession with his ideology to the point that you call him out and prove him wrong twice before proving him right anyway and he STILL doubles down. He's also a spiteful and angry cunt who's world view is informed by the tragedy that befell his parents. Despite this, he's extremely competent and refreshingly charismatic and reasonable until his obsession got the better of him. I think it was the possibility of losing to effectively everything he stood against (you) that made him go all in on fucking everyone up. He's rather well written for a chaos route antagonist and I think if we had gone against Rella as an order route antagonist it could have had real potential but Atlus gave up on this game because it simply didn't sell Persona 5 numbers. It did sell enough to get a sequel maybe a few years down the line, but iirc a lot of the game was spent in pre-production on narrowing down a cohesive style and lore rather than actually making the game.
>>729524176I think the big turn on for Zorba in particular is that you didn't have to be physically capable like a roussainte to avoid being turned into a Human, you just needed to be able to deal with your own anxiety >>729524291It was exactly the opposite of this, him turning into a human was proof that he was weaker than he thought he was. The point of the two final boss designs was 1 to show that Louis was mentally stronger than most (the point of the archetype armor is to shield the user from anxiety and the Archdemon archetype had very little armor) but 2 he still couldn't completely transcend his anxiety like he wanted to (him fully turning into a human)
>>729524473Yeah I gotta agree, even the square holes to duck into in each dungeon are the same. Big ones aside, it’s wither basic dungeon with different colour walls, exterior locale with kill x enemy to make bounty appear, or multi floor tower with two closed door rooms prior to the boss and a rooftop with one item on it if you choose to explore more rather than returning to the entrance.
>>729524675>Atlus gave up on this game because it simply didn't sell Persona 5 numberslollmao
>>729523403>>729523745canonically the MC better marry the fairy girlfriend because its shown that by being around you so much she lost her 'fairyness' and can never return to fairy society, so the least you owe her is to bulge her two inch guts out with your pinky
>>729524593Wow it's 1 to 1 scale
>>729524675bro it's been like 3 weeks since they stopped doing marketing or having events for the game? who gave up on it exactly
>>729523776Alright let me explain it in my view then. I agree with you that there is an element of insanity to him but in his view all his actions make sense and lead to a better outcome or put an end to it at least. And who says he is right, he sure isn't in my opinion but there is complexity to his motives and psyche. He is pretty unusual for a villain in how ingrained his principle of merit and fairness influence his actions in the game. Alone how he keeps the party around shows he isn't one to act on suspicion like everyone turned on him when they thought he cursed the prince. He even welcomes the challenge and constantly praises Will for getting stronger and defying adversity. Hence why he even later offers for him to join him. The genoicide itself is not a genoicide but natural selection, he really doesn't care to kill others, he just wants everyone to face their anxiety and overcome it with strenght of will alone. He really thinks once people do that they can unlock true magic and be stronger and build a utopia. That of course would never work out and when Basilio points out that just means he thinks some people are better off dead he gets upset. In his view it is a selfless act to bring about an evolution of mankind with a cruel act. But Louis is already emotionally so detached that he doesn't really feel empathy for anyone anymore hence why he fails in the end. He just wants to make it better for mankind but would sacrifice anyone even himself for that. Ther are so many facets to his character idk how you can just call it black and white. I could write a whole essay on so many points but I feel your opinion is already set.
>>729524473this is kind of just downplaying how much variety there was in the gimmicks compared to normal desuit not following persona's stringent overall structure it's been using for over a decade while keeping the calendar system was also a big positive for folks
>>729524675Louis has the veneer of complexity but is revealed to just be extremely devoted to an utterly asinine ideology. “Nobody should have friends and every day you should have to kill twenty demons to walk to the well” fucking advanced Dagda bullshit. He’s taken “Might makes right, the weak have no intrinsic right to exist” so far as to become hilarious. “Might makes right, and also all the weak and 90% of the strong should become giant demons because that means you need to be even strongerer”.
>>729524675I don’t think doubling down on your plan to genocide most of the world after you’ve already decided this is your goal is all that complex. Louis is just straight up evil. He’s mad. He wants to punish. He figures after his monsters eat the majority of the population he’d make a solid ruler. Dude’s way past walking back because he’s already fed Strohl’s village to a human and it’s not that he’s complex, he just already took that step a few times and he’s 100% sure that he’s cool with that plan because he’s done it and he’s spectacularly evil. He doubles down because he’s already chosen the mass murder route, and he’s comfortable with that.
