i think that changing a bit of the story is a good thing, even tho i didnt play the original i think there's nothing wrong with rebirth and remake
The story hasn't changed, they just built stuff on top of it
Nomura’s Law: The longer Nomura works on a project, the worse it becomes, as coherent storytelling is gradually replaced by fanfiction-tier writing, unnecessary twists, and self-indulgent complexity.See XV, KH, and compilation slop for proof.
Nomura should get off his lazy ass and finish KH4
>>729614296shhh,kid... Let nomura work... or else....
>>729614051The story hasn’t changed, it’s just tricking you into thinking it will
>>729613846im playing through remake right now and im actually enjoying the game a lot its not the original but it has enough of the original feel to remind me of it now and then, i think i like them both for different reasons, they did a pretty good job with the combat i think, the encounters are hard and engaging.
>>729614398all the square enix guys are saying next year is "VII"so you'll likely get half a year of trying to hype rebirth for switch and then part 3 marketingnot looking great for kh4
Loved the game, but fuck Gongaga and Cait's segment.
I dont know how they are going to do the full open world right in part 3.
>>729613846>even tho i didnt play the originalYour opinion is meaningless then.
>changing the storydidnt play the game
Is it wrong if i want Zack and Aerith to live at the end? They have been dead for almost 30 years now, what's wrong with happy ending?
>>729614051>>729614530It's the same story but with some inconsequential changes and meta twists to re-examine it from alternative anglesThey're just being weird and vague about it because that gives people a chance to overthink it and keep conversation aliveThey're at least smart enough to know that a franchise is truly dead not when it has a lull in sales, but when no one's talking about it
>>729615151you don't think they're happy in the afterlife?
>>729613846Nomura ruins everything he touches.
>>729615151>>729615360he didnt watch advent children
>>729615423I did, Zack and Aerith are still in lifestream at the end. Wish i could find the original version somewhere though, it's All just extended everywhere.
>>729615015Trust hamaguchi who already said they have a playable build that acording to him, will feature the highwind exactly as you expect
>>729615151Both need to die already and dissimilate into the lifestream
>>729615015My prediction is>Re-use open zones from Rebirth>Add new ones based on remaining areas from VII's map>Airship is used primarily to fly over oceans but can fly over anywhere else if you feel like it>Party can "jump out" at any time with an optional parachuting animation to land wherever, which will also be used during the return to Midgar>Sub will be confined to a single open zone in Meridian Ocean, similar to the Tiny Bronco's boat mode in Rebrith
>>729614296Tabata is the only reason XV was released and Barry was right.
Do you think they will add new shit in locations from Rebirth in Part 3? Or will they have excuses to block up certain locations? Like say the Mythril Mines just as an example. Will they really go back and add new stuff to random locations like that from Rebirth?
>>729616147Doubt it, would just bloat the file size and anyone who cares can just use the Chapter Select in Rebirth.
>>729613846Changing what exactly? They tried some stuff in Remake before bitching out in Rebirth after the fan outrage. It's essentially the same as the original now.
>>729616321Well will they come up with excuses to block the player off from returning to places like that so?
Is Aerith ded?
>>729613846>even tho i didnt play the originalThis is no different than people who say they watched Eva but only saw the rebuilds.
>>729616382They didnt bitch out tho
>>729616147>>729616321>>729616398Would it be impossible to have access to everything, even Midgar for the final installment? The latest Hitman allows you to play every map from the previous game (assuming you own them). Obviously it requires more space, but having each game saved on the machine is kinda w/e. Struggle for console consolefags I suppose.
>>729616398Probably a basic excuse per area,>>729616690World of difference between a massive open world RPG and Hitman.
>>729616690the size of the game isnt that big of an issue. rebirth was like 100gb so if part 3 was 200gb that wouldnt be that outlandish
>>729616690Why are you asking as if /v/ can answer?
I hope there is still mini games in part 3 and they didnt cut all of them after people complained about the mini games in rebirth
>>729615151This is the problem with endlessly trying to milk a single story or franchise. You get retards like you who are like "I don't want a good story, I want more time with the characters forever and ever even if it's liquid diarrhea." I'm just waiting for the day that Atlus catches onto this idea and makes a Persona 3-2 where they go and save door-kun so they can have le wacky adventures forever even if it completely ruins the original game.
>>729616983I think they said they are reworking it
>>729616690Technically probably possible but can question what the point is to an extent. Are people really going to be motivated to walk through the sector 5 slums or wall market. It'd probably need new content too.
>>729613846>know what this story needs?>a bunch of time ghosts yea!!!
>>729613846>I watched that shitty remake of RoboCop and there's nothing wrong about it.>Actually never watched any of the original film.why haven't you killed yourself yet?
>>729615015simple, they wont do it at all. in fact it will take place in midgar again
>>729616983There will be, Rebirth ends shortly before the snow boarding mini game and the Gold Saucer's arcade area had a snow boarding game under construction. Devs are copy pasting that shit over and adding to it and not even pretending they aren't.
>two games for the first disc>$120 for a third of the gamethey are going to be making the rest of the game for the next 20 years
>>729616147I suspect they'll reuse all the zones, but after meteor is casted, all those old zones will have reality distortions, with slight changes to them, adds in newer fiends etc.The war with wutai might even damage areas, like around junon, changing it. The return to midgar will be larger and feature more of the undercity.Maybe they'll give zack more to do other than the few corridors he was given, allowing more areas.Could very easily add a few more islands with stuff to do.Northern continent can be expanded to be more than just snow, even in original icy plains felt different from the touristy snow area, just hope the area doesn't overstay its welcome.
>>729614925We've been in this "VII year" for half a decade already.
>>729614296Compilation is Nojima rather than Nomura. Nojima is the writer of FFVII and most of Compilation. KH1~BBS as well. The more he adds the more JK Rowling style bullshit he creates.
>>729617094They'd definitely need to add content. They can also just leave Midgar off limits. It was in the original. I don't remember the reason (beyond the obvious disc limitations of PS1).
>>729613846there's nothing wrong because it's a sequel, which means that what happened in the original is still canon
>>729615619>>Airship is used primarily to fly over oceans but can fly over anywhere else if you feel like itFrom a developer's point of view, this seems like a major headache to do
k but i'm never going to buy this because they nerfed tifa's tits
>>729617692They have most of the areas already in. They could bang out disk 2 in a game the size of Rebirth, and they only really need a massive final dungeon to adapt disk 3.
>>729613846>i think there's nothing wrong with rebirth and remake
>>729620080she's at least a k-cup in remake/rebirth
>>729620080Tbh, they're still pretty busty. Anything more and it'd be cartoonish. They might have added to the size in Rebirth.
>>729620025Devs outright said the airship would be a huge pain in the ass so that's why they've saving it for last.>>729620080Tifa's tits are huge and accurate to the OG art, the sports bra is the nerf.
>>729620178>cataurs are le bad!
What's your Rebirth party, bros?I've been doing Cloud, Yuffie, and Aerith. I just got Cait Sith. I might drop Aerith for Cait.
>>729614051This is useful because it means criticism of the story changing OR being the same are BOTH invalid.
>>729620178what's the problem?
>>729614051>>729614530its a sequel, not a one for one remake. The actual sephiroth we see is post-advent children Sephiroth.He is literally trying to break the cycle because the jenova cells are preventing him from dissolving into the lifestream.
Why is Rebirth so much more boring than Remake despite the combat being more polished. Thinking of refunding.
>>729619678It's only a sequel because it's a redo of OG. It's a timeline reset after they failed to stop meteor in OG. Chronologically Remake still takes place before AC.
>>729620448i fucking hate everything about cait. Cloud,yuffie and tifa/barrett/red as my 3rd flex slot. I hate aeriths gameplay because of the way fights work it makes casters just feel shit.
>>729620660I recently finished a 2nd playthru and skipped all the side content this time it was a lot more enjoyable desu.I think the devs said they realise rebirth had too many side shit and minigames and have changed the gameplay loop for p3.
>>729620448Cloud, Yuffie, Tifa obviously. Game doesn't let me ditch Cloud for Aerith.
>>729620448i switch party members all the time. I wish there were more party slots, there are way too many party members. I mostly use Cloud, Tifa and Red, or Cloud, Cait and Barret. For flying enemies i use Barret and Aerith. I use Yuffie occasionally on the vr challenges.
>>729613846I can't wait for Deepground in Part 3. We all know is happening. The teased on Remakes, they showed Weiss being digitally replicated in the Yuffie Dlc and you even fight one of its members, Nero, and they actually made him pretty cool compared to how lame try hard edgy everyone are in Dirge of Cerberus.Another one that is returning is Genesis. In Crisis Core they shoehorned him in the Nibelheim flashback, and Remake is part of the compilation. So when they show us the full version of when Sephiroth went crazy we are gonna see Genesis being there too. LMAOGackt already teased that he was recording for a legendary game and he hasn't done anything else in like 15 years, so it's pretty obvious he meant FF7R.
>>729620813I don't think there's so many minigames even in Wario games.But sidequests are good, i love them.
>>729613846>even tho i didnt play the originalthen shut the fuck up
>>729614530>i think there is nothing wrong
>>729620903There was a time when I'd call you a doomer, but now it feels like deepground is possible and I have to tell myself I'm actually okay with Genesis playing a role after all. But my out is saying "it's fine as long as Genesis doesn't become the main character" so I get to stay reasonable and not look like a fanboy who will accept anything.
>>729620903I unironically want them to make Sephiroth post Advent Children. Sephiroth and Aerith manipulating lifestream for space-time travelling is just too funny.
>>729620864Tifa, Aerith and Yuffie are by far the strongest trio, that became clear when that Gongaga event happened
>>729614296This is the second half of Nomura's law. >>729618518Wherein Nomura receives any criticism for the sorry state of the games he is involved with, deflect and blame someone else because Nomura can do no wrong.
>>729614573It's basically a FF7 theme park. Its a fun vidya but I'm always gonna be disappointed they didn't do a straight up remake with a few extras tacked on instead of subverting shit and splitting it into 3 parts. If they were so hell bent on doing this story they could have done it as some faggy FF7 Remix edition after the proper remake.
>>729620448Cait sith is a pain to learn at first because hes unique in everything
can anyone else hardly believe this game is already 2 years old?
>>729621118Nomura is very powerful, the reason for SE's success, and director of many projects. But he's also powerless to stop others who keep putting bad content in his games against his wishes.
The only thing that excites me is the anticipation of whatever random fuck turn based RPG that will cuck them for GOTY for a third time.I'll get to watch people still try to insist they HAD to change it, or people wouldn't have liked it!For the third time.
>>729620660Feels a lot more padded what with all the mandatory mini games.
>>729620152I'm so excited for Part 3 it's unreal, because the amount of remaining locations and setpieces is mindboggling for them to fit it all.Would be neat if Sapphire Weapon was a fight too. And they'll probably add in some kind of optional fight like they did Gilgamesh.
>>729621325>whatever random fuck turn based RPG that will cuck them for GOTY for a third timea first and second time never happened
>>729620903Can't wait.https://youtu.be/CRi76Haa7jU?t=37Otherwise what was the point of that last scene in Dirge.
>>729614296I wish our King, nay, our GOD Nomura worked on every SE project. Only then could this company be saved from its eternal slump.
>>729621325I would seriously rather have rebirth style combat from now on. The only reason I ever liked turn based was because for the longest time it was the only way that seemed to work for player controlled group combat but Rebirth proved it's no longer necessary. We can have our flashy limit breaks and summons and still make it almost totally action based.
>>729613846Main thing I’m interested is how they’ll handle Knights of the Round as, including them, the only summons that will be new in Part 3 will be them, Typhoon, Hades, and Bahamut ZERO.
>>729613846No matter how many times the shills try to spin this travesty of a remake, it's not what people wanted. Like, at all.
>>729621347as far as i remember the only mandatory games are the ones at costa del sol and the gold saucer
>>729621520Even Yakuza got group combat working alright with TMWEHN and Pirates.>>729621564Not like they can't just pull them from other FF's and make those DLC.
I played for Yuffie. It's the best FF game ever for that reason.https://youtu.be/SLGvf8sAKUsThe amount of content she got was massive and i appreciate putting her every cutscene once She joins.
>>729615589This, and same goes for Sephiroth, Lucretia, Hojo and whoever else keeps endlessly fucking about. Also willing to bet 7 dollarydoos that Cloud dies at the end of Part 3 but not before knocking-up Tifa during their time under the Highwind
>>729621568We wanted to see the characters again and spend more time with them and that's what we got
>>729621564You forgot Ramuh
Do you think they'll be generous enough to let us get our hands on the master materia the OG FF7 had?
>>729621624True, and I know they’ve done gimmick ones like the Elixir Pot Goblin from the original as a pre-order bonus summon (cannot remember his actual name), Cactuar in Remake, etc. But my main theory with Knights is you’ll get it almost right away at the start (courtesy of Chadley) but it will initially only be one Knight and you have to fight the others in his BS combat sim to upgrade it to get the others to join in until you can properly get Ultimate End.
>>729621782Ramuh was in Remake’s Yuffie DLC and, if you did Rebirth with Remake and DLC completed too, you get Leviathan and Ramuh as bonus Summon Materia. Like all Remake summon Materia in Rebirth they both suck
>>729620448Cloud, Barret, Aerith was the one I used 90% of the time. I pretty much never used Tifa or Cait Sith but I used Red 13 and Yuffie sometimes.
>>729621171Thats excellent. I didn't play Remake until a month or so before Rebirth released and I'm still on my first playthrough of Rebirth. Thats what happens when japs don't release to PC day one. I forget it exists until years later and get it on discount.
>>729621849I think a Master Magic (Green) and Master Summon Materia could be reasonably expected but I wouldn’t be surprised if they nix them this time around given the changes that have been done at the gameplay level. There will definitely be one ultimate Offense Materia that will have Fire, Ice, Lightning and Wind is a given as Rebirth had a Dual Magic Materia each for Fire and Ice, and Lightning and Wind. Ultima Materia, at least one Quadra Materia, and the aforementioned Dual Magic Materia are definite givens though.
Do you think Aerith will at least be playable in post game VR map stuff in part 3? Because if not then its extremely shit how in this entire remake series we will have never had a party with Aerith, Cid and Vincent at the same time.
>>729622428I think Aerith will be playable from the second half of the game. Either original or some from different reality
I'm curious if they will start you off will all the summon materia from Rebirth in Part 3. I know Rebirth started you off with most of them from Remake if you imported your save from Remake and Yuffie dlc I think it was only like 2 of them that didnt come over?
Is Cloud x Tifa the canon ship?
>>729621358I do want more weapons. I also dunno how Ruby and Emerald are going to play out without KotR spam.
Anyone else found it hilarious when Zack was sitting at the stairs near the end and Sephiroth just happened to walk past him like some npc?
Calling it now. Jack Garland will be in a side quest as a character from another world like how Gilgamesh was in Rebirth. You will see him as Jack for most of the side quest chain and then at the end you will fight him in his Garland armor.
>>729622605There was a time when it wasn't?
>>729620903Regardless of what happens in part 3 it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All you want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and you'd like it, because you get more time with the characters. At some point fans like you became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is DC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
>>729622675I doubt it, even though i want it.
>>729622805
Why are people pretending airships or flying in 3-D modern games are rocket science. There's plenty of AAA games with that in the last 15 years.
>>729613846>even tho i didnt play the original i thinkopinion discarded
>>729622605>the other girl dies>Yuffie was optional content Who's left in the game? Priscilla? Scarlet?
>>729622805You need to get into theorycrafting youtube. Stop caring about the story being "good" or "bad" and watch people talk about the lore for a few hours.Soon you won't actually care what is happening in the plot anymore and all that matters is what it adds to the lore.For example Nero showing up in Remake is not good for the story, but it IS good for the lore and the theories.Once you're a fan of FF7 theorycrafting literally everything that happens in the story, no matter what, is good - because it expands the lore. You can apply this to all the FF games and suddenly "bad writing" or "plotholes" simply disappear.
>>729623117Square's busy making the airship out of a trillion polygons.
>>729623117FF threads only make sense when you realise the fans of these games only play FF and maybe KHs and nothing else, which makes them think SE are constantly achieving the impossible.
>>729623117Which ones?
>>729623117I think people are more thinking about all the content the devs will have to make for each area rather than the actual mechanics of flying the ship
>>729623278100% correct
>>729622605They live together in Advent Children which is shaping up to be how part 3 ends, so yes.
>>729623467>They live together in Advent ChildrenDo they? Cloud never seems to be home and ignores Tifa's calls. If they do live together it isn't happily.
Is the implication supposed to be that there is a road that connects from midgar directly to junon and it connects to junon somewhere off camera?
>>729622605>shipWoman moment.
How do grown men end up becoming shippers?
>>729622805>>729623165>>729623278>being this bitter
>>729622805FF7R is good and I never consumed any other FF7 Spinoffs.
>>729623615Autism and loneliness
>>729623396FFXIVNo Man's SkyXenoblade XThe Outer WorldsOuter WildsElite DangerousDragon Quest XITotKStar CitizenGenshin ImpactList goes on and on
>>729623624What's wrong with theorycrafting youtubers?
>>729621358>the amount of remaining locations and setpieces islol, lmao even
What led to the rise of the incels within the FF7 fanbase?
>>729623615No one is dating now. How are we supposed to use our abundant free time?
>>729623558no, they go from Midgar to Junon by helicopter
>>729623819Fans theories are often more interesting than what the final product delivers.
>>729623903Only Incels and lesbians have the time to finish jrpgs.
>>729623907Ok but theres a road sign that says Migar to Junon in Remake and at the end of the Yuffie dlc the party sees a split in the road with left going to Kalm and right going to Junon a d at the start of reboth you see a shiinra roadblock on the road so I just assumed there is a road that does go directly to Junon
>>729623920A theory guy claimed the whispers were dead and gone after the end of remake and I repeated that theory as if it was a fact here countless times, usually to dismiss and whispers-related criticism. It turned out to be wrong and I had to eat crow but I never really admitted to being wrong but it still stings.I seriously posted about them being dead and gone a LOT and would get mad if anyone doubted me.
>>729623685Feel better now?
>>729613846>flanderized characters>butchered story>ubisoftslop>flopped>outsold by XVI 2x over despite having twice the budgetThis is a 0/10 game
>>729623817The point is not the mechanic itself, but the mechanic AND everything elseDq11 has it but it is a tremendously simple gameNo man sky does it but it is the point of the game to begin with
I beat OG7 less than a week ago and loved it. Started playing remake and I like all the characters a lot less. They talk so fucking much about nothing. No Tifa I don't want to spend 20 minutes killing rats, no Jessie I don't care about your dying dad and your pizza making mom. and NO AERITH I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE STUPID KIDS!
>>729624087>>729624162This never happened, jimbo.
>>729624305How would you know?
>>729624024i haven't thought about that possibility. Since there's no road from Kalm to junon, i assumed that there's was no road from Midgar to Junon.
>>729623869 what a cutie
>>729624347Because you are used to make up scenarios of your boogeyman as proof of your headcanon >>729623165>>729622805
>>729613846What you think doesn't matter because it left such a sour taste in everyone's mouth that Rebirth was outsold by Metaphor and swept at TGAs.
>>729624437Your English is very poor. And it's not made up, I used to claim the whispers were dead and gone all the time.I'm not sure why this bothers you, I'm admitting I was wrong. What's the problem?
>>729624349and to be honest i still don't know how Junon works at all. That city makes no sense. Where did all those people who were in the parade come from? From under Junon? There are like, 20 houses under Junon
>>729624598No you havent, jimbo. Thats my point.
>>729624584>metasnore out of nowhere
>>729624584You say it was outsold by Metaphor like it was a bad thing. Metaphor was very successful according to Sega.
>>729624265That's what happens when you stretch what was intended to be 6 or so hours or introductory, linear set pieces into a 45 hour long standalone game. OG7 stuck you in Midgar just long enough to get tired of it.
>>729624639But I have admitted I was wrong. I used to get really mad if anyone expressed doubts when I informed them the whispers were dead and gone.
>>729624162I don't feel anything.
>>729624718Atlus successful and SE successful are 2 different leagues. Rebirth needed 5 million sales to break even and it didn't even hit 2. Metaphor only need 1m to be in the green and it doubled that.
>>729624265The og can be beaten in like 30 hours with your eyes closed. It's a shockingly short game. You can get an additional 20 hours or so grinding out chocobos for KotR and defeating weapons.
>>729614296Nomura is a hack fraud and should kill himself.
>>729619678How the fuck does this dogshit look so bad.this garbage requires the latest hardware, RTX ect to run and it runs very poorly.Meanwhile part 1 looked BETTER and ran on a goddamn toaster.
>>729624609Under Junon is an undercity like Midgar.
>>729613846The character work in the remake trilogy should have been in the original gameAnd when FFVII's greatest strength is its characters over anything else, that makes me consider Remake superior to the original
>>729613846>NomuraRegardless of if you agree with the direction for FF7R or not, Nomura wanted it to be a faithful remake but Kitase and Nojima pushed for the current direction
>>729615151But the original had a happy ending.Their sacrifice wasn't for nothing and both Zack and Aerith were the best they could be.The one with the sad story is that chud Vincent
>>729624873>needed 5 million sales to break even and it didn't even hit 2.Lmao what? So Rebirth needed $350,000,000 in revenue to breakeven? I seriously fucking doubt it. Its sold over 3 million.
>>729624609The people at Junon lives in Junon. Its filled with houses, its not just a military base.
>>729622805true
>>729621118True.
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>729616690Possible but why?The overworld in Rebirth wouldn't work for a world map like in OG VII
>>729624985I had no problem with the game's length. I found the pacing fantastic, always seeing a new city, set piece or dungeon quickly. Only disappointment is how the final dungeon was much shorter and easier than the Rift in 5 or Kefka's tower in 5.
>>729625219It cost over 150 million before marketing and Sony and Steam take a 30% cut. It hasn't sold 2 million which is why they haven't released any sales info.
>>729621118>deflect and blame someone elseThe news that Nomura wanted a faithful remake didn't even come from Nomura. Kitase himself said in an interview that Nomura and Hamaguchi wanted it to be faithful. Nomura is just the only person you actually know in charge in the project so you put all the blame on him
>>729625268It induces cognitive head spaces
>>729614296>See XV, KH, and compilation slopAfter Tabata took over, XV's story was rewritten such that almost none of Nomura's original idea remainsCriticisms about KH's writing are meme-tier, and whatever you might dislike about KH already exists in literally every Final Fantasy but somehow it's OK thereNomura directed Advent Children but otherwise was not that involved in the Compilation outside of character design.
>>729621118Kek maybe this should be the first part of Nomura's law.
>>729625337You like remake but also like rebirth even more, thats why you make this mocking memes and write >>729622805
Oh lawd now Jimbo is falseflagging as a Nomura cuck to prove his laws correct.
>>729625318If Nomura got his way and made a faithful remake instead of what we got would you be ok with him being criticized for it? Or would you be insisting we thank him for it?
>>729625409>mocking memes??the lifestream DOES induce cognitive head spaces tho? what's mocking about that? if you knew the lore you'd know that's what it does
>>729625389Please stop falseflagging to make 7R fans sound bad
>>729623552As shit as the reasoning for him being depressed over Aerith and Zack’s deaths are, him also has weird alien space cancer and thinks he’s going to die probably didn’t help.
>>729625389You tried the no valid criticism thing already Jimmers.
>>729622805If SE made an objectively bad FF7 game and released it tomorrow, I'd buy it to see what happens in the story and to see the characters. I won't deny it.
>>729625337what I love about this theory is it was made as a cope to avoid admitting that 7R is pointless since it's about disposable fake timeline clones of the real characters in an alternate universe that does not matter (that's actually a multiverse making these clone characters matter EVEN LESS).Not realizing that "actually it's all a fever dream" is even worse than admitting it's multiverse slop.
>>729625317Your numbers are wrong on all accounts, with the exception of storefronts. Let's just use your retard math though and say it cost $200 million total (lol) plus another $100 million in storefront fees. They'd be $50 million in profit at your breakeven point.
>>729625758It's dream worlds. But not in a bad writing way. Dream worlds in a clever unique way.
>>729620684>It's a timeline reset after they failed to stop meteor in OG.But they did stop Meteor>>729620903>yfw Genesis is also from original continuity and found a way to chase Sephiroth through the Lifestream to stop him and defend the Planet>Remake is a sequel to DoC's secret ending
>>729625742I don't even know what that means
>>729625942Genesis in remake used to be a dealbreaker for me but it turns out it isn't. I guess there's nothing they could do that would ever lead me to calling it bad.
>>729625784Your math is wrong. Rebirth never sells full price and is only bought on discount.
>>729622805>Is BC good? NoNigga I know your ass didn't even play it
>>729625784Judging by the fact Horizon 2 and Last of us part 2 each cost 200-220 million to make I would guess Rebirth cost a lot less than that (Japan is much cheaper)
>>729613846it's not changing the story, it's a fucking sequel to 7. they literally reference the original plot as a foundation for events.
>>729626058I didn't play it but I am not ok with someone calling it bad
>Jimbo having another buck broken pasta spam meltie because no one's paying attention to his ironic fanboy shtickPack it up, bub. You're old news.
>>729625317Fun fact: FFXVI cost half as much to make yet sold 2x more than Redditbirth!
>>729622428i have painful flashbacks every time i see that retarded cathours and hours of horrendous filler, moving at a snails pace, doing sub 60 IQ "puzzles"the remake could be done in 12 hours in a single gamethink about that, they put HUNDREDS of hours of filler across THREE games
>>729613846>i think that changing a bit of the story is a good thing, even tho i didnt play the original
>everyone discussing videogames while ignoring the one guy in the corner jumping up and down and screaming about his boogieman that nobody cares about
>>729625867when you're dealing with existing characters and a tangible plot that was never meant to be "all a dream" and you just tack on "it was all a dream" it's always bad writing.
>>729625758Its not pointless, its all a metaphor about denial and loss
>>729626306But you obviously killed whisper harbinger in part 1, they're gone.
>>729622805>>729623165Sad but trueUnfortunately the cult is thinning since Rebirth flopped so hard
>>729625784Not the anon you responded to and loved Rebirth as much as I loved the original and Remake, but I’m not even sure it sold 2m. We know it shipped 2m but we still don’t have official sales numbers from either Squenix or Sony (and the latter will always use the word ‘shipped’ instead of ‘sold’ when games don’t meet expectations. See Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Yotei for examples). Also, modern AAA games and movies need to make x2.5 to break even to cover the costs of the budget, marketing/advertising (which causes a lot of bloat), other service fees and, in Squenix’s case, whatever the cost of the severance fee for breaking the Sony exclusivity clause is.
>>729626121Why is a sequel called Remake?
It's implied when you literally kill the whispers and Zack survives as a result of them being dead.Can they never come back? Of course they can, the writers can always come up with a convoluted convenient excuse to re-introduce them, but why would they? They've served their purpose. You know the characters have said they are gone.As of right now the whispers are written out. This can change but logic dictates that they are gone.
>>729626205Umm... Rebirth bros...? Care to explain?
>>729626221I like the cat :3
>>729626205>dat flopspokem budgetjfc no wonder they are replacing everyone with ai
>>729626330What are you even talking about?
is aerith dead or not?
>>729626398>breaking the Sony exclusivity clause is.I don't think there was ever a breach of contract. Sonys exclusive rights to the Remakes always expire like a month after release.
>>729626306no it's not it's just a thematically incoherent compilation of anime cringe by senile jap devs with severe brainrot.
>>729626564Cloud and co killed off the time jannies and super time janny so now they wont instill fate anymore, meaning story changes. But theres no reason to bring those back. Why would they try to uphold Fate if you destroyed The Arbiter of Fate?
>>729626632Ancients never die.
>>729626632It doesn't matter.And it's very important that people realise her death was NEVER important to the plot before part 3 comes out so that complaints about her living OR dying can be invalidated swiftly.IT DOES NOT MATTER IF AERITH LIVES OR DIES. AND IT NEVER DID.
>>729626662You are one of those who think exp33 story is also just “just a dream lmao”
>>729622805holy shit guys what if ff7 was never good either? And we are just seeing it in rose-tinted glasses or something?
>>729626781Why are you like this, jimbo? Do you have a real thought?
>>729626809it follows the same generic trope but it's a "painting". A distinction without a difference.and yes before you ask E33 is badly written garbage.
>>729626781Do we keep her alive for fanfare or kill her for continuity?Its honestly a tough choice. Killing her would bring less criticism.
>>729626882If you disagree say so. Do you have any thought other than "jimbo"? Maybe you could express one sometime.
>>729626917E33 is mediocre, but the nonwhite seethe it causes makes it GOTY worthy.
>>729626781Part 3 isn't even written yet. They are waiting for fan feedback before they decide anything. It's why they did a 180 on the whispers. It's just soulless corporate pandering tot the lowest common denominator and ultimately the reason only 20% of people returned from Remake.
>>729614296I get the feeling people who say shit like this don't read fanfiction
>>729627078But they didnt
>>729627078>20% of people returned from RemakeWat
>>729625942It was vague whether they stopped it or not. In AC that vagueness was answered but in Remake they use back that question to slot in a timeline reset.
>>729627078That explains the dumbass ending of Rebirth. Leave plenty of wiggle room to "save" Aerith.
>>729627078The whispers are gone and were exclusive to part one, they will not be in the rest of the remake. Hence the focus on the unknown journey ending title card, and sephiroth saying the future passed this point doesn't yet exist.The whole zack bit was to show again that there are different timelines that exist, but that the whispers are in every timeline. Since we defeated them, zack in that separate timeline lives. Hence the focus on the chip bag with a different version of the STAMP character.The only purpose of the zack scenes was fanservice and to clairfy for the audience that the whispers are now DEAD\GONE from ALL timelines, which means our remake timeline story can literally go any direction.
>>729627279This never happened, jimbo
>>729627202>the Lifestream literally shoots out from the planet and nullified Meter>vague
>>729627129Do you ever actually discuss or do you just "nuh uh" posts you dislike all day
>>729627007Illogical and silly idea to put in your own head.Quality is not determined by what browns think or who hates what.
>>729627306Ok, I laughed
>>729627129I was being generous with the 20%.
>>729626205>sold 2x more than Redditbirth!aaaaand no source
>>729627279"Time Jannies are dead! They died in Part 1!"...until they show up in Part 2 to undo their death in part 1...
>>729627136Remake sold like crazy Rebirth sold like absolute shit Reunion will probably sell even worse because the people who did not show up for Rebirth are probably not going to show up now
>>729627202No, it wasn't vague at all.FFVII is an environmentalist story. The Planet was what was at risk. The Planet survived.Midgar being destroyed doesn't mean that Meteor landed, it means Midgar was destroyed.Midgar, which is the not-so-subtle icon of corporate and industrial greed which threatened the Planet's life.Nature won. It can't be clearer.Remake Sephiroth is attempting to undo his failure in the original timeline, this much is also abundantly clear. We kill the Whispers in Remake not to defy fate, but because Sephiroth influenced the events of the game to lead us there, untethering the Remake timeline from its predestined outcomes.
>>729627309Yet it was only until AC that the question was answered
>>729627579>second-guessing the character most aware of them and what they're doing
>>729613846>i didnt play the original i think there's nothing wrong with rebirth and remakeOpinion discarded
Maybe the plot will get better and any further changes can actually get proper room to breath and get interesting now that the whisper shit is gone but who knows. I'm along for the ride either way.
>>729627383But, anon. I didn't say it was quality. I said it was mediocre. The seethe however is kino.FF7R is leagues better.>>729627602The trilogy will be judged on how it sticks the landing with part 3. I've enjoyed it so far and I'm excited for 3. If all goes well we might get an FF8R.
>>729627627So Remake Sephiroth reset the timeline to the point after he died in CC? Why not before he was killed by Cloud?
Whispers being gone means the party and Sephiroth have carte-blanche on the rest of the plot and they do not have to even vaguely follow FF7's plot.
Rebirth flopped so bad they will just release an AI upscale of the original game and have Cloud sitting in a chair explaining how the whispers fixed everything and returned the timeline to what it was meant to be.
>>729627815There is a chance what happens in Reunion draws people back, and makes them at least partially accept the retardation. They might go back and purchase Rebirth and then go into Reunion.Depending on how the story plays out. I doubt 8 will ever get remade, it just doesn't seem likely.I always wondered why they didn't remake the other older ones like they did 3/4 on the DS.I feel like they could do that pretty cheap on Switch 1/2.
>>729627815The point of remake and rebirth are two questions: "can things change?" and "no, they cant", and part 3 will be the synthesis of these two ideas: "change what you can, accept what you cant"You cant change the past but you can change the future.You cant save aerith or zack, but you can defeat sephiroth once and for all.If the ending of part 3 still leads to AC, the entire trilogy will have been badly written and bad storytelling.
>>729627564Official source is Square EnixXVI 3M SoldRebirth 0M SoldSo 3x Redditbirth
>>729624584>metaflopseething at Kinobirth won't get your dogshit royal edition uncancelled >>729624873>Atlus successful and SE successful are 2 different leagues. The difference is SE will always be independant while faglus will always give every penny they make to daddy sega.
>>729627921Idk how those titles sold. I should maybe check them out. They were more if a remaster than a remake if I'm not mistaken. I only played 7 through 13. The games started to become souless and I moved on to other titles. FF8R would be tits though. As would 9 and shit by the time they'd done those even 10 could be on the table.
>>729628036>3 x 0 = 3We deserve better shills.
>>729627838Cloud didn't kill Sephiroth at Nibelheim
>>729628115What tier did XVI finish in?
>>729627931>If the ending of part 3 still leads to AC, the entire trilogy will have been badly written and bad storytelling.And it won't. It'll end like how the OG did, but the context of the ending and what it represents for the whole Remake leading up to it is what'll be different. That's basically been their while mission statement since the first game.>It's not a faithful retelling of the original like you were expected, but MAN, what a wild and whacky ride that was! Did you rike it?
>>729628243So why is he dead?
>>729628461Didn't sell enough copies to even be in bronze with Metaphor despite Metaphor only having 2.5 months of sales.Considering XVI outsold Rebirth on PC it's safe to assume that Metaphor also outsold Rebirth.Pretty embarrassing considering Atlus does all their work for free.
>>729614051>the story hasn't changed its just wasting your time by conflating itftfy, trash is still trash
>>729622805/thread
>>729628635He's not. During the entire game he's in Northern Crater, acting through Jenova>>729628725Not what conflating means
>>729628640Why didn't PC save their sales?
>>729625580Never did get an answer to this, I guess someone was just having a little episode
>>729628850aka dead. That's why he couldn't kill Aerith himself, he had to use a proxy
>>729628905Negative word of mouth.
>>729613846You didn't play the original so how would you know? That's like eating vegan meat substitute and saying it tastes just like real meat without having ever tasted meat.
>>729628036>Rebirth 0M Soldstill no source
Damn Tifa is ugly as fuck from the front. Kinda looks like a bird or something.
>>729628938He was thrown into the Lifestream, he didn't die.Tifa and Cloud also fall into the Lifestream, you know.
>Flawless deep combat >Great characters >Great story >Great art direction >Great OST>Waifus >Good graphics >Lots of content >Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends This is a 10/10 game
>>729627838Why would sephiroth prevent himself from absorbing mega god lifestream powers and controlling jenova?Logically he is only able to whacky alteruniverse because it happened in the first place.
>>729623165>proving him right and being too stupid to realize itLol.Lmao.
>>729629487So why didn't Sephiroth just kill the president and Aerith himself?
>>729624265But it explores the personalities of the characters. I actually like that they include that missions.
>>729628905For me, I didn't even know it was available. I just got it on this Christmas sale.
>>729628640>flopping to even shitstain grim
>>729629752Why wouldn't he want to be not killed by Cloud and then do all the other shenanigans afterwards?
>>729629949Because he's stuck in the mako crystal, dumbass
>>729613846So far the changes to Sephiroth have been for the better. Much better than >my mom's an alien? time to kill everyone!Him being a creepy rapist towards Cloud is a lot more fun
>>729630107So why wasn't Cloud and Tifa also stuck in mako crystal?
>>729630209>why>why>why>but whyAre you a child? Play the damn game
>>729630476But why reset the timeline to the time he's most disadvantagous? But why don't he just wait until Cloud is dead naturally after DoC?
>>729627078>Part 3 isn't even written yetWe’ve had the better part of the year filled with updates from Squenix that Part 3 was taking shape, along with one from a few weeks ago that it is in the refinement and polishing part. So it’s still likely we’re getting Part 3 sometime in the first half of 2027.
>>729630604>the time he's most disadvantagous?You mean the time when he can be anywhere at any time across the Planet because he can take control of anything with Jenova cells?>why don't he just waitBecause his plan hinges on MeteorCloud is a part of his plan (again) and he's manipulating him much earlier and to a much higher degree in Remake
>>729630000A better way to explore the personalities is to play the OG which features entire character arcs because it is a full game and not just the first 7 hours stretched to fit 40 hours.
>>729631252So reset to the time before he was killed by Cloud and then take the black materia himself. No Cloud to kill him and no Aerith to cast holy. Or better yet, kill Aerith earlier.
If Aerith just would have been captured by Shinra, would she still be alive?
Let me get this straight. This dude's master plan is to have a dog knock up Aerith?
>>729632004He's a mad scientist, what do you want?
>>729632004He just hated Aerith because his own son thought her dad was smarter and cooler.
>>729632004Let me guess, you need more?
The amount of people who still havent played OG and say the story(telling) in the 7Rs is better...The amount of people who have played OG a dozen+ times and spitshine square's balls just so the remake is finished, knowing full well it's a worse story...There's a reason the games dont sell anywhere near the unit count the PSX era did.
>>729615151This won't happen you know ? You can consider them already dead. The time fuckery is certainly caused by Cloud himself by using both white and black materias and what alternate Aerith is going to do is trying to dissuade Cloud to do it with the secret message that wedge and other characters that live longer than they should will finally bring it to him.At the end nothing gonna change.
>>729632593Remake is better than the OG. You never even defeated the weapons.
>>729632004And?
>/v/ is full of zoomers who think the demake is better than the originalGrim.
Morning Jimbo
>>729614051yeah its exactly the same, imagine if everyone on the titanic was self aware the ship was about to crash and all had smart phones and selfie sticks reacting to the entire thing, the story didnt change at all, just some stuff added on top!!!
I hate the Japanese.
>>729631242This guy doesn't know what he's talking about
E33 really put into perspective how bad Japan has gotten at making RPGA.
all my life FF7 was held up as this massive property that everyone knows, loves and respects and then the remakes come out and I don't know anyone who plays or talks about them.
>>729634604This board is full of retarded faggots who talk about the games. The games are terrible. The visuals are fantastic but I can't level grind and for some reason the monsters you run in to are in plain sight. One of the fun things about the original (and 2 and 3) is you will never know when you will end up in a battle
>>729620448Cloud, Yuffie, Tifa.I suppose every character can be made broken depending on how you play it but the combos/ATB gen on Tifa and the ranged/invincibility spam on Yuffie is unreal.
>>729620448I rolled with Cloud, Tifa and Aerith. After completing the story, I went with Yuffie, Tifa and Aerith
>>729622805I'll defend part 3 becauseI play games for the gameplay and I read books or watch movies for the story/writing/charactersSome of the side quests still drag on too long
>>729613846Why is Aerith so unpopular compared to Tifa comparatively. Is it the tit size.
>>729635272Aerith dies and some people have qualms with fapping to dead characters. Also Tifa is physical fighter with physically fit body while Aerith is a caster and she's bit stiff.
>>729635272Aerith is pretty, Tifa is beautiful.
>>729635272Childhood friend and a built-in sex scene helps.
>>729634160Isn't it a bit soon? Wouldn't expect it to come out before 2027 at the earliest.
>>729634160Was referring to this one https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-remake-director-issues-update-on-part-3-progress-and-reveals-clouds-iconic-buster-sword-was-almost-resized-to-make-it-more-realisticI don’t even know who and/or where your article is from.
>>729614296Agreed Nomura cannot write for shit.But Nojima is writing again. The guy that just ripped off Highlander II for the plot of FFVII.
>>729620448First time playthrough was mainly Cloud and Barret. Whoever I had in the third slot rarely ever mattered. Hard Mode for the Platinum Trophy was Cloud, Aerith and Yuffie once I figured out how fucked Aerith and Yuffie were together, with Cloud there to Limit Siphon off of Aerith with the returning item from Remake that gives a Limit Break at the start of fights and all actions increase it. Outfits were also Chocobo Breeze for Cloud, Shinra Trooper for Aerith and Tifa, Bikini for Yuffie, Loveless Jester for Cait Sith that glitched out and went between that and his normal one in Chapter 11 for some weird reason, and normal for Barret and Red. Was annoyed Cloud and Barret didn’t get their Loveless outfits but guess I can do that if I ever get a cheap copy on PC in the future.
>>729634857Random battles gets so fucking tiresome.
>>729635272Aerith is the prettiest girl in gaymen.
>>729634857>I can't level grindkek
>>729636554They give exp and ap making your characters and materia stronger
>>729635272First off assume most people are secondaries, who haven't played VII. For these people three things are working against Aerith. Aerith appears less than Tifa in supplementary material like Advent Children. Tifa became a sex symbol due to her enormous breasts in comparison to Aerith's huge ones, which are also half-obscured. Fanartists, from whom secondaries get their content, prefer drawing Tifa due to that sex symbol status and their other reason is that Aerith is harder to draw due to her intricate hair and outfit. Meanwhile Tifa's design is very simplistic and iconic and if you squint enough she looks like a stick figure with two spheres, thus making her design not just iconic but downright universal.Then there's the group, who did play VII, for them the thing against Aerith is that she's dead. This causes many to never use her due to thinking it's a waste, so they don't have a chance to get attached.
>>729613846>Even tho I didn't play the originalopinion discarded. Kindly shut the fuck up since you know not of what you speak.The remake fucking sucked. the graphics and the porn we got from it were it's only redeeming factors.
Have they mentioned anything about switching over to UE5 for part 3?
>>729613846>even tho i didnt play the original i think there's nothing wrong with rebirth and remake
>>729635272Aerith is Gwen Stacy, Tifa is Mary Jane
