Miquella is clearly a Christ figure trying to save people through love and understanding without realizing that that's an impossible dream because of human nature, notice that as soon as Miquella's spell wear off everyone goes back to their true flawed selves. Shadow of the Erdtree is a criticism of Christianity's idea of divine love, there can be no such a thing unless you’re actively controlling people in which case it's not love but manipulation.
>>729557289no, he's literally just a bodhisattvathat's it.stop being retarded.
>>729557289Miquella is a twink hole
yeah elden ring is gnosticslop like basically everything else and grrm is a serpent seed kikegooks are born antichrists as well
>>729557357>>729557401>>>/r/eddit
>>729557289storm demon worshipers are insufferable
>>729557401>is that a blond male?? I want to molest his anus!!Why are nonwhites like this
>>729557601literally white culture + whiter than you raj + white women will never fuck you + low t
>>729557479Serpent seed is a psyop
>>729557596It's cliche at this point but Hollywood is truly demonic crazy
>>729557596Oh this image got more grim when I understood
Wow, it's really literally impossible to try to start an actual interesting discussion about a game's lore/story on /v/ nowadays, huh? This board is filled with the lowest IQ people out of every board I've been to. Just outright makes you regret even posting here.
>>729557713What do you expect of an institution created by Jesuits, the Catholics worship the Devil.
>>729557289It’s a tranny and trannies go to hell acc to Jesus
>>729557601weren't the greeks into fucking boys?
>>729557871What are you even complaining about? The entire thread so far has been on topic with the OP.
>>729558013No, it hasn't, I made the thread expecting actual discussion regarding the themes on Shadow of the Erdtree and so far the answers have been>hurr twink, serpent kike, hollywood, jesuits, trannies, look how funny i an guys am i fitting in???Seriously, for real, go the fuck back to /r/eddit you bunch of retarded normalfags.
>>729558012Show me in the original Greek where boyfucking was commonplace in the ancient texts.
>>729558469Holy shit. Truthnuke.
>>729557289When are jewish fairy tales finally dying out? I have extreme fatigue.
>>729558469>I can't control the directions taken in this on topic discussion and that upsets meMaybe plebbit is more your speed
>>729558645this should get you started, have a look through the sources and work your way from thereafter you're done let me know and I'll grade your workhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece
>>729558915wikipedia is my favorite primary source for true scholarly work
>>729558012>people actually believe ancient Greek tradition of older men mentoring boys "pederasty" was literally families just letting dudes rape their sonThe jewish educational system is working as intended.
hey guys, just got home whats goin on
>>729558979>failed to read the postwell done!
>>729557871The topic has been discussed to death already
>>729558992spartans also didn't fuck each other, according to your retarded brain
>>729557289Shadow of the erdtree is about collecting skibidooby fragments and mashing on i-frame roll when the bosses shoot lasers out of their assholes and the game turn into a bullet hell game. Miquella is a faggot femboy made so people online make mentally ill porn of him taking it up the ass so people indirectly do free marketing for the game and the dlc.
He's literally pic related
>>729557856Explain, because I don't get it.
>>729559123griffith wasn't cursed with staying a child forever
>>729559123So you're saying he's based and did nothing wrong?
>>729557289So you're saying Miyazaki made Elden Ring Jesus look fuckable?
>>729559071He‘s correct in pointing out that the scholarly consensus has largely landed on it being a non-penetrative form of mentorship between soldiers approximately in their mid 20‘s and soldiers approximately in the late teens. So, well, even though you were trying to do argument to absurdity because the proper framework was pointed out, you still ended up hitting on the truth unless you count intercrural for some reason.
The other SOTE thread is better
>>729559071Can you describe how one of these conversations went? Oh, wise faggot!>hello sir and ma'am>its Tuesday and I couldn't help but notice your 10 year old over there>mind if I rape him and completely humiliate him and his family>haha! By all means, good sir! Its tradition!Seriously kys, retard. Let me guess Alexander was gay too, because you think when the ancients speak of love they mean leaving a sticky mess.
>>729559397he was obviously gay.the best leaders and conquerors were gay.you've been misled, hoodwinked, led astray.think back, even guts unlocks his power after he gets it in the butt.
I relentlessly ate my gf's ass and fucked her for like 2 hours and now that she has fallen asleep she won't stop farting..
>>729559503He wasn't gay, at best he was bisexual which the Greeks tolerated. Actual faggotry wasn't really a thing.
>>729559026Where?
>>729559123Griffith wanted to become a king, but Miquella wanted to save others through love, they're nothing alike.
>>729559557>has never interacted with a gay personif you had you'd know that gay people also have an attraction to the opposite sex too, it might be 90% male attraction and 10% female attraction but it's there.yes, really.
>>729559503>Alexander is gay because I watch animeGet nigger aids and die in fire, imbecile.
>>729559561Type miquella in the archives
>>729557289Christianity also has an emphasis around fear of god so Miquella's manipulation isn't really a true criticism
I hate twinksI hate fagsI hate gaysI hate that sociopathic cuntLuv me girlsLuv me moonLuv me autistic chuuni wifeSimpleAs
>>729559994>0.001% of suriving relics have faggotry>society is a bunch of child raping degenerates Plato describing these acts as unatrual and corrupt is somehow an endorsement to you troons.
>>729557289All one has to do is think about the logistics of Heaven. You really think you and everyone you love are going to be the same people within a utopia? No. God would have to completely override everything that makes you 'you', otherwise you'd unintentionally destroy the hivemind harmony the second you walked in. It's all very silly
>>729560553These people worship a dead yid on a stick. Please don't bother trying to reason with them.
>>729560553Yeah if you're like 10 years old and think heaven is a meadow in the clouds where everyone frolics all day.
>>729560756I was told that no suffering exists in heaven. If not, it's essentially earth 2.0, which doesn't sound all that desirable if it is in fact, eternal.
>>729560818Heaven, if it existed, would be an experience transcendental of the human experience. If you're trying to rationalize it as "well I love videogames but I wouldn't want to play videogames for eternity" you're thinking at a level far bellow what is required to have a compelling opinion on the matter.
>>729560905If it existed it would fundamental break you if you has to go there. The human mind cannot withstand eternity.
>>729561092We're talking about the human soul.
>>729561137Meaningless conjecture. The "soul" is as real as your god.
>>729560905That's not what I said at all, but you putting words in my mouth tells me all I need to know about your own 'level of thinking'
>>729558794You are honestly representative of everything wrong with this website in the past like 15 years. The epitome of "I was/am an edgy teen and want to hang out where people only post stupid provocative shit". The website allows users to remain anonymous to enable the discussion of controversial opinions, not to derail every single fucking topic to stupid fucking culture war bullshit. Seriously I hope you are just underage and have a chance to mentally unstunt yourself, and that it's not already too late for you
>>729557289https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_npaLydKgKindly Miquella's theme song.
>>729560818>>729561092thinking that heaven = earth but only happiness exists is such a sheltered midwit's perspective. there are experiences you can right now on earth that can give at least give a 0.01% approximization of what heaven could theoretically be like (DMT, ketamine, etc). I say approximization because we have no idea what heaven is like other than it completely transcends whatever experiences we can have on earth and it's going to be infinitely greater than a hallucinagenic trip. but if you at least have the frame of reference for a hallucinagenic trip you could theoretically have an idea of what existence is like outside of yourself
>>729558992pervasive perception of Greeks as pedos is also a complete myth btw, not backed up by academics
>>729563875https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v9zl6mBpwc
>>729561327athestic nihilism is so fucking gay
>>729561327>if it existed
>Atheistfags thinking that non-existence after death is cool>christkikes think that joining a brainwashed hivemind is coolIt's like when the two sped kids at schools started beef with eachother
>>729564297And with the retard who butts in on an argument he isn't a part of to declare himself better than others.Kill yourself.
>>729557357>he's literally just a bodhisattvaPretty much. It's the same for Ranni. Interesting how Marika doesn't have four arms but Miquella and Ranni do. It's is something significant that I have yet to see the lore community pick up on.
>>729558012>weren't the Greeks into fucking boys?Most civilizations are. Even Mohammad engaged in a gay orgy with some Al Zutt men.
>>729557891He is Jewish you dumb bReddit atheist. As are the biggest shoes in Hollywood.
>>729564483Which one are you, the christard, or the atheistard?I need to know to properly make fun of your beliefs. If you are a believer of another religion please also state so, I have ammo for every single one of you>>729564731Bite a bullet and reincarnate as a shit eating cockroach, buddownie. Don't ever compare Ranni to your pajeet sky daddies ever again.
>>729564884>Bite a bullet and reincarnate as a shit eating cockroach, buddownie. Don't ever compare Ranni to your pajeet sky daddies ever again.Point to the four armed gods in the Abrahamic religions and I'll concede.
>>729564297I'm >>729563896 and I used the word heaven as a colloquialism, I don't think anyone really is going to get the afterlife right when we die, but I have done one of those ketamine clinics that are like $200 a session and tried DMT and my gut tells me that we're going to go to some kind of 4D/5D plane for *something*, where we exist as pure energy. It's really just kind of pointless to argue about anyway, but I just hate the atheist "oh wow the odds that we even exist in the universe are 103094320940329402394:1 but its just an accident chud" trite. Like that one faggot that always has to bring down the mood at a party. Just enjoy life, play vidya, and try and be a good-ish person (if nothing more than to make life slightly easier for a stranger).
>>729564981You already know there is a single abrahamic god and he looks literally like a regular human because to "him" that's the "perfect" form.You are just desperate for media representation like how trannies were in the past decade trying to force every trap and tomboy into transexualism.But you are an unlikeable fuck, the few cool things your crappy religion has got stolen and enhanced by the japs millenia ago, so you are forever irrelevant, and considering recent sociopolitic events, disliked by everyone, everywhere.
>>729563981Taytay has a few bangers that fit with souls games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko70cExuzZM
>>729565339Atheist here. My outlook these days is that it is fruitless to pit science and religion against one another because they're asking different questions. One is asking what is the meaning of the cosmos, while the other is asking what it means to be human. Once you do that in your mind, you can enjoy both side by side one another. Honestly, the same problem occurs when you make men and women compete with one another instead of them complementing each other.
>>729565691Nigger, Fromsoft are a Japanese company where Shinto is their main religion that was also influenced by Buddhism. Stop being retarded faggot in thinking that they don't take inspiration from religions all around the world, especially those that are native to the company.
>>729565864+100 izzat
>>729565691>he looks literally like a regular human because to "him" that's the "perfect" formDoes God have an appendix?
>>729566098I'm not a christfag so idk, but my best interpretation is that by "image", it's meant outer physical/visual manifestation. And we are the only beings in the universe with this "form", other beings including every type of angel can transform to mimic him/us, but never actually be like him/us
>>729565691>he looks literally like a regular human because to "him" that's the "perfect" formWhy was he mean to this girl? What did she do wrong?
>>729567187The fuck I know or care, do I look like a christkike to you?Also put a spoiler next time, fucking disgusting.
>>729558645It's impossible to read Meno without coming to that conclusion, but the Symposium says it outright multiple times. Love between a man and a femboy is called "Heavenly Love" and they all agree it's way better than love between a man and a woman.
>>729564731Oh yeah, it sure is a buddhism theme when you have crusader warriors, holy light spells, godhood through sacrifice, the concept of saving people through love, all that in a western fantasy setting, yup, gotta be buddhism instead of christianity that is being referenced.
>>729570156You're only saying that because Christianity is the only religion you know about.
>>729570295I have read entire books about buddhism and daoism, you fucking retard.
I don't remember the part where Jesus Christ cut his Love from himself and threw it in the trash because it wouldn't let him be an effective sociopathic mass murderer. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing that Jesus would strongly suggest against doing.
>>729570342>I have read entire books about buddhism and daoism, you fucking retardAnd...
>>729570449Jesus sacrificed himself to "save" humanity, exactly what Miquella tried to do.
>>729557289>dumb mutt thought based Nippons would ever put a chritcuck figure in their games as anything other than a bossLMAO
>>729567187This was already addressed in the Bible by the way; the real answer is that the Lord *allows* such evil to happen to reveal His infinite glory (as in the End Times true believers will have their bodies perfected).I am curious why you even ask though since you don't seem to care either way.
The fact this pajeet retard keeps insisting on tying Ranni to hindubuddhism is almost sad.The only thing you can cherrypick is her doll having 4 arms. That's it. She doesn't behave at all like your poo deities, nor even tries to be one, no "enlightment", no cycle bullshit, no overcoming of "temptations" or "wants".Her only objective is become truly immortal and untouchable so she can act like the planet aegis/shadow against the eldritch horrors from outer space, and in that process give everyone true freedom and equality, and potentially prepare to face any other evil ayy lmao that wants to invade if her power falters or she fails to shield/hide the planet.By the time you start the game she already achieved the first part, if you do her route, she achieves the second, and you get to marry and plow that sweet sweet bluessy in the moon for aeons
>>729559131the one on the right is his son.
>>729571297>This was already addressed in the Bible by the way; the real answer is that the Lord *allows* such evil to happen to reveal His infinite glory (as in the End Times true believers will have their bodies perfected)And everyone is okay with that? To bad for those that have been waiting millennia for that day to come (not that they need a body anymore).
>>729571591The Bible also addresses this argument, maybe you should read it if you're so interested?
>>729570449 That’s because Jesus wasn’t a cursed demigod locked in a tree by his psychotic mother so he couldn’t bring back his twin brother and birth a new age with his waifu. FromSoft doesn’t do 1:1 allegories, they Frankenstein mythologies and themes into something thematically resonant but original. Miquella’s story is more like if Jesus, Loki, and 40 pages of Jungian psychology all got thrown into a boss arena. It’s not about emulating Christ, it’s about using that archetypal self-sacrifice motif and then twisting it through trauma and cosmic horror.
>>729557289I think you're thinking too much into it, and in reality it's just another miyazaki game with overt pederasty innuendoes.But wait a minute, was there ever a Miyazaki game WITHOUT overt pederasty innuendoes? I think DS2 is the only one. Wait a fucking minute, I think I finally understand why it's so widely disliked by Souls fandom.
>>729571650>The Bible also addresses this argument, maybe you should read it if you're so interested?Enlighten me anon seeing as you're already invested.
>>729571784Romans 9:20-21Isaiah 45:9I also recommend reading the Book of Job, happy reading fren!
>>729570878>Jesus sacrifices himself- goes through massive suffering purely out of love for humanity, gives up all of his power in every sense of the word- political, "magic", physical, etc. to die as a mortal man. Upon his rebirth immediately fucks off to Heaven and says "ok you're saved, try not to be a bunch of dicks">Miquella "sacrifices" himself- Severs his empathy and love explicitly so he can become more powerful, drags the corpse of his brother who he brainwashed into centuries of insane servitude and schemed to have murdered when his use was done to a shadow realm so it can be used as a vessel for... his OTHER brother's soul who he sent his sister to go murder purely so he could rip his soul from his insane rotting body, (rotting thanks to his sister), and cram into the mutilated corpse of his other brother and mindrape into becoming his gay husbando, (since he probably couldn't compel Radhan in his prime to obey, else why even go through this whole charade?), and in the process completely sundering his sister's sense of self because she had to go sicko mode just to keep up with Radhan, to the point that she's yet another borderline-mindless husk sitting around for literally centuries waiting for the brother who abandoned her to return>All of this was just to gain more personal power and rule as a God, when he already had more than enough power to do this beforehand. He literally could have just walked into Leyendell, sat on the Throne, declared himself Lord, and there wouldn't be a single thing anyone could do to stop him.Yeah seems like a pretty good messiah to me
>>729565339>>729565761Picking on what these two anons saidI'm not an atheist, nor I will state my beliefs, but I will let you faggots in a lil secret lifehack:The second you learn to separate religion from reality, and treat every single one like mythology, as modern humans treat, say, Greek, Roman, Egyptian or Celtic, you discover an amazing new world of fantastic literature, like, really cool shit out there.Pick a sacred book from a live religion, any one you feel interested, and read it like how you would read Tolkien or Lovecraft or whoever you like, and then thank me later.
>>729564884>Don't ever compare Ranni to your pajeet sky daddies ever again.bruh going to lose it when he googles where the name comes from. plus shes literally blueas though I needed proof the internet is full of retards.
>>729572209it's why i fucking hate myths, fantasy and tolkien. It's all badly written religious nonsense with zero entertainment value cause nothing makes sense with each other. Even the "wow that just happened" can't sustain my interest when it's the only plot device in the fucking book.
>>729571732His games have always been full of philosophy and religion, Artorias and the Abyss in DS1 is basically an allegory to Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil.
>>729572054All that reaching ignores one basic point that almost every single character in the game makes: Miquella is a kind person.
>>729572240You already did this in a previous thread, you got your name bullshit shoved up your ass since her name is a wordplay from a pagan european deity. The translation or meaning you said her name has in pooism doesn't make any sense either considering she is no queen nor tries to be one.Also ancient celts/anglos liked to paint themselves blue, does it make her bri'ish?Dumb fucking piece of cow shit.
>>729572448>You already did this in a previous threadlmao no, I didn't. that just means someone else also knows Ranni is an indian name which isn't exactly rocket science.
>>729572349And that's okay, we all have our literature preferences. I was just giving a tip to fellow anons who are into fantasy/myth.
>>729559613>Miquella wanted to save others through love>proceeds to discard his love
>>729572668even the ghost in the st trina cave knows he fucked upall he had to do to win was be the dlc level up "girl"
>>729572525nice ignoring every counterpoint saar, india number one!!!1!+500 izzat
>>729572706>remove the whole bullshit with radahn>could've had dialogue and lore dumps with the trap, maybe more>an actually interesting final boss instead of "bro imagine their faces when they see radahn in his PRIME bro they're gonna pog out so hard fr fr">a new ending instead of a pathetic short cutscene of Miquella asking radahn to be his consort after fighting the enemy titled Consort of Miquellacould've been great
>>729573038Everyone loved Radahn's lore in the base game, every character says he was the most badass warrior and in the DLC we got to experience that firsthand, but now you people are trying to force this discourse that he was disappointing and actually a bad character? He was one of the best final bosses ever design wise and moveset wise.
>>729573038I just wanted Godwyn's story to be resolved.
>>729573226He's dead, what else is left to be resolved?
>>729573253Clearly not dead enough.
I didn't read the thread but what was the deal with Melina's left eye? Where in the DLC is that answered?
>>729573214>Everyone loved Radahn's lore in the base game>every character says he was the most badass warriorJust because you get a boner at that doesn't mean everyone does. To me and others all that sounds at the level of teenagers discussing Goku vs Superman powerlevel bullshit
>>729557289He just inherited his mothers brainwashing abilities and used them because he lacked physical power. Its Miyazaki writing a love story ending for Guts and Griffith
>>729573609I don't think it's stated Marika has brainwashing powers anywhere, unless "do what I say or I'll crush you like a bug, (and not in a goonerbait way), counts as brainwashing.Unrelated,>Golden Lineage can do Grafting but it's considered a shamefur dispray>At first I assumed it was some forbidden rite or whatever and not specifically a Golden Lineage thing, in theory anyone could do it>DLC>Shamans, including Marika>Oh, Grafting is literally doing the Shaman "Flesh Melding" thing but on purpose instead of being crammed in a jar and whipped to do itNo wonder it's a shameful thing if Grafting was literally the reason your lineage was enslaved and used as living glue.
>>729573589Maybe videogames aren't for you then? Go read Shakespeare or some shit if you want "serious" stuff and realism.
>>729571912>Romans 9:20-21>Isaiah 45:9>I also recommend reading the Book of Job, happy reading fren!No, that's not good enough. Post the bits that you're referring to. I'm not going on a hunt to guess what you have in your mind. Absurd to think that is even a useful argument.
>>729573807You're rarely the brightest person in a room, are you?Your reading comprehension is really so terrible that I'm thinking you likely are a teenager if that's what you draw from me saying I find it cringy when I see a character so forcibly hyped to be "badass".
>>729573214Yeah because being a cripple on a horse that need to be fought in a horde raid WAS COOL. Whatever he did in the DLC was not even remotely cool or creative.
>>729563341seriously stfu zoomer, not every thread needs to go like you think it should
>>729572448>You already did this in a previous thread, you got your name bullshit shoved up your ass since her name is a wordplay from a pagan european deityWrong anon you're accusing there. It was me that said it. Moon goddess Ranni sounds like it took ideas from the Germanic moon god Mani. The Germanic tribes celebrate this god every seven days (Monday).
>>729574136It's a jap game, it's wholly possible her name is supposed to be Lanni.
>>729573870I am not arguing with you. It's useless to argue with you when you already admitted that you don't know anything about the subject. That's why I'm telling you; if you're interested then read it yourself.
>>729557931Where?
>>729573472She's the Gloam Eyed Queen.Maliketh killed her body so she couldn't finish the job of destroying the tree previously, but Marika rebirthed her without a body so she could do it as a kindling maiden.She has the power of Destined Death and the fire to do it.
>>729574540She's Marika's "Daughter" in the same way that St. Trina is Miquella's, Millicent is Malaria's, and so on. A piece of Marika cut off and given the explicit purpose of "burn the tree".There's also the whole "She literally has Ranni's face" thing that never comes up.
>>729573990We know exactly what you're doing, it's you who don't realize how dumb you sound.
>>729574791Wrong. Stop talking about old stupid loretuber shit, my version is correct.
>>729574791i fucking hate that meme "marika's face" and "non gooner marika's face" bullshit when it's very fucking obvious that ranni and melina have her face
