Hope developers will learn from "Focus, M", just like they did with Zanzibart
Has been three years and Soulsborne fans have been unable to discredit that tweet or just get over it.
>>729515990Most souls fans agree with that meme and think its funny
PAUL ZANZIBLARTMALLMIDON OF LOSS PREVENTION
The only game devs that "learnt" anything from that tweet is Borderlands and High On Life.AKA bad games
>>729516475>The only game devs that "learnt" anything from that tweet is Borderlands and High On Life.Really? How so?
What's there to learn. They don't even make Splinter Cell and Metal Gear anymore.
>>729514507>Focus, Mqrd?
>>729515990>>729516258I only vaguely remember it at this point but wasn't there some interview where FromSoft devs or even Miyazaki himself talked about this and they said that the Souls settings are inspired by memories of reading foreign fantasy literature and only really understanding bits and pieces of it, and more just being sucked in by the general atmosphere? The story being vague and needing to be pieced together is baked in from the outset.I kind of see the same thing in some games made in my country of origin, the Internet jokes that Finnish games are the works of mad genius that are obsessed with meticulous detail and esoteric secrets, but I just see it as a logical outcome when the local games industry is manned by people who liked computer games from a young age but those games must have seemed like mystifying puzzle boxes to be solved before gaining proficiency in English or other foreign languages since hardly anything was ever translated and localised.
>>729516848https://youtu.be/MsDyUxJgNX4
>>729514507dark souls didn't revolutionize that idea because the story has never been the relevant part of dark souls. the relevant part of dark souls has always been the exploration of levels and defeating the bosses. the story is so irrelevant that the majority of it is just headcanon interpretations by the fans. even the developers of the souls games themselves don't care that much for the plots they create
This dude crumpled under the pressure and backpedaled. Literally probably the one time in his life he is so right about anything, and absolutely bodies an entire fanbase, and he can't handle the heat.
>>729516258No they don't. It basically ruined the games for everyone so they get beyond mad if you post Zanzibart.
>>729516258most souls fans get absolutely analdevastated by this, which is how you know it's 100% true
>>729517397>it's an absurd caricature and doesnt fully reflect how soulsbornering does storytellingIt isn't and it does. That's why the guy was forced to backpedal and apologize: they would have stabbed him otherwise.
>>729514507>lil faggy was so excited about reposting this that he actually went back to the twitter profile and took a new photo of the tweet judging from the changed profile pic
>>729517397>>729518012You know people are assblasted when they go off topic and start arguing like women.
>>729514507>just like they did with ZanzibartLOL
>>729518081>>729517442is the alleged loss of popularity of souls games reflected in fromsoft sales
>>729517442>>729517850You're arguing with people who don't play video games.
>>729518212nobody is alleging there is any loss of popularity, are you mentally deficient?
>>729517442>>729514507ROBAAAAAAAAAAATOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>729518332>It basically ruined the games for everyone
>>729518289So the gay fantasy borderland dlc?
>>729517442>>729517850People were making this joke as early as ds1. there were probably people saying it about demon souls also. posting this xitter tweet from 2022 like its some bold statement is a newfag three finger moment
>>729515990What credit does a Borderlands writer hold? Mind you From hasn't made a good game since 2011.
>ask for examples of good storytelling, since apparently souls games are so terrible>it's usually some tranime JRPG or kojimaslop
>>729518449>ITS NOT EVEN REALLY A GOOD JOKE IM NOT MAD
>>729516258>literal borderlands humor>funnyYou probably laughed at Butt Stallion.
>>729518498are you retarded? it is a good joke. ur claiming it killed fromsoft fans, but they were making that exact joke over a decade ago on here. that joke has been posted on every ds lore video since the game dropped
>>729514507>just like they did with Zanzibart???
>>729518595>ITS SUCH AN OLD JOKE IM NOT MAD
>>729517442>>729517850>most souls fans get absolutely analdevastated>they get beyond mad if you post ZanzibartI usually see people having a good time when Zanzibart gets posted thoughbeit.
>>729518212While people were already getting tired of Souls, that twitter was pretty much the catalyst for the genre's fall from grace.It's what Airplane! did for air disaster movies: it made people realize how stupid those movies are; in the same way Zanzibart made people open their eyes about how stupid Souls games are and how they never deserved the attention they got.
>>729518679is it reflected in sales
>>729518631learn to read. retarded homo fag
He was, unfortunately, correct.
>>729518679>that twitter was pretty much
>ask souls fans to explain the story of any particular souls game to you after they just played it for 50 hours>"umm one sec let me watch vaatividya"many such cases
>no downtime during gameplay where you just follow some npc while he talks for several minutes like in gta or rdr2>not wasting budget on stupid shit like hiring expensive celebrity actors and mocapping them>no virtue signalling or agenda pushing.>playing for story in vidya is retarded, but it's still there in the item descriptions if you wanna be an autist about it. yep, im thinking based. westoid vidya cant even begin to compare
>>729516258Expedition 33 did a completely straight played sincere Zanzibart moment as an homage and it swept awards
>>729518289The camera zooms in. A freeze-frame title card slams onto the screen with a Dubstep "WUB-WUB" noise.> VARRE - PROFESSIONAL DICKHEAD"Wooooow. Look at what the metaphysical fog puked out! You're a Tarnished, right? Here for the Elden Ring? The big shiny? The circular mc-guffin?""I'm looking at your stats, buddy, and yikes. I haven't seen numbers that low since I audited Godrick's tax returns. But the worst part? The absolute kicker?"(pulls out a megaphone)"YOU! ARE! MAIDENLESS!""Zero maidens! None! You are rocking a solid zero-point-zero percent romantic efficiency rating! No guidance, no runes, no invitation to the cool kids' table at the Roundtable Hold. You're basically gonna die in a ditch, like, five minutes from now. And it's gonna be HILARIOUS."
>>729518679LFMAO You retards vastly overestimate how many people actually cared for this dudes tweet. Spoiler: outside of it living rent free in your heads, nobody gave a shit and everybody just laughed and moved on.
>>729518845Video game writing is cringe. 99.99% of fiction is cringy in general skipping every cutscene and text box improves the gaming experience.
>>729518845>go into fromsoft thread>everyone discussing gameplay builds/bosses/etc>noooooooooooo what about the storyIf we wanted something more story focused we'd play a VN or a movie game, like E33(shallow story btw).
>>729518961>but it's still there in the item descriptions if you wanna be an autist about itIt's not, there is no story. There is the implication of a story.Souls games are the LaCroix of storytelling. Is it raspberry flavored? It could be. Hard to say. The can says so.
>>729518981When I saw that I cheered, I shouted, I fist-pumped the air, I cried, I stood and cheered. It's absolutely everything that you would hope it was gonna be.
The only two writers for Borderlands that I know of are Anthony Burch and this guy. This one in particular is assblasted because his writing is dogshit, his jokes are unfunny, and he seethes that From can do 90% less work than him and be praised for it instead of mocked like him.
>>729518845I've played those games for (literally) thousands of hours and I've never bothered with the lore or even cared about.I just like the games how they play, how you're having adventures on a hostile world.
>>729519090>there is no storyBASEDDEATH TO MOVIE LOVERS
>>729519027>fromsoft threadthis is a shitpost thread made by discord faggots who want to shit on fromsoft
>>729518985Congrats, this is the most cringe thing I've ever read in my life
Its honestly a good and unique way to do video game storytelling that takes advantage of the medium since actual stories are ALWAYS done better in actual literature
>>729519271Well, that was the goal... We're mocking the guy aren't we?
>>729519116And still he's right.Sometimes you need a clown to spot the joke.
>>729519337That's why I congratulated Anon instead of calling him a slur
>>729519360It's okay. You can say it this time. Here is the pass.
you know he's right when people choose to criticize him instead of his argumentzanzibart bros keep winning
>>729519360>That's why I congratulated Anon instead of calling him a slurWhere do you think we are? Why not both?
>>729519471The man writes for Borderlands, I want to criticize how he pours water.
>>729516416I remember unironically enjoying this movie despite the memes .
>>729516475Was that before or after he held up a game conference so he could spend about 15 minutes singing about how totally not mad he was about a tweet?
>>729519521I'm sure you do, you are very mad.
>>729519548>Die Hard but mallI haven't seen it yet, but sounds like a decent flick.
>>729519279but it isn't story telling, it's faking a story that doesn't exist in the first place, in small amounts this can be effective worldbuilding: A character mentions a in-universe book or historical event but doesn't elaborate, but if it's only that and also on this level of surface "X, forgive me...." it's just fake depth.
>I don't have anything to say to refute this but so I will instead attack him for writing for the Borderlands gamesThe ol' "woman who is losing an argument" strategy.
>>729514507Everyone played souls games, nobody played your new metroid game.
>>729519860Why do you think that depth in dark souls game is fake? The way I see it, they designed a detailed setting and instead of shoving it in player's face they just scattered bits of it around for interested to find.
>>729519936Here's a refutation: what's wrong with a game having a minimalist story, or none at all? If you want to watch a movie, go back to jerking off Uncharted with the rest of the snoys.
>>729514507Darks Souls is just more old school and cryptic. The absolute best thing about them is you can straight up ignore the story bits 100%, which was revolutionary when they came out.
>>729519860>show don't tell>nooooooooo not like that>>729519936>I will ignore everyone's refutations and focus only on criticisms of the borderlandsfag The ol' "tranny who is losing an argument" strategy.
>>729519936People credited for Borderlands shouldn't even be allowed to live.
>that particular video was around a year ago>some ""voice actor"" claims it, and gets all of the attentionThese people are parasites.
Focus, M
>>729520007Nothing wrong with it. The Souls games are good. Just stop praising the story. It's not a real thing.
>>729514507But soulslikes are more popular than ever
>>729515990Well, apart from the that that the Miyazaki souls games usually do contain an explanation for who "Zanzibart" is, and you just have to pay attention.
Didn't FromSoftware basically keep on doing it in the DLC because they're like "Yeah, we love that shit. We think it's funny."
How much influence does the zeitgeist of twitter even have anyways? Only about 30% of the us uses twitter
>>729514507He's not wrong, but I don't know why people act like it's a bad thing. It invokes imagination and has people thinking and connecting the dots. Being a stranger in a world whose civilization is coming to a close, you're not going to find complete truths or straightforward answers.What I don't like is FromSoft using items as lore dumps. How the fuck are you suppose to know Bumblefuck McGee was a loyal servet to Lord Chesterfield the 3rd that was betrayed by his unnamed assistant in a ploy for power by picking up a fucking ring you found on a corpse in the middle of a swamp.
>>729519860>it's just fake depth.>game doesn't force lore down your throat through constant exposition from NPCsThe games don't try to be deep. It just sounds like you're mad that you're not getting attention/money from making dumb lore videos.
>>729516878>Sincere post in ironic bullcrap threadYou deserve a (you)
>>729520148I will praise the minimalist storytelling because it makes movie lovers seethe uncontrollably.
>>729520216>How much influence does the zeitgeist of twitter even have anywaysIf you have a big enough follower count you can directly ask for boons from Trump.
>>729516878A philosophy that might work for some games but it didn't work for Sekiro, a game with a rather simple plot still ends up being a lot of nonsense.
>>729515990>>729516878the japanese can't write
Point me to which line in Dark Souls is supposedly a nonsensical reference to non-existent lore.Is it the part where the guy said "I can teach you pyromancy. That's fire magic, that is"?Is it the part where the guy said "I'm stuck in this cage. Could you help me out?"What are you struggling with, exactly?
>>729520259that is a lot of head-canon you built there bro. That's why you are impressed by the line: "Malthrezz should've been king...." without ever knowing which king and who Malthrezz is and why he would be a good king.
>>729520493Are you assuming that the guy who wrote for borderlands ever played Dark Souls?
>>729520298It's not minimalist storytelling. It's no storytelling.
>>729520061it's the exact opposite, it's tell not show, are you retarded? They imply a deep relationship/backstory between character A and B but never show it. It's like the line: "Hi Mark, you are my best friend."
>>729514507The response to the Zanzibart thing was basically just >Yeah we love that kind of thingWhich is why countless, unironic Zanzibart memes were made. But people don't unironically love the type of shit Focus M parodies.
>>729520664>That's why you are impressed byThat is a lot of head-canon you built there bro. I never said I was impressed by the minimalist story-telling. I just like it when games don't waste my time with exposition lore dumps or try to make me give a shit about faggot side character that I can tell they'll kill off later to try to force me to feel sad.
>>729516258>>729515990>>729520347Forced meme
>>729520719The story of Dark Souls is that the world is sustained by a central flame, and at the end of every age it starts to go out, and a person has to sacrifice themselves to the flame to keep it going, or the world will fall into darkness.It's not even remotely complicated.
>>729520758>They implySounds like not telling to me.
>>729518728The DLC adding 5 more "FORGIVE ME"s is so fucking funny to me
Why is it that the fag who for some reason think that Zanzibart makes fans mad, actually get real fucking mad when you point out how fans actually find Zanzibart funny and enjoys what it parodies?
>>729514507A single meme like Zanzibart didn't change industry trends.
>>729521092Because they got filtered by Dark Souls, and don't want to believe they might have missed out on a great game (they did).
>>729514507>"Focus, M"The fuck is this?
>>729521092Autists are incapable of accepting that other people may feel a different way about things than them. Also their favorite autist game probably got beat by Fromsoft games in sales/awards/popularity.
Zanzibart is a good meme because that really is what Souls lore is like but unironically is a good thing to discover the story for yourself through item descriptions, environments, scans, etc...Focus M is literally the opposite of this and it's the most obnoxious patronizing thing ever in games. Its directly tied to "millennial writing" which is just the worst
>>729520719which is why they are good. if they were constantly exposition dumping and cutscene shoving, sure, a certain segment might like it better, but they sure won't be better games.
>>729521539>Focus MWhat's this refer to? Something from Prime 4?
>>729517397>haha it's funnny but it's not actually trueuh uh, it is and its the same shit in every gameEveryone knew that ER when you met that Maiden in the south, that asks you to deliver a message to her brother that either she or her brother will be dead.The retarded part about this is that you can't do shit about it. You don't care about her other than that she is attractive and vulnerable and they kill her off for a cheap dramatic effect.You can divide all character motivations in like 3 types
>>729520719The story insists upon itself.
Personally I thought it was funny. When's dark souls 4?
>>729521637Another Nintendo hire this man clip showed up and two people voiced over it.
>>729521637it's a high level Mahjong playhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwSGrOknXEWhy is everyone too retarded to read the comma
>>729516258And the BL writer got annoyed about everyone laughing about it. Because everyone knows that yeah it's written like that but there's other things and implications that make it interesting.And he will never write something as effectively or garner that kind of attention. This tweet was his fifteen minutes of seethe.
>>729520194This. People's attention span and literacy are shot to shit
Reminder that he killed it as in Borderlands 4 there is a guy called Zanzibart you kill, and the name of the mission was Forgive Me!
>>729522349
Does nobody perceive the guy replying to himself? He makes fun of Zanzibart and somehow he is more embarrassing than the thing he makes fun of...there has to be at least another person who could reply to him.. You can't possibly let the Borderlands writer somehow have more dignity than him...
>>729522349>beating the one joke you ever made into the groundSounds like a Borderlands writer.
why are mods deleting posts critical of/laughing at winkler
>>729522562Its the same guy samefagging, apparently.
>>729522616damage control
>>729522562They get paid by gearbox.
The story of any souls game is:>defeat those creatures to become the god of this worldEverything else is just made-up nonsense.
>>729523698apart from all of this shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5X-5Fdig_k
>>729522073>And the BL writerSam Winkler is a Boy's Lover writer?It's all coming together.
