If you all hate AI, wouldn't you inherently hate procedurally generated games and rouge-likes as well?
No because I grew up with that form of rudimentary machine-produced content so it doesn't count.
jeets aren't sending their best
>>729548887>>729548887Why do people hate AI art? They say it steals from artists but that's not trueIt just 'looks' at a bunch of art from real people AND past AI images, and bases new compositions on that.That's no more stealing than a person being inspired by someone else's work and using it to create their own art and style. Is the entire genre of anime is stealing because arr rooks same?I for one think AI could revolutionize rogue-like games specifically, procedurally generated content is very limited but with a good AI behind it the potential for variety and originality is much greater
>>729548887>wouldn't you inherently hate procedurally generated gamesI always did though.
>>729548887games like that aren't procedurally generated. They have a selection of like 20 rooms and then they use dice rolls to determine which ones you go through, what enemies you fight and what loot you get. All the assets are still hand made, just randomized.
>>729550318No the thing is that AI companies aggresively scraped the whole internet including copyrighted content, and got away with it. If it was me or you then we would have faced consequences.
>>729548887The main reason I dislike Persona 3 and 4 are the procedurally generated dungeons. They're total dog shit compared to hand crafted dungeons.
>>729548887I do. I hate procedurally generated games more than you can even begin to fathom. They are the most lazy, soulless shit. The only people who like them are people who lack pattern recognition and so cannot recognize how absolutely shallow and samey procedurally generated trash is, and they actually think a rock moving 2 feet to the left is a "Totally new and unique experience, brah!"
>>729550490How? Your looking at copyrighted content everyday and memorizing it, it's the same.Do artists only study copyright free stuff or what they personally bought in order to train? Of course not
>>729548887Procedural generation is about generating tons of stuff very efficiently using as little data as possible, through very controlled algorith. It's the exact opposite of generative AI, which is about brute forcing gigantic data sets with as much computing power as possible with very generic and hard to even vaguely control algorithms.
>>729550408That's fair
>>729548887open world games are roguelikes are really bad games. i like hades and binding of isaac just cause their gameplay is really fun. i also don't care if ai art is used as long as its not total fucking dogshit. but i still don't play games that use mostly ai art because they're slop.
>>729550576>memorizing it, it'No we aren't. Not to the pixel. Human memory is vague.
He doesn't look a thing like Jesus
>>729552442It's the cuck's pushback agains the Latin Aryan Jesus
>>729552564But he speaks like a gentlemen
>>729548887no because i'm not ignorant enough to think these are even vaguely similar techniques
>>729549002i'm afraid that they are
>>729552564>jesus was a pale blonde gigachat>t. pilatei'm paraphrasing, go look it up
>>729552871*chad
>>729548887AI is good and I'm tired of pretending it isn'tAll this does is keep artistfags, unionfags, writerfags, and voice actor fags in check>oh noooo now i can't make 200,000.00 recording 5 hours of voices (if that)>oh nooooo now i can't make 10,000.00 a month on patreon drawing furry porn oh noooo
>>729552965based otakus
>>729552965Based
>>729548887>AIfag trying to deliberately muddy the distinction between procedural generation and AI slop
>>729552965So you do think the money that companies will save by replacing all those VAs and artists with AI will end up making your games cheaper? Or any better in the slightest?
>>729548887Two things that share a feature are not automatically equivalent.
>>729554459nope, aaa games aren't good anyway
>>729554181Thing is even companies are doing that, everything is labeled AI these days. Shit like NPC behavior and schedule? Oh yeah they're AI enhanced now (it's the same kind of AI our programmers coded 10 years ago but don't tell the investors we need the AI gibs)
>>729550318My biggest gripe with it is the fact that it's getting flooded everywhere, to the point where shit people make gets harder and harder to find. Low IQ subhumans feel the absolute need to dump every piece of slop they can to the rule 34 sites, often not even bothering to properly tag it so it can be filtered out.
>>729554547They absolutely do
>>729552185Who cares, it's the same thing. You don't have to memorise every detail of something to copy it.
>>729555589>where shit people make gets harder and harder to findIf it's harder to find that's because it's not as good and doesn't deserve to be found.
>>729552664This.>>729548887Apples & Oranges, OP
i just dont like hades 2 at all i hate this game its such a massive downgrade from the 1st game fuck this game
>>729552965AI looks like shit and sounds like shit. Why should something that puts out bad quality content 99% of the time?
>>729558014hope your fav nepotistic eceleb see this
>>729558014Not all the time
>>729558014But in 10 years bro, just think.Ignore all the damage it's doing right now and don't think too hard about how when the AI bubble burst its going to blow up the entire economy.
>>729548970It's literally the same shit. It's machine generated content.
>>729548887Yeah I hate starfield
>>729548887Procedural generation isn’t ai and ai isn’t procedural generationPeople are becoming incredibly stupid about ai. In 5 years people will be calling literally any piece of technology AI…
>>729548887retard
>>729561471>In 5 years people will be calling literally any piece of technology AI…blame the marketers labeling anything AI because AI is TEH HOT THING right now
>>729554459nta but yes I do think that. mainly because I am not mentally challenged and I can see what's coming.anyone who thinks that EVERY SINGLE GAME won't use AI for 3D assets in the future is genuinely mentally challenged>>729558014I already think it's better at VA than most western VAs. certainly it's better at art than most western artists
>>729563937When did this shit start? I don't remember the old fads being as bad as this.
>>729563937>AI when it was bad: fine>AI when it started getting millions of times better: BAD, THIS IS NOT AI>>729565567the guy is retarded
>>729565663Can you tell jewgle to stop nerfing gemini I actually liked erping with it
>>729550318>They say it steals from artists but that's not trueas technology changes, so do the definition and means of stealing.>it just 'looks' at a bunch of art from real people>That's no more stealing than a person being inspired by someone else's work and using it to create their own art and style.1. there is inherent value in a person being inspired and then learning that style. the machine is learning to copy the style, you aren't learning the style.2. a person can only produce so much work and only so fast. a machine can produce images in that person's style at thousands of times faster. Faster being the keyword there. Companies are less likely to hire artists when they can get generative AI to spawn something that looks good enough.>Is the entire genre of anime is stealing because arr rooks same?anime isn't respected as a style unless it is animated well, because yea, much of it looks the same. There are anime that stand out because an artist learned from existing styles and created something themselves. 3. YOU aren't creating anything when you prompt an AI to copy someone else's work, in the same way that you're not a soldier for playing COD, or a chef for ordering fast food. 4. there wouldn't be as much controversy if not for people needing to make money to survive. Artists would snub their nose at AI, but they wouldn't care as much that it's stealing since it wouldn't potentially cut into their livelihood.You're advocating for the homogenization of visual art. It will all look the same. Despite what the talentless degens claiming they hate "entitled artists", they sure do love to train their models off the artists' works.
>>729548887it's still wild to me that shitskins were so abysmally dogshit at looking up things on the internet they had to make a search engine to use a search engine for them
>>729566514it's so funny seeing these low IQ takes everywhere as the world quickly moves past you
>coolest character is not playable, not an ally, doesn't give you boons or a lucky charmThis is horseshit.
>>729548887>handcrafted rooms with slight differences in encounters based on a set of defined rules chosen in random orders through chanceversus>uncontrolled output based on prompts or vague inputs which won't generate a planned solutionWow, what is the difference between these? Maybe reddit can help you spot the difference?
>>729566658>proving his pointWow.
I don't hate ai, I hate woke shit.
>>729550318>That's no more stealing than a person being inspired by someone else's work and using it to create their own art and style.When people steal ideas from each other they're protected by fair use as long as the work in question is transformative enough. If we give AI that same protection that means we'd be treating AI like a person.Do you consider AI to be people? Should we treat them the same as people?
>>729548887>>729548970kill yourself shitjeet
>>729566936AI is just a tool, the rules didn't need to change. You can copyright AI work also.
>>729567014>You can copyright AI work also.The US copyright office disagrees
>>729557052>t. faggot that floods art tags with 1000+ pieces of shit that look clearly AI generated and no one likes makes it impossible to find the actual art.I'll say what I always say to AI fags, if you truly believe AI is the future why are you so scared of tagging it AI so people that don't want to see it can filter it out? Don't you have pride in your creation? Do you truly believe AI is the future if you need to act like a tranny that pretends it's a real woman when everyone knows the difference?
>>729550318If a big company took a bunch of my art and told their artists to "make something that looks like this" for their game or whatever you're damn right I'd be suing for plagiarism. AI is no different
>>729558014Then you just need to run it 100 times and you get 1 that is not bad quality you retard
>>729567109No it doesn't.
>>729567495The problem is AIfags don't have an eye for quality so they post every shitty gen alongside the one that can at best be called decent. That's the problem you retard.
>>729567684>hammers are problematic because some retards can't use them correctly
>>729548887I do.Roguelikes are universally shitty games for 2 reasons: it's all RNG and there's zero design.
>>729567379You're the one acting like a tranny saying art isn't art.
>>729567742>AIjeet refuses to answer the questionWhy are you so scared of tagging your "art" as AI-generated?
>>729567728just cause the nail is in the board doesn't mean it's gonna hold
>>729548887Every day I see stupider and stupider false equivalencies drawn in defense of AI. Are you people really so fucking retarded? You really have no argument for AI, do you?
>>729567764>implying I give a fuckCope lol.
>>729567925YWNBARA
>>729567925Poser lol.
>>729567684>>729567728The vast majority of AI tools are solutions for problems that don't exist.LLMs are used by lazy people who just want to delegate thinking to a machine because they're too dumb to think for themselves.Stable diffusion is for talentless people to pretend they aren'tGen AI users only make worthless slop or scamming attempts with it
>>729568227>digital art will never be better than oil canvas paintings, it's just not art
>>729552442WHEN WEWERE YOUNG
>>729567662Alright, go to the US copyright office and get your AI prompted art approved for copyright. I'll wait.
how come lefties are all for progressiveness but when it comes to AI the throw a hissy fit?
>>729568000>>729568036>copes harder
>>729552714kek
>>729568453https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/this-company-got-a-copyright-for-an-image-made-entirely-with-ai-heres-how/>>729568514Progress for me but not for thee.
>>729548887I do actualy. They are different things, though.
How will AI fags cope once the companies rugpull you and charge you 500 dollar a month just to use their basic service?You realize they make zero right now, right? They trained you faggots like dogs to shit on artists and and anti-ai sentiments. So they can later have a monopoly.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/artificial-intelligence/openais-chatgpt-ads-will-allegedly-prioritize-sponsored-content-in-answers/Hope you like ads>>729568514Deadend tech is bad.>>729568609Nah they'll just get recommended products per prompt and coca cola ads and worse will be genned up with every image created as well.
>>729568514How come rightoids make up funny catchphrases like "you will own nothing and be happy" but then support the biggest corpo overlord shit on the planet that will strip all ownership from normal people?
>>729568609>how will you cope once this impossible fantasy I have comes true???????lmao. why are you so pathetic?
>>729552442>>729552564this isnt even in the game you fucking idiots. this is fanart and it even says that in the filename
>>729568714>How come rightoids make up funny catchphrases like "you will own nothing and be happy"That came from the left sir. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_happyAI is the antithesis of this.
>>729568731I accept your concession.
>>729568714I just came to the conclusion that it's not about having any actual benefit because nihilism is deeply seeped into their culture, it is fundamentally anti-modernist and it rejects reason and seeks to go back to the day of old where they can just worship someone with divine presence. Which is why they all seem to worship some sort of figure like trump, musk or whatever.All of the anti-conformist, faux-punk rock aesthetic sensibility is just a way to recruit young men (in particular) into thinking they are going against the system in spite of the fact that they are the ultimate conformists.
>>729568771Maybe use your brain for a second. Who actually used this phrase the last 10 years? Wiki even explains it further down. Fucking retard.
>>729568560>Those AI elements are considered pre-existing material and aren't covered by the copyright. Instead, it's the new things people are adding -- their original imagery, text and so on -- that are covered.In other words only the human touch to the image is copyright and the ai slop is ignored. Looks like you're wrong.
>>729568826I just came to the conclusion that you're extremely retarded.
If you're earnestly comparing generated levels and AI assets you're either baiting or retarded. The type of insincere faggot who would say "Games have a always had AI" and then show a goomba walking forwardAnyway. Kill yourself
>>729568914Why is the basically next republican presidential nominee Nick Fuentes?
>>729568861Maybe learn what making up something means before you try to feign intelligence..
>>729568939Because you're extremely retarded and dogmatically believe whatever your reddit feed feeds you.
>>729569001>Le redditnah, reddit is mostly on that doomer shit about how we're all going to die
>>729569032You seem to know a lot about reddit. You should stay there.
>>729568514For lefties it's about theft of their art. For normal people it's about not wanting to deal with jeets and niggers pretending to be talented.Imagine if you had to blindly choose an artist(not knowing the name or ethnicity) and you have hundreds of AI generated slop entrants. Would you want any of them on your team? NO because jeets are subhuman and no one wants them anywhere near them or their work.
>>729548887>you inherently hate procedurally generated games NoProcedurally generating algorithms are still made and fine tuned by developers while AI slop. It's basically impossible to fine tune AI models with all that input data that AI companies feed them. Meanwhile Minecraft world generation code took more humans resources to develop than any popular LLM.
>>729568731>impossible fantasy>he thinks tech companies aren't greedy cunts>he thinks that what Anon's saying is bullshit after we just saw they'll happily take all the RAM from the market fucking over the consumer to push AI slop>He says this after Adobe went from a single paid purchase to a yearly subscription modelAnon, that or a subscription model are NOT impossible. In fact it's more likely they'll happen than not considering who's behind the tech.
>>729569131subhumans have no concept of history or future. they can't even remember how hard they gutted ai dungeon and chatgpt.
>>729566935I want to facefuck Eris so much it's unreal
>>729568870>retard doing mental gymnastics
>>729569131you're completely schizophrenic and are too spastic to acknowledge that people can use open source AI
>>729548887What do you mean by AI? Do you mean bullshit generators that string words together and do not understand the relations between them?
>>729552664the outcome is the same>AI replaces artists>Proc gen replaces level designers
>progress is always good>you're on the wrong side of history>NO NOT LIKE THAT
>>729570170>democratization is good>NO NOT LIKE THAT
>>729570170Progress towards what you stupid retard? Because whenever I have to see AI art out there it's either >Something made to scam boomers>Some twitter retard pretending that he actually drew it because xe wants clout>Jeets dumping 50 pics at once on porn boorus>Discord trannies erping with AI on 4chanLiterally nothing but scammers, grifters and coomers. Corpotards want to force their employees to use it because they think it reduces headcount, but it's natural usage out there it's just the most subhuman shit you can imagine
>>729570624cope harder until you see the light
>>729568757I show up to shitpost it everytime I see a Hades thread pop up
>japan>make hot boob string girl>america>make whatever the fuck that iswhy are they like this
