>From what we’ve heard, the industry as a whole is concerned about RAM availability (as they should be) and what that is going to mean for mass-producing consoles at a competitive price point. Not only for the next generation, but it could also mean that yet more price increases for current generation consoles will hit us in 2026.>From what we understand, the situation has led console manufacturers to debate whether the next generation of consoles should be delayed from their intended 2027-2028 release window, with the hope that RAM manufacturers will be able to build out their infrastructure to produce more RAM, thereby allowing prices to drop.>Regardless of what happens, though, it seems that the next couple of years could see the current generation of consoles increase in price further.
we literally don't need better hardware, graphics have peaked, just make games...
>>729585775I can tell you've not owned a console recently. Games still run at 30 (THIRTY) fucking frames a second. You still want to try and convince others that the hardware is there? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>729585520>Next generation delayed due to no games ftfy
This is the first and likely last good thing AI has ever done.We don't need another console gen.
>>729585901Didn't stop the PS4 and PS5 from existing lol
>>729585890don't all ps5 games have a performance mode though? the console has power, devs just need to stop with the GrApHiCaL FiDeLiTy meme.
>>729585775This. They need to start focusing on good art styles again. The insane focus on graphics is what’s making everything take 8 years to develop. I’d be perfectly happy with going back to sixth gen visuals if it meant that games actually come out on time, have memorable art direction and are fun to play.
>>729585775>we literally don't need better hardware, graphics have peaked, just make games...This, MGSV ran on a PS3 with 512mb of RAM, learn to optimize your fucking games
>>729585520GoodMake PS5 games now
>>729586103>don't all ps5 games have a performance mode though?Now I know for sure you don't own a PS5, because if you did, you would not be talking about performance mode right now. Games look like fucking DOGSHIT on performance mode. Even if you've never played a game in your life, you will be able to tell the difference. It's a horrific, blurry, filthy, smeary, pixelized mess. Consoles NEED a new generation ever 8 years or so. Having said that, the PS5 and XSX weren't all that bad in terms of raw power. They were actually pretty decent. The PS4 and Xbone were DOA back in 2013. That console generation did a significant amount of damage to gaming.
>>729585520/g/ taking over /v/
>>729586392>Games look like fucking DOGSHIT on performance mode.stopped reading, kys graphicsnigger
>>729585890The hardware itself is already good enough to run everything at 4K/60fps. Devs being incompetent pajeets or DEI hires is the source of the actual problem.
I dont care, ps6 is shaping up to have no games and xbox is already dead, a $1500 console with games like gay nigger troon 7 isn't gonna save them
>>729586392I play all of my PS5 games on performance mode. I’ve never been bothered by the way they look. Let me guess, you think N64 and PS1 games “look unplayable”. I hope they stop catering to graphicsfags like you. You’re the cancer ruining gaming.
>>729585890All games have performance modes these days, even Nintendo. The hardware is more than fine the problem is dev skill/poor management
>>729585520Looks like Nintendo is winning again lmao.
>>729586454>t. plays with DLSS on performance mode/TAA on and sees no issues with the obvious artefacting and blur
>>729585520and they were making fun of us, thinking this would only affect PCs
>>729587151nice try but i only play native res (1080p) on my 7800XT. There's ways around blurry TAA, though most games solved this already.
>games still releasing on PS4 and Switch 1this gen is shit, man.
Good. PS5 came out in 2020 but for all of 2020-2022 every game was built for PS4/XBoneLet's run out this generation for as long as possible
>>729587502>PS5 came out in 2020Fuck...
>>729587082The Switch 2 is going to still have its price go up, and being a newer console that is a problem since they still need to move units for it.If they suddenly start porting things down for Switch 1 it's not going to go well with investors.
>>729587082Yeah tendies won't care even if Nintendo doubles the price of the Switch 2. But Sony/Microsoft/PCfags have some standards.
>>729587601Sounds like Switch 2 has significant negative sales momentum>extremely fast launch sales>terrible Black Friday/Holiday sales>year 2 price INCREASE>no Zelda/Mario/Smash Bros game on the immediate horizon
Games should be at 1440p at 120fps at maximum. And as low as 480p 4:3
I told you retards consoles get affected too but you laughed at me and said it was a PC only issue. No retard everything that using ram is fucked. PC. Console, phones...
>>729585520Great opportunity for either of them to swoosh right in with a heavily subsidised hardware at super low price for even the PC equivalent.Would be a long term plan though to overtake huge pieces of the console pie and then make money 10 years later.
>>729585890retard
>>729587920Price increases because it sells like hotcake, retard.
>>729585520But they've both already designed their chips if they push the release back the techs going to be super outdated
>>729587347>PC retard thinks that big companies sourcing their components in millions straight from the maker will pay the same as smelly fat neck beard buying pair of sticks after it went through 3 middlemen and retail shop.Anyone who say PC faggots are smarter is full of shit.
>>729588537Holy fucking cope. He's taliking about the future price increase due to higher production costs. And xbox probably sells like hotcakes judging by your 70iq logic, lmao
>>729588654>sourcing their components in millionsAnon, multiple big companies have already left the consumer market because it doesn't make sense to provide chips to people on their own dollar.Fucking Nvidia has told all of their AIB partners to go pound sand and source their own memory chips because Nvidia doesn't want to pay to include memory on their own chips anymore.If you think this won't impact consoles, you're a fucking moron.Which is fitting for a consolefag.
I just dont care anymore, i spent 2000€ on a 4090 and all i play is jrpgs that a vita could run, tried Expendition 33 but it has the brown fog look that plagues every UE5 game.
>>729588653They're better off selling them at 1k+ now, discount it when the ram shortage ends and then gift the people who bought it early the difference in PS/XB store money.
>>729586103>>729586556>>729586815>>729588461GTA 6 is gonna be locked to 30FPS even on the PS5 prosave this post
>>729585520That means gabecube is probably delayed too and so is HL3
>>729587502>2022They're still pumping out Xbone and PS4 games. The newest CoD just came out on those consoles.
>>729585520Honestly, they should just wait. The current gen consoles had a fucked up start due to covid so they didn't get a lot of games, this would even things out.Would be a big boon for Nintendo though so maybe Sony wants to rush out a new console so the Switch 2 can't get all the third party games for an extra couple years.
>>729585520there will never be a next genwe don't need it, no one has any money left to buy a 900 dollaridoos paperweight to play ps4 games at 12K and devs can barely keep up with current hardware (games take even longer and cost even more than last gen with no discernible differences)even former snoy execs admited that the usual generations model is done for and they'll have to find new ways to get money (hence the focus on GaaS)
>>729589616I disagree, they can push for RT+60FPS and 120 FPS modes for next gen.
>>729588653>But they've both already designed their chipsDoesn't matter if you've designed the chips if the companies that produce the memory (Micron, Samsung, and TSMC) are charging the companies that produce the chips in your console (Nvidia and AMD) increased prices for memory because they only want to sell to these companies for their AI expansion, and Nvidia and AMD will charge Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo more for those gaming chips to make up for the revenue they lost that COULD have been made selling more chips to AI companies for vastly higher prices at vastly larger volumes.A single high-end GPU for AI is sold for upwards of $500k, and every server usually contains anywhere from 4-8 of those GPUs, and every rack contains 20-40 servers, and every data center contains hundreds, if not thousands, of racks.The largest data centers in the US use over 1 gigawatt/hr, which, at 1 KW per GPU, means over 1 million GPUs, which means over $500 billion in JUST GPUs at the largest data centers in the US.If you think AMD or Nvidia are making anywhere near even just $100 billion across the entire lifecycle of ANY current console, you're insane, and they WILL gladly choose to sell more AI chips instead of making chips for consoles, unless the console companies decide to pay more to make up for the revenue Nvidia/AMD will lose producing those chips, which means the console companies WILL charge more for their consoles, unless they want to lose $1000+ per unit.
the retards that bought a ps5 pro might have actually made a good investment if they get an extra 2 years out of it lmao
COVID generation DRAM generation
>>729589616>devs can barely keep up with current hardwareName a single studio which actually tried to fully utilize the current generation hardware. More powerful hardware just means less effort spent optimizing. The actual graphics haven't made any progress since the last generation
>>729589902PS5 Pro will never be a good investment because games often just run worse on it
>>729589451>Sony wants to rush out a new console so the Switch 2 can't get all the third party gamesthat wouldn't work since sony will also make a handheld with a far lower power profile and so devs will still have to develop with this hardware in mind which will benefit nintendoof course by the time this supposed ps6/vita 2 release switch 2 will already be in the middle of its life
>>729588654samsung isn't even selling ram to their other divisions, you dweeb. and that was before 40% of all future ram for the next 2 years was bought out by a single company and before crucial exited the market.
>>729585520good. we don't need a PS6 till 2030
>>729586241so that's just two images of MGSV?
>>729585520>[Sad News] Next generation of consoles delayedhow is this bad news. no one cares about new hardware. PS5 level graphics/budgets is more than the industry can handle right now. we are getting killer games as it is.
what happens if RAM prices don't drop by 2030?
>>729585520The ps5 and Series Xbox can't even afford to slash prices, any new gen would have been over a thousand bucks
>>729592067You pay $1000 for a PS6 or $2000 for an entry level PC.
>>729585520i don't care
>>729585775FPBPJust make some fookin' games mates
>>729585890Start scaling back muh gwafix then, every system including the Switch 2 should be more than enough to make a good game, no I don't give a single shit about 4K hyper realistic horse cock textures, stop focusing on retarded shit like that.
I hope this kills playstation
>>729587849LmaoXbox were the first to get paid online, then snoys defended sony doing it when PS4 did it. Sony also raised the price of their system AND online at least 5 times, and it’s sold 80m units
>switch 1 comes out during the covid lockdown>switch 2 comes out right before a ram crisis>developers will have to actually start optimizing games again because a lot of them can't risk ignoring Nintendo this time due to xbox flatlining Weird times
Good. Too soon for a PS6 anyway.
>>729593205>>switch 1 comes out during the covid lockdownRetard
>>729594259Rude. Meant animal crossing.
>>729585520【fantastic news】
>>729585775fpbpop is a retarded nigger/thread
>>729585775This. 2015 games like Witcher 3 mog a lot of current "gen" games unironically.If RAM apocalypse forces studios to actually bother to optimize then it's a good thing.
>>729585890>my horrendously contra-optimized grafixniggering consoleslop runs at shitty framerates, da hurdwurr usnt durrr!!sucks to be a consolenigger, eat shit, die
>>729595336It's going to utterly decimate lots of UE5 dogshit made for goycattle, but overall it'll be a net positive for the industry.
>>729589206GTA 6 character models look like PS3
Devs should just start targeting the Deck and Steam Machineeveryone wins
>>729585520Oh noAnyway Sucks to be an UE5 dev. All the other games work fine.
