I love CRPGs/turn-based strategy/roguelites/etc. but what the fuck is up with this overblown overwritten combat system man, half the skills don't even feel meaningful, especially the fucking Operative, what a shit fucking class.Am I being filtered or is this just bad game design?
I just remember the game being piss easy and the combat system unremarkable.
I’m not 100% sure but I think they just ripped the mechanics from the 40k tabletop RPG (which is a thing)
>>729643940If there were no season passes, dlc, pay to get a hero shit I Would buy this game, but they decided to make a cancerous marketing decision.
>>729643940Owlcat CRPG's are embarrassingly bad and there is no reason to play them when you have literal decades worth of old CRPG's to play.
>>729644016I beat act 1 and yeah on normal the combat has been mostly a breeze, still don't get why there's so much unecessary "complexity" that is basically meaningless.
>>729644083I think their games are pretty good myself and hold up well compared to old CRPGs.
>>729644083I played all the crpgs in existence though (I've been unemployed for 30 years)
>>729644096If you up the difficulty it becomes meaningful. Obviously if everything is already easy you dont need to delve into the system
>>729644083I love Owlcat games, to each their own.
>>729643940>especially the fucking OperativeWhat's your problem with it? I thought Operative was quite interesting.
Operative is ok
>>729644372the fucking analyse/expose tokens are so fucking boring, click three things, shoot your 95% sniper, move on.maybe it gets better later on but in act 1 it was the most fucking tedious one to play by far.
Operative needs setup in a game where combat is done by second turn
>>729644665Have you at least got your second active ability already? It seems that you are complaining too soon. A lot of an operative's potential is only unlocked when you get to the second class.
>>729643940The Pathfinder games even worse. It's just Owlkeks style
>>729643940Thanks for reminding me of this, I've been meaning to pick it up. Just finished a new playthrough of BG3, looking for another turn-based CRPG and it's still winter sale
>>729645132Remember to pick all the DLC too
>>729644031I hate that shit myself buuuuut picking up these games five years later with all DLC for like 5 bucks is always fucking great, I picked up XCOM2 WOTC a week ago finally and have been HAVING A FUCKING BLAST, absolutely love the WOTC content and the "kings"/"rulers" whatever the fuck they're called. So much dynamic shit bolted on that kept getting introduced every few missions, and I thought X1 EW was already PEAK.
>turn 1>argenta fires her bolter 58 times at 95% accuracy, each shot doing maximum possible damage rollI'm not sure what the combat system in this game actually is, because I rolled the game on "Normal" with that one character while everyone else just sort of cheered her on. There was some sort of final boss battle against a chaos guy but argenta just killed him in one turn and then everyone shrugged and carried on. The hardest part of the game was that moment in commoragh where your party is split up and you don't have any gear.
>>729643940Games funI love it
>>729645832thanks for reminding me this game exists, looks like its actually finished and all the DLC are out now, so its finally time to buy it for 90% off lmaooo
>>729643940My operative kicks ass you prob just made a bad build. It took me awhile to make argenta even mediocre so i probably made a bad build, other people claim argenta is great. Had to give her a new weapon type, bolter was trash, never hit.My guy gets massive highly accurate long range single target damage, massive debuffs on enemies, action economy to shoot way more extra shots than should be allowed and benefits greatly from an officer giving extra ap and shots.
>Operator Wonder if owlcats will bother to add the new bodypart aiming from DH to RT
>playthrough 1>do act 1>go to the place w refugees>go to janus>get bored and play something else. Forget where i was and what i was doing>playthrough 2>make slightly better build choices, speed clear to place w refugees>objective go to 3 planets>instead of janus, go to factory world with crazy chaos machine and big fucking fat guy>repeat janus>explore space>put game down>forget where i was and what i was doingThe great filter
>>729646861No fucking way
>>729647012>2 more RT DLCs guaranteed on the way, another two more allegedly mentioned in a steam by a devWe'll see
>>729643940>he got filtered by RT of all thingsLMAOyou nu/v/lings wouldn't survive Kenabres in WOTR
>>729645132>BG3playing an actual cRPG will break your brain and you will end up making threads like thesestick to your normieshit hollywood quipslop with autocombat
>>729647217it's not about being filtered, the game is probably the easiest CRPG i've played on normal, it's just kinda... not fun combat-wise, I don't even mind steamrolling enemies in other turn-based games, but at least the combat systems there are more fun.
>>729643940Operative into Executioner is good but boring, that much is true. Goes well with psykerism.>>729647314Dumb nigger, you haven't played either.
>>729647385>BG3>"I take the Attack action.">resolves literally every single encounter in the game, no matter the difficulty because 5E was made for people with room temp IQ to enjoyRT at least requires you to stack modifiers and press more buttons (even if that is just your Officer giving your AM/Executioner an extra turn to 1shot everything on the encounter)and the Pathfinder games require actual builds
>>729647581Buff stacking is faggoty bullshit and has no place in RPGs.
>>729647690sorry sweety you WILL cast 30 buffs before any encounter and you WILL like it
>>729647581>buff stacking simulator>chaff cleaning simulator>actual buildsand you call bg3 an auto-battler? you niggers really are shameless, don't make me laugh
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>>729646198yeah get it asap, shit's fucking golden, actually makes me curious if Marvel Midnight Suns bullshit is any good, combat system seems unique at the very least.
>>729643940definitely bad game design, owlcat thought people enjoyed bloat because kingmaker and wotr were successful
>>729643940Operative isn't 'shit' necessarily, but it just feels so unneeded to fuck around with debuffs/exploits when you can just stomp the fuck out of your opponents with Soldier/Vanguard/Bladedancer/Navigator/OfficerThey tried to provide variety, but everyone very quickly found the best skills/classes
>>729648048Midnight Suns is in fact very good; much easier than XCOM, but enjoyable (and characters are actually written like their comic book equivalents if you're into that)
>>729647314You don't actually play CRPGs you faggot
>>729644031Shit taste, the fact that now games can receive proper support post release instead of being abandoned is great
>>729643940>luck into the right character build (or use a guide)>game is easy>don't do that>it's hard
>>729647314>Buzz buzz buzzBusy little bee parroting the words of others, cmon anon at least TRY to make a coherent, well thought out sentence of your own.
>>729649505>warrior/executioner arbites with a shield>insane mobility with the shield rush that can be used to get ahead>destroys everything on higher levels with late game gear>give pasqal the overseer class with the servo skulls because it fits him being a tech priest, without looking into it>he ends up much weaker than all the other party membersThe skulls are pointless even if you have the skills that benefit from the redistribution ability, because they're slow as shit and can't keep up with the highly mobile melee fighters, the radius is incredibly small and there's no way to increase it, and all the feats improving it feel pointless.
>>729649467that's not support, that's just them releasing an unfinished game
I just beat WotR and am going to play Kingmaker. Is there anything I need to know before playing?
>>729650558Put the town management minigame on automatic. It's fucking shit.
>>729650409Every game released nowadays is unfinished. At least RT is pushing 150h when it comes to content.>>729650558Skip kingmaker, it's cancer.
>>729650558Twins best girls
>>729650558>Keep a torch and/or some AoE for swarms>you want something that helps you avoid gaze attacks at late gameAll I can think of atm.Also call of wild mod had some lulzy classes if you'd like even more options
>>729650409Nope, objectively wrong, game is complete as it the case with other games. DLC content like this is something that would never, ever exist otherwise and game would be worse without it. Fortunately games nowadays can fulfill their potential and be further enhanced post release, instead of being abandoned just to make another game instead.
>>729646875On playthrough 4 iirc and never got beyond Commoragh. Place is shit, story milestones up to that point have been pants on head retarded. Leveling up became dreadful because the level is either a complete waste or I spent 10minutes each char to recalculate how I could add to the global gameplan.Commoragh is where the game had the highest torque and they chose to slamm the breaks. The halting process is angering.
>>729651124void shadows literally has cut content in it
>>729651220void shadows is inconsequential to story of this game. It's just another adventure and more content
>>729651256dude owlcat literally talked about cutting exploration off your ship, and what does void shadows do?
>>729651325adds a random unrelated side quest about genestealers
>>729644031>>729651220>>729650409It would have remained cutYou guys seem to always point out at DLCs without understanding themIf you made DLCs illegals, you would NOT get the DLC content in the base game, you would just get the base gameStudios aren't going to dev the game paying their bills and salaries for more months or years without an economic returnObvioulsy I'm not saying core mechanics should be DLC locked like paradox does in some games, that's another issue entirely.
>>729651368they literally added your astro path that was mentioned in-game but never shownAll the ship exploration stuff was content they cut
>>729651256>>729651368Obviously, if a paid DLC added more to the main quest, it wouldn't be optional anymore and everyone would be complaining about an extra tax being forced upon them.I wouldn't mind it that much if there was a DLC focused on Voigtvir fleshing him out as a villain instead of just throwing him away to tie up loose ends.
>>729651526All of it is related to genestealer plot which is an irrelevant sidequest. They had a general idea to include ship exploration, but it never existed and it wasn't important to the base game. It was never cut because there was nothing to cut. It was never a thing prior to dlc, which they then themed to be around Death Cult vs Genestealers.
>>729643940>>729644016Its a power fantasy game. The combat exists only to merely take you to the next dialogue. They didn't think too much about it. The combat is still much more fun than BG3 THOUGH.
>>729651680>>729651526>>729651368>>729651256>irrelevant inconsequential sidequest>forces a bad ending on you if you fail or ignore the quest
>heard bringing certain characters develop differently if you bring them along to main missions>now im parallelized with indecisiveness on who to bring along, especially in act 3I guess its cool for replayability, but man, these are 150+ hour games, i dont have time for this shit.Does using pic related work the same as bringing everyone along for the mission?
>>729650558>Is there anything I need to know before playing?Owlcat is unable to create halflings females who do not require correction
>>729651208Cumrag is like five hours long, get a grip.
>>729652336>Does using pic related work the same as bringing everyone along for the mission?Pretty much. Toybox also allows actually taking everyone along, if you don't mind any balance being shot even harder than usual and combat taking ages
>>729643940I played on core difficulty, or whatever the equivelant for this game, and it was piss easy. Nice game otherwise.
>>729652449I dont really care about balance, its more that i'd find it tedious to control 12+ characters.
Isn't Rogue Trader just modified BRP? I remember seeing BRP as really simple, just rolling 1d100 for everything, skill checks are just roll under your skill %.
>>729652336>parallelized
>>729652507Fair, I just mentioned it because many people never notice the option.
>>729649505The game gives you two characters with warrior as their base class. You have to really inept at these types of games if you do not immediately realize how to break the system after using the warrior's heroic act once.
Damn, i was not ready for the 2nd dlc, already its off to a wild start
>>729652687>when you unlock extra movement on kill when using momentumGotta go fast.
>>729652774https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jVgn0R_5PgOne of the most memorable parts of the game for me.
Should i, bros? Seems like some kind of bait
>>729652954Don't bully her, she's your friend.
>>729652954do it faggot
I got the base game on release but after a few hours I decided to wait until all DLC was out, so... is all DLC out yet?
>>729653452only 2 out of 4 big packs with potentially more to come I assume
>>729653452No
>>729653452lolHaven't checked the steam myself yet but I hear they are planning DLC #5 and #6
I played RT on Normal because of my experience with how they balanced their Pathfinder games and it was maybe the easiest run through a CRPG I've ever had. I don't remember exactly what I did but it involved giving the sister of battle a load of extra turns before combat even starts and then nuking anything she couldn't one-shot with my psyker MC's emperor attack which had absurd scaling. When you can break both action economy and damage numbers so easily there's not really going to be anything that can threaten you.
>>729653527>>729653534>>729653562damn, I guess it's gonna sit in my backlog for another year at least then lol. Thanks for the answers
What's a good class to pick for a heretic playthrough, which maybe benefits the most from some of the gear requiring heretic alignment?Also is it possible to kill or ditch the non-heretical companions through the story? Like can I blast Argenta's brains out, or do I have to talk to her on the ship and tell her to fuck off?
>>729653774Necron focused dlc with Trazyn and another one with Processional of the Damned (Orks probably) will release next year, assuming no delays happen they always do lol. They said they are considering another season too. That would be weird with Dark Heresy releasing next year too and then it obviously having dlcs as well. They would need to make alternating dlc releases for DH and RT then, sounds like overkill, but might happenso make it 2 years then
>>729654036>a heretic playthroughdon't
>>729654043Might be more than one team, they upsized a while ago and went publisher. And any assets done for one game aren't exactly useless for the other in this case
