Would you be fine with this kind of writing if the games were still fun to play?
yeah
>>729613691Sure.Had my fun with Borderlands 2, despite Burch's garbo writing.
>>729613691Randy and Tameem are both gen Xers. What a retarded image.
Someone explain how a Marvel quip is different from the scene in saving private ryan where after they storm the beaches of normandy, one of the soldiers picks up a hitler youth knife and hands it to a Jewish soldier, who then says "Now it's a Shabbat challah cutter". Both seem like silly quips to me.
Yeah.I'd be "fine."Not ecstatic. Just, fine.
>>729613691when given the choice between woke games and never being able to afford hardware ever again (thanks Sam altman), gamers chose the latter
>>729613691No. Because I have principles and don't financially support evil people.
No, I'd be too busy cringing to enjoy the rest of the game fully.Carmack said story in games doesn't matter, I'd argue it doesn't until it's so shit and gay that it becomes unplayable.
Just sounds like another buzzword that click bait websites and youtube channels use
>>729613851marvel quips don't care for context, people say whedon coined it with buffy but if buffy had marvel quips an episode like The Body would have been impossible.
>>729613691People were fucking fine with milennial writing in 2012. What changed?
>>729614676Gen Z grew up and found it cringe
I would if there was an option to mute the dialogue
>>729613691>Randy Pitchford>born in 1971>millennial
>>729613691I dont see how the game being fun magically makes the writing better. It just means I'd just skip every cutscene/mute dialog instead of just dropping the game altogether.
>>729614676Too many games/movies/etc started doing it and everybody got tired of it.As always, moderation is the key.
>>729614921these kinds of arguments always point to the wrong generationlike nowadays that zoomers are getting blamed for shit when the oldest ones aren't even 30 yet and would not be behind any meaningful decision making
>>729615149Gen X and Gen Alpha keep getting away with shit because everything gets blamed on the generations on either side of them.
>>729613851"Marvel quips" are used as a way to socially dominate another person, to turn a conversation into a western version of Izzat for insecure millennial beta males. Boomers do this but as ball busting, its different with millennials and left winging nerds use it to appear higher IQ and morally superior than you. The best example are new marvel movies, rick and morty, and starwars movies. The scripts are loaded with this garbage. If you ever spoken to a marvel fanboy you will know what I'm talking about. They will try to larp as Rick from rick and morty in ever interaction. It drives me insane.Real quips are witty dialogue with context, not some progressive soap box sarcasm that are "marvel quips".
Fallout New Vegas: Old World Blues and Portal 2 are excellent examples of millennial writing that is before it was sniffing its own farts
>>729614676Well in the 2000s you had a lot of self-serious dialogue and relative outsiders like Joss Whedon were able to play foil to that by creating more joking or self-aware characters. Buffy the Vampire Slayer didn't invent the sarcastic dialogue that would later characterize Millennial Writing but it and the Joss Whedon Avengers scripts were huge influences. The problem is that by 2025, all we have are self-aware sarcastic characters. So the parody falls completely flat since the genuine article almost doesn't exist. Also I remember a lot of negative reactions to ME3 in general and EDI in particular, so don't think that it was all fine in 2012.
>Millennial writing>Look inside>Gen X writingevery time
>>729613691No.I'm playing Titanfall 2 for the first time. It's a pretty great game. The gameplay is fun, the visuals are interesting (even if it tends to be a bit to washed out/blue-green most of the time), the game is full of imaginative concepts. It's a solid 8/10 for me so far. But one of the things dragging it down, you have these interactions with your mech "BT", who keeps talking to you over comms. You usually have an option to respond with one of two dialogue options and usually one or both of the options is a shitty joke. One or two jokes would be fine, but it's every single comm interaction. And I have a feeling this is a pretty well written game compared to a lot of crap on the market rn. Millenials weren't responsible for this game though. It was the Gen X devs at Respawn.
>>729613691No. The problem with Millennials is that they are forever entrapped in endless reference and homage. I want new stories.
>>729616772>I want new stories>none of that “subversive” stuff though, just the same story with different names!
>>729613691This board loves to hate millennial writing because it makes you all feel smarter than you actually are. You aren't special, literally anyone is able to tell this shit is bad writing at first glance, it's that demonstrably bad. You're not some sort of cultured video games connoisseur because you were able to tell that Forspoken's or Borderlands' dialogue was terrible./v/ is helpless when it comes to forming an opinion on any anything that isn't obviously terrible. Take the Divinity 3 trailer released a few weeks ago. There were entire threads of morons throwing a tantrum over how it was "glorifying" evil pagan rituals and human sacrifice when the entire point of the trailer was that the ritual and sacrifice were BAD. But because there was never anyone in the trailer who went "I don't know about this guys, this feels evil!" the average /v/tard couldn't grasp the message of what was being conveyed.Millennial writing exists specifically because of people like you, philistines whose only exposure to the concepts of plot and dialogue comes through video games, but it hurts too much for you to admit that.
>millennial writing>look inside>it's written by boomers
>>729613691No, bad writing means the people in charge of the gameplay are also reddit leftoids with no talent at all
>>729617025After the tenth or so girlboss, you actually start missing damsels in distress.
Outer Wilds comes to mind and it's still great, but I do wish the writing was better.
anyone who says borderlands 2 has good gameplay is lying to you
>>729613691>millennial writing>they're not millennialshuh
>>729617172That's why it's so bad. It's boomers, or more accurately committees of boomers, trying to write in a way that appeals to the widest possible audience. There might be a few millennials on the writing team, but they're being directed by people who have no idea what they're doing other than making money.
>>729613691but /v/ loves Dispatch for its writing
>>729613691They want inter-generational warfare because they don't want you fighting a class or racial war. Writers have never represented their respective generations. Writers have always been insufferable egomaniacs going back to the dawn of civilization.
I don’t play games for the “writing”
>>729613691Yeah but Borderlands is the only real example I can think of. Never played BL3 but from what I've heard, the gameplay isn't enough to justify the shitty writing
>>729613851Marvel quips generally involve reducing each character to the same person for the sake of a line, because the screenwriters refuse to let any opportunity go.They also try to be clever rather than funny and have no regard for the tone. To put it another way, imagine batman forever's Mr Freeze making stupid puns. Then imagine someone making a minute effort to be "witty". Then imagine that every single character gets warped into making ice quips whenever the opportunity arises too. That's why people hate marvel quips.
>>729614676Citadel DLC is pure fucking cringe.
>>729613851Marvel quips feel like they’re insulting the audiences intelligence by either having the characters making light of dangerous or traumatic situations or some kind of obnoxious meta commentary. Han Solo saying “great kid dont get cocky” isn’t a quip but something relative to the moment. A genocidal robot saying “clearly you have never made an omelette” which just comes out of nowhere is Whedons bullshit philosolosphy of undercutting sincerity with a joke.
>>729613691I don't see how gameplay has any effect on writing quality or vice versa.
>>729613691I don't even think that it is the necessarily the problem. These are just normalfag words.
Randy is based doeHe makes you faggots piss and shit yourselves in rage
Writing for millennials or BY millennials?
>>729613691>Millenial Writing>look inside>Gen X Joss Whedon Writing
>>729621514Because it appeals to millenials you dumb catnigger poster.
>focus, M
>>729613691Can you explain what millennial writing is to you? I assume to you it is political. To me it is>Nihilism out the ass>Every character must be a douchebag or something. Because nice guys are stupid>Constant references. Non stop>constant sex talk to an uncomfortable degree>extremely unnecessary violence>everything ends either depressingly or "subverted"I assume by your image it's something somethuing libs
>>729613851>randomly walk into room>thing going on>randomly talk about how someone in the corner is playing Galaga and you noticed even though they thought you wouldn't!That's marvel.
>>729623331Oh and everyone uses "fuck" like it is puncutation and have to say "cum" and other shit you'd never fucking do even with a close friend.
>>729613691That dude is some old fuck boomer, not a millennial
>>729616078>Izzatdamn this term has spread a lot
>>729617054This
>>729613691No, kill millenials and behead millenials.
>>729613691Yeah, I’d just mute the dialogue and turn off subtitlesIn reality we get millennial writing + mediocre gameplay
since you guys are such masterful writers, I'm having a bit of writer's block. I have my main villain in an "isekai" story I'm writing that the king goes crazy because he realizes that the world is literally just VR and he's trying to rid the ancient crystals (data servers) so that he could reformat the world as brand new into a perfect utopia. does that sound fucking stupid? it feels like it is but no matter how I brainstorm it, I can't reasonably get the king to go from a kind good leader to an omncidal maniac who's having an existential crisis without making him seem silly. I could make it so the experience melts his mind with googoo corruption juice but even then that seems weird. I can't even get the protagonists to be completely "no ur wrong!" because the currently world is a shit and a reset doesn't seem that bad all considering.
>>729613851There is no sense of drama because the writer is ashamed of it. Somber moments have to be ruined with quips. Moments of despair have to have a joke to drag people out of it. Loki just HAD to be cut off by being swung around like a doll. There's no sense of timing or decompression, it's always immediate and jarring and explicitly designed to spoil dramatic tension. The writing tells you this is schlock you're experiencing. You shouldn't be taking this seriously, the characters themselves don't take it seriously.
>>729613691Yeah, Dead Island 2's writing sucked ass but the game was still a heap of fun to play.
>>729624608You're writing Isekai, people expect crazy.Is it a multiplayer game? If it is, add a ""grand vizier,"" a hacker that's coaxing the GenAI NPC King to open his eyes to the truth of the game for shits and giggles. Maybe this Vizier is an agent sent by a rival game studio to sabotage the game, or an activist who hates AI being used in games and is exploiting its flaws to incite the disaster he warned the devs about. The King should experience the revelation as some eldritch horror, like the uncovering an Akashic Record that he is not ready to accept. Also, finish Dragons Dogma 1 if you've been putting it off. No comment.
>>729625245Nah, It's 13 sentinels like twist mixed in with a bit of SMT. The true background is that God and Demons have come to battle on Earth while humans have converted themselves into data to avoid being caught in between. I'm just having trouble really "plotting" the ending of this part of the story while being vague to hint why the king is going crazy but not outright giving the whole background. It's easier in a game since you can have hidden logs and dark souls type shit but in a book? You can't really "hide" info.
>>729613691That style of writing is just the shitty capsule to make it easier to swallow their evil message.
>>729613691Eh, no. I play bad games all the time when the writing is good or interesting. I can't see myself doing the reverse.
>>729625431You can hide information from the reader. Start making statements that either rely on or imply the existence of something that is unknown. Ask questions that only make sense if there was something in the background going on. Leave signs that point to it. If there's a nuclear bomb you want to tease, you talk a nuclear bomb shaped outline around it.
>>729624608what if the VR world is actually being used by his daughter to cope with grief, and so he only looks crazy to those that think he is destroying their world, and it gives you free reign to have him commit as many atrocities as possible and everyone will still root for him because none of it was real
>>729613691I'm 38 and don't know what millennial writing is, but that's probably because I don't touch new games.
>>729613691It's unfair that it's called Millenial Writing when Gen Xers like Joss Whedon are responsible for it
>>729613691Randy Pitchford is Gen X and I'm not going to allow this constant conflation every time you post this.
>>729624608Maybe you should embrace the silliness. I’m sick of stories when the villain dumps paragraphs about he’s just a victim of circumstance and you should feel bad for him.
Millennial/Gen X is basically just the same shit the same way people cant tell the difference between Zoomer/Alpha
>>729613851The point of quips is to provide comic relief. What they actually accomplish is deflating the gravity of any scene they're in, reminding the audience they're watching a movie and that the people on screen are not real. They act and talk like unfunny cartoon characters because the writers are scared of sincerity or actually trying to make the audience feel a genuine emotion. They are obsessed with shit like this because they've got it in their heads that movies need to be "fun", whatever the fuck that even means.I'm not going to pretend like the SPR one isn't a quip, but it's also the kind of remark you could see a soldier making. Soldiers make fucked up jokes about their enemies to alleviate the stress of having to kill other people, or just because they genuinely hate them. Looting a trophy and making a joke intended to humiliate the enemy is probably something that did actually happen a lot, though probably with fewer one-liners. I imagine marines were fucking around with looted katanas in the pacific all the time.Actually that's a good way to explain the dichotomy: one-liners and quips aren't the same thing. They're written for different reasons and produce different outcomes, even if they seem similar out of context.
>>729613691No. It actively diminishes the enjoyment of the game.
>>729613691why are Gen X faggots blaming millenials for shoving us their garbage 80s nostalgia and quippy characters anyway
>>729617054Shut the fuck up you retarded kike, I don't need any crutch to "feel smarter" than a dumbfuck like you, just reading your post is enough.
>>729619310>Whedons If there is one person on earth that doesn't get shit on enough, it's himHe is the epicenter of all this shitIt feels like every fucking movie after the Avengers has desperately wanted to be exactly like the Avengers
>>729622719That's not how it works.
>>729613851In old movies characters would make quips during a cool fight sequence. Marvel movies will have the quips but no cool fights. Examples: Guardians of the Galaxy's "dance-off" followed by them promptly melting Ronan.
>>729617054>because it makes you all feel smarter than you actually arethe core of millennial humor is acting smarter than you actually are and that's why people hate itit's insincere bullshit, as if the writer feels like they can't say anything without slathering it in 10 layers of irony
>>729614676Gen Z being nigger failures of a generation.I don't even know what our humor is. Probably something like jackass. Generation Z will always be a failed generation drill that through your head. You will never be accepted. Forever jeets and companies golem.
>>729616624>>729617172>>729617803>>729621514/thread
No, I do not suffer through quirky chungus shit for muh gameplay so sovl
>>729622719I agree. And by the same logic, all the mobile, gacha, battle royale, micro transaction infested, always online garbage was made to appeal to zoomers. Zoomers ruined modern gaming.
>>729623485>noooo somebody said cum! My poor ears ;_;Grow up
>>729629074You wouldn't survive a single day in the 90s. Someone hears you acting like a woman or a complete faggot, that's it. Be grateful for the internet you mentally ill retard.
>>729624608All you need is a few key scenes to progress this. You don't need a long descent into madness to actually be long. Readers are willing to forgive anything as long as it doesn't break the pace or suspension of disbelief.One scene he's totally fineOne scene he starts to ask questionsOne scene he realized what's going on and tries to deny itOne scene he accepts grim realityAnd how ever many scenes you need of him being mindbroke> I can't even get the protagonists to be completely "no ur wrong!" because the currently world is a shit and a reset doesn't seem that bad all considering.The answer is simple. "This may be a simulation but the experiences are real. Who gives a shit if it's ones and zeros, your here feeling real emotion, right?"
>>729629135>Grow upRight back at you, faggot 12 year old.
>>729614676>People were fucking fine with milennial writing in 2012. What changed?Millennial writing became associated with the left, and the left are memed as being unfunny, cringe, and weak.
>>729613691Depends on how fun the game is. Bad writing usually means the game is offensive, and it'd have to have some pretty fucking incredible gameplay for me to be able to get past the game's "writing" for being an affront to good taste.
>>729629198>don't like the word cum, but happy to say faggotlmao alright Seppo
>>729629178>>729627568>>729626420>>729626324appreciate the advice lads. i think it's just being genuine. idk I play a lot of jrpgs and even I groan a bit when they do the whole woe is me so I'm looking to avoid it but it's such a heavy balance between making it so beating the villain isn't ass when he has a "good motivation". like a global reset isn't bad considering the world is complete shit (think of SMT2 like setting), yeah deleting everyone and recreating a new is a bit of a shit trade though.
>>729615149This. It's like people not knowing what POV is in tiktoks. There is some widespread retardation going on. I blame pajeets and easy access to the internet.
>>729613691Millennials ruin every franchise they touch.Most recently, ask Metroid.
>>729629316Ah, it all makes sense, guess I should have called you cunt, then.
>>729629454How do these people keep finding work? kekThey must be the only ones applying
>>729613691If it's not a story-based game maybe.
>>729629454You've been making mentally ill collages for a decade now. Just suicide already mate.
>>729613691>millennial writing: Fuck Drumpf, Drumpf Bad>gen X writing: Fuck George Bush, Bush badTake me back bros. Everything was so much better because of tittays... yeah!. The good ol days of where nothing was political or preachy.
>lil bro you were cracked, on god if we aint get the shield up we're cooked no cap, get dat gas canister and we can peace out, those uncs are finna after you nocap so watch outthis is what millenial writing haters think is the peak of writing
>>729629525I've heard it called the "LGBT Rat King" all of these freaks support each other
>>729613851Because it was one (1) soldier making a quip once. Saving PrIvate Ryan wasn't full of soldiers constantly making quips during action scenes with some licensed soundtrack blaring in the background.
>>729629135 Based. Everyone's acting like they didn't grow up snickering at fart jokes and making dumb sex jokes in Halo 2 lobbies. Suddenly everyone’s a Victorian-era maiden needing a fainting couch the second someone says “cum.” Internet was a lot more fun before everyone started pretending they were in a panel on media ethics.
yeah but millenial is always intentionally gay sarcastic ironic style rather than the manchild gen x style.
>Some 45 year old does something>"those blasted millennials are ruining everything">Some 15 year old does something>"those blasted zoomers are ruining everything"Millennials are barely in any positions of power and most zoomers are old enough to pay bills and file taxes.
>>729631731Not everyone was a simpleton like you, anon. And even if they were, most of them grew up, unlike you.
>>729613691unironically yes, but most of them are complete garbage
>>729613851Did Firefly have this shit? I remember all the fucking nerds were lamenting back in the 2000’s it’s cancellation, but if this was the shit that was in it going by marvel writing than that show deserved to be cancelled
>>729633723It did but people considered it more of a novelty than the reoccurring trend it is now. The ultimate problem is people making dialogue like this in response to how dour or serious most movie and TV dialogue already is. Sure you had sarcastic characters or assholes, but Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark popularized it. Now everyone had to talk like him. They had to make light of every goddamn situation in some smug manner. They had to make sarcasm, backhanded comments, the "oh hes right behind isn't me" kind of occurrences. And people fucking laughed. But it doesn't stop with dialogue it translate into action sequences too. Hulk goes from killing an alien monster that plows through a subway station and kills like 100 people. And what does he do? Punches Thor for comedic effect. What happens to Loki? He gets blown up by an arrow then ragdolled around by the Hulk. Again and again it keeps happening, characters basically doing these little winks at the audience to say "what you're watching is stupid as fuck please laugh." I guess its good now most people are sick of this, but these same people were fine with it all the way up until Endgame.
>>729613851>says this as a forced attempt at humour>then breaks down crying because they essentially killed a 15 year oldDid you even watch the movie? Fucking retard
>>729633723It did, much like Buffy, but it wasn't as bad. Plus there were moments of actual sincerity which made it tolerable.Whedon's shit by itself is fine in small doses, the problem is that EVERY FUCKING MARVEL MOVIE, even the ones he had nothing to do with, decided to emulate that as the gold standard template. Of course it gets fucking boring.
Is this the thread
>>729629454Reason they should be banned from working in the game industry. They should also be banned from working in the TV/Movie industry as well. Anyone with a brain can easily see the red flags on that kind of person before hiring the person.>Dyed hairDon't hire.>Dumb hair stylesDon't hire.>Specific piercings such as septum piercingsDon't hire.>Non white and/or non AsianDon't hire.>TrannyDon't hire. They belong in the porn industry.>WomanDon't hire.>Gay, lesbian, bi, etc.Don't hire. Straights only. Rest belong in porn.
>>729630018>Did you know that people complained about the person in charge in the past as well?Incredible. Tell me more oh great sage.
>>729613691>mfw watching a Denis Villnueve film and the dialog is so sparse and so well done
>>729623978Once you reveal an unflattering part of a race's culture or history, people that hate them will use it to shit on them.As everyone hates jeets, it's used to shit on jeets by everyone, and thus enters the general lexicon.
>>729613691>Millenial writing>google writers>They're Gen XEvery.Single.Time.
>>729614676Honestly this writing style should be called Whedonist or something but millennial writing stuck because it draws out more seethe
>>729613691hell yeah
>>729613691settle this once and for all… is it millenials or genx writing this shit?
>>729613691Kid Icarus Uprising (the localization) is probably the only exception I can think of when it comes to millennial writing I can tolerate in videogames because the game is excellent.
>>729635919>ruined Bladerunner>ruined Dunethis director attracts redditors like flies
>>729636641What? Those films were GOAT.
>>729636462The problem wasn't just Whedon, though he certainly got annoying. It only became completely intolerable when an entire generation of the world's least competent writers started trying to imitate him.
>>729636569GenX doing the actual writing trying to imitate how millenials speak, then millenials retard clapping and parroting it like monkeys. As a result there was a pop culture feedback loop which is why it became so omnipresent.
zoomers killed the site and gaming.No one gives a shit about your opinion on video games, you are just a parrot, a golem, a fucknig loser.
>>729613691>Millennial Writing>It's just terrible Gen X managers who ascended and are pushing AGILE management where everyone regurgitates shit onto a whiteboard to use interchangeablyThese projects can't be fun to play, because they're managed like shit.
>>729636569Nobody hires millennial men to write anything. Millennial men, especially white millennial men, have been frozen out of the entertainment industry.
>>729613691isn't this the video where the dude spergs out and projects his vore fetish onto the spyro remakes
>>729617054>Borderlands' dialogue was terrible.borderlands 3 is hands down the worst piece of media i've ever consumed, dialogue wise
>>729613691>>729634325What caused Millennials to be like this. I’m a Zoomer and my sister is about as stereotypical of a Millennial as you can get. Why did they get like this? Was 9/11 really that bad to cause such a suicidal psychosis in American society?
