Wait...how was there a Metroid Queen in Other M on the Bottle Ship?Metroids only evolve from their natural habitats on SR-388. You put them on other planets and they won't evolve. There are mutations and Phazon related shit like the Tallon IV Metroids or Metroid Hunters, but you'll never see a Gamma Metroid or Zeta on Planet ZebesWhich begs the question of how the fuck they cloned and evolved a Metroid to be a Queen? The Bottle Ship is based on Planet Zebes.>Well Samus had DNA on her suitEven if you're expecting me to believe that DNA wasn't washed off after she went through Maridia or the laval of Norfair, it still wouldn't work. Their cloning in Other M has to go through the evolutionary stages (look at Furby Ridley). They could clone a Metroid that had the DNA of becoming a Queen, but it would still stay at a Larva State.
everything you said is wrong and retarded because its a made up fucking story and lore that doesnt even understand evolution, dna, and mutations in the first place retard.
>>729542919Stop noticing things chud. The Bottle Ship scientists were just THAT good to make>fully cloned planet fauna>the entirety of Zebes' ecosystems despite it being blown up>cold-immune Metroids>recreated Mother Brain as an actual android and not a brain in a jar>Phantoon from nothing>a full blown Queen without any steps in between being aroundALL before the BSL scientists could.
>>729542919stopped reading, you can replicate the environment of SR-388. Metroid Fusion already had this.
>>729543323Very clearly you stopped reading because the fucking OP states >The Bottle Ship is based on Planet Zebes.
>>729543323Other M ship isn't based on SR-388 it's based entirely around Zebes' ecosystem.>>729543261>cold immune MetroidsI like how the game just handwaves this away like "Oh yeah no they were able to uh make invincible Metroids. No more weaknesses. How? Don't worry about it."
>>729543323>stopped readingno need to out yourself as a retard lacking critical thinking skillsFusion could only get an Omega Metroid through replicating SR388's environments, there's nothing about SR388 on the bottle ship
I guess I'll ask here. I just started playing the Metroid series. Are the Metroids good guys (or neutral guys) who are misused by the Space Pirates for evil? It seems you have to kill a lot of Metroids but at the end of the first two games a Metroid helps you and Samus even escapes with a baby and brings it to a research facility. So would they be good guys if people just left them alone?
>>729543508Metroids are bio-engineered weapons by the Chozo to curb off the X Parasite on SR-388They got misused by the Space Pirates (mainly Mother Brain) to use them as bioweaponsJohn Metroid is sent in to kill Mother Brain (Metroid 1), then to genocide the Metroids (Metroid 2)
>>729543508Metroids are bioweapons created by the Chozo (I won't say what for since I don't know if you got that far in the series yet that reveals why). They're not good nor evil, just organic beings built to destroy.Space Pirates find them and want to use them as the ultimate weapon for their own gain. Galactic Federation doesn't want that shit to ever happen again so it's viewed as a necessary evil to exterminate them.
>>729542919The existence of Phantoon implies dimensional fuckery to justify whatever else cloning can't
I'M A BABY RAAAAAAH!
>>729543362>>729543456>>729543458stay madFusion is peak
>u madno one is defending other m you nonce
>907Nobody said a single thing about Fusion being bad, go ragebait somewhere else
>>729543508Chozo are good guysMetroid are bioweapons they created, not inherently bad like the BOWs in Resident Evil but more like Pokemons just minding their own business in the wild.It just happens Space Pirates started hijacking all Pokemons to do their evil shit so the poor things have become a liability to everyone, and since there is no way for them to be self-governed since they are mindless instinctual beasts, the galaxy is better off without them than to risk them being misused again. Their very existence just for the sake of preserving them is a net negative for the forces of good, since they will never weaponize them while the bad guys always will.
>>729542919Why are people so scared of unfreezable Metroids? The Ing could clear these things with ease
I like how Adam just somehow knew that ALL THE METROIDS IN SECTOR ZERO COULDN'T BE FROZENNO NO PLEASE PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE METROID HE FREEZES AT THE ENTRANCE TO SECTOR ZERO, THERE COULDN'T BE ANY MORE OF THEM IN THERE
>>729543508Metroids are technically a 'good guy' invention, but they are ultimately bioweapons who absorb energy, later in the series they are revealed to have been originally made to combat a much more serious parasite that is basically the Thing on crystal meth and making sure they never get off their planet of origin. They become the new apex predator however and got out of control when they began to evolve, and later in Samus's time they got stolen and bred for use elsewhere by space pirates.THE BABY imprints on Samus as it hatches, believing she's their mother, and is officially the last original Metroid. At least, from SR-388.
>>729544465HE COULD ONLY FREEZE IT BECAUSE IT WAS A BABY ONCE IT GREW UP IT WOULD BE INDESTRUCTIBLE HONEST STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
>>729544096Ironically, Other M's story is exactly how Samus finds out the Galactic Federation aka forces of good were responsible for cloning Ridley and Metroids for the purpose of weaponizing them, but trust me it will work this time ooops oh no
I like how they keep making Metroid games before Fusion that keep doing the "GASP, CLONED METROIDS!? BUT HOW!?"
>>729544465>>729544612They didn't even have to go in there, the entrance was LOCKED, all they had to do was you know, rescue Madeline, leave, and blow up the space station from their shipsAnd who the fuck puts a self destruct switch inside the thing you want to self destruct
>>729544198actually the dark tallon metroid log said metroids would attack ing as well, so even they had trouble with them
Bird brains
>>729545580Dumb birdies
>>729543508They're like pit bulls basically.
I'll never stop hating Other M solely from Sakamoto having zero restraint and blowing his load with a bunch of things that wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't shove it between Super and Fusion.
>>729542919other m shits on literally all of samus's backstory, it directly contradicts the tie in zero mission manga AND YES IT'S CANON, and the chozo aren't mentioned in the fucking game ONCEanyone who likes other m is a faggot
>>729547396>zero mission manga AND YES IT'S CANONIn your head. No one read that shit and Metroid is a VIDEO GAME SERIES. Careful now, you're sounding like one of those Halo faggots screaming about those crappy novels when that's also a video game series.
>>729547379Same
>>729544198>Why are people so scared of unfreezable Metroids?Try playing any 2d metroid without ice beam. They're a nightmare to handle.
>>729544198Unfreezable Metroids is the weirdest subplot of Other M since Metroids explicitly lost that weakness when they evolve.Samus Returns Remake does handwave it that while they gain resistance and aren't instantly frozen, but keep some degree of vulnerability which encourages freezing the exposed parts and firing missions for concussive damage on them, so without freezing weakness outright this would mean ANY Metroid would take a dozen missiles to kill. It'd be the bane of any army, for a lifeform whose very existence is already the bane of any army due to the rarity of anyone having ice beams and missiles at their disposal.
>>729543508A bit of both. The Thoha, the ''good'' chozo made them with good intentions but they were designed to be deadly pradators at the top of the food chain. Metroids are genetically ''programmed'' to obey Thoha Chozos. The thing is this proves Metroids can be controlled and they are nigh invulnerable lifeforms that kill by draining ''lifeforce''. Samus can only stop them because she is lucky to have enough firepower to do that usually. A normal marine isn't equipped for that.A single metroid can be the bane of an entire squad alone as proven in the Prime Series.The end of the first two games reinforced the capacity to tame a Metroid which the Space Pirates seek so much. Though since we later learn Chozo genes contribute to that, it's hard to gauge how much is due to proper training and being identified as a mother by them on birth and how much it's because of Samus' Bleach-tier of multi hybrid genetics.
So any reason the Chozo taught Samus to go around wearing a skinght suit that shows her FAT ass to everyone and the only other dress code they enforced was swimsuits?
>>729549603To be fair Fusion already retconned the whole "lose ice weakness" thing before Other M made it a plot point.
>>729542919Bottleship scientists were that good at cloning things, including ecosystems.In particular, Sector Zero (which we never see) was designed to pull all the insane Metroid projects, like ice invulnerable Metroids (which we never see) and another Queen.Yes, Is kinda retarded in terms how fast Bottleship did it, including a cute Mother Brain, but of all the shit that Other M did that's the least offensive thing. Also, if that one guy that I can't find in YouTube that did the resub of Other M with the correct dialogue and lore is telling the truth, you should ignore 95% of what characters do and say in the NA version. Still, that leaves the game with its gameplay issues like the authorization system and its linearity but well, you can play hard mode to justify them
Fuck em
Its Other M bro. Don't think about it too much.
>>729553607John is loyal to his wife/mom
>>729554932Then explain this
>>729543907Fusion is the best game in the franchise hands down, full stop, end of story, period, mic drop
who was the deleter?
>>729555816dude with the mustachefucking hilarious that samus doesn't even talk to adam about it and it's droppedfucking garbage story
>>729555816The one she found frozen, had a mustache. I don't remember the name but had to be him by elimination.There was an asian dude with glasses that ended MIA but the Deleter threw one of the guys in the lava in one of the cutscenes.>>729556040Some people said the localization removed some stuff like Samus purposely going out of her way into the lava zone without authorization out of spite, but I don't know much so I give that kind of stuff the benefit of the doubt.Mostly because I hate localizers and know from FE Fates they can be a piece of shit.
>>729556129the localization argument has no saying power because the english version was released first AND sakamoto directed the english dub
>>729555816>>729556040>>729556129damn what I was just playing this game but didn't quite finish yet, just beat ridley.you're tellin me you never even get to confront the situation? Just left to assume Adam offscreened the guy?god I hate this fucking game so much which is why I haven't finished yet.
>>729542919My favorite plot hole is why would Samus be surprised in Fusion about the feds breeding metroids, if the feds where doing the exact same thing in Other M which takes place earlier? Stealing a plot twist from a game later in the timeline you don't get this bad by accident.
>>729556401Shieeet>>729556582No, not even that. The guy gets offscreened by someone else altogether. I can't even remember if it was Ridley or he was the first victim of a Metroid.The Deleter's identity was a topic of discussion even some point after the game's release because of that + one of the marines being MIA because he threw him into lava. You don't get an explicit evidence of who he is. Closest being that the Deleter's helmed has the number somewhat faded/scratched compared to the others.
>>729556582nah, he attacked adam but got killed by someone else, you'll see lateralso, don't forget power bombs exist
>>729556647IMO it's was clear other m was supposed to be a soft reboot of the series, which was why Sakamoto was so hands on everything and stilling says he would change nothing years later. That he chose to copy Fusion's background story and still fuck it up shows how stupid the enter idea was, thank god that plotline is dead.>>729556582>Just left to assume Adam offscreened the guy?Nope more like make it look like Adam was killed by him so to make him stopping Samus by shooting her in the back a case of dramatic tension in the story. God thinking about that scene and the story in general made me so mad still to this day
>>729556701the japanese script has some even worse problems, you know why samus didn't put on varia? BECAUSE SHE WAS STUBBORN AND DIDN'T WANT TO USE IT TO PROVE HERSELF TO ADAM UNTIL HE TOLD HER TO KNOCK THAT SHIT OFF
>>729557203Sheesh
>>729557235here's a vid that goes in depthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTuMfsWwd0E
>>729557235Yep, in the English version she is a extreme doormat who cannot think for herself. While in the Japanese version she is a womanchild who is throwing a tantrum because she did not get approval of her father figure. Do not ever let any other M apologists say the Japanese version is better because it's not
>>729557408This guy is a lying faggot and Adam didn't yell at Samus to put on her Varia Suit. The piece of shit even admitted to shoving his own bias in his crappy translation. A majority of the translations are wrong and the localization was more closer to the original script than this faggot is leading on. Some dudes in the comment section calls his lying ass out. Stop posting Lexicon Lookout.
>>729547807An ending slide from Zero Mission shows a drawing Samus made as a kid with her and Grey Voice and Old Bird
>>729555682Not my chief
>>729557801then how about you translate what was actually said, you faggot?
>>729556582Worst part is Adam doesn't off screen him. He dies on his own and you're just like "oh well"Oh and if you want a spoiler even WORSE You know how Ridley fled after your fight? Yeah you don't get to fight him again. He gets off screened by the final boss. Kek
>>729558036>Old birdHis name is the Chozo Elder.>Grey VoiceThe tall Chozo in the game is just a Thoha Chozo whose name we don't know yet because Nintendo hasn't named him, he also has different facial features from that Grey Voice character from that manga.
The whole argument about "Other M's story is actually really different because of localization" goes out the window when you realize Sakamoto was in charge of the fucking localization kek. Along with the English VA direction.Trust me, we GOT the shitty story he wanted to tell
>>729558110I would do that if I had the fucking Japanese script but none of these faggots seem to want to give it out.
I thought it was okay. 6/10.
>>729558164Now you're trying too hard
>>729558207ThisOther M is not a misunderstood gameIt's not an overhated gameIt's not an underrated gameIt's a bad game and no amount of contrarianism from Nu YouTubers will ever change that
>>729558056>Yes I am
Considering JP fanes had the same issues with Other M as us Western fans, I would think it's safe to assume the plot and dialog were the same or close it
>>729558207There is also no Parliament in the Galactic Federation, it's called the Galactic Federation Council. Dread's Dread Report also follows said localization while the Japanese site is the same.
>>729553607>>729554932>>729558056>>729558503Man. I was just rewatching this kino earlier today, too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYMDtx4uVm4
>>729558036Grey Voice does not appear in Zero Mission. There's references to him in Zero Mission and Dread, but he himself has never appeared, unlike Old Bird who explicitly appears in Zero Mission and Fusion.The manga is heavily contradicted by the games. It cannot be canon, not in it's entirety at the very least.
>>729558339I'm not, Nintendo had did some special lore thing for Metroid on the phones that did the ABCs all the way to Z for Metroid and Nintendo named him the Chozo Elder. Manga just takes elements from canon because Nintendo makes sure that when their IP is used, it fits how the universe would feel like to a degree even if it's not really canon. Long-story short, manga has canon elements from the main series but isn't truly canon. For one thing, it's been confirmed that the Galactic Federation is human-only.
>>729558685Man with all the tools today Monty would've had the time of his life making animations nowRIP
>>729559096It's probably more accurate it say that the games pick things from the manga to make canon. Because that's exactly how Samus' backstory was crafted in the first place by taking things from the Benimaru Itoh comic. Even the Old Bird/Chozo Elder character.
I wouldn't say the Metroid manga is 100% canon just more so it's fully recognized by Nintendo as a thing that exists.I would figure it's "canon" until they create a game during that time or say so otherwise. And it doesn't even hurt or bother anything so being angry against it being canon is just dumb
>>729558164fuck off faggot
I'm probably going to play this game next week since I refuse to believe anything could be worse than Prime 4. What am I in for?
>>729559918prime 4 is good you fucking faggot, kill yourself
>>729560150Said no one ever
>>729559210Yeah, you're probably right.>>729559903Get fucked, faggot. Nintendo isn't Sega or Microsoft who gives this bullshit "everything is canon" crap expecting you to know characters from OUTSIDE YOUR FUCKING GAMES! It's a wonder Bungie got sick and tired of them along with everyone that worked with those shitters at Xbox.
>>729559269>so being angry against it being canon is just dumbWhere do you think you are
>>729559918You'll realize it's not close to as bad as people online made it, but it's also not the best of the Metroid games. It's a solid 7.5/10 or 8/10 Metroid game depending on the day you play it. It has nice ideas, it's just the execution of some of those ideas aren't great and need some ironing out.
>>729542919I think the biggest problem with Other M isn't even that Samus is later surprised the Federation cloned Metroids again.The fact that the federation cloned Space Pirates (an intelligent species) then seemingly lobotomized and cybernetically altered them so they could serve as bio weapons makes it one of the most evil organizations in history. She is an actual retard if she trusts them after this.I know the game implies Zebesians aren't intelligent without a leader, but we have to assume that is only the cyborg pirates. Samus specifically says even if Ridley was leading them, they would still be feral. They need Mother Brain. If We assume she is talking about all Zebesians, then this pretty much contradicts every game. Either that, or she means Space Pirates wouldn't be a galaxy dominating threat without Mother Brain.
>>729542919>Why did you put Mother Brain inside of an android that can cave a person's head in, even if they are wearing power armour?>Ummmm....
>>729542919I hate Other M as much as the next guy, but this isn't a problem. Nothing states the Bottle Ship doesn't have a replica of SR-388, Fusion only says SR-388 is IDEAL for raising Metroids, and in Fusion only Sector 1 is a replica of SR-388. The Omega Metroid evolves outside of Sector 1, so even Fusion shows it isn't impossible.
>>729560150Falseflagging jeet
>>729560560>She is an actual retard if she trusts them after this.In SM she hands the baby over to the Fed scientists so they can study it. In Fusion it turns out the Feds were not only breeding Metroids as bioweapons, but also SA-X.I don't think she gives a fuck to be honest.
>>729560969Thread should have ended here when somebody in this thread actually employed basic logic, instead of using this as an opportunity to mindlessly (and more importantly, uselessly, as if any new thought is being produced by this thread) circlejerk how much they dont like other m.
>>729560560Other M establishes that it's a rogue group known as the Ringleaders doing it, something Fusion (neither version) told us. Samus wasn't shocked in Fusion, when asked about it by Adam in Fusion Samus just says "...". The Federation is a massive organization, then can have some corrupt individuals, all governing bodies have them. It's quite immature to believe all in the Federation are like that. Other M was literally Federation vs Federation.>I know the game implies Zebesians aren't intelligent without a leaderThis was better explained in Smash, regular Zebesian Space Pirates are intelligent even without a leader but the organization has issues functioning properly without it and that's because of Space Pirate culture. The Other M Pirates were different because they were raised to be bioweapons so they're just mindless beasts.>Either that, or she means Space Pirates wouldn't be a galaxy dominating threat without Mother BrainIt's this, Mother Brain turned them into a galactic threat.
>>729561161Actually SA-X wasn't their fault. They just shipped the weapon parts to the BSL but didn't know it would turn into a fully formed Samus that would Power Bomb the place
>>729561161No, the SA-X is not part of the program. They do want to capture it, though, and Samus is furious to learn about it.>Samus, we're done here. Leave the rest to the Federation... We should be preparing to evacuate the station...>Are you joking!? Do they know how dangerous the X are? ...How quickly they reproduce?>The Federation has taken an interest in the X and the SA-X. They believe this lifeform has endless potential applications.>This is ridiculous! The X are heartless abominations! What potential could they have?>It is not necessary that you understand such matters. The Federation is coming now. You should just leave quietly...>This is madness! They won't stand a chance here! This station will devour them! What could be worth the risk!?>Capturing the SA-X, of course.>[...]>They must cancel this mission! Open a channel to HQ! I won't let this happen!
>>729561561If any American black site was turning Africans into brainless cyborg terminators, would you make this distinction? I know I would hesitate to take a mission from another American research institute a short while later.
>>729561561>Other M establishes that it's a rogue group known as the Ringleaders doing it, something Fusion (neither version) told us. Samus wasn't shocked in Fusion, when asked about it by Adam in Fusion Samus just says "...".When was this? I don't recall this.
>>729543010>NOOOO DON'T THINK JUST CONSOOM+10 nintendo points have been added to your account
>>729561843There are ways a lot of what was presented in Other M could work, but this characterization in Fusion doesn't reconcile with Other M.There are ways you can wrack your brain and rationalize things, but you read stuff like this and realize it is pointless.
>>729562029>MK Ultra
>>729562029Whether black people would ever trust the government again because of that, is a completely different thing from whether somebody who generally wants to be a government worker or agent or politician would trust the government. The latter would all probably either believe themselves to be the good ones, who put faith in the institutional values, not the governing bodies themselves, if that makes sense.Its even less of a concern for somebody like Samus whos basically the equivalent of a mercenary, or some other 3rd party, who would value the government purely as something that could provide them with appropriate resources not easily accessible elsewhere.
>>729558685Have you seen the remake? Its kino.
>>729559176
>>729562287Let's be real here. You are posting on 4chan. You don't trust any CIA glowies. The fact that America shut down (?) MKULTRA isn't any comfort, and you think anyone would be an idiot to sign up for a CIA program.
>>729559269>wouldn't say the Metroid manga is 100% canon
>>729542919Dude this series doesn't have lore stfu. But even if it did that's not the point of the game. Just accept it's a fucking retcon or use your suspension of disbelief. You're supposed to be invested in Samus's daddy issues, not the "science".
>>729562559MKUltra is public knowledge yet people still want to / are working for the government just fine. You overestimate how much of a fuck the average person gives.
>>729562037>thinking is when you can't enjoy art and instead have to use logic for everything
>>729562143Its just the inherent limitation of having Samus be a silent protag. Be in the gaming community long enough, and youll learn they cant engage with anything as is. They engage with things, based on preconceptions and expectations of how they think something is SUPPOSED to fit. I think thats the truly most jarring aspect of Samus' character. Because ive seen those same brainrotted retards defend similar Japanese style character writing in their most beloved animes. But they just dont like it here, because they have an expectation of Samus being a silent brooding robot, with no values, perspectives, or desires. Other M tries to incorporate some of that robotism, but it was ultimately too emotional overall to map onto fans expectations.Combine that with the ironic fact that everybody thinks Metroid games have a rigid consistent design philosophy due to the advent of the concept of "Metroidvania" despite the ironic fact that the genre was "born" of a game, that wasnt even inspired by Metroid (and it shows, the games' progression are nothing alike). But none of the metroid games, id almost argue at this point, even Super Metroid, are like metroidvanias, the genre has just come to mean something completely different. I've yet to find anygame that actually feels like SM, and I think thats because SM wasnt made with a template in mind in the first place. Thats part of the reason it has the featureless map. Why it has points of no return, why each area is simultaneously interconnected and very self contained, (due to points of no returns) so that you can reasonably mentally map things, and also, so that when you return back the points of no returns, you gain an understanding of how things connect, since you usually have to access that point from a different point.The game is made the way it is, to allow the player to deal with the limitations inherent to the game.Sort of reminds me of how zero soulslikes feel like DS1. The idea abandons the game.
>>729562394>Its even less of a concern for somebody like Samus whos basically the equivalent of a mercenary, or some other 3rd party, who would value the government purely as something that could provide them with appropriate resources not easily accessible elsewhere.Look at >>729561843Fusion absolutely does not portray her in this way. She very clearly cares about the wider implications of what is happening. Not only that, Other M, for all its faults, doesn't portray her in this way either. She demands answers from Adam on whether bioweapon reasearch is happening at all, which is entirely illegal, Metroid or no.
>>729560150
>>729562559MKUltra fizzled out and was eventually ended because it wasn't really going anywhere. It's not like there was a huge scandal and then it was abruptly ceased.
>>729542919Who cares other M is dogshit and barely even canon anyway
>>729562783>fizzled out>ceasedThia NPC probably thinks Project Mockingbied also "ended".Lmao.
>>729562752The way I've always interpreted it was less that she cares about the morality of the Federation using bioweapons, but rather the fact that they (or whatever splinter cell faction this is) simply cannot control these weapons and if it they fail to contain it and it spreads to the galaxy then it's unironically over.
>>729562987You're the one who said "shut down (?)" man idk
>>729561843>The X are heartless abominations! What potential could they have?And yet in the end of Dread, an X giving Samus a way to surpress her Metroid DNA saved her life. Always loved that
>>729563281I said that. >>729562987is a different anon.
>>729562679Samus wouldn't be strong enough to survive the Spartan ProgramSpartans are THE BEST OF THE BEST ONLY THE GREATEST WARRIORS CAN SURVIVESammy Wanmy would wet her pants
>>729561161Not him but see>>729561561They're a big organization
>>729563594It's a real shame she doesn't acknowledge this at all. Dread made her too much of an unstoppable/angry killing machine imo.
>>729563281NTA
>>729563594It's really hard to say what happened there. Quiet Robe X acts totally different from how it did previously and any other X acted. It even bowed when it had no reason to. It's sequel bait we may never have properly answered now.My suspicion is that Quiet Robe's spirit had possessed his own parasite as a final show of gratitude. But that is a huge reach based on very little.I have seen people speculate it was a trick to seal Samus's Metroid form, but that doesn't make any sense. She would have died if Quiet Robe X hadn't intervened.
>>729563650Dont call my wife names
>>729563853When the retarded metroid lore can bounce around from so many developers, im not taking it seriously exactly for reasons like this>Quiet Robe X acts totally different from how it did previously and any other X acted. It even bowed when it had no reason to. It's sequel bait we may never have properly answered now.lmao, especially when its clear in a meta way, the reason this happened.at the very least other m, was an earnest attempt and had no meta goals of appeal, thats exactly why it failed to appeal so spectacularly, it was a genuine creation the creator wanted to make, not something produced just to give fans a product to consume.
>>729563714I wish they gave Samus more downtime in Dread to reflect on the adventure. Like after Quiet Robe dies she looks shocked, fights the robot, and moves on. That was one of the last Chozo and it felt like a "eh" moment to her.>>729563853The X were pretty interesting in ways you couldn't really understand. Like in pic related, it chose to blow up the BSL and kill all of its brethren on board if it meant eliminating the threat of Samus, even though the SA-X at the time was much stronger than her.It's a shame they'll probably move away from the X parasites for future games cause I'd have loved one more game about them
>>729564070>It's a shame they'll probably move away from the X parasites for future games cause I'd have loved one more game about themThe escape sequence shows a prominent Chozo ship missing from where it was before. The X definitely survived. Whether they will ever be used again is another question.
>>729562030Samus calls them out as the Ringleaders, a group of high-ranking officials giving the orders to do corrupt things without the rest of the Federation knowing.>>729562029The Federation is an interstellar government. There's going to be some bad apples in there.
>>729563853To be fair, the X are intended to be bizzare creatures, there's no real answer if they're truly malicious or if it's just their nature to act in the ways they do even if it means helping someone who's explicitly trying to wipe them out
>>729564070It is blowing up the station because the X are alive on SR-388. Losing the station and all the X on board means nothing to it. That is the reason why ADAM tells Samus not to go through with her plan of blowing up the station: she actually needs to blow up the planet, too.
>>729564229Oh that's right I forgot about that
>>729563650Master Chief wouldn't even be able to beat the first boss of Metroid Dread.
>>729559918Something worse than Prime 4
>>729563650Other M Samus wouldn't.Toddler Samus would.
>>729559918It's a very cool game if you can overlook the abominable story being shoved in your face constantly.
>>729564046>>729564070>>729563853I always thought the X just mimicked their hosts, but still had a primal instinct to assimilate and consume everything. So when they take over fauna and creatures, they just kill and consume. But since Quiet Robe probably had a strong mental willpower, that aspect of him overrode the X.>But what about Samus?I think it assimilated more of her suit and acted like a robot. If it actually cloned her I'm not sure what would've happened.
Other M Samus is a cute and I really enjoyed her interactions with Adam and Anthony.
>>729543261They did not make Phantoon, it just wandered in. Either the original survived or it was a different one.
>>729556647I haven't played Fusion without skipping the dialogue in over 20 years. Does Samus' reaction to learning they are breeding Metroids on the BSL completely rule out the idea she could've already known the Federation had done that elsewhere (making it a full-on retcon) or is it understated/generic enough that it could be handwaved as her just not expecting it to happen again? They really don't care about Samus running into Metroids between Super and Fusion seeing as they just did it again in Prime 4.
>>729566257Phantoon just pops up wherever he wants to
>>729542919Other M is the worst metroid (yes even worse than prime 4) so yeah
>>729544198>Samus, you can't freeze these Metroids>*camera pans to a frozen Metroid on the floor.*
Metroids are ugly!!
>>729566739No she is very explicitly surprised and angry that they are doing it, its the big twist at the end and seen as a betrayal of trust. She wouldn't be surprised by it if she had already caught them doing it once before. The Prime games all happen before Metroid 2
>>729569838>The Prime games all happen before Metroid 2Not Prime 4
>>729569838>The Prime games all happen before Metroid 2actuckally prime 4 is stated to take place after super.
>>729569838prime obviously isnt canon retard lmao, you have to be a joking retard to take prime lore seriously.
>>729569995Bait used to be believable
>>729542919I forgot, was the bottle ship emulating thebSR-388 environment like the BSL was in Fusion? Or did the writers just forget or didnt care?
>>729543508They are predators. Bioweapons. Initially thought as dangerous animals captured and used by Space Pirates and Mother Brain, it was later revealed they originate from SR-388. Then it was revealed they are genetically engineered animals by the Chozo. They were designed to be the predators to the X Parasite. Not good, or bad, just animals with dangerous predatory instinct. In a human perspective, we probably shouldnt let them live on Earth.
Morphball softlock
>>729569995Not him but yeah, prime games are not in the 2d continuity... while other m is. Sorry.
>>729569323In the game you can freeze them too. And even if metroids are weak to ice, I thought they never died from ice. You always freeze them, then blast them with a missile.
>>729543261yep ai is that good
>>729569213Gameplay wise id play Other M even if it has the gay eye spy. But both are very linear with "hidden" collectibles. Writing is convoluted and stupid whereas Prime 4 is boring and stupid. Other M dialogue is bland, Prime 4 is cringe and bland. Pick a poison I suppose.
>>729570308>morph ball is canonically 1 meter in diameterwhat the HELL
>>729543261lmao. I really wish the mainline lore was as good as Prime's story.
>>729542919The ship is designed specifically to replicate multiple alien environments, there's no reason why they couldn't manage SR388.
>>729569838>>729569879>>729569891Prime 4 isn't really an issue because Samus presumably doesn't know Sylux stole a Metroid from the Federation to clone it and probably just assumes the Space Pirates still had some made from the baby's DNA. At this point it's better to count the breeding program from Other M as a full retcon and assume they'd alter Samus' dialogue in a Fusion remake to reflect it.
>>729543261Phantoon is there because Mother Brain is, you secondary. Read the japanese manual of Super.
>>729544465To be fair, if I recall correctly he didn't really "know" that. He supposes that it would make sense for them to try and breed out the weakness and assumes they already did so. But then the game basically proves him wrong, so he sacrificed himself on grounds of a baseless assumption.
>>729573808Adam signed the super secret Metroid cloning program so he should be fully aware of what it entails. No, I don't remember what the justification for him being involved was.
>>729558124kek when I played it I just thought that was set up for him being the 'surprise' real final boss, but nope, phantoon just shows up.
>>729574141Just because he greenlit it doesn't mean he knew all the details of what would come after. A gross oversight on his part, but not technically a plot hole as we already have infamous examples in real life of such cases.
Short haired Samus is the only good part of Other M.
Other M's story would have been good if it was set entirely in the past with young samus. The rest of the game would probably have been shit however.
>>729542919Focus, other M
>>729550302you can always explain that one as a failed clone
>>729563853it's either quiet robe's will somehow bending the X's (or simply his memories making the X act according to them) or the X somehow rationalized being assimilated by samus as a better alternative than blowing up. or maybe it thought that samus potentially surviving could've been a menace for the fleeing Xs.it does make me wonder if this event in fusion >>729564070 was the X killing samus or the scientist's memories of wanting to destroy the station to stop the Xs
>>729563853>My suspicion is that Quiet Robe's spirit had possessed his own parasite as a final show of gratitude. But that is a huge reach based on very little.I agree, it also explains the SA-X in Fusion's ending. My headcanon is that it's a Thoha thing.
I don't understand how I've spent 15 years hearing how bad this game's story isnot once have I ever heard that it has the worst fucking controls of any Wii gameI was seriously dumbfounded when I booted it up and it told me to unplug the nunchuck, I just assumed if there was an action game on wii it would use the nunchuckjust like who was there to tell them the entire time to tell them that having to stop moving and flip the controller around in the middle of a fight while being attacked by 5 enemies is fucking ass?It's also crazy how many bad things in the original cut of NG3 were in this game. It's almost like TN learned all its worst lessons from Nintendo designers.
>>729579054But Samus had Mawkin DNA.In that case it's probably just a Chozo thing since Ravenbeak did seem unusually in control of the Kraid comboAlso they missed a opportunity to use Meta Kraid in Prime 4.
>>729581056>But Samus had Mawkin DNA.She has both.
>>729581003We were skilled wagglers at this point and had been conditioned by wii sports bowling.At the time it was nothing.
>>729581003>not once have I ever heard that it has the worst fucking controls of any Wii gamePeople have been shitting on the controls since release.
>>729569323Kek
>>729570116Bottle Ship replicated Planet Zebes
>>729574141>>729574919Actually Adam didn't greenlight it.They proposed it to him and he turned it down, but someone in the Federation basically forged his signature and said "yep no okay let's get this shit rolling!"
>>729581003People don't talk about the controls because it's universally agreed upon to be the stupidest thing ever>Hey let's make a 3D Action Adventure game but you can only use the Wiimote!
>>729542919The section Adam went into and blew up could have been the area that looks like SR388.
>>729562727Yes
>>729545580I didn't know Reginald was a chozo.
>>729557197Adam being the deleter and bullshiting Samus so he can detach the lab and """blow it up""" makes the story make more sense.
>>729556401Other M is Sakamoto's vision to a T. He was there to oversee the translation and the voice acting, the reason why Samus sounds so wooden was his decision.
>>729559210Is it weird her backstory of being a federation soldier who became independent came from a Captain N comic?
>>729559918Terrible Story and bad gameplay.
>>729560150Every Prime gets annoying at some point, but Prime 4 starts the annoyances like in the first third of the game.
>>729560560Not only cloned pirates they put their fucking logo in them.
>>729581003It’s just the nature of the discourse surrounding Other M. The dogshit plothole-ridden narrative and complete lack of player agency in resolving plot points is low-hanging fruit. Tendies will always deflect and say >a-at least the gameplay is goodBut it’s absolute dogshit.>8-way run tied to d-pad>auto aim>sense move has zero cooldown and can be spammed freelyOther M can feasibly be played by simply mashing buttons. It’s trash. And that’s not even mentioning the stupid missile launcher implementation or the pixel hunts.
>>729543508Metroids are the pitbulls of the space age. Great for culling rowdy niggers but people are retarded and leave them alone with things they care about and cry when shit happens.
>>729587965So true.Explains all the hybrids and mutants as well.Everyone wants their pimpy son op.
>>729562029Every employer on Earth has done shady shit. Does that mean you refuse to get a job?
>>729562143I'd say fusion as a whole doesn't. I mean, are we to assume two different rogue factions of the federation had the exact same idea, including utilising pirates and nightmare at one point, or that the same rogue faction did it twice despite a catastrophic failure mostly due to Samus and then they brought her back to the ship to cure her of an illness that can be cured by Metroid DNA, instead of just letting her die and unleashing the Metroids on the ship that you may possibly be in control of to stop it from spreading?
>>729589318He's a loser
>>729543261>Phantoon from nothingI thought that phantoon was a wild one?
Decided to finally play AM2R after Prime 4 was underwhelming. Holy shit that's a good game, but fuck the randomizer in my second run for making my last power up the space jump.
Princess Samus!
>>729594363>>729595690We know that's you ACfag.
>>729557197>it's was clear other m was supposed to be a soft reboot of the series,Soft reboot my ass, it was a full of sequel of Super and set up things in Fusion like Ridley's corpse you absolute cuck.That's half the reason people are mad about it because it was so obviously meant to be canon but doesn't work with the canon.
>>729596006>Nintendo fans would never act like porn addicts and spam porn in their threads!kwab
>>729596804Typical Acfag move.
>>729555682autism
>>729597848>tries acting like Nintendo fans would never spam ZSS>when 15 years of ZSS porn dumps would prove otherwise
>>729598364Hence, typical Acfag moveIt's almost as if posting ZSS is synonymous with you now since you do it the most.
>>729596006Oh cool I was mistaken for a schizo because I picked a random image from my Metroid folder. Thanks for reminding me why /v/ is a rancid hellscape devoid of any legitimate conversation and is nothing but retards screaming at made-up spooks in their head.
>>729594363AM2R is great, is a shame how quicly Nintendo killed it.
>>729599365So that means the entire fandom hates ZSS, and should naturally want it removed from the games. AND they would agree with the notion that sex fanservice is bad and should never be in video games.Good to hear.
