Damn, Metaphor is pretty good. Why does /v/ hate this game again?
>>729507123It completely falls apart in the last third of the game.
no romance
>>729507123E33 shills think they invented JRPG's
>>729507123nu-/v/ zoomers think anti-racism is a new thing for Japanese games and therefore they think its woke
>>729507185classic JRPG
>>729507207The brown chick's social link is a romance. So is the skinwalker's. And the brown jew. It's really just the flat ass elf that isn't.
/v/ is full of a bunch of faggots that don't play video games. Game is okay, kinda drags at the end though
>>729507185This. They're 100% rereleasing the game with the Rella arc finished this time around.>>729507232At least E33 is a properly finished JRPG you faggot tard. Why does that game live rent free inside your head?
>>729507123>marketed as a brand new Atlus RPG, but literally just fantasy Persona>no romance >shit music >bland, uninspired setting >personas/jobs are boring >most woke JRPG It does nothing unseen in JRPGs from 30 years ago. Might as well play Final Fantasy V instead.
>>729507123This board has been infested by browns, therefore they hate Metaphor and love E33.
How did we go from this
>>729507260True, but usually it's either the story or the gameplay that falls apart, not both. This is nearly xenogears level of unfinished but with worse writing. It will never not be hilarious to me how they had to last minute make the antagonist go full genocide just to make him not 100% right.
to this?
>>729507123It basically got erased from existence by star rail releasing at similar window It's not good, you just swallow any stereotypical jrpgslop
>>729507349they pay me with their souls
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?Envy.
>>729507185Finale spoilersLouis' retard sperg that results in him becoming a monster was the dumbest fucking shit. Of course they have to do it because it's atlus and we need to kill le god at the end, they just couldn't fucking not do it for once. Just shat all over the entire final act.
>>729507123There's several issues with the game, the cringe anime tropes that starts out with our MC getting his "bankai" and turning into some silly mecha-warrior. How they try to make the MC unique by giving him two different colored eyes. How the men look like women. The on the nose writing on everything political/moral. It's pretty ugly graphically, uninspired. Where is the elf girls ass? I'm not even an ass man but that's a concave.
>>729507373E33 is a white man's game
>>729507447there was a year and a half long gap between those two coming out
>>729507123Bad writing and terrible dungeons.Also the game is just plain ugly, with color scheme mostly consisting of grey, brown and beige.
>>729507207>>729507365why do women need to have romance in games?
>>729507232>>729507373>Metaphor thread >E33 already mentioned twice Mindbroken
>E33 is a white man's game
>>729507232>>729507373the game was forgotten months before e33 came out
>>729507686>implement a social link system with cute girls >you can't fuck them though Cuck game
>>729507123Because the game completely lacked proofreading. I don't think this thing even had editors. It was line by line, first draft, release it.
>>729507232>Mentioning E33 out of nowhereMentally fucking broken, your dogshit generic game could never compare.
>>729507123Cause Hulkenberg has no butt.
>all excrement 33 jeets coming here to seetheLove to see it
>>729507951>to seetheAbout winning more GOTY awards than any game ever?
>>729507951Your game is forgotten lil bro
>>729507123It's woke.>>729507250The way Metaphor does it is woke.
>>729507123Badly paced story that completely falls apart in the last third, extremely shallow writing with a very hamfisted way of tackling its portrayed themes, disconnected social links that also feel very rushed due to them all having to fit the same 8 cutscene template. It was pretty much just another Persona except that it badly executed the mechanics it borrowed. That said, I enjoyed the press turn combat but felt that the archetype system overall was very imbalanced.
>>729507937I thought japs knew how to design characters
>>729507937Easily fixable with a mod
>>729507123>Oh- so we're on a journey and like have to plan our days and shit>Game gives you a retarded amount of days to work around to do everything with zero planning>And now you can just magically teleport to any city, cool.
>>729507123For me it's the pacing — eoo much talking and cutscenes, too little combat and dungeon exploration.I also wish they would've ditched that pointless calendar system. I appreciate that the time limits are not too strict and you can fit pretty much all important stuff easily, but I just don't like the whole concept. I would've much preferred the classic JPRG structure:>roam around the portion of the world map>do sidequests and other activities freely>completing the main quest opens the next portion of the world map>repeatIt has worked just fine since the very dawn of JRRGs and I see no reason to reinvent the wheel.
>>729508437Its not at all.
>>729507123It's mediocre. I wish they would experiment with gameplay more, but it felt like a worse version of Persona/SMT. I was hyped about classes thinking it would be like Etrian Odissey, but there was no depth to it, just grind the classes to get more classes until you get them all.Also, a very weak cast. The main party is boring, and I can't even remember the names of all the "confidants".For an Atlus game, it's very weak. I bought smtvv after this one and it was much MUCH better
>>729507123I found it pretty mediocre
Because /polv/ thinks any message of unity or brothership is automatic woke garbage since they lack any semblance of empathy and have the critical thinking of a goldfish
I liked it, the gameplay was good enough that I was compelled to complete it. But the writing was fucking dull. None of the characters have any personality at all. Every time they speak it's endless tropes and exposition, barely a single line of natural conversation. And there's so god damn much of it, endless reems of dialogue and text that makes up probably 60% or more of the play time. Then there are the hour long cutscenes between all the major story beats. Whenever the plot advances it's through exposition and is completely perfunctory. Character A tries to convince character B of something. Character B says NO. Then has an internal argument with himself via an expository monologue then changes his mind and says "yes, OK , you are right" and then his life is changed all in one scene.Definitely could have done with editing the text down by at least half, or even just hiring a better writer to make the text that is there more compelling to read. Only characters that felt remotely endearing to me were Del and Bas. Their arc felt the most natural and took place over the course of the story rather than through another expository monologue. And Gallica cause she's hot. That's about it.
>>729508586Atlus can't. For some reason all women and girls in their games have bodies of 12 yr old boys.
>>729509504>Atlus can'tShut up, faggot
>>729509504>Atlus can'tAbsolute retard
>>729507538Why do you fatlus retards like to gaslight yourselves with that trope? Louis was never a "god". There is no "god" killing in Metaphor and neither in the main Persona games for that matter so stop with that bullshit narrative.
>>729507123FATLUS. It might actually be a good game for a change, (at least the rare boss screenshot looks less plastic than what they usually produce) but after producing so much normalcattleslop, making it the face of JRPGs for so many, and actively targetting with propaganda, shills and malicious insiders smaller companies who do a better job than them *cough*FuRy.u*cough*, they don't even deserve the time or mindspace
>>729509741I think what people usually mean is that you fight some powerful dude in the end who thinks and acts like he is god. Atlus games (hell, JRPGs in general) do that often
>>729509814>companies who do a better job than them *cough*FuRy.u*cough*Furyu fucking sucks bro, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>729509836>dude in the end who thinks and acts like he is godLiterally every Final Fantasy ever.
>like metaphor>like e33glad they're both two great games
>>729509814>FuRy.uRight. Those Furyu are really good to copying the worst aspects of Persona games (bad pacing, school) but fumble on good parts (combat, build customization, likeable characters).
>>729509882>>729510025Concession accepted, FATLUS shills
>>729508437>le wokeBack to your shithole board.
>>729510709YWNBAW tranny
>>729509974>e33 out of nowhereMind=broken
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?This is a Christian board and Metaphor is anti-Christian propaganda
>>729507838They saw 傷薬 and unironically thought "wound medicine". They do this multiple times where they apparently can't look up kanji compounds. And then for reason can't put two and two together and realize a kanji compound isn't necessarily multiple words.
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?when was the last time /v/ didn't hate something ?
>>729507838>>729511505>being this nitpickHave sex
>>729507123/v/ doesn't hate Metaphor, it was our GOTY last year. Waifufags and coomers are just a vocal minority.
>>729511835It's japanese 101. You play 60$ for japanese 101 mistakes.
>>729507207good, if you enjoy romance in vidya you should be executed
>>729512107I paid $60 for a good experience and I had it. I don't need the game to be translated 1:1 perfect. Half the game we played in the Snes/N64 era were poorly translated. Get laid zoomer faggot
>>729507123It's full of woke crap?Atlus has fallen.
>>729507393>Doesn't even post the best game in his seriesKWAB
>>729507123The main problem is how easy it is to compare to the Persona games and it comes off worse for it.
>>729509504>Admits to being a persona bab
>>729511412Is it actually? That's so silly
>>729507365>personas/jobs are boringOkay, but what other games has a dragoon class with a giant dragon gun
>>729512505is this pro or anti christian?
Anyone else found some similarities with lord of the mysteries?
>>729512505It's a shame how half-way through the game the Qadistu just disappear and the story stops. Up to that point SMTV was so good and then goes to shit so fucking fast. Like they ran out of money and never finished the game.
>>729507769Socializing is not all about sex, gachafag.
>>729512348How long are you gonna keep pretending Cross is good?
>>729513269Until brownoids like you get out of here.
>>729513890Brown site
>>729507185wrong
>>729507538You are the only person in the world with this opinion and I can tell because I can easily see that it's you always posting it in these threads
>>729507123It's a faggy psyop, also it's trash.
>>729509479>another easily recognizable person from a past thread it really is just the same 4 or 5 people shitting on this game on this board isn't it
>>729507838and here is this retard too who can't speak english literally the exact same people
>>729514384Yea you can tell , it’s like that for most games. And it only takes like one schizophrenic faggot obsessed with a game/ company to ruin threads because mods are faggots.
>>729507538I just would've preferred they went with an SMT style where everyone had a valid point. Louis ideology was "fine" but him going full sperging at the end and revealing himself to be a giant manchild ruined it for me. But its okay because we stopped racism with the power of friendship apparently.
>>729514571not the first time you've posted this and still you have 0 idea what the fuck the game was about lol
Man relooking at all the art I saved makes me want to replay the game
>>729514552it never used to be like this on /v/ desu I just think too many posters are leaving
>>729514613It really feels like they only got bits and pieces of the game from watching someone else play the game
>>729507410>last minute make the antagonist go full genocidetranslation: I played the demo and then looked up some screenshots from the end of the game (and read the screenshots wrong)
>>729514689Not really surprised the other alt chans are vastly better, can upload more than one picture in a post, have thread ids so shitposting/ samefagging to a minimum, no god awful captcha and mods don’t just nuke stuff they don’t like.
OH HOLY LIGHT
Oh power of kings!
O POWER OF KINGS
>>729507123It's simply not that impressive, and failed to catch interest of players.You can see this by looking at Pixiv when you have AI-generated slop disabled.Scrolling down to bottom of the first Metaphor page, the oldest picture is from November 19th. If you do the same with Persona 5, then oldest picture is from December 24th.Gallica is cute, though.
>>729515132GET OUT OF MY MIND!
>>729515141>saying "players" instead of "me" >Pixiv>also comparing to Atlus' single biggest release of all time by orders of magnitude coping and seething
>>729515216>Persona 4: Oldest picture is from December 20th>Persona 3: Oldest picture on page 2 (because some fuckers uploaded AI comics without proper tags) was from December 19thBut okay, where should we look at, if not Pixiv? These are Japanese games after all, so one would think that most of at least Japanese fan-art would be uploaded on the premiere Japanese site. And there's not really more subjective way to judge ongoing popularity than fan works.
>>729507207/thread
>>729515471extra cope, you know that everyone posts on twitter and no one gives a shit about musk's shenanigans there was actually more christmas art this year than last year
>>729514885If someone actually even played the demo they would already know that Louis was genociding people and using his remaining influence in the state army to cover it up to make his play for the throne before the royal magic was a thing. The only thing that really changes lategame is the "shield" he keeps talking about is getting to look like Zorba instead of becoming a mindless husk which he knows a lot of people aren't going to be happy with, but he doesn't give a shit because he thinks the utopia is worth it
>>729507123/pol/tards saw some out of context screenshots and decided to shitpost the game nonstop with culture war bullshit.
>>729515782the reason why they hate it though is because they shitposted the game nonstop and it didn't work, not even onsite because Metaphor was /v/'s GOTY
>>729507123Cool still waiting for the directors cut. >But ATLUS sai-LMAO
>>729514461I post like twice maybe thrice in a thread. And I wouldn't do it so "frequently" if the response wasn't braindead>Muh 1:1 It's a mistranslation. 1:1 is irrelevant>Translation has always been badI'm aware, but I have standards. I'm not going to lower them because game translators refuse to do their jobs>I enjoyed the gamePerfectly okay, doesn't mean the translation is good. Just like how people can enjoy trolls 2 while admitting the movie is bad, you can enjoy any game while admitting the translation is bad.>ect,ectOf course me stating this won't actually change anything because no one who responds to me actually reads anything. They just have a script they regurgitate.
>>729515892>twice maybe thricedon't give me that shit you went on a full meltdown in the last one because you couldn't infer that water was cold from 3 sentences lol
>>729515868Atlus has said nothing other than that P3R wouldn't get a definitive release, but third worlders ran with fake news (as they often do) because they don't want to spend more money
Gallica is annoying as hell and I wish I could stop the commentary.
>>729516175Gallica is cute as a button and you are gay
Heismay is the best Atlus mascot since ever.
>>729512591One of the important story characters is a saint who performs miraculous healing with the power of faith so it doesn't shit on the true beliefs of the church but does present the organisation of the church on earth as compromised by corruption at the top level. Pretty common trope to be honest
I don't get it--why fo you have to hate E33 to like Metaphor or the other way around? What happened to just enjoying niggas in a row sims? Is it exclusive from people who didn't play both? This tribalism is retarded and I'm convinced that a lot of you don't even like rpgs
>>729516497Metaphor was my GotY 2024E33 is my GotY 2025
>>729515965>in the last oneI wasn't in the last one. You guys spam these threads way too frequently for there to be zero threads since I last participated.
>>729507123The writing was soulless
>>729516497Not sure, you're the one who brought up E33
>>729517271Literally the 4th post.
>>729516497Unless you’re a retard, poor, or a shitposters you more than likely enjoy both games
>>729507260except for the series that I likeit doesn't matter what series it isit's just one that you hate and that I likeand it makes you angry that I mentioned itso now you'll reply seething and coping ;)
>>729507410>t. r/games didn't play the game and muh animu copingI love itcri moare, queers
>like final fantasy>like trails>like utawarerumono>like tales>all these games make /v/ shit themselves in anger>BG3trannies coping and gaslightingendless entertainment
>>729511346
>>729507123Should've had more rella scenes
>>729507185This is Atlus special, you should get used to that after so many years.Still fun game overall.
>>729507123Played the demo and it was fineNot an instant buy, but definitely getting it laterAlso i want to fuck the fairy
>>729512607Etrian Odyssey
>>729511412>I can fix her
>>729514552>>729514689>>729514995>these other chans sure are better than 4chud, amirite guize?I say this without hyperbole: you can always leave.
>>729515825>Metaphor was /v/'s GOTYOh so we've resorted to lying now huh>n-no you don't get it, in our metaphor threads we decided it was goty
>>729516497I don't know what is going on in your E33 threads, but nobody was fighting over anything before you came in with your rent free nonsense.
>>729511412Why does leftist media blame whites and christians for literally everything?
>>729518562
>>729518801>this society sucks and I have readily available alternatives that are the same thing but better>no I won't participate in them, why are you asking me that?
>>729518908Fucking retard I want this site to be better because I been here for so long, you aren’t smart you stupid nigger. Go bash your head against some rocks
>>729507123I’m enjoying it, but i wish the archetypes were more armour and less mecha, and man the story is black and white: even when there’s a bit of grey the villains are just super villainous for the sake of being villainous, and the heroes are so unbelievably virtuous they make the average Disney prince look morally complex. I mean I know it’s a jrpg but even basilio after a lifetime of hardship and bitterness is just good natured and light hearted. And Louis apart from the reveal about his parentage is straight up destroy the world for fun evil. There’s no fucking nuance.Fun game. Emotional depth of a toddler.
>>729507207Is romance all you need for a game to be good?
>>729518801>>729519070>I want this site to be better>because I been here for so longAbsolutely fucking retarded take lmfaoIt would take the average IQ moron about a week to realise that this place will always be shit, as it has always been shit, and if you dislike it, you'd better go somewhere else. Yet you here you are, actually taking in pride in having stayed on a board you hate and think is terrible. Congratulations nigga. You played yourself!Meanwhile us shitposters run rings around you, making you miserabl for years. I knew there's a real retard take coming up the moment you posted that dumb ass image, but I wasn't ready for total retardation. t. someone most definitely here longer than you are, and enjoying every second of it.
>>729507349It needs four solid large sized dungeons. There’s a lot of repetition. Go to forest or other outside areas and kill x mob until big mob appears, or inside stone walled place with tiny square crawl spaces and round chamber past the cat, or tower with the same layout in every instance and max ten levels even when your characters talk about it climbing high into the air. 99% of the dungeons are one of these. Plus basilio and empha don’t have enough time to naturally build any classes because you get them so late.
>>729507717It is made by white people. Just because you love the games of the bug man doesn’t make him Caucasian.
>>729512223>I don't care if this burger has flecks of >shit in it. I paid for tasty slop and that's >what I got.
>>729519119>even basilio after a lifetime of hardship and bitterness is just good natured and light heartedit takes a special kind of schizo to call this bad writing
>>729509504They’re Asians, man. Not every character can be 200lbs overweight like an American or with 200lb titties like dragon’s crown. There’s porn for your specific fetish.
>>729519119>destroy the world for fun evilI feel like FF7 schizos are the only ones that say this because they got triggered by that one article putting Louis in the hall of great villains. There's literally no way to play the game and come away with this understanding of what the villain was doing legitimately
>>729519483It’s not that it’s bad writing man, it just has zero nuance. Great game but I grew up with Disney characters with more emotional complexity, and they weren’t that complex. Plus let’s be real, some of the story beats are poorly done; like Heisenberg faces off with her former captain, rather than a fight the screen shakes and the duel instantly ends with a sound effect and then he’s apparently off to prison. Like… ok. I like it, but it’s VERY much every Japanese anime trope down to the weird fucking anime body language, and it wouldn’t kill the game to have a villain who isn’t a hilarious evil stereotype. I knew the brothers were going to be good guys within 20 seconds of meeting them. It even went with mecha archtypes with glowing bits and all rather than something medieval. Let’s not imagine up greater depth than we got, here. The gameplay is fun, the story is basic, there’s not a single complex moral choice in the entire game.
Gonna play this and all the jrpgs I bought on the cheap on the steam deck. Should be fun.
Does it really have bad translation?
>>729519993>hyperbole hyperbole hyperbole
>>729520040It doesn't, it's just the least literal translation from Atlus in years and that upsets southeast asians because their english isn't good enough to glean the same intent from a higher quality script
>>729507123the demo was exceedingly boring and the story seemed like derivative le racism DEI standard trope
>>729519703I’ve never read an article about the game, I just played it blind. Dude Louis is hilariously black. So he’s not what he pretends to be, dude still wants to unleash the human monsters he can turn people into and destroy everything. Kills his buddies. Pals around with an evil necromancer. Makes monsters to make himself famous. Might not have been the assassin but it’s not like Forden was anymore complex. Mwhahahahas his way through every scene. Fun villain but I think he’s a basic world destroying villain because he is, in fact, a basic world destroying villain start to end. Come on, man, let’s be real here.
Funny how all criticism could be applied to every JRPG out there, but Atlus is the only one getting flake as usual.
>>729520054Ok. Every world I said was accurate though. Jesus even the evil lady with the monster baby is full on screaming crazy “murder them all” anime trope, then you beat her and she’s “pure good sacrifice herself anime trope”. Even the guardian who takes over for her turns out to be scary and overbearing as a leader and it basically plays out “oh am I? Haha yeah, I guess I was harsh. I’m going to step down and let’s go kill a giant human and save the children”. It’s a good game, but I’m sorry dude, there’s no real mature depth to the story here. But hey, I’ll bite, who was the most emotionally mature and most deeply written character in the entire game for you? I don’t hate the game it’s just the protagonist doesn’t have a lick of flaws in him.
>>729520054Where was what it hyperbole tho
So where is the finished edition of the game? I kind of want to play it.
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>>729520205What he actually wants to do is reduce the population to a small group of people that won't lose their minds and use that to establish a utopia like the one in the book because he knows none of those ideals will work in the world as it is, and literally all of the game's nuance is hyperfocused around this point, but let's keep pretending you know fuck all about this game
>>729520590English not your first language huh?>>729520524just say you don’t understand the nuance without saying so
>>729507123I don't hate it at all, it is my favorite game from last year. Wish we get more games where humans are the outcast race, also Eupha a qt
>>729520827Literally played it start to finish, plus NG+. Yes I get his plot to (once again) genocide nearly everyone to create his utopia while murdering his followers. No this doesn’t make him an emotionally complex character. He’s fun, but dude he has the emotional range of a Disney villain. The fact he’s Elda doesn’t make that not hilariously evil, alongside literally everything he does. I did enjoy the game but come on man, he’s every anime villain ever almost. Dude literally makes his way to his current position by turning people into humans and then murdering them for show. Yes, I know about the game. Even played it a second time to take down the super boss for the achievement. He’s fun. He’s not deep. It’s okay that he isn’t deep. He’s the exact opposite of the main character who is purely kind.
>>729520524More disingenuous examples, what makes Bardon a great character and one of the standout side characters in the game is that he didn't react to losing the election like that at all, he lost his shit but still put keeping the town safe first when they came under attack. You like saying 'emotional maturity' a lot but I get the feeling this doesn't actually mean anything. Like what in your zoomer brain would've been the emotionally mature way to deal with Joanna? Let me guess chop her head off immediately because she killed children?
>>729520827I mean Jesus man, I was pretty sure Louis was going to kill one of the brothers the moment they weren’t total assholes on the runner. They even did the piccolo style “push out of the way and take the energy beam to the chest” anime thing.
It's a solid 7/10
>>729521306I like Bardon, but the dude is incredible simple. He has one flaw, he laughs it off and goes out to fight a sandworm with me. Dude is more well adjusted than anybody I ever met, and despite his flaw, has a heart of pure gold. Like everyone else I count among my followers. Shit even Renna is like “I never meant to kill you, I just needed to know you could win (after multiple hard mode game overs I might add where she absolutely did murder us all) and now it’s time to die. The good guys are super good. The bad guys who repent are super good at heart. The bad guys who don’t are hilariously bad until the end, be it the guy with the dog, the weirdly androgynous necromancer who I guess turned himself into a zombie of sorts, or Louis himself.
>>729521282Saying cmon man over and over is not going to make your total lack of a nuanced opinion stand out any less. Louis is complex because he's completely committed to idealism. He's a product of taking someone that inspired by his king just wanted to see the world outside his home as a child and tearing their whole identity down in a single night. He literally killed people for the exactly the opposite of doing it just because he could.
>>729521875Heismey was a villain so that’s BS and he’s one of the most complex
>>729521875>he laughs it off and goes out to fight a sandworm with meI'm telling you this literally did not happen because I actually played the game. Bardon initially declined taking his office back after the sandworm was beaten and only accepted after his opposition admitted that he wouldn't have been able to stop the attack himself. But looking things up online will only tell you so much about a game you didn't touch.>I never meant to kill you, I just needed to know you could winThis is also not what Rella (spelled wrong) said or did either. Rella HOPED you could stop her because she had strong regrets about what happened and she was also on a time limit, but she had no intention of letting you live if you couldn't because she was not going to put her followers at risk when the other option was Louis who was going to let them die for high mind ideas.
>>729521887Dude, he literally plans to slaughter the non-Elden tribes down to a manageable population with giant monsters created from their friends and family, along with most of his followers, for his mwhahaha version of idealism. There’s no nuance there, he blows a hole in del with an evil smirk on his face and not a second of regret. That’s like arguing that Hitler was a nuanced dude because he wanted a future for his master race. Buddy, he’s fun but his entire plan is genocide for an ideal future. The only real thing about the dude is that all the tribes will be equal as he indiscriminately kills all the weak with his army of magic twisted human abominations.
>>729507123I don't hate it because I never played it
>>729521948Heismey wa blamed for murders he didn’t commit and lived in cave, he’s a solid character but he too has a heart of gold. How is he a villain apart from being a bounty target? Dude didn’t kidnap any children and just wanted to get away to mourn his kid. I enjoyed Heismey but he’s not a villain, and he’s not morally grey.
>>729522385>he blows a hole in del with an evil smirk on his faceI was going to bother refuting this entire post point by point because it's all factually wrong but I'm just going to post this and continue accusing you of not playing the game because it's so obvious that you didn't
>>729522328Dude I literally fought the human worm monster with him. It’s after his fifth or sixth bond level. He buffs the party every few rounds. Then you return to town together. It’s right after the other guy wins the election.Yes, it happens. The fuck are you talking about?
>>729522617You’re right, del does push his brother out of the way. So rather than blowing a hole in one brother he blows a hole in the other. Fair. Now show me where he feels bad.
>>729522643He does not laugh off what happened. I was explaining to you why your post is BS but at this point it's pretty apparent you know exactly what I was saying and you're just refusing to admit that you were wrong on the internet which I get is common practice but it still makes you look like a complete retard either way
>>729522758bad bait
>>729522328My guy. Here’s the fucking sandworm fight with Bardon. Right after he loses the election, and right before he laughs off being too high strung to lead.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLPYwV-63IYes. It happens.
>>729522803See>>729522876
>>729507274She kind of has a romantic nod in her final conversation, it's just not as overt as the triclops's.
>>729522867M’kay. Calling Louis nuanced though when his entire plan (and a REALLY common plan among anime villains) is genociding until he achieves his utopia is still a fucking crazy take.
>>729522758Geez not that anon but you are one dense player who doesn't get any nuance. Alone that Louis for once shuts up and just leaves should tell you enough. In contrast he mocks the party and Strohl after the duel in the capital where he really feel smug about it.
>>729522876m8 you're not going to be able to keep making all these small changes to your arguments or intentionally misinterpreting what I'm writing while acting like I'm not going to notice and keep my attention, you lost so badly on your Louis points that you're literally refusing to read what I put in front of your face I love the story and cast of this game but I'm not dumb enough to keep engaging someone that has no real opinion on any of this
>>729522537I don’t understand how Heismey of all characters is a villain with nuance here. Not a villain at all. He’s just blamed for villainous shit by the bitch with the man-eating baby.
>>729507123Because>social skills>time-wasting events for the sake of raising the social skills>some classes being locked behind social skills>the others are essentially story-locked or completely outclassed by the time you can use them>calendar system for no reason>uninspired dungeons after the first (just like P5 wow) and the one that isn't is lifted wholesale from a different game for a cheap "please clap" moment>incredibly repetitive music>only 2 tracks really stood out, everything else was just SJ again>for all their talk of revolutionizing high fantasy they just did post-apoc again but with PersonaNo sir I didn't like itBut I guess fusion skills was an okay idea in what's otherwise just DDS again
>>729523163literally every metaphor dungeon is better than anything in mainline since maybe SJ itself and most of what came before it, including metaphor's side dungeons that have a set of repeating activities also each time I replay it it becomes that much more apparent, I still get lost in the volcano for example and I don't feel like it's so big that I want to kill myself, I'd kill for that kind of dungeon quality to be in VV for example
>>729507123P5 tier writing but without the art and waifu dating sim to carry it. Gameplay is nothing special since it's your typical baby difficulty jrpg that doesn't manage to even by comfy like the older FF games because there's so much freaking terrible dialogue to push through
>>729523337>like the older FF gamesI like when hyperbolic posters sign their posts on the end like this
>>729523134I do have an opinion, and the only dude moving goalposts is you. You legit just claimed shit I said happened didn’t happen, so I gave you a video of it happening. Bardon, like all the followers, has a heart of gold and he’s pretty happy with the outcome even by rank 7, nevermind rank 8. I know this because I maxxed him for the second time literally three days ago in the final month because I dragged my feet on the General archetype and didn’t need the next tier. Sorry dude but that’s how his story played out.
>>729507123fairy gf
>>729507123Because the playable protagonist is a totally androgynous faggot that wears a womans' headband. It's literally that simple.
>>729523386What are you even on about?
>>729519119Louis did nothing wrong btw
>>729507123I hate it because that pink sex cat isn't a party member.
>>729523403>she doesn't blush at this but she does at the end>there's another dialogue for this same event where you make a wish and she gets really curious about your love life eternal fairy wife more like
>>729523118Okay so explain the nuance of raising an army of rampaging humans to kill the majority of the population in order to usher in his ideal world? Like is the nuance that mass genocide is okay because he’s angry Forden burned his village? Is his tortured backstory nuanced because he had a human destroy Strohl’s home but secretly felt bad about it even though he basically said to Strohl’s face (when he didn’t realize Strohl was from there) that you essentially couldn’t make an omelet without breaking an egg? (Not his words but I don’t remember his exact phrasing). I’m sorry dude but he’s the least black and white villain I’ve seen in ages, I enjoyed him, but he’s not complex. Maybe by anime tropes he’s black and white but compared to most quality videogame villains the guy is pretty much a murderous monster with an insane goal of an ideal world built on releasing hordes of humans to devour the weak (but hey, everyone will be equal).
I liked it, but it wasn't that good, really. Could have been better in many aspects.Some anons mentioned E33, imo that was a better game. Hopefully ATLUS steps up and gives us the great JRPG I know they can make, and hopefully its a megaten and not fucking persona. I know Atlus is capable of making
>>729523297I'll take V/VV's world design and tracks over Metaphor's straightforward dungeons and bland music any day honestly The multiple ways to get to places, the shit hidden around the ruins, the music from Tennozu onwards, I loved it allThat said, Shakan could have used doing more with its inversion gimmick (even adding enemies walking around on the ceiling would help loads) but at least the music there was god tier
Sex with Brigitta
>>729523813>The multiple ways to get to placesthis is some pretty potent cope if I'm being honestlike metaphor's dungeon design is so much better it's not even close and your clapshit point doesn't hold much value anyway because fucking no one remembers EO or SJ's layouts besides autists like us
>>729523796I kind of wish there was some dlc that wasn’t fucking highschool uniforms. Maybe some archetype variations? Some armour that isn’t just from an old game that fits the setting?
>>729523616If you go with his plan the game tells you to your face that his idea was wrong
>>729507185It was so sad. I had the biggest hype in the start. I went from end of demo and did all of the second city dungeon in a one huge 14 hour play session. then it was less and less and ended up quitting near the end.
>The people who hate it aggressively misinterpret every single point.Louis wasn't god and didn't become god.They didn't "stop racism" at the end, it was a point that racism is inevitable so long as two people exist.You people are so fucking stupid it's unreal.
>>729509741Nigger you know exactly what I mean, person ascends and becomes a ridiculously powerful being with an angelic/demonic design.
>>729523813V's world design was pretty bland.
>>729523895The problem is the dungeons are so copy and paste.
>>729523957Yeah that’s accurate as fuck
>>729523943for some reason this guy saying 'in days gone by' stuck in my head for weeks
>>729523616He was honest about treating everyone equally, I’ll give him that. Just they’d be equally eaten and the strong would survive in his ideal world.
>>729523943These people never played the game and threads like these make it very apparent... /v/ is not the best place for vidya discussion
>>729524019The "activities" of the side dungeons maybe but not much else. There's enough gimmick variety and they do enough with the actual dungeon layouts and enemy placements that you don't ever feel like you're going through the same place unless you're playing through the game with the notion that it needs to be worse than some other games you feel very strongly about I've seen some people here compare them to Mementos in P5 which is some of the biggest delusion I've ever seen from a mainline simp
>>729523943Nah he just attained a god-like form to visually show how much stronger he’d become. Pretty common anime trope.
>>729507423reminder this twink FUCKED a fairy
>>729524208Do you really not get what the guy talking about the god form is saying? How many animes and games does the villain pull a sephiroth and get a divine styled appearance to show off his power? That’s probably one of the most common things in jrpgs (especially final fantasy games).
>>729523895Not at all, there were quite a few instances of me making it to somewhere I would have gotten to later by jumping aroundIn Metaphor you only ever interact with the dungeon one way and since key management isn't a thing, you also only progress one way, and the gimmicks it has are too simple to do anything with (oh follow the ceiling to get to the bottom, don't get seen by the guards or you get punished with a fight, don't get seen by the baby or you get punished with a fight)I'm fine with a full focus on either world design or dungeon design, just do more than just the bare minimum of putting rooms together
>>729524331He was a little twinky wasn’t he. I kind of wish he kept the prince’s hair. Lack of nuance aside the protagonist was a little bit on the meek side and the hair band did him no favours in that regard.
>>729511412>dog gets kidnapped>the world is an unforgivable hellscape and billions must die
I bought this....
>>729521887>>729522385Louis is complex both because of fanatical obsession with his ideology to the point that you call him out and prove him wrong twice before proving him right anyway and he STILL doubles down. He's also a spiteful and angry cunt who's world view is informed by the tragedy that befell his parents. Despite this, he's extremely competent and refreshingly charismatic and reasonable until his obsession got the better of him. I think it was the possibility of losing to effectively everything he stood against (you) that made him go all in on fucking everyone up. He's rather well written for a chaos route antagonist and I think if we had gone against Rella as an order route antagonist it could have had real potential but Atlus gave up on this game because it simply didn't sell Persona 5 numbers. It did sell enough to get a sequel maybe a few years down the line, but iirc a lot of the game was spent in pre-production on narrowing down a cohesive style and lore rather than actually making the game.
>>729524176I think the big turn on for Zorba in particular is that you didn't have to be physically capable like a roussainte to avoid being turned into a Human, you just needed to be able to deal with your own anxiety >>729524291It was exactly the opposite of this, him turning into a human was proof that he was weaker than he thought he was. The point of the two final boss designs was 1 to show that Louis was mentally stronger than most (the point of the archetype armor is to shield the user from anxiety and the Archdemon archetype had very little armor) but 2 he still couldn't completely transcend his anxiety like he wanted to (him fully turning into a human)
>>729524473Yeah I gotta agree, even the square holes to duck into in each dungeon are the same. Big ones aside, it’s wither basic dungeon with different colour walls, exterior locale with kill x enemy to make bounty appear, or multi floor tower with two closed door rooms prior to the boss and a rooftop with one item on it if you choose to explore more rather than returning to the entrance.
>>729524675>Atlus gave up on this game because it simply didn't sell Persona 5 numberslollmao
>>729523403>>729523745canonically the MC better marry the fairy girlfriend because its shown that by being around you so much she lost her 'fairyness' and can never return to fairy society, so the least you owe her is to bulge her two inch guts out with your pinky
>>729524593Wow it's 1 to 1 scale
>>729524675bro it's been like 3 weeks since they stopped doing marketing or having events for the game? who gave up on it exactly
>>729523776Alright let me explain it in my view then. I agree with you that there is an element of insanity to him but in his view all his actions make sense and lead to a better outcome or put an end to it at least. And who says he is right, he sure isn't in my opinion but there is complexity to his motives and psyche. He is pretty unusual for a villain in how ingrained his principle of merit and fairness influence his actions in the game. Alone how he keeps the party around shows he isn't one to act on suspicion like everyone turned on him when they thought he cursed the prince. He even welcomes the challenge and constantly praises Will for getting stronger and defying adversity. Hence why he even later offers for him to join him. The genoicide itself is not a genoicide but natural selection, he really doesn't care to kill others, he just wants everyone to face their anxiety and overcome it with strenght of will alone. He really thinks once people do that they can unlock true magic and be stronger and build a utopia. That of course would never work out and when Basilio points out that just means he thinks some people are better off dead he gets upset. In his view it is a selfless act to bring about an evolution of mankind with a cruel act. But Louis is already emotionally so detached that he doesn't really feel empathy for anyone anymore hence why he fails in the end. He just wants to make it better for mankind but would sacrifice anyone even himself for that. Ther are so many facets to his character idk how you can just call it black and white. I could write a whole essay on so many points but I feel your opinion is already set.
>>729524473this is kind of just downplaying how much variety there was in the gimmicks compared to normal desuit not following persona's stringent overall structure it's been using for over a decade while keeping the calendar system was also a big positive for folks
>>729524675Louis has the veneer of complexity but is revealed to just be extremely devoted to an utterly asinine ideology. “Nobody should have friends and every day you should have to kill twenty demons to walk to the well” fucking advanced Dagda bullshit. He’s taken “Might makes right, the weak have no intrinsic right to exist” so far as to become hilarious. “Might makes right, and also all the weak and 90% of the strong should become giant demons because that means you need to be even strongerer”.
>>729524675I don’t think doubling down on your plan to genocide most of the world after you’ve already decided this is your goal is all that complex. Louis is just straight up evil. He’s mad. He wants to punish. He figures after his monsters eat the majority of the population he’d make a solid ruler. Dude’s way past walking back because he’s already fed Strohl’s village to a human and it’s not that he’s complex, he just already took that step a few times and he’s 100% sure that he’s cool with that plan because he’s done it and he’s spectacularly evil. He doubles down because he’s already chosen the mass murder route, and he’s comfortable with that.
>>729525023He's under the impression that if Atlus isn't announcing 4 different spinoffs every year, the game floppedThat said, I wouldn't say the game did stellar, I'd say it had a strong opening then hit a lull and ended its run as just ok sales
>>729524675Hashino literally already confirmed in interviews they will take their time to develop the brand which means sequels and maybe a re-release, flopfags are getting tiring...
>>729525283The game itself ends in a way that it could be the end or a lead in for a direct sequel.
>>729525023>Banner ads on reddit and some xitter postsSo much effort
>>729507207I don't care about romance.I want to hang out with my bros Heismay and Strohl.
i have persona at home
>>729525401well I would hope they stay with Will a little bit longer and just make the world bigger with foreign nations. They did already mention them an d th notion of war, I would love a king simulator...
>>729525743Couldn't agree more.
EAT THE FUCKING RICH!I unironically want her to win but i know it's gonna be me
>>729525139He doesn't care about anyone's physical strength dude. You should not be throwing your anxieties back at your ruler and the world sucks as much as it does because of all the weak people that do that instinctively, end up taking power for themselves one day, and that power then corrupting in perpetuity. You should be able to temper your anxieties yourself. If you can do that, you get some freaky appendages with access to human magic, and your neighbors will turn into and/or get eaten by people that couldn't, but you get to live in a world where all the nice sounding things in More's book are actually real and it didn't take countless years of waiting for things to change gradually to get it to happen. That's the whole idea.
>>729507937Skill issue
>>729512107>>729507838>>729511505You will never be a woman nor work for Atlus.
>>729525796I'm personally hoping they stick with the same protagonist and cast and the sequel is just them getting wrapped up in situations on another continent.
>>729523943The game beats you over the head with it, it tries to sell the fantasy of a united world but its not possible, someone will always want more power.Lot of the people in the king contest encapsulates this, they're jsut fighting for themselves.
>>729525551they just ran a voice actor event in Japan that they're reprinting the merch from because it all sold out in November they haven't done it yet but they also want to do more events in the west because of the in-person event that corresponded with the 1 year anniversary that hit maximum capacity on day 1 of registering, which was in October They did 2 runs of the art exhibition, and also the concert (which sold out)
>>729507123Why would I ever play diet persona?
>>729511841This
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?Because you cant date her though...
my only complaint is that you get your powers way too soon and they trivialize combat
>>729525869Anon he needs everyone to kill twenty demons every day to exist. He absolutely cares about physical strength. You just also need the mental fortitude to not care that society just exploded and also the mental fortitude to ignore the brain-hijacking mana that has increased in concentration to such a high degree. The whole idea is that the world turns into hell and then the handful of hypercompetent ultra-mages that can massacre world-ending demons can live unburdened by crying babies on the carriage ride to the burned out capital.
>>729525139>Utterly asanineHe wants to totally remake the world into one where everybody is strong so that the tragedies of his childhood don't come to pass again. More specifically, so that the Elda tribe is also powerful instead of weak pacifists who can't defend themselves. Yes, it's edgy, but he's basically been psyoped between being a child soldier, a victim of genocide, and basically having nothing but yes men around him all the time.>>729525156He clearly considers more than once giving up on his goals or having friends, especially when you BTFO him. I also don't think he full drank the kool-aid of might makes right gas all the people now until you decided to assassinate him and his edgy assistant half-way turned him into a human.
>>729526256And he’s remaking the world where everyone is hypercompetent loners by turning everyone into demons or food for demons. His methodology accomplishes a world that exists as a burned out crater with a handful of isolationist archmages that can kill dragons.
>>729524541Wife material.
Whatever i do i must autistically steal from every new enemy i encounter.
>>729524739>>729525023It's not real marketing, P5 gets rereleases, spinoffs, new story routes, Metaphor basically got released, got a few accolades trailers and thats it. It's not a flop, but it certainly didn't perform to the same level that P5 did. I think at most, it sold SMT 5 levels. Respectable, but for a higher budget game it's something to consider.>>729525283Developing a brand is one thing, but both P5 and SMT 5 got some post release stuff. iirc Atlus isn't in the business of doing re-releases anymore but for a game like this to basically get nothing from Atlus since release is kind of new.
Found the game boring.They didn't commit fully to being a Persona style game even thought that's clearly what they made, and also didn't make the Battle mechanics deep and varied enough like a full on SMT game.half-measures all around.
>>729526487Final fantasy is a dead franchise.
>>729507123Forced myself to play 8 hours of it cus people said it was good. It didn't get good or grab me. It was stupid and repetitive.
>>729526348Well yes, I never said he was right. I just said there were complexities to his character. You btfo and prove him wrong like two to three times. Ultimately, what makes him based is his choice to willingly become a Human to prove his ideology correct. You end up proving his might makes right ideology anyway by being stronger and defeating him in a duel. Yes, the world is no longer at risk at turning into a bombed out crater of a place, but the peace of the land is basically enforced by the might of the king rather than by the cooperation and unity of the people. At least for a while, maybe said unity can contribute to something in the longer term.
>make class system where any character can be any class>no point in even bothering because each character has a hidden super class the game doesn't inform you of until very late in the game that's just their archetype but the final formThe class system basically ends up being a trap and you're best off just developing everyone linearly on their class archetype. It's the illusion of depth.
>>729526152If you mean getting rid of the people that succumbed to anxiety rampaging around afterward, this again is not an issue because of how much you get amped up by the magic when it works. Zorba gets 10xed by the same spell, and all the tribes as they are can use magic because they're all offshoots of humankind (Sanctism was created to conceal this specific fact). >You just also need the mental fortitude to not care that society just exploded Not quite, Louis knows what he actually plans to do won't be popular with everyone among those he does see as worthy and admits there's a good chance the new world is going to label him a destructor king
>>729525132>not following persona's stringent overall structureEverything only happens at a set date in the calendarLike PersonaYou gotta do filler content until due dateLike PersonaYou gotta raise your social skills with repetitive random activities Like PersonaThe social skills don't do anything other than lock off social link levelsLike PersonaThere's at least one social link that has progression locked to storyLike PersonaAnd as insult to injury, you also have a navigator whose purpose is analyzing the enemies you fight Like PersonaEven the simple gimmicks the dungeons had were reminiscent of how P5 did it, Metaphor is Persona wearing a "high fantasy" skinAnd Persona unironically did SLs better by having the worst they lock off be an endgame demon or not having a date for valentines, in Metaphor you're locked out of new classes, passives and skill slots>while keeping the calendar system was also a big positive for folksWhich folks? The calendar system adds absolutely nothing to the game, it would be better off without a calendar system
>>729526549ya no shit.FF has sucked since 13 droppedBut you're just a low IQ nigger who thinks anyone with an opposing opinion is doing so to cope with what they like.
>>729526619But you don’t prove him right, because his ideology isn’t “might makes right”. His ideology is “Society shouldn’t exist because it lates weak people survive”. The world was doing fine before when the king had angst batteries instead of sane and capable rulership. Breaking the angst batteries plunged the world into apocalypse.
>>729525283Because they have nothing else, game sold 1 million on release day and over 1 million more since then without any marketing, DLC, etc, ust by pure word of mouth.
>>729526698No, you don’t get it. It doesn’t matter is society likes him or not. It matter that the survivors can keep a stiff upper lip after everyone they know turns into demons and kills everyone else they know. Otherwise, if they care too much, they also turn into demons.
>>729526256honestly I still can't help but feel sad for Louis. His hometown gets wrecked but at least he has some hope from the book More gave him, works his ass off to rise the military ranks to even get close to the king again and he just throws you under the bus once claims are made about the curse with no proof at all. Pretending to be Clemar he must have constantly be under pressure to be found out and he was unable to trust anyone since they'd hate him as an Elda even if they are nice to him now. Then suddenly the little sheltered prince comes around, finds loyal friends, awakens to ancient magic and has his powerful mother and father at his side to help him. Louis had every right to go mad and be angry at the world with this unfairness. Had More not fumbled then Louis would have never gone off the deep end. I'm still a bit mad the king never ascknowledges this but just gets to reconcile with his wife at the end.
>>729526717>There's at least one social link that has progression locked to storyWhich one is that anon? You can tell me since you definitely played the game. >And Persona unironically did SLs better by having the worst they lock off be an endgame demon or not having a date for valentinesSo you haven't played persona either is what you're saying, because social links in persona have given you all kinds of shit besides just the top tier for specific arcana since P5
>>729526759His ideology is that might makes right, and he tries to prove it by destroying society because he's stronger. He's enforcing a vision through his ideology, and his vision is that society should be destroyed as it allows the weak to survive and contradicts might makes right and survival of the strongest. You're sort of confusing an argument for an ideology I believe.
>>729507123It's all the tedium of Persona with none of the framing that makes said tedium fun. A set calendar that you can literally stare at and go "okie dokie Friday is the Big Day" and going on little hangouts and shit only makes sense and is fun in the context of a school.
>>729526667Retard think you need everyone’s final class plus it’s stupidly easy to get the final class because they just throw exp seeds at you at the end of the game
>>729526943He rails against human connection explicitly. That isn’t an argument, that’s an aspect of his ideology. He thinks having friends is gay and what is society but a net of friends, acquaintances, and others? So lets turn 80% of them into demons.
>>729526104Save a higher resolution picture >>729518345.
>>729526854I do get it, what you did was change what you said so it means something different
>>729526878Louis's life is kind of fucked, though the game does point out to you that he had more than a couple of capable allies who wouldn't have cared he was Elda anyway, like the half-breed, the dog dudes, the singer. He was simply too deep of an ideologue to see what he was doing and recontextualize stuff. At least I believe that was the case until you beat him, and then he does recontextualize things. It's just that he basically gets proven right more than once in a row when that happens so he decides "Well, I guess I may as well keep going anyway as it's too late for me."
>>729507123its just a bad game>areas and chara models looks straight out of ps2 era>character designs are awful(especially the elf)>nonhumans are just humans with a small quirk attached>combat is the usual easy dogshit in persona, just that you are locked to 1 archtype>story is the usual pacifist faggotry that makes no sense>it crashes completely in the last half anyway, even though it was never goodif it wasnt for atlus brandcucks and sub 80 iq weebs that buy anything hyped up no one would have played it.
>>729526996>thinkHe’s not arguing they are necessary, he’ arguing they completely invalidate the class system. He’s right, the royal archetypes are all that is worth using with the exception of merchant that breaks the game.
>>729507123>Why does /v/ hate this game again?If /v/ hates it so much why are there barely any threads to shit on it? Just like there were barely any threads for SMT5 and the PRemakes.At this point Atlus has their fanbase which will buy whatever they release and the people who aren't fans who will ignore any FATlus game, this isn't the PS3 era anymore.
Impregnating the fairy.
>>729526439both Persona and SMT are established franchises, of course they plan a lot ahead. Metaphor was a new installment, they have to wait if people like it, it sells and what about it is well-received. It sold great with 2-3 million now and was bombarded with awards and praise. As >>729526078 points out there are a lot of events already, new games will just take time since the direction needs to be carefully planned and again it's been a little over a year lol, how long have people been waiting for Persona 6 again? Most Persona spin-offs are low-effort trash, best one was maybe Strikers. Royal also took 3 years to come after, so why is Metaphor regarded with such scrutiny?
>>729527074>you need to be physically strongBecause you need to kill hundreds of demons>you need to be mentally strongBecause if you care too much about your child turning into a demon and killing it, you also turn into a demon. If you care, demon. This literally killed the old world.
>>729527213Metaphor had 5x as many threads as either of those games did easily though, SEAs were malding out the ass and thought they could make the game flop through spreading fake word of mouth which then didn't happen
>>72952485699% sure he has one queen and like 3 wives with Euphausia being the queen and Brigitta, Catherina, and Hulkenberg being wives seeing how all of them say they love the MC
>>729527171Okay.
>>729527291We already addressed the physical strength point as to why that doesn't matter when the Eldan magic is shown to work the way it does on Zorba. And yes I agree that you have to be mentally strong, because that's literally what I was saying in the first place. You just don't have to be entirely uncaring that the world just ended, which was what you originally said and I refuted
I really liked the Gauntlet Runner mechanic, where you had to plan your destinations in advance, hope they use it in the next Persona game
>>729526928>Which one is that anon? You can tell me since you definitely played the game.Gallica By technicality there's also Neuras since you can only advance his bond by finding random shit in dungeons you have no access to until later in the story (which also makes Gunner lag behind like fuck) and totally-not-the-king is similar in that aspect but I'll give those a pass>because social links in persona have given you all kinds of shit besides just the top tier for specific arcana since P5There's only been P5 since but I'll grant you that much, I think Persona also had passives locked behind ranks for party members
>>729527298Jungle asians should stick to their gacha games they play on a 7 year old huawei phone.
>>729527045Based, frankly. He's a pure Chaos-chad.
>>729527213We still have daily threads, mainly from tendies who yet cant play the game. And there were multiple seethe threads before the demo dropped, aswell after last years TGA
>>729527279Metaphor came out after SMTV-Vengeance, so I think the question of Atlus transparency regarding the IP is pretty valid.
>>729527385Zorba was a fucking arch-necromancer. He was strong before the humanization. He was always strong, his methodology of strength was simply not respected before. You need to be basically utterly unaffected by the world ending and replacing your life with an eternal fight for survival, because nobody without insane emotional control or actual psychopathy won’t have a bad week, and if you have a bad week and have a cry you are a demon.
I'm 3 hours in to the demo, I think it's pretty neat, I like the art alot
>>729527640Run away if you care about spoilers.
>>729527640Enjoy yourself anon pretty fun game I enjoyed myself a lot playing it
>metatroons crying because they aren't the favorite child of FAtlus btw your JRPG for the people who hates JRPG's is mediocre slop lolel.
>>729527574Zorba got a huge buff from having the magic cast on him. This is how it works. And I'll repeat myself again all the tribes can already use magic, and what the human magic is doing is amplifying that massively by letting each person be their own royal scepter. A lot of the rest of this is exaggeration I think, one it's not going to be constant fighting once the beginning settles and two you're literally allowed to have emotions, otherwise Zorba would've succumbed a dozen times between getting converted and when he died because he was still the big gay (constantly jealous of the prince because Louis still wouldn't acknowledge him the way he wanted)
>>729527787>btw your JRPG for the people who hates JRPG'sAtlus made Expedition 33?
>>729527640Music is mostly also great.During certain boss fights is stopped playing just to listen to the theme.
>>729507123When is it getting its Definitive Edition remake? I want to play it already. But I don't want to invest into an inferior version.
>>729527976The human magic either has no effect, turns you into an insane demon, or turns you into an insane half-demon. Being affected by it under no circumstances let you retain full control, and you can literally see this in the final fight, where Louis gets into ONE fucking equal fight and can’t maintain enough emotional control to not turn into a giant demon that has racism magic. Nobody just gets out of it okay. It just stops the scepter from drawing emotional instability so everyone remaining is either a demon, demon food, or a hermit-warrior.
>>729528068The music for this game was pretty incredible. If I had one complaint, the filler dungeons were mostly mediocre outside of two of them and the towers were among the worst parts of the game.
>>729527640You are just pretending to like it.
>>729528068Bro the music was the weakest partI think the only two tracks (that weren't poached from a better OST) were https://youtu.be/kA01-rVm6Pc and the flight theme
>>729507373>love E33????? Have you just been ignoring /v/ the last few weeks? There are more threads shitting on the game and random comments shitting on the game despite no connection to the OP. I haven't seen any other site with as much concentrated hate for E33 than here.
>>729507123Final Fantatroons malding
>>729528171Sega said Atlus is never doing full price rereleases again because it hurt their overall sales.Why would people even buy the game if a fully completed 70 dollars rerelease is going to happen down the line is their perfectly justifiable logic. They'll just do regular dlc expansions from now on.
>>729518789Japan has always had an issue with cults ruining peoples lives, like the Unification church where they send japanese women to korean men to get cucked.
>>729526104>>729518345>pay meShould be the other way around — her social link scenes are pretty much she paying you to hang out with her.
>>729528068https://youtu.be/L7GpvjMXKuU?si=gvVh5EVVc9au2abs
>>729528407>Sega said Atlus is never doing full price rereleases again because it hurt their overall sales.This was already my assumption, and then I got cucked by Royal and then again by Vengeance. Two games I should have completely ignored until the real release came. I do NOT want to go through this yet again. I got cucked on the old Persona games too by the way, but back then I didn't know better. I should not have gotten fooled again but I did. I refuse to get fucked over yet another time.
>>729528205Zorba isn't an insane half-demon though? He's in control and can still feel things like jealousy and rejection without losing his form which I guess you're conceding is the case. I'm not saying that you aren't at risk of losing your form down the line, it's just not as totally impractical as you're trying to say it is to undermine the whole idea.
>>729509504>>729507937>atlus cantdei strikes
>>729528068this post kills the schizos
>>729528407they worded it more soft they didn't say never at all, they just understand it is a model that people hate and want to tone it down. Again that interview dropped and what released recently? A re-release of yakuza 0 so how can one believe in what Sega says. Hashino himself when asked about a re-release avoided the question and said it is TBD
>>729528587Yea and she even gives you money after you get high enough rank
>>729507207You can "polish your swords" with Strohl
>>729528865So the game gives you a sugar mami?
>>729528665Zorba was literally always insane. The only half-human that maintained a modicum of sanity was Louis, and he fails in his first fight.
>>729528587>Her optimism and smile restored.It was a nice questline.
>>729528589I prefer the one where you get the sky version, it's great.
>game sets him up from the start as a cold blooded sociopath who believes the end justifies the means and is willing to do anything to achieve his goals>halfway into the game he gets his hands on a relic that allows him to bypass the kings magic and basically murder ever other competitor untill he can become king>refuses to do use it and throws it away because ???????Cant believe people convinced me he was a good villain
>>729528804If you already owned Y0 you got the rerelease for free so it's a step up in a way from buying SMT5 twice at full price.
>>729529190>sky versionpls no spoilers, I didn't get that far yet
>>729529161I wish you could SMASH half of these girls.
>>729529356Nah they made you buy the Y0 downgrade. It was a very unpopular move.
>>729529207Why would he use it anon?
>>729529376Leave the thread retard, spoilers are out in the open like how Louis LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE
>>729529376Anon, I... I'm sorry though legitimately. Anyway, I'm not providing you with context don't worry. I'll link the song though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFQW8VxxFAETitle is even in Japanese
I don't understand this notion that Louis suddenly becomes comically evil in the final act of the game. Throughout the entire game he's promoting a civilization of Darwinian morality where the strong are allowed to trample over the weak by virtue of their strength. That's already an abhorrent moral outlook and is tantamount to amoral anarchism. I'm not seeing the sudden paradigm shift when he then decides to also include the right of the super strong to outlive the moderately strong.
I'm still sad this mediocre game overshadowed the incredible Romancing SaGa 2 remake, Revenge of the Seven.
>that one schizo completely obsessed with this game that he calls everyone that dislikes it or says anything bad about it "the same person"loljust let it go that the game is mediocre
>>729529207I wish they showed more game when you join him before getting a simple game over.Why can't I get the proper bad ending?Seeing your actions doom the whole kingdom would be great.
>>729528804I'll say this again but the only time Atlus has ever said they won't do a re-release is with P3R. SEGA recently responded to an investor about lower FY2026 sales for games released in past fiscal years across the board compared to FY2025 which was where the definitive edition thing came up as a possibility alongside their marketing that they acknowledged wasn't great.Personally I would blame the marketing way more than the existence of definitive versions, because 1) launch sales have been record breaking for both RGG and Atlus, and for Atlus specifically Metaphor broke the launch sales record of another game that Atlus said would not have a rerelease upfront (P3R) so people waiting for a definitive edition is definitely not a factor there 2) Yakuza game marketing is always all over the damn place from being in your face (7) to almost nonexistent (8), and then in the case of Atlus P3R was marketed way more than Metaphor was, including a whole plan for post launch support, and Metaphor ended up beating P3R's 1.25 year sales milestone that was bolstered in late 2024 by the Aigis expansion in just 6 months and all the marketing has been basically isolated to Japan since. This is also the reason I think they were very quick to say that they would consider doing more metaphor events in the west when the anniversary one filled up that quickly.
>>729529520Because there’s a leap between “the will of the strong should be unshackled by the cries of the weak” and “FRIENDS ARE GAY NIGGA FAMILY IS GAY NIGGA BAM YOUR BABY IS A GOBLIN, BAM YOUR WIFE IS A FUCKED UP BIRD, FIGHT ALL OF THEM AND IF YOU GET SAD YOU’RE A FAG”
I hope Hashino's new game is a sequel which continues directly where the game left off, I want to see Will pacifying the other continents.
Metaphor bombed.
>>729528068I liked the music at first, but after several hours it started doing my head in.Virga Island flat out made me mute the music whenever I visited it, the vocals drove me fucking nuts.>>729528407I wouldn't believe Sega at all. >removed yakuza 0 on steam so they can sell the more expensive directors cut only>owners of yakuza 0 get offered some shit ty paid upgrade offered as if this was a good thing>removed kiwami 1 and 2 to sell new versions that add some text translations>new kiwami 2 is given out to those who own the original free>new kiwami 1 wasn't given out for free>instead offer kiwami 1 owners a cheap paid upgrade>also not even save compatibleThose Kiwami ones should have just been free patches, instead they're literally trying to get £1.70 out of me to "upgrade" to this new Kiwami 1.
>>729529520It's because in the early game /v/chuds think they're getting a strong guy that will overthrow their government for them without them having to worry too much about it, then in the late game it turns out that everyone taking a bite of the shit sandwich is the point and they don't like that because they know they would be instantly filtered.It's why anyone with this opinion would have the exact opposite view of Maruki in P5R because he is giving an easy way out
>>729529520Like anon says >>729529768 there's a pretty big leap from his somewhat understandable initial viewpoint that the weak should fear the strong and that might makes right as he demonstrates it, even in announcing he himself killed the King. Then we go into how that actually plays out, and the guy basically makes no exception for loyalty or history other than immediate alignment, actions, and strength. He goes very much mask off near the last third of the game, even if he's implied to already be a psychopath by the time you get the lance. Of course, this is before we hear his plan to forcefully humanify the entirety of the continent/world so that the truly strong become sentient weapons of calamity/humans and rule. It goes from moderately thought out chaos-lite politics to full chaos-chad fuck society.
Strohl is still best Atlus boy
>>729529768Can you control your anxiety?Can you family control their anxiety? If you answered yes to both then congrats, everyone gets a new tentacle arm that can crush things and you get to have an election in 4 years that won't be rigged for once
This metaphorfag reminds me of Caramel in a way. Soon he'll be saying that Metaphor:ReRoyal will come any time soon for at least 10 years
>>729530158Can you control your anxiety (during an apocalyptic event where 70% or more of the world turns into hyperpowerful demons). No, motherfucker. No I cannot. The strongest (mental and physical) man you know would have a bad week. There’s a difference between “emotional control” and “complete emotional disconnection”.
>>729530086>no exception for loyalty or historyyeah it's almost like we're breaking the world to make everyone equal when equality is normally impossible or something
>>729527237In my headcanon, they live out their days as Human King and Fairy Queen, just like the 2 fairies in the Sanctum mentioned
>>729530208is "the metaphorfag" in the room with us right now?
>>729530423Especially funny he says this in a thread about Metaphor lol
>>729507185y'know, it kind of did. I enjoyed P5 and SMTV more (haven't bought the rerelease editions yet...)Metaphor was still good.
I'm on the main quest to infiltrate the airship and steal the curse formula and the entire dungeon sounds really complicated. I still have 20 days to go till it starts.
>>729530158Louis, a psycopath, can’t control his emotions long enough in one fucking fistfight with a twink and his friends. Everyone else is fucked.
>>729530729so in other words he couldn't control his anxiety. ok
>>729530123I liked that he's actually competent and smart.
>>729530801Yeah, the least anxious man in the world got in one tough fight and failed. The fuck does anyone else have for a chance under much worse conditions?
>>729530590It's a shitty half hour stealth mission don't stress out too much
>>729530086>>729529768I don't think it's an absurd leap at all, I think it's the logical end point of the world he was promoting throughout the entire game, where the weak would be subject to horrible, excruciating fates at the will of the strong. You are sympathetic to this ideology, or at least understanding of it, while it only effects those beneath you, and take objection once the full scope of his plan reveals that you may be among the Weak and suffer their fate because the Strong, Louis, will sit so. It's a leap in scale, but not in principle, and I'd argue the fact that you view it as such a disparity says more about you and your moral outlook than it does about the character.
>>729530883Zorba was less anxious and that's just one other guy
>>729530928Motherfucker even Louis failed to be “the strong”, because he got a little emotionally unbalanced during a life or death battle. His “turn everyone into demons, including anybody emotionally effected by everyone turning into demons” plan is hilariously evil and with no end goal other than a handful of terminally autistic psychopath archmages can live in peace in their wizard towers where they don’t have to be bothered by salespeople.
>>729530935Zorba had his whole sense of self tied to Louis, and Louis failed, if Zorba hadn’t gotten his ass beat, he would have human’s out the second Louis did. Zorba was a religious zealot for a single man, the most severe one seen.
>>729530343Every competent leader, even chaos chads, at least reward loyalty and positive history.>>729530928Not an absurd leap, but logical end points typically don't spiral from current ideologies in a single generation the way they did with Louis. I don't think it's disparate at all, I just think it's unlikely for Louis himself to jumping from his initial position to the logical conclusion. Usually, it's more likely and personally better for a story when a successor character to take to extremism that way.I don't support Louis, though I like Chaos routes in games, but the rate at which he goes mask off was genuinely impressive. It's like a politician telling you he wants to eat all the babies half a month before the election begins when previously he was just somewhat of a neo-con.
>>729530928that's usually how it goes desuWhat people really actually unironically want is a dictator that they can vote in and out every few years at little risk to them and the exact kind of accelerationism Louis is written to depict is super popular in the west now especially but most people in favor of that don't really understand how the ass end of that actually would impact them It's funny how every fucking time Hashino puts out a game something like this happens. And no Americans didn't vote for Shido in 2016 before anyone gets on me for that shit they voted for him in 2020>>729531140nah Zorba would've probably taken Louis' skull to bed every night and had 0 relapse
>>729529384But the game doesn't explicitly say that you can't (like modern Obsidian games for example). As far as I'm concerned you can smash all of the them after the story is over.
>>729530883I'd say Louis is constantly full of anxiety and that is why he was such a powerful mage. Look at Rella she is also full of anxiety and the second strongest mage in the country, I'd say there is a correlation to being on edge but not falling prey to your anxiety and your magic output. Louis was just fucked with taking on the loaded royal sceptre and then faltering for a moment. That isn't the normal dosage of anxiety one wouled get.
>>729531272Nah, Zorba was pining for a cock that ceased to exist, you would have gotten a giant skeleton man walking around resurrecting louis-zombies.
>>729507232This plebbit 33 is the most overrated game ever made
>>729531360Zorba in the dlc with zombified Louis soon I hope
