Keyboard or controller?>W-Well it depen-Answer the fucking question
>>729517150the thing is that it fucking depends anon
>>729517150always kbmliterally every game involves precision and speed and it just outclasses a controller in every way
>>729517150>no mousewell id have to pick controller i guess but if keyboard + mouse i'd take that
it does depend, but for me its the controller because im a jrpg and action fag.
>>729517150>waa waa I'm too stupid to get a situational answerkeyboard
>>729517150Depends on the game. People who play third person action with kbm for instance do not understand video games or how they are designed or played
>>729517150I use controller unless the game only works with keyboard.
Controller for play, kbm for work
>>729517150kbm
>>729517150controller
kb for the most part, controller/wheel/joystick for specific games
>>729517403Did you ever try it? i beat totk with kbm. You use the mouse to control the camera. it's smooth af
Controller for work, keyboard for play
>>729517438controller for kiddies, keyboard for grown men
>what's 2+2 and don't give me any of that 4 shit
I spend 5ish hours a day with keyboard and mouse for work. When I'm done I don't want to be in the same position, so I use controller for everything
>>729517501Oh wow you use the mouse to control the camera??? That clears it all up You're third world and don't have a controller right
>>729517150Controller on pc for basically everything except MMO and grand stratagy
>>729517150It does not depend for meI can't play with KB+M because I've carpal tunnel
>>729517403mouse is infinitely superior to right thumb stickt. plays on both
Keyboard and mouse. Every time. I can't think of a single game that is better experienced playing with a controller (excluding games that just have very poorly ported controls, e.g. Dead Space, Dark Souls 1, etc.) but I can think of a lot of game that are basically unplayable with a controller.
>>729517150A lot of games sabotage KBM by not including hotkeys, fucking up rebinds, adding mouse acceleration or other bullshit.Something like a 360 style controller is almost always dead last in terms of how good it is, it is a shit controller that would lose out to an N64 trident with a gyro.>>729517403People who play third person games with free camera controls have shit taste anyway, so it doesn't matter. Third person is for fixed and competent cameras only, I'm not going to control the cuck cam.
>>729517269Ain't no way I'd ever play rollslop with a kb/m. Sounds fucking awful
>>729517150>no mousecontroller, I guess.With mouse, it's kbm. Easy choice.
The fact that people are using keyboards for fighting games now, when I was mocked for doing so and enjoying far more than a controller back in 1999 on emulation annoys me to no end. Much like how anime has become mainstream, it pisses me off so much.
>>729517745>>729517786You can't control your character as designed in third person games with keyboard This is an age thing, no actual classic gamer plays third person etc with keyboard but lots of zoomer pagpags do
>>729517786I think all of the souls-like games are better on a controller. Did you seriously play Elden Ring on a keyboard?
>>729517889>This is an age thingI'm over 50 years old. I always opt for keyboard and mouse over controller. It's not an age thing.
>>729517889I agree but the moment a third person game requires me to aim a weapon in some capacity I'd rather just use a mouse instead
It depends and it doesn't matter if you don't want to hear that. But 90% of the time i use controller,multiplayer shooters are objectively better on mouse of course but i barely ever play those, and rts is retarded to play on a controller other than maybe halo wars
>>729517856You still don't play fg with a keyboard it's gay and feels bad. Who the fuck cares what literal niggers chasing ranks do?
>>729517150no wonder people thing controller is good if they have that little mouse space and that kind of keyboard
>>729517889Yeah OK, when games start using fixed or developer-controlled camera again we'll use controllers.
>>729517267FPBP
>>729517823I beat Dark Souls 1 with kb/m several years ago after years of playing it with a controller, it's actually not that bad
>>729517889>This is an age thingI'm over 30, when I was a teen the idea of playing PC games with a controller was laughable today it's normal and more or less expectedThe reason why soulshit controls badly with mouse is because it's a bad port, play a third person game that isn't utter garbage and try using a mouse again
>>729517947Damn nigga you're old. Great unc mf lmaoooo
>>729517150Keyboard and mouse.I've played numerous console games with keyboard and mouse just fine.However, some games are definitely more comfortable with a controller.
>>729517150KB+Mouse for FPS games.Controller for everything else.
>>729517986It never felt bad to me, it felt far easier to do the spiecal moves in SF2 and SamSho1.
I use both but I really do think that in most cases, with exceptions you can make anything work on m+kb, it boils down to devs being lazy to make it work. Splinter Cell used the mouse scroll to allow the walkspeed that analog sticks have. One could also experiment with modifiers, like holding alt is slowest speed, another key like ctrl is medium walkspeed, holding shift is running. You can control character turning with mouse for 3D platforming for example but developers just want a quick hack job when it's time to do PC controls, thus it's like "lol just use gamepad cause mouse keyboard sucks" when devs could definitely have done a better job and many have done in the past.I suppose racing games will miss the analog triggers for acceleration if you go with m+kb even tho you could probably make it work around some changes.>>729517856How is a keyboard that much different than one of those hitbox arcade boards? You just have more buttons around, but some people have really good dexterity to pull moves with keyboard buttons
>>729518086>Controller for everything else.How the fuck you play RTS?
>>729517965I said third person games not shooter games. Third person games don't involve aiming a weapon. Unless you're like, chevreuse>>729517947You're too old so don't know how to do things right and prob suck fat dick at vidya
>>729518086>Controller for everything else.You play, for example, City Skylines with a controller?
>>729517889>I'm a retard that only plays games where you don't have to aim your attacks
>>729518016Dark Souls 1 also doesn't need that much finesse aside from the few platforming sections (getting to the asylum Raven and Bed of Chaos holy fuck).I only used the keyboard to beat it because I could not get the mouse to work correctly (Fuck Bed of Chaos, Jesus Christ).
>>729518139thats not a genre people even think about anymore unc
Leverless arcade controller when I can.
>>729517150Pad + mouse
>>729518163Nobody plays that with any kind of input device
>>729517403WASD represents character movement stick mouse represents camera movement stick, not complicated.
>>729518048>I'm over 30, when I was a teen the idea of playing PC games with a controller was laughable todayDishonest argument you're talking about playing doom with a controller etc being seen as laughable. I used a sidewinder pad to emulate extensively in the 90s as well as play the first ports with good support. You are young and also a liar. Who the fuck just lies trying to "win"? Like you have a single fucking clue about that era. I'm much older >>729518093It was easier because you didn't have a sidewinder gamepad which is what I used the entire era flawlessly.
what's a good controller with symmetrical sticks?
>>729518276Character movement in games designed for controllers is analog you fucking retardOh wow the 4chan argument boiled down to the other person being literally learning disabled and having no idea what the fuck they're talking about what a surprise
>>729517632i have several and an arcade stick.arcade stick is the most fun to use but objectively it doesnt have any advantages besides ergonomicscontroller is intuitive but it's skill ceiling is low. and it has bad ergonomics when you have to use the dpad a lot or claw grip.keyboard is the hardest to get used to but once you get the hang of it it's the most advantageous by far. it's like the difference between typing with all your fingers and pecking with just your thumb
>>729517150Controller whenever it is possible.comfort > optimal play
>>729518295Any Dualshock that fits your hands.
>>729518352>Duhhh skillI'm talking about video games though not console baby shooter rank garbage for niggersIt boils down to kimochi warui and kimochi ii. Dudes who play third person games with mouse and keyboard never get pussy.
>>729517925>Did you seriously play Elden Ring on a keyboard?I beat elden ring and lies of p on keyboard+mouse. keyboard movement gives you more precision when microspacing. and if you ever look at an inside the dev studio of from you can see there's no controllers in their office. the games are made for kbm first
>>729517269>>729517501>>729517786For FPSes and games that are extremely mouse centric that's true. But if you play action games of any sort on the keyboard, you're basically gimping yourself by not using the digital control the thumbsticks on a controller and using a shite analogue system. Just be fucking normal, you dorks.>>729518295Dualshock 3/4 will do or a Logitech controller are your best bets. If you really care about that haptics thing, a Dualsense is fine but it costs and arm and a leg.
>>729517403You've definitely never played a game without lock-on or soft targeting before.
>>729517150It does depend.Platformers, character action games, and older titles are really only best experienced with a gamepad.For everything else, there's KBM.
>>729518337>Character movement in games designed for controllers is analog you fucking retardAll that has to change is you need to add a walk toggle for the keyboard because we can't half push the W button. Almost everyone treats thumbsticks as 8 directional even if they are supposed to be full analog which you can do with WADS. The only games for which fine analog control is actually needed have better options on PC anyway, e.g. wheels, flight sticks, etc.
>>729517786>games that just have very poorly ported controls, e.g. Dead SpaceI've heard people say this for years and I've never understood it, Dead Space has always played vastly better with kb/m for me
>>729517150you're supposed to grow out of black and white thinking pretty early
>>729518454>It boils down to kimochi warui and kimochi ii.if that's your criteria arcade stick mogs controller. 95% of controller games (the ones that only use one stick) feel better on arcade stick than controller. and the controller games that use both sticks are better on kbm.
>>729518295Gamesir tarantula>>729518397Literal worst value in gaming..controllers 10 years behind at a premium price made to break on purpose
>>729518154>Third person games don't involve aiming a weaponwhat if I told you third-person shooters are in fact a thing
>>729518628>actual literal marketing jeet
>>729518573Mouse controls are fucked. They did this deliberately because they didn't bother modifying to the enemy behavior to take into account aiming with a mouse is a lot easier than aiming with thumbsticks. Basically, if they didn't gimp mouse controls for the PC the game, which is already fairly easy, would have been insanely easy. I think there's been a community patch to fix the issue for a while now though.
>>729517745>mouseHalf of these games don't even register the mouse especially old ones so you will have to use your KB to look around which is just abysmal dogshit
>>729518649Shooters are plated with mkb because the control input is shootingBasically all recent shooters are rank/grind slop for nigger spic retards though. Only young people will play them they're shit and offer nothing to my generation I'd body everyone here at real shooters btw
>>729517150Controller for literally everything. I'm not wiggling around a mouse to play a fucking game
>>729518048eh. for a FPS, RTS, or MMO etc. sure. if you played with m/kb for a racing game you were viewed as crazy. it's always been genre and game dependent. hell, part of the appeal of pc then and now is freedom of peripherals
>>729518714The mouse has always been perfectly fine for me and I've never bothered patching or modding it
>>729518505https://youtu.be/Gfs6kG14Xss?t=63https://youtu.be/kjUpYlKs0nM?t=999https://youtu.be/wGLj603vnbA?t=20
>>729518508in controller games 99% of your control stick inputs are vectors with length 1, ie you push the controller all the way against the gate. the 1% of the time you don't push the stick all the way to the gate, eg when you're slow walking or something, isnt worth the ability to go from - 1 to +1 instantlythe long throw distance of the control stick cucks you 99% of the time. you could argue muh racing but then you get mogged by racing wheel
>>729517269In Metal Gear games k+m don't fit but they are crippled by Konami's lazy design and Kojima drones sucking his cock even when it comes to even trivial matters such as choosing your device to play with.>nooooo you can't use k+m, the games were designed for an ancient ps1 controller!!!!!!!
>>729518796You're objectively wrong. The game has aggressive forced mouse acceleration which literally nobody sane likes because it just makes mouse controls awkward.
>>729517491If you're going to use a controller at least use a good one instead of a shitty 20 years outdated one.
>>729518986I've literally never had a problem with it, you might just be autistic
>>729518135>How is a keyboard that much different than one of those hitbox arcade boards?That's the fun part: A hitbox is a keyboard.
>>729517150go play twin stick shooter with keyboard, then real flight simulator with controller you fucking imbecile obviously it depends you retard
>>729519243Twin Stick games can work with M+kb, Crystaldynamics did a good job with Lara Croft and the Guardian of the Light in it for example
kbm ofc>all games>all genres>works for everythingmeanwhile nigger hand vibrating dildo>good as a poor man's driving wheel for racing games i guess
>>729519219If you didn't have a problem with it I can only conclude you are so astronomically retarded you can't even tell how bad it is. This is not up for debate. It's universally acknowledged the mouse controls of the PC port for DS1 were atrocious. As I said, anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong.
>>729517269Playing a 3d platformer with a keyboard is retarded
>>729519243Twin stick shooters are objectively better with keyboard and mouse
>>729518295Do they need to be on the bottom? Then probably a modded ds4/5 with back buttons. Otherwise, wait for steam controller.
>>729517150Controller always
>>729517150Every PC gamer should own a controller for their PC. It's embarassing to be a fag like this: >>729517269 who hasn't upgraded his PC in a decade or worse, does update his PC, but refuses to pay like 50€ to buy the best controller the market has to offer. Yes, the high-end luxury controllers literally cost as much or are cheaper than the standard proprietary ones from Xbox and Sony. I bought a Vader 3 Pro, but there are probably better ones out there now.You should definitely play every game on a controller, if it was meant for a controller. So the question is more appropriate for developers, who need to stop bullshitting and just tell us straight up what input medium they want us to use. None of that marketing corporate speak that every method is just as good. THEY need to properly communicate for what input the game was meant to be played on.
Why are "debates" that were solved 15 years ago still being circlejerked on this shithole?
>>729518986Yeah, I'm an autist who always chooses to play with a mouse and keyboard and I had to mod DS1 for it because the controls were just obnoxious
>>729519815Because devs are still designing games with controllers in mind despite being inferior.
>>729517150KBM is superior in pretty much everything unless the devs went out of their way to fuck with it like for example APEX devs.I played Nioh 2 with both kbm and controller, kbm mog the controller so much it's not even funny and that game was designed for the controller.Both ACs were the same. On top of that in various sims emulating the stick with mouse mog the actual stick, which is honestly sick.Fighting game as a genre collapsed when twitch proved scrubs can use a keyboard and mog people with controller/arcade garbo.Racing games is the last bastion of dedicated controllers and that's because people will spend thousands of dollar on copium so they can virtually drive a car they can't afford.
>>7295182958bitdo Pro 3
>>729518251I think I had this. Worked like ass.
>>729517150Action games are better with KB+MFighting games are better with a keyboardPlatformers are better with KB+MThere's no reason to use a controller
>>729519889>On top of that in various sims emulating the stick with mouse mog the actual stick, which is honestly sick.I'm pretty sure one of the best pvpers in ED was supposedly just using mouse and keyboard.
>>729517403Even then it fucking depends. Playing Hitman kbm is so much better for headshots than controllers.
>>729517150Now hold on, it helps no one to be reductive
>>729517150Rpg; controllerFps/tps; mkb Simple as
>>729517150It depends.>choose a sideI'm not a chud nor a tranny
>>729520340SMT V was much more enjoyable playing with KBM than a controller
>>729517150Mouse.Keyboards suck and I have no idea why even after pc gaming has become so big, a keyboard layout/key placment designed for typing is still the standard for gaming.
>>729519748The way you like to sit is a more important question than developer intent. It could even be the case that different guys at the studio use different input methods. As long as your input method has viable mappings for all of the input methods, it's viable.The main pros and cons come down to ergonomic preferences. KBM has tons of precision advantages, but actually these are miniscule and they tether you to sit down in a very specific position. Arcade stick is easy on the hands and has a bit more freedom than kbm but you still have to sit up and rest it somewhere. Controller is hard on your hands and gives you calluses, but you can lay down and put your body in any position while using it. So the ideal input method is the one that ends my session the latest. With controller I'm in a relaxed position but after a couple of hours of intense dpad and claw grip my hands hurt. Arcade stick lasts me the longest overall. You can sit for 8 hours and use it and not get fatigued at all. The buttons actuate with you resting your hands on it and moving the stick uses your arm instead of your thumbs or wrist. So the guy who plays 8 hours a day on arcade stick/kbm will be better than the 3 hour controller guy even if controller has a slight edge
>>7295182958bitdo pro 2 or 3
>>729519549>it's universally acknowledged by meOk bro, people have said Souls games are Literally Unplayable™ with kb/m for years too
>>729517150>Just tried to play Cultic with a controllerand that will be keyboard for me. Thanks.
>>729517150i would rather use trackball than that keyboard
It depends on the game, nigger. Why am I not allowed to use both? That's like saying you can only play games with a keyboard or your mouse.
>>729521260you must engage in pointless dichotomies for Our Democracy
>>729517150Keyboard mouse for most gamesKeyboard for fightanController for racing slop, character action and movieshit
>>729517150Controllers are comfy sure but they are only good for games that take less precision or skill cealingAlso controller lifespan are very shortI hate stick drift and sticky face button
>>729518093>SF2 it feels weird if you're used to playing the game with an arcade stick
>>729518139>How the fuck you play RTS?What part of "Controller for everything else." you dont understand
>>729518337Very few games actually use the fine control of analog and a button toggle can create that functionality on PC.Alternatively bind character speed to the mouse wheel like Splinter Cell did.
>>729519570I just like going fast so I use it and not held back by slow stick controlled cameras
>>729517269Playing anything that isn’t a shooter or RTS on MnK is retarded
>>729517150>>729517269>>729517403>>729517558>>729520384Controller was made to play, while keyboard is the ONLY control method you dont pick up and need a flat surface, that fucks up your wrist/ back/posture and that was to be played alone while you can have 4 controllers PC is for friendless autost NPCs, simple as
>>729517150use both because on pc you can use any input method you want
>>729517150Keyboard and mouse for fps, tps, point and click and rts. Controller for everything else
>>729522470Controller was made to be a cheap pack-in or something that would work with a handheld console.The most common controllers are ewaste chinkshit on a conceptual level.
>>729522701>Controller was made to be a cheap pack-in or something that would work with a handheld console.What are you even babbling about
>>729520340>Fps/tps; mkbmost apex legends pros use controller instead of mkb
>>729517150>play on controller for 90% of the game>pick up my mouse and start sniping when the game makes meIt depends
>>729517889"Pagpags". Been a year since I've seen that literal seamonkey term.
>>729517150For Grand strategy, Terraria (and similar) and FPS keyboard and mouse.For anything else, controller.
>>729517150>amerigolemscontroller>eurochadskeyboard
>>729522470>AI slopjeet thinks its opinion matterslol, lmao
>>729523973Yuroturds are only associated with kb/m because they were too poor to afford consoles for like two decades, and now they're the biggest FIFAgolem consoleniggers in the world
>>729517150how do people play shooters with a controller. I genuinely and cannot for the life of me do it. Even in games like black ops zombies where you snap to the zombies when you ADS i still fucking suck at it. I can't do 180s and flick easily. I have a laptop hooked up to a tv in front of my bed so try to play while laying down with a controller and i fucking suck balls. I changed sensitivities and did everything but fucking nothing. I don't know how people do that retarded zoomer movement on consoles
>>729518863MGSV plays best with MBK thoughbeit
