So let me get this straight: jeets are making windows 11 so terrible, that Steam/Gabe felt that if this continues, pc gaming will be negatively impacted so they proactively made their own console to dab on windows jeets?So we are full circle going back to consoles are better for gaming, in a way?
No, LINUX is better for PC gaming, it's a Linux computer.Well technically GNU/Linux, happy to help!
>So we are full circle going back to consoles are better for gaminglol no.Lmao, no.
>>729608526So what will this look like for Microsoft penis going forward. Only white female remote workers will buy their laptops?
It's partly a contingency for Valve in case they need to jettison themselves from Windows. The Windows store turned out to be absolute shit but there was a fear that microsoft would pull an Apple and try to herd all software stores onto the windows store, which may have been an impossible task but wouldn't have stopped Microsoft from trying and potentially killing Valve's business in the meantime
>>729608451Basically yes, people often forget but the PlayStation, up until 3, was just a PC that was optimised and intended for gaming since you could install Linux on to the PS1-3 and just use mouse and keyboard. Only reason Sony stopped that was because of the US government and various universities and companies buying up PS3's to use as work PC's or to make PS3 clusters for Supercomputers since the PS3's hardware at the time was just that good for the price.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster
>>729608947Neat. Thanks for that
>>729608451>So let me get this straight: jeets are making windows 11 so terrible, that Steam/Gabe felt that if this continues, pc gaming will be negatively impactedWrong, it has been like this since windows 8.
>>729609206Just another little fact, if Sony really feels threatened by Valve and the Steam Cube they could just bring OtherOS back for the PS5 and PS6, OtherOS was what it was called, since they still use FreeBSD line for their base OS for the PS5 and since they sell the PS5 at a profit, unlike the PS3 which they sold at a loss, it wouldn't really affect them as much. Not to mention since they can just update their software existing PS5's would also be able to have OtherOS since it's mostly just adding onto already existing software within the PS5.
>>729608451It's to protect Steam more than users. Anyway console gaming was always better for gaming than PCs if we consider everything but economics. The advantage PCs had was that they were cost-effective, common and offered enough freedom to pirate everything, this is no longer the case thanks to overpriced RAM/GPUs, declining desktop market share and tough DRM like Denuvo. Nowadays the draw to PC gaming is unironically the plethora of games on it, which are mostly on Steam. Not making a Steam console is just leaving money on the table and potentially endangering the long term viability of Steam and PC gaming.
>>729609532No way in hell they are doing thatThey will sooner go cloud gaming
>>729608451Win11 is fine, it's the same as 10 basically.
>>729608451I don’t even know if this is going to come out at this point. Ram and ssd prices are fucked for the foreseeable future
>>729609682So did you miss the press releases a few weeks ago where Microsoft admitted they had broken nearly every part of Windows 11?W11 started as a shittier (for end users) version of W10 but it has continued to get worse.
>>729609682Stop anon, just nod your head like a good redditor and hate Windows 11. Don't forget to claim every other edition of Windows is bad.
>>729609624Hey, a man can dream that OtherOS comes back some day for the PlayStation. I doubt Sony themselves would be opposed to the idea anyways, they already put most of their games on Steam and OtherOS just ensures people have a greater draw to use the PS5 over other systems that are available and make it so that they can even compete with the PC userbase while still being a proper console. They aren't reliant on game sales to make a profit on the console as well since they don't sell at a loss anymore, their OS can be updated remotely and none of the previous concerns are really there anymore. I doubt it will happen but it would be nice to see.
>>729609940W11 iot enterprise isn’t that bad compared to other editions
>>729608451>consoles are better for gaming, in a way?the steamcube isn't a console. it's a pre-built PC.
>>729610487Just stick with pro if you have any self-respect.
>>729608749what
>>729609940thanking you for redeem of the defending winjeet 11 good saar. many positive izzat has been recognized for you.
Honestly knowing Valve the Steam Machine probably just exists because one of the employees wanted>A slightly more powerful Steam Deck that works fine plugged into a TV from time to time and I can stream shit from it to my Steam Deck.You considering most of why the Steam Deck exists is because Gabe wanted something more convenient to play MMOs with his kid on his Yacht.
>>729610560kys
>>729610639I'm on linux you fat paki
>>729608451>It's shaped like a console, so it is a console!ayyy lmao, you people need to be lashed in a public square.
>>729608749microsoft doesn't give a single fuck about consumers. that's simply not where the money is anymore.
>>729610682>right click >hide / uninstallimagine being filtered by windows of all things
>>729610696don't threaten me with a good time
>>729610696Will you be using steam machine to do homework or working from home, retard?
>>729610918I mean you could, if you wanted to.
>>729610734>next windows update reinstalls it
>>729611125No it doesn't.
>>729610993Nah.
>>729608451>So we are full circle going back to consoles are better for gaming, in a way?No, it's the opposite. Linux is more open than windows.
>>729608451This comes way before Win11, Valve started getting involved since the Win8 fiasco.
>>729611278I wouldn't really say it was the "windows 8 fiasco" I'd say it was the "microsoft announcing that they plan to go full monopoly on software distribution before they were actually ready to do it and demanding Valve merge with them".
>>729611879Oh yeah, the Microsoft Store. lmao
>>729608451>consoles are better for gamingthat has always been the case
>>729608451>jeets are making windows 11 so terribleAbsolute freetard cope. How's that compatibility coming? Oh right, still at only 10% of the top 10 games on Steam. Sad.>>729608947OtherOS was removed because of fears over the system being pwned using it. And then Sony got sued for that lmfao.
>>729610708Wait till Azure crashes for a few days.
>>729612239>How's that compatibility coming? Oh right, still at only 10% of the top 10 games on SteamReminder that if we're being honest, 100% of the terrible anticheat dogshit games run perfectly fine on linux since they crash appropriately.If they didn't immediately ack themselves they wouldn't be running "properly".
so how much is the base one gonna cost? fucking sucks watching Valve pussy out of naming a price because they don't wanna get gigafucked by RAM price spikes as soon as they do
>>729612559It's either going to be the price of a prebuilt before AI niggers assfucked the RAM market, or the price of a prebuilt afterwards.
>>729608451It started with windows 8 and how MS included a windows app store. Gabe realized that at any point, MS could try to turn windows into a walled garden and completely cut Steam out. That was when Valve started going down the road of trying to untether themselves from windows. The initial outing with the first steam machines was a complete failure (but OG steam controller is still based) but eventually it would lead to proton and the rest is history.The fact that MS are currently shooting themselves in the foot is just adding fuel to the fire.
>>729612778>MS could try to turn windows into a walled garden and completely cut Steam out.They actually threatened Valve and demanded they merge with them.That's what mostly set off the whole Valve on Linux thing.
>>729608451>So let me get this straight
>>729608451Microshart is too big to fail you're always going to need w11 for work no matter how jeeted up it gets
On Christmas, my brother and I were planning on trying out Halo Infinite and doing some co-op. Neither of us played it before, first time booting the game for each of us. I use arch linux and it instantly booted up and everything worked perfectly. He uses windows 10 LTSC and it hung after the EAC splash screen every time, while a million instances of the game's .exe started popping up in task manager and eating his entire 32gb of ram. He tried installing latest nvidia drivers, downgrading to specific drivers, all the typical bullshit, was never able to play together. And this is a microsoft game, mind you. He's now back at his place and installing arch linux to use as his primary OS.
>>729613059Depends on what you mean by failure. They're not going away any time soon, no, but if consumers stop buying them because of their constant jeetsharting and anti-consumer practices then game developers will stop using winjeet as the standard. They'll exist only in a corporate environment and once boomers die off and actual people who understand tech enter politics these cloud service monopolies will start getting trust-busted.In other words, they'll be a cultural failure and nobody will give a shit about them anymore, but they'll still exist as some nebulous evil corporation for quite awhile after that.
>>729608451Gaben has felt this way since Windows 8 (probably even before then, that's just when he made his feelings public) and the launch of the Windows Store. That's why the SteamOS/Steam Machine project started in 2012, although it's taken this long for them to develop a solid product and a concrete strategy of fighting Microsoft. But you'd know that already if you weren't a zoomer.
>>729613059Microsaar won't die mainly because of Azure and 365.
>>729613059enterprises will definitely be the final holdout in a theoretical scenario where everyone switches. But just because your office is using slow bloated windows 11 PCs doesn't mean consumers will continue to use them in perpetuity. Just like how there are plenty of people who use macs despite windows having a monopoly in corporate settings. Even now, we're starting to see the first signs of the tide changing. Laptop OEMs are beginning to sell SKUs that don't include windows. For gaming there's the deck and other portables using steamOS, and now the gabecube. All it takes is a certain percentage of adoption before companies see linux as being a large enough install base where it now becomes pragmatic to actually support. And once companies start doing a better job supporting their software on linux, that just leads to even higher adoption, and so it goes. I'm not saying the 'year of the linux desktop' is here or anything like that, and I doubt linux as-is will ever become the dominant OS. But I do think that a decade from now, there's going to be a hell of a lot more support and normalization for linux
>>729608451>let me get this straight>followed by the stupidest take full of wrong informationnever change /v/i bet they plan on selling no more than 2 million units of the new steam machine in its first year. its not going to do gangbusters. its a device they can bundle with their new controller, which is good for pc games.
>>729608451>Mini PC with no No GPU
>>729614468it has a gpu though
>>729608451It's not quite a console, it's more an entry-level PC or really a hybrid between a console and PC in the same way that the Switch is a hybrid between a console and a handheld.It's likely Valve will publicly release SteamOS around the same time as the GabeCube.
>>729614786>it's more an entry-level PCIt's honestly really funny how schizophrenic this declaration is when it's several times better than the steam deck and that can basically play every game worth a shit at or around its native res.
>>729608451>Gabe cares about pc gaming>valve cares about linux>neither of these entities punish shitty anti cheat or anti linux practicesOkay fag here's your (OP)
>>729608451Anon, that's now why Steam/Gabe is trying to do this.They tried to do Steam Machines before and it failed utterly.This is just them attempting to do it again, and hoping the cult of personality thing is strong enough at this point to actually be successful this time.I'm betting it is. The Valve devotism stuff is pretty much at Apple product devotee levels now.
>>729616342the big difference is proton. Nowadays pretty much every game work on linux (except those with shitty anticheats where they deliberately prevent it from working on linux). A decade ago with the original steam machines, only a handful of games specifically ported to linux worked, which basically meant flash games and valve's own titles.
>>729608451Not a console.>>729608749If it ever gets so bad that it's truly over for Windows, then Microsoft will just release a Microsoft Linux™ which will immediately be hailed as the best Linux for gaming regardless of whether Microsoft actually bothers to improve anything. (They probably could improve some things for gaming, like including the proprietary video codecs etc. for which Linux users sometimes need workarounds and maybe locking down the kernel enough to satisfy any anti-cheat spyware needs, but just having Microsoft's name on it would make 90% of /v/ assume it's the first ever usable Linux, much in the same way that people who never used Linux on a desktop think that KDE is something exclusive to SteamOS and that every other Linux is just a blinking cursor on a command line.)>>729616342You're absolutely clueless. The original Steam Machines concept predates Proton. Steam for Linux couldn't even install Windows games back then. Linux gaming, particularly on Steam, is wildly different than it was back then. And why are you pretending Steam Deck never happened?
>>729615590That's actually a pretty good point. The digitalfoundryfags and their ilk are complaining about muh 8gb vram and the lack of horsepower, but there haven't been any worthwhile AAA games released this generation anyway. So fucking what if it chugs with the latest microtransaction-laden EA-developed goyslopAnd I doubt this will actually happen, but IMO it'd be a good thing for developers to need to be locked to lower specs that would force them to actual optimize their shit. I doubt modern devs will bother, but the principle stands.
>>729617576>You're absolutely clueless.No, they're absolutely right. This has nothing to do with "worried about Windows being crap", this is just them pushing the Steam Machines all over again to keep people into their ecosystem. Steam Deck was actually successful, so it helps with the Valve cultist mentality like the Apple cultist thing mentioned. Very similar communities.
>>729608451>So let me get this straight: jeets are making windows 11 so terrible, that Steam/Gabe felt that if this continues, pc gaming will be negatively impacted so they proactively made their own console to dab on windows jeets?Valve is saving PC gaming from the likes of Microsoft and Sony.>consoles are better for gamingOnly one is and it comes from Nintendo.
>>729618559>Valve is saving PC gamingkekSteam is good, but some drones are outright fucking brainwashed
>>729618310They're not right, because their argument is that Steam Machines made by Valve in the post-Proton era will fail just because Steam Machines built by random third parties who licensed the use of the Steam logo failed before Proton existed. There's no similarity except for the re-use of the Steam Machines label.
>>729608451no. because the hardware is still old moron
>>729618778>>729618778>because their argument is that Steam Machines made by Valve in the post-Proton era will failNowhere did they say that.
>>729618868That is absolutely what retards are implying.
>>729608749Windows survives because of its Enterprise customers. If Google or Apple actually makes serious inroads beyond software devs that's when you'll start to see Microsoft having meltdowns.
>>729618969That is not where their post is implying. If you have a problem with people saying that, maybe reply to those posts instead of projecting your anger at those other posts onto the reply to a different one.Saying they're wrong because you're upset about other anons' posts is just silly.
>>729618629Cope, Sony's, Microsoft's, AAA, and normalfags era of gaming is finally coming to an end.
>>729619150>bunch of stuff nobody was saying for or againstkek
>>729608749word salad nonsense
Here's a fun test for newfags.Try to post valve + drone as a single word on /v/ and see what happens.
I love SFF PCs, so the Steam Machine has me in a mind to buy it, put Fedora KDE on it, and use it as a daily driver, as it sips little power and is apparently whisper quiet.Meanwhile, I take my existing large gaming PC, plonk it next to my TV, install Bazzite and use it for for graphically intense single player games.What the FUCK are these captchas.
>>729608947lol no, it was stopped because it opened sony up to security vulnerabilities by making their OS open source essentially They removed it RIGHT after the big hack that shut them down for months
>>729610993>doing busywork from a televisionFuck that shit
valve dronev a l v e d r o n epcbrovalve+drone
>>729619668Nobody said you had to do it from a TV, speaking of, any good TV's with display port in (preferably not over USB-C even though you can do that), or is all cancer?
>>729608451>So we are full circle going back to consoles are better for gaming, in a way?Always have been.
>>729619082how much do you imagine MS must pay adobe to not allow photoshop on linux? Now that proton is good, really the only pillar left is "muh photoshop" stopping normies from switching.
>>729620578Fun fact, less people use photoshop/adobe shit than use linux.It's like one of those weird staples of google intentionally/unintentionally fucking public perception since a lot of their partners get it for free.
>>729608749white female remote workers use macbooks
windows 11 ltsc is fine.
>>729608749Microsoft is failing that’s why gates has been diversifying his investments over the last 20 years. Xbox is dead, no one buys laptops anymore, and large corporations are still running windows xp. Microsoft is making all their money from college students
>>729621494>no one buys laptops anymorelol wot.
>>729621604tablets have replaced laptops for 95% of the population.
>>729608451if this is well priced i will get one if not ill just upgrade my pc simple as
>>729622217They already said it's not going to be competitively priced, it's just going to be priced like a PC.
>>729622217>8GB VRAMGuarantee you it won't be worth it
>>729622127no tablets don't sell a lot.
>>729620705>white female remote workers use macbooksfuck literally the only time i wished i was female
Snoy normalfags in this thread are really shaking over gaming going to Valve and Nintendo in the future, huh?
>>729623673
>>729624428Fuck off, Snoy, Nintendo and Steam owns all of the games while having exclusives of their own that you can get anywhere else. Only PlayStation and Xbox don't have any games because Sony and Microsoft are stupid and their shitty gaming brands should have both died during the 7th/8th generations of gaming. As it stands, they're both undead zombies that haven't been put down yet.
>>729622341it still going to be cheap retard.The steam machine is basically a gaming laptop that doesn't have a screen, keyboard, touchpad and battery.So you can just look for a laptop with similar specs and take at least 33% off the price and you will have the steam machine price.
>>729624915Dog you all in the retard boat, nobody wants any ports of ports of fucking wii u games.
>>729623673Its cute how deluded steamies are, despite the fact PC marketshare has been declining since 2018 they still believe they are relevant
>>729608451The hype for this thing seems to have died. What went wrong?
>>729608451>/v/ shits on pre-built PCs for years>they get excited when Valve announces one
>>729623673I literally couldn’t give a single shit about nintendo since the Wii. every ip they own got worse on the wiiu and switch
>>729625216Man I wonder what changed, I wonder if like, there's a massive price gouging problem with parts.You also got the meme wrong, you're not supposed to buy a gaming prebuilt because those are a total scam, it's completely fine to buy even an old prebuilt and slap a gpu in it, though that's not even really necessary these days
>>729624915>while having exclusives of their own that you can get anywhere elseBro you can just pirate Nintendo games on PC. If Sony actually cared they could make the games they fund like Stellar Blade just fully PlayStation but they rather port to Steam for more money. IMO that's better for them and the industry, more people can play more games and if a game does get popular on PC it usually gets ported to consoles for console players. Nintendo can keep its games, we can all just pirate them anyways.
>>729616210>shitty anti cheatI can only hope the steam machine becomes popular enough to force devs to deal with this issue. Like 2 games are the only reason I'm stuck on windows
>>729623673>Snoy normalfagsSony hasn't lost a single generation in 30 years.
>>729608451You're presenting one as a foreign entity and the other as the home team like the headquarters of Microsoft and Valve aren't within walking distance of the same light rail line and all those wealthy tech barons don't all know each other. You're playing their game wonderfully.
>>729625865Or you could just not play games that in my experience are pretty universally cheeks.
>>729625140Is this data based on your inability to read charts?
>>729626192oops forgot this
>>729626192Valve is objectively competing with windows and soon Google playHow is it possible to even deny it at this point
>>729626192>Valve actually likes microsoft for being a huge pain in the ass parasitically attached to the users they provide goods and services to.
>>729626941It's hard to assume many at the top really care how their peers' companies inconvenience end users except performatively
>>729625115No one wants a PlayStation or Xbox, no one wants AAA slop, and no one wants normal trash in gaming. Whether Sony and Microsoft likes it or not, exclusives are everything, there is no tearing down walls. There was a reason for gaming hardware segregation. If Sony and Microsoft don't want to take gaming seriously, they make like Atari and Sega and leave it. Better yet, don't just stop making hardware, sell all of your IPs, allow your studios to go independent while closing down the ones you created, and stop making gaming software completely.
>>729627131Dude everyone even if they don't want to has to deal with windows and it's fucking annoying.I troubleshoot shit for my brother all the fucking time.
>>729625140Cope, Snoy, PlayStation is a dying corpse
>>729626678Go read it yourself, feel free to prove me wrong
>>729625793It's not, not having exclusives kills PC gaming and it kills console gaming, everything becomes soulless slop made for faggots that refuse to learn how to play a video game. You play Nintendo exclusives growing up, you play PC exclusives as an adult. That's how it is, games become more complex as you get older. You normalfags are so stupid that you caused both console and PC gaming to dumbed down and neutered for your undeveloped brains. You helped kill arcade gaming, you're complete trash.
>>729627580Read what retard, if you make a retarded claim you back it up so you humiliate yourself harder
>>729625958They lost so much money during the 7th generation they might as well have lost it.
>>729627412>Sega>leave itYou retarded or something? Even Atari hasn't left making video games, they're just poor as fuck now and owned by the French, and Atari didn't go broke because they weren't serious about making games either the crash of 83 and later them being out competed and the horrendous ET game did them in.
>>729627692>You play Nintendo exclusives growing up, you play PC exclusives as an adultI played Nintendo games on my PC as a child using emulators, I play PlayStation/Sony and PC games on my computer as an adult and mobile gacha horse game on my phone. You do realize that Sony funds more games than most people care to acknowledge right? 90% of them aren't PS exclusive either like Stellar Blade and Helldivers 2.
>>729627720https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=game+platform+marketshare+2018https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=game+platform+marketshare+2024
>>729608451DOA if the price isn’t right.
>>729627692>You helped kill arcade gamingWhat killed arcade gaming where complex games that required save files retard-san. Even then, arcades only died in the west since arcades in general are still popular in Japan. The real reason arcades died in the US is simply because the average american can't stand up playing a game long enough to make an arcade profitable.
>>729627943It would take you a fraction of the time to link an actual source you mentally ill sperg Cite your sources or shut the fuck up
>>729628135Well it's more to do with the social cohesion of america breaking down and public leisure spaces like that being the first to take the hit.Same shit happened to theme parks.
>>729628192No fuck off you lazy nigger, im not going to spoon feed you cause you cant 5 second google search with the top results and AI overview already telling you the facts
>>729628254Yeah I know, was trying to make a fat joke but it really do be like that. Thinking about arcades of the past reminds me of picrel. At a certain point shit just started closing down and you didn't know why and then one day you realize everything largely vanished or are ghost towns where barely anyone goes anymore.
>>729627807Sega and Atari are actual video game companies. Sony and Microsoft aren't. Sega and Atari didn't damage the game industry despite Atari kind of being the cause of the crash in the 80s, still have a soft spot for those guys. Sony and Microsoft have been destroying the industry for years. Only reason you even like PlayStation or Xbox is if your stupid ass is a normalfag and everyone know your IQ levels are in the shitter.>>729627926>You do realize that Sony funds more games than most people care to acknowledge right? 90% of them aren't PS exclusive either like Stellar Blade and Helldivers 2A lot of those games could have happened without Sony, the hell do we need Sony for if they're going to keep AAA alive, keep woke alive, and keep dumbing down gaming for retards who don't want to learn. If normalfags refuse to learn then normalfags don't deserve video games. Since they're children in adult bodies, we'll treat them like one and take away their games and hardware leaving them with nothing. Gaming will go back to the 3rd-6th generation even if it has to be forced!
>>729628506Maybe it's naive, but I still have faith that as a nation we could learn to love again and have cool arcades and gaming cafes.
>>729628525>A lot of those games could have happened without SonyBrother Stellar Blade could absolutely not have been made without Sony money. You do realize Sony has been making games since the early 90's right? Even before that they provided the specific sound chips for Nintendo's Famicom system. Sony also funds mostly AA games from Asia like Stellar Blade and Lost Soul Aside as well. >5th generation>6th generationSo the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 then? Just say you want SIE/PlayStation to go back to Japan. 99% of people here agree with you and hope Sony Group Japan actually does drag them back, cuts off California and puts the people in charge of Aniplex also in charge of SIE.
>>729629085>Just say you want SIE/PlayStation to go back to JapanIt's too late for that, those faggots in California gutted their Japanese game studios. If it was still the 2010s before they did this, I would agree with you, but California did too much damage to Sony's gaming sector.>Sony has been making games since the early 90's right?Then maybe it's time for Sony to give up on their western studios, go back to Japan, go completely third party and then get things done again. For Microsoft, drop everything and stop being invested in gaming while going back to their 90s era of funding games here and there, I don't want them to bring back the Xbox or the Xbox division, it's time to end that, more of a cancer than PlayStation.
>>729627746>They lost so much moneydelusional. the PS5 is winning because it's the default platform for literally the entire gaming industry. the PS3 lost money but it won over devs after MS's aggressive money hatting. you argue with the fact that all third party devs returnt to the PS3 by the end of the gen.
>it's the jeets
>>729630158>the PS5 is winningWhat are they winning?>the PS3 lost money but it won over devs after MS's aggressive money hattingThey're both retarded for doing that, fuck both Sony and Microsoft for that, glad Xbox is dead.>you argue with the fact that all third party devs returnt to the PS3 by the end of the genI argue that third parties betrayed gamers to chase normalfag shit, now they're collapsing. I hate Sony of America but god damn do I hate Microsoft Gaming with a passion, everything shit about gaming caused in the 7th generation was caused by them and I better not see any closet Xbot faggot dare try to defend them here. I have a lot of issues with western Sony like many others here, but man, Microsoft oh man.
>>729630369>What are they winning?everything. tell me what else is there.
>>729608451>I can only think in terms of console wars and /pol/shit (which are really the same thing)You are a subhuman.
>>729630429Does anyone play those three games?
>>729630667>choses delusion to copeok
>>729630731K.
>>729629998>It's too late for that, those faggots in California gutted their Japanese game studiosAnon, Sony Group is a multi-billion dollar Jap corp with their anime division Aniplex alone and while SIE had gutted Japan Studio with only Team Asobi left, Aniplex owns game studios themselves, one of which being Lasenge who makes FGO, and publishes VN's and games in Japan. Pretty sure they can just pick themselves back up.>For Microsoft, drop everything and stop being invested in gamingI agree but for different reasons, while Sony got into gaming because Ken Kutaragi, who founded the gaming division of Sony genuinely liked games and wanted to make games, Microsoft solely got into gaming because they felt threatened by Sony's growing PC division of which SIE, before it was SIE, was part of. Also because while Sony is still ran by Japs and their important divisions, aside from SIE, are in Japan and the bosses are Japanese as well as the major stockholders are Japanese like Mitsubishi (via the Master Trust Bank of Japan owning 20% of Sony shares) while BlackRock and Vanguard combined own less than 0.5% of Sony shares....well Microsoft is ran by jeets now and their stock is as you expect.
