>>729651327
I tried Bazzite
Linux still sucks ass

>Are you gonna give this nigga a try in 2026?
I have been using it since 2017.
It's not meant for the desktop.
You just switch away your Windows problems to have Linux problems instead.
Which are much worse btw.
And you realize how much better windows is developed for the desktop.

>>729651327
I'll land on LiGNUx as soon as Win10 becomes unusable.

>>729651327
If I have to choose between unbloating win 11 and installing Linux until it stop breaking I pick win 11>>729651327

Maybe when the 20% performance penalty on Nvidia cards get fixed.
Maybe.

Windows 11 is a genuine humiliation ritual, having to suffer all that shit because you fell for the Linux boogeyman

>>729651327
Don't think /v/tards are smart enough for Linux.

Been on Linux for around 5 years I think, first Mint then Arch. Maybe I'll try out CachyOS next.

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>>729653726
>>on Nvidia cards
>Funding the company that is actively hurting the PC platform and helped creating a bubble.

>>729651327
i would use linux all the time, if I wasn't so lazy run games through a VM on there. have no idea how to do it.

windows fucking sucks.
the only time I tried out linux in the past was when I used xubuntu and it was pretty nice.

>>729653726
is there really a 20% performance penalty?

>>729654643
>is there really a 20% performance penalty?
No.

>>729654606
Maybe next time, I'll switch to AMD but right now I am keeping my 2080.

>>729654643
>is there really a 20% performance penalty?
yes, depends on the game but DX12 titles seem to have 10 to 20% performance decrease comparative to Windows. and its only on Nvidia cards AMD doesn't have the issue

>>729654643
>Gaming VM
You're making it too hard for yourself - passthrough is obnoxious to set up, if you have a spare SSD or room to create a partition on your main drive that's the way to go.
>performance penalty
You get access to newer drivers faster on linux, and inherently you're reducing the overhead from all the telemetry / spyware / retarded engineering decisions MS made on Win11. I was heavy into Melee on windows for a while and I would get virtually unplayable framerates until I turned off the background update service (which automatically turns itself back on when it finds it's off). Just became such a fucking headache and I have not had to do any tweaking at all on the same hardware to get better performance.

Don't bother with the gimmick distros, run EndeavourOS (Basically just Arch Installer with accessibility utilities) with Plasma Desktop. Shit is clean as fuck.

>>729651886
that's so funny to me I've never had issues with stock linux distro installs randomly breaking on me like I have with Windows.
>install Minecraft through official Microsoft Store app
>one day randomly stops working
>Google error code, apparently common issue
>Links me to Indian youtube videos to pipe random powershell commands in
>still no luck, try official support channels
>"Have you tried rebooting?"-Tier technical support
>Waste literal days trying to fix, end up using a different installer
Crazy how the biggest game ever made just fucking breaks when installed through official channels. Windows exclusively exists to keep indian IT professionals employed.

>>729655864
The fear mongering around Linux has been pretty unfounded in my experience. I use Windows 11 everyday in my work PC and it suuuuuuucks.

>>729655864
>using a russian keylogger to "debloat" aka fuck up your os
>wtf why is it not working properly?

>>729656025
are you retarded? Where in my post does it say that

I have Linux and it's sucks

>>729651572
>You just switch away your Windows problems to have Linux problems instead.
more people switch to Linux, more problems get solved, better Linux gets, more people switch to Linux
why can't retards across the internet comprehend the positive feedback loop?

I gave the little nigga a try this year and I've been pleased overall. English user steam usage of Linux is nearing 8%

I keep windows installed on an SSD but I honestly haven't booted to it in months

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>>729651327
>ITT debtcattle financing and facilitating Microsoft's botnet with their hardware and bandwidth
lol
lmao

>>729651327
I'm not a fag so no.

>>729651327

Been using Linux almost daily since 2007.

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no
>why?
nvidia

>>729651327
fuck no. there needs to be an alternative to fucking linux that doesn't require cmd bullshit to do tasks

>>729658459
yes it's typically called a "Desktop Environment" and it is installed alongside the operating system.

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>>729651327
Maybe if that dx12 issue with nvidia is fixed, but windows just werks anyway and does everything I need it to
>>729654606
I'm simply going to get whatever is the better product

No because I am not a pathetic incel.

>>729651572
>No native support for filesystems that aren't from the 90s
Actual garbage.
>>729658459
Commandline is the easiest, fastest, most compatible and most versatile tool for accomplishing simple tasks.
Even if you insist on a GUI, these are typically included out of the box anyway.

>>729656337
>why can't retards across the internet comprehend the positive feedback loop?
This is a fallacy, go watch old videos were people said Linux was shit and you find that these aged very well. Linux hasn't become better (at least on the desktop) but more retarded abstractions were made which isn't any good when you are one abstraction away form the command line which consumer/gamers don't use.

>>729655864
I had a similar experience on Windows 10. A game from GoG just refused to work, no matter what. The windows logs were entirely unhelpful and all other games were fine, but this one? It didn't work. It'd start and then immediately crash. Online there was no help to be found.
To this day I don't know why.

Worked just fine on Linux. The worst part about Windows is trying to figure out the reason something is fucked, there's just no feedback that's accessible to the user. Maybe Microsoft goons get an e-mail with useful details, but you get nothing unless you deliberately attach a debugger.

>>729660282
>>No native support for filesystems that aren't from the 90s
>Actual garbage.
Nobody cares about file systems at least normal computer user like on >>>/v/.
That's something for tech dweebs, the type you find on >>>/g/. Which are unemployed and have all time of their life fixing shit.

>>729660586
You don't care about file systems until you become a victim of it and realise what a piece of shit ntfs is and how hard btrfs mogs it

>>729660424
I guarantee you haven't used a modern DE. Go try Plasma for a day and tell me windows 11 is better.
>go watch old videos
I use both linux and windows daily, from personal experience I have had innumerably more problems running windows randomly breaking shit compared to linux. If you're not a retard and you just run a simple system you are unlikely to have problems. Most users do everything in the browser anyway, please give me specific problems you are having that you don't have on windows.
>inb4 Nvidia drivers
I will give you that one for free

>>729651327
I already did
It's fucking awful. Fuck you and fuck this spam thread that might convince someone more retarded than me to try it.

Already switched a month ago. Honestly, it feels really good.

>>729660816
>You don't care about file systems until you become a victim of it and realise what a piece of shit ntfs is and how hard btrfs mogs it
I have had more data corruptions and dataloss on Linux than I had on windows (which is never as long as the hardware isn't dead, so is the data). So please get that one out of your head big time.

>>729661139
what the fuck are you doing on your computer

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>>729656337
>more problems get solved
no, more freeloaders get added to the equation and create more noise to sift through for developers
this attitude is like pointing at a buffet and acting like there will be more chefs to compensate for the burden of the many retards that just want a free meal
>food analogy? how dare you
Yes I did. Fuck you. Open source doesn't guarantee that people are going to spend time figuring out a problem and solve it, and Linux developers are notoriously uncooperative even within their own community. Linux in essence proves why Communism cannot ever work, not even in digital form.

>>729660959
>It's fucking awful.
Compared to what?
Did you fall for the gnome meme?

>>729661307
works on my machine

>>729661307
solving problems that only retards can stumble into is objectively a good thing when it comes to mass adoption

>>729660849
>I guarantee you haven't used a modern DE. Go try Plasma for a day and tell me windows 11 is better.
That's what I am using the fact that I need to use the command line to not have permission issues blows my mind windows handles this miles better hands down. So I have tried all the DEs out there and they are always missing graphical tooling or something is wrong with them, you shouldn't need to use the command line, the command line should be a superUser/Admin tool and on demand rather than mandatory.
>Most users do everything in the browser anyway
No they don't, these users you are talking about are non-existent all of them use phones. If you still use a PC in 2025 you have a very good reason for it.
That be gaming
Office work
or other multimedia tasks that are easier on PC
Video editing / creative stuff
Music production.
All of this is still normie shit because these people don't care about the backend or anything all they are about the "apps". Once again something linux lacks.

>>729651327
I have Mint on a laptop, probably gonna put CachyOS on my main PC next year. with Windows 10 LTSC as a dual boot option if needed, in case I play a game with an anti-cheat which doesn't play nice with Linux.

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>>729658459
>>729658687
>it is installed alongside the operating system
Yep and if you don't like the one you picked you can an install a new one after you've installed the operating system. And if you don't like the way it looks you can install themes for it. And if you don't like the layout you can customize its functions without the OS treating you like you're a hacker who installed an evil virus.

>>729661763
You don't need command line for anything permissions related on KDE. Although I think you do need command line to change ownership of objects, but this is exactly the "superuser/Admin" tool you're talking about. You really shouldn't be changing ownership of stuff when your system is set up correctly.
Changing permissions of some file or folder is just a matter of right clicking and selecting the permissions tab.

Actually, to be honest, you should never have permissions issues to begin with on a correctly set up system. It's a pretty weird thing to have those. Like Gentoo or Arch user tier weird.

>>729661236
>what the fuck are you doing on your computer
It's called using the USB interface, Windows once again has a feature build in (Quick Removal) where it handles usb drives/ external storage differently which Linux doesn't.
- It writes the data immediately
- allows unplugging without any data loss.
Meanwhile on Linux you unplug the drive and your data is lost because it didn't put the data on the drive even though the progress bar is gone and a notification has been send.
>But you should eject it form the KDE menu.
The thing is it's normal behavior for me to unplug, also when I don't do that and press eject doesn't necessarily mean it does it right either, And I have lost data that way too.

>>729661763
Windows does the same fucking thing with admin privilege? Brother what the fuck are you smoking I use it daily and I don't have to use terminal if I chose not to. There is a GUI available for literally everything you could need.

>muh linux has no apps
you're just straight up lying. There are a trillion OSS and free alternatives. The only way this is true is that certain apps don't have a linux alternative (Which you can use Wine for), but that's no different than the MacOS ecosystem vs. Windows. What specific apps can't you use on linux? I was upset Ableton isn't natively supported but I managed to get it to work as well as explore alternatives.
>Gaming
Literally the most popular and widely used gaming platform is actively developing its own Linux distro. The only games that don't work are the ones that want to install a rootkit on your PC.
>Office work
What, like spreadsheets and Word processors? MS is converting everything to a cloud app, a bunch of other companies have cloud app alternatives because the future is inherently webapp driven. If you don't like that, LibreOffice does the same fucking thing and you can even export in MS file formats.
>Multimedia (Other)
name some
>Video Editing
Blender, OBS, etc.
>Music Production
It's all the fucking same thing, are you mad you can't run Logic as well?

You're complaining that the proprietary ecosystem you know isn't available outside. That's not an argument, that's just you being addicted to a tool and refusing to learn alternatives.

Other work, like programming on Windows is a fucking chore. The whole time you're fighting their file and permission system instead of just doing shit. It's entirely geared toward using a GUI for everything which is inherently slower and worse.

>>729662298
so you're using a computer like a retard and blaming the computer? You literally just said it's your own fault you need guardrails to not fuck up your system. Even windows recommends doing safe-eject first. Holy shit this is your example?

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>>729662276
>Although I think you do need command line to change ownership of objects, but this is exactly the "superuser/Admin" tool you're talking about
This is NOT what I mean absolutely not, this is basic stuff people on windows you don't have to care as it's all done dynamically so I never run into a permission denied on my own FUCKING files (unless in use). I expect to change permission in the graphical environment, when shit hits the fan basic "admin" features should be done graphical more extensive stuff should be done command line wise. if locked windows nice features build in like a instant change button or something else to fix it.

>>729662780
>so you're using a computer like a retard and blaming the computer? You literally just said it's your own fault you need guardrails to not fuck up your system. Even windows recommends doing safe-eject first. Holy shit this is your example?
No, fucking retard, I told you the eject method on kde plasma does the same thing.

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>>729662878
lol

>>729662965
sorry but you sound like a fucking dipshit I can't take anything you're saying seriously.

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>>729651327
I gave that nigga a try when I was under 10yo 18 years ago and it got me by the balls really hard.

>>729663159
changing ownership is for advanced users only.
If you can't chown you are not an advanced user

ive been using it daily at work and my office pc is literally 10x smoother than my home win machine with 10x the specs. Not gonna update from 10, gonna go straight into keyboard focused desktop fucking hate clicking shit

>>729651327
Why tf would I utilise spyware to code how are you gonna play online games either? "Optimised" gaming bots? this is what everyone is trying to avoid.

>>729663284
>changing ownership is for advanced users only.
>If you can't chown you are not an advanced user
Yeah but I have tested this in admin mode inside dolphin and it doesn't give me the options either and the user is wheel.

>>729653726
I'll gladly take a performance hit if it means I don't have to use win11

>>729663159
what's the point of changing the owner when all you give a shit about is reading and writing? this is literally something that will never come up for anyone that isn't a power user to begin with

>>729663338
Win11, famously not corporate spyware

>>729663452
What are you talking about, exactly? If you're in admin mode, you can give access to any file to any user no matter who owns it.

>>729663676
>>what's the point of changing the owner when all you give a shit about is reading and writing? this is literally something that will never come up for anyone that isn't a power user to begin with
>Moving the goalpost.
This is what I mean with Windows is designed for the desktop in mind and Linux isn't.
On Windows it just fucking works If I don't have access I get a prompt(uac) if I do have access I don't get one and then I can do what ever task I need.
Linux requires me to a lot of hoopla before being able to do the same thing.
And all desktop solution have some massive problem that windows doesn't.
Too many fucking papercuts.
>They will fix it
I doubt they even dogfood their own software.

>>729664135
Which is retarded by design. On linux sudo exists to avoid breaking any semblance of security the way windows do it.

at this point anyone using win11 over loonix or win10 ltsc is either technologically illiterate or homosexual

>>729651327
No.
Because I switched to years ago.

>>729664263
>Why can't I do this thing I have no good reason to ever do and will never come up in daily use for the average user.
>In fact you can do it, I just don't want to have to type one singular command to do it
>Somehow this reason makes Windows a superior experience
Gee you sure showed him there

>>729664263
maybe you should stop imagining a bipolar user that's somehow tech illiterate and just cares for reading and writing yet needs to change the ownership and can't be bothered following a few terminal commands

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>>729664281
>windows
>security
Copilot, send me the screenshot of anon's bank information.

>>729664281
What the fuck are you talking about schizo? Running your file manager as admin is like using sudo. You can do the EXACT SAME THING using sudo. Sudo just happens to be a command line utility, so you'll need the command line to use it.

>>729656337
To this day Linux Mint has a security vulnerability that shows your desktop through the lock screen every time you wake it from sleep. This was first reported on github in 2018.

when people smugly admit they use troonix because they're just better than everyone, which windows version do they dual boot?

>>729664639
Looked it up and you're wrong
>>729664903
I have started taking screenshots of my desktop by hand and emailing them to the linux foundation because I miss the windows experience

>>729664284
I like when you get mad

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>try linux
>multiple distros
>microphone sounds like I'm shouting from inside a gym locker in the next room over
>audio goes crackly when gaming
>this happens on every distro
>switch back to Windows

>>729664903
https://youtu.be/DXUlaSYTLQI

>>729665016
>Looked it up and you're wrong
https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/4324
Shit, you're right it was reported in 2015. A literal decade of development and the bug still persists. Fucking hilarious.

Why do people act like Linux is hard when Mint does everything Windows does but better and you can just press play on Steam and all games work except some few anti-cheat ones.

>>729665668
True, they should fix that, I found workarounds posted but the core problem is not good, I don't use Mint however.

You really don't want to go shot for shot in "security vulnerabilities" when comparing linux (really just a single DE's poor implementation in this case, not linux as a whole) to Windows, but I know you're being disingenuous here really reaching for arguments.

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>>729651327
the 3rd troonix thread in 2 days, did something happen

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>>729666538
times are changing

>>729666209
I use Mint. I'm just breaking your balls. I'd really like for the bug to get fixed, though.

>>729662276
>Arch user tier weird.
NTA. Arch is about the only distro that ships as true clean slate. If you have an issue on Arch, and it's not related to a borked rolling update of the kernel, it's a (You)ser problem.
>>729662878
You're a prime example of (You)ser problem. You didn't set up your system properly and you're too lazy to look for and implement a solution.

>>729667302
I know that, but if you're an Arch user you probably fuck your shit up. It is not all set up for you from the box either so having weird ownership setups is not unusual. Specially when you use software that uses their own user accounts such as deluged, httpd or samba.

>>729665801
>Mint does everything Windows does
Doesn't mint still default to X11?
Mixed refresh stuttering
No multi display VRR
No HDR
No fractional scaling
Mint is a joke distro for hipsters who don't want to use Windows and also don't want to use something normal like Ubuntu / Fedora / Arch

>>729651327
I haven't been 14 for 31 years, so no.
I'm also nowhere near 400lbs, so the installer will fail on the weight check.

>>729667607
good that you managed to pass the brown skin check when getting windows then

>>729651327
Been using it for about 2 years. Few hangups had here and there a few times but overall not bad.
>>729665801
>Why do people act like Linux is hard when Mint
Because they dont install Mint or even stablished distros and go for a tinkerfag one or something like peepeepoopooOS or some other barely maintained meme distro

>>729667693
Doesn't linux have something like a 15% marketshare in India?
>brahmin are white
I bet.

>>729654606
>supporting the inferior product
Yeah, I don't think that's my job.

>>729667559
>It is not all set up for you from the box either so having weird ownership setups is not unusual.
Yes, you're supposed to actually take your time and fo right once, instead fast and wrong a dozen times. Using Arch has nothing to do with "elitism" or w/e, it just filters the impatient, lazy and illiterate. I'd argue that an otherwise tech-illiterate senior is more likely to properly set up Arch by just following one of the bajillion guides, than some terminally online zoomer with a non-existent attention span.

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>>729668213
the only source that ever claimed that also claims that jeets don't have computers and their data is garbage with nonsensical fluctuations
54% of their data is UNKNOWN

>>729668213
oh wow, what is the other 85%?

>>729651572
I've been using Linux as a daily driver since 2022 and I have no such problems, although, that's probably because I use Fedora KDE since its upstream from Red Hat with none of the current Gome specific headaches in Wayland and I actually sat down and did some research into what hardware was supported on Linux and which Distros were the most stable with what I had.

I've had less problems with Fedora than I've had with 11 as of late since I'm still forced to use 11 for work thanks to my bosses gay ass monitoring software that doesn't work on Linux (thank god). I've even had a few tech interested coworkers ask me about Linux during lunch since a lot of them have been cursed with Linux videos in their algorithms so they are now, all at once, interested in their own privacy and software autonomy for the first time ever.

i just tried cinnamon
it's so fucking ugly compared to kde and it functions like glorified xfce

My steam deck should be fixed by then so yeah

>>729668774
Yes, but everyone uses Windows. When there's a disproportionately large market share in India for anything like, say, shitting on the street; it shows it's inferior to the proper American way of doing things.
>>729668758
54% is also linux, but they have enough sense to be ashamed of it.

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>>729668651
It's ok, you don't have to teach me Arch.

>>729669063
>54% is also linux, but they have enough sense to be ashamed of it.
and your source of that is? guessing?
jeets don't have computers
fucking ukrainians have 2x the steam traffic of the jeetland

The issue I have with linux is that I spend a lot of time trying to get shit done that isn't fucking enjoying my time.
So I'm like "how can I tweak this, how can I get this particular thing to work, how can I ensure I have no problems here" where on Windows I'm usually careless. I know it sucks dick so I don't even bother anymore.
Having 40 billion different distros doesn't help. I use a different distro, something I'm used to get working doesn't work, and there go another 3 to 6 hours trying to figure out why and what is so different. Fedora is probably the distro I hate the most for doing this several times. Having me assume that I can get things running everywhere and suddenly this specimen comes up and acts like I have all the time in the world to figure out why and how I'm restricted from applying a certain fix I actually need because my hardware is not dead standard, on the basis that it's insecure, or something.

>>729669063
54% of India's GDP is providing tech support for Windows users

>>729654643
>if I wasn't so lazy run games through a VM on there
You don't have to do any of that as long as you have the following on your distro of choice:
>Steam
>Bottles or Lutrix

With any of these you just follow the instructions the program feeds you, add the the desired .exe to the list of games in the program and it just werks most of the time, even better if most of your library is on Steam since if that is the case it's literally just:
>Steam>Settings>Compatibility>Enable "Steam Play" for all titles
>Press install on desired game in your Steam library
>Wait for it do to its first time fuckery after installing
>Play

The only games that don't work nowadays are games with Kernel level anti-cheat and games with weird windows DLL fuckery, the rest literally JUST WERKS

>>729669260
You could just ask some more experienced user instead of trying to figure everything out yourself.
I found the Linux experience to be every bit as easy as Windows. I don't use Fedora though. Fedora does some corporate crap which isn't necessarily gonna be fun for you as a home user. Such as SELinux. The thing that makes Linux easy is that it's fairly trivial to figure out the cause of various issues. On Windows that is a very difficult process by comparison.

It really helps if you actually know what is going on instead of having to guess.

>>729669260
I would pay money to watch you use your computer for a day

>>729664263
>I have a grudge because of some obscure scenario
desu I kind of sympathize because I got into a situation which was sort of the reverse of this. I had a disk start failing on me which held an old windows install. I wanted to copy files off of it but windows refused because the files were owned by a different user (me from the old install) and it offered to "fix it", which started recursively changing ownership of all files on the disk (!!)
Thankfully this didn't kill the drive but it scared the shit out of me. After aborting it I tried to run explorer as admin to browse the drive but apparently this is impossible. So in the end, I figured it out
I ran Notepad as administrator, brought up the open dialog and used it to browse the drive and copy files out
Sometimes you have to do weird shit on an OS but nothing has beaten that for me

>>729654606
AMD is owned by Jensen's cousin.

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Been on linux for almost a year now, its pretty cool, but I do have a few minor complaints
>random esoteric applications used for modding/homebrew/random shit are almost always windows exclusive and rarely ever work well with wine
>there is intentional scattering of install locations for almost everything, making it hard to figure out where certain things have actually been installed. this is supposed to be a security feature, and I get why it is, but its a bit annoying as a user
>the back end for sound is a bit of a mess and doesnt work nearly as cleanly as windows does with voicemeter banana, and there is no linux equivalent of VC banana at all

Other than that everything is fucking great. I am in complete control of my hardware and even software (sometimes to my own detriment if I fuck up something), there is absolutely nothing unwanted or invasive on my system like telemetry or ads, all of my games work (i dont play multiplayer slop), and the customizability is really fucking cool. Oh and, everything just feels faster. Every application or window I open is just WAY more responsive than it is with windows 10/11.

I still dual boot because occasionally there are windows only applications that I need to use that I cannot for the life of me get working with wine, but if it wasnt for that I would use linux and only linux forever because holy shit is it night and day compared to windows.

>>729670156
AMD is a public company, Lisa Su is the CEO of AMD not the owner of it.

>>729651327
No. While I likely am autistic, it's not to the point where I throw fits when my chicken touches the mashed potatoes or allows me to identify steam locomotives by sound alone.

>>729664639
I started out with Mint and I'm fucking glad that I left it behind and jumped to Fedora. Most of the problems I had as a virgin Linux user was mostly thanks to Mint and the plethora of dumb decisions they have made over the years, don't get me wrong, it worked well enough for the first 4 months that I used it and I still recommend it to other newbies because at least its better than Ubuntu, but as soon as you've got a taste for Linux you should jump ship to a better maintained distro ASAP.

>>729670501
Mint is actually a well maintained distro, they backport drivers and stuff like that which makes newer hardware compatibility way better than say for example Ubuntu or PopOS or Debian.
That doesn't mean they haven't made really dumb decisions on how to set it up though.. but yeah. For example Mint supported my wifi 7 card just like Arch did whereas Ubuntu did not.

>>729670501
>Fedora
What's the point? May as well install a Microjeet OS. Or do you somehow believe that IBM isn't the same corporate shit as Microjeet?

>>729669214
>jeets don't have computers
Explain threads for linux, AMD, GOG, E33, Dispatch, AC Shadows, and gacha.

>>729670139
>Sometimes you have to do weird shit on an OS but nothing has beaten that for me
One time a GPU driver update somehow killed USB access for Windows so I had to get a PS/2 mouse and spend eons googling random shit to find that I needed to go into the registry and delete or modify some settings for the USB root hub I think, which was extremely similar but different to another solution that saturated my search results which didn't work.

One thing I'll say for Linux is that when I run into issues, I have an infinitely easier time finding results for the EXACT problem I'm looking at instead of thousands of copy-paste articles for (sometimes unrelated) issues that parrot the same solution that doesn't work or vapid and uninformative forum threads with no solutions whatsoever.

Sidenote - My favorite bullshit problem I run into on Windows is when a program won't run or install properly unless you're doing it to/from the C:\ drive (which may be an issue with the programmer themselves but is systemic of the way Microsoft does things). Shit like this is why IT support is half jedi voodoo magic. Knowing when to try random shit that shouldn't ever work and having it be the solution.

>>729654643
>is there really a 20% performance penalty?
Yes. Some of the replies are misunderstanding. There is a up 20% performance penalty for D3D12 games on Nvidia. Which means most new games.
The issue has been identified, but the fix will take more than just a driver update. It probably won't get fixed for at least another year.

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>>729651327
I tried it but went back to Windows for these reasons:

>My Logitech G600 mouse didn't fully function (The third mouse button didn't work)
>Dx12 (Mostly UE5) games run worse on Linux to a noticeable degree (Nvidia GPU)
>Linux doesn't handle resolutions higher than 1440p well

>>729671246
>Linux doesn't handle resolutions higher than 1440p well
Says it's Nvidia issue, not Linux issue. Linux issues could be fixed, nvidia issues cannot be fixed.

>>729670235
>>there is intentional scattering of install locations for almost everything, making it hard to figure out where certain things have actually been installed. this is supposed to be a security feature, and I get why it is, but its a bit annoying as a user
That's in 9/10 cases just retarded hard coded paths and can be circumvented by adding appropriate launch options and either forcing the prefix into a path or symlinking it.

>>729670705
Yeah, I still think Mint does well for people that literally only use their PCs to browse the web or play vidya on Steam or through emulators but as soon as you want to do a little bit more than that you'll quickly fall down the rabbithole of poorly documented changes that Mint has implemented or Mint specific issues that seeming change solution every major release. Fedora has its own problems, but it has been out of the way enough and well documented enough for me to just look it up in their docks and then get it done within an hour of finding out how to fix it on my own.

The worst part about Fedora was getting codecs to play nicely with it since almost all of them comes broken through their package manager of choice but since their 42 release it just started working again and now Flatpaks actually have functional codecs on their own.

>>729670717
Sure, but at least I can just stop them from phoning home with no artificial problems created on my end for going trough the trouble of doing that, especially since they more or less just repackage all of their stuff from the open source community with a little spin placed on for their enterprise users. They aren't without fault, for sure, but I'm damn glad that they aren't Microsoft at the very least and that they can actually create a functional OS.

>>729671449
From a user perspective, that doesn't change anything.
In truth, I'm unwilling to drop $600+ on a new GPU just to get away from Windows.
Therefore, I am unable to commit to Linux and must stick to Windows until the Nvidia issues are resolved by either the Linux community or Nvidia themselves.

This does mean I am more likely to go full AMD if I ever build a new PC, but for now I am stuck with Windows.

>>729669721
I do, the problem is oftentimes the shit I do somehow sounds alien or self inflicted or "you bought the wrong hardware" or "works for me" and that's where it ends. I end up having to figure stuff up on my own more often than not. Sometimes I actually don't manage to figure it out, which is the reason I end up doing this nonsensical hopping.
I'll admit SELinux might have brought issues I wasn't expecting to have. I do not know if that's the case, that's the problem. In some cases I have no indication that if I somehow switched to AppArmor (I know openSUSE lets you choose for instance) everything would work just fine or if it's something else.

A concrete example of this that /vg/ decided wasn't worth the attention:
>Have esoteric, weird, but really really really really good recently released gamepad
>Doesn't work initially, goes into some safe mode once plugged in
>Get it working on Cachy because the Arch wiki has this problem documented for similar controllers
>Use said fix which I assume it's not just something available on Arch alone (usbcore and certain kernel modules including xpad)
>Try it on Fedora
>Even trying to load a bunch of modules manually or automatically through .cfg files on /etc/modules-load.d
>Can't get it to work time after time after time, dmesg shows evidence of this
>Try it on openSUSE (with SELinux enabled and even set to enforcing, if I read the defaults right) for kicks, it works, but with the caveat that I must add xpad to the list of automatically loaded modules
I have 3 different results here. I cannot tell where the thing that I'm doing wrong on Fedora is. And something compels me to figure it the fuck out, but I'm not going to follow the advice of "buy yourself something else" when generally the outcome is it does work, just not with X distro with X defaults under X conditions.

>>729671246
>My Logitech G600 mouse didn't fully function (The third mouse button didn't work)
You can use Piper for that, it works better than logitechs toolset.
>nvidia
Well, shouldn't have bought crippleware.
>Linux doesn't handle resolutions higher than 1440p well
Anon...

>>729651327
nope
tired of messing with random troon's libraries to make my games work
and it's a 50/50 shot whether those libraries are even properly maintained and fulfill their original purpose anyway
also
>ask for help
>beards respond with irritation
I've seen too many examples to waste my time with it myself
so until linux stop being fake and gay I'll have to stay with these fucking pajeetwares

>>729671769
>You can use Piper for that, it works better than logitechs toolset.
It doesn't. I tried it but it would regularly glitch out on me and cause the button to appear held down when released.

>Well, shouldn't have bought crippleware.
If it works well on Windows, all this attitude does is push more people not to try Linux.

>>729654515
cachyos is just arch with a sane installer and out of box configuration
if you are already running arch and got a grip on it there is nothing cachyos provides over it

>>729670787
is this really the best way you could conceive to prolong this?

>>729671770
>install steam
>download game
>it just works

>>729671246
I honestly believe, in the case of nvidia drivers on linux, that they have a legitimate issue with anything that requires high bandwidth. Whether it's high refresh rate, bpc or resolution.
In my case, I'm limited to 1440p, but I have a 360hz monitor. That sort of bandwidth requires DSC. I don't think nvidia handles DSC over linux well. VRR breaks with such high refresh rate. Initially I thought "well maybe HDMI 2.1 is doomed on linux, and nvidia is just pretending to support it to have an advantage over AMD, but in fact it barely fucking works". But the thing is, displayport fails the same way.

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>>729651327
Man. Right before the prices blew up, I built a system with a 5090(still pretty expensive even ), 9950x3d cpu, and 96gb ram. I want switch to Linux, I really do. But I do NOT want to fuck this system up. I'll stick with linux VMs and ancient reformatted laptops running arch xfce I guess.

>>729671613
Yeah, my next build is going to be a fully AMD system for sure, I'll gladly take a 30%-50% performance hit vs the best NVIDIA card for sure since my system will end up being cheaper anyway (and better than Intel in every way) and I'll finally be completely free from Windows since I've been avoiding kernel level fuckery like the plague.

I'm still holding out hope for the Gabecube, if its under 800 bucks I'll just bite the bullet and buy one of those instead since there hasn't been a single release in the last 3 years that I want to play that can't be played decently on my Deck anyway. I'd gladly just take being able to play those same games at 1080p 60fps, nothing more and nothing less.

>>729671768
You're comparing an integral open-source distro (Arch) to propietary distro and a fork. Arch is the cleanest distro you can run and whatever you learn while using it is usually applicable to all distros that don't layers upon layers of random garbage to isolate themselves or limit user access.

>>729671906
My penis is prolonged. Yours is amateurshorted.

>>729672137
If anyone ever makes a 1080p OLED or MiniLED monitor, I'd probably return to 1080p and never leave.
Until then I don't think I'd be satisfied with the performance of the Cube on my 1440p screen.

>>729672218
Once I feel comfortable enough with Linux I'll probably try my hand and installing Arch from scratch for no other reason than to learn more about it and maybe (finally) getting rid of all these weird distro specific issues.

>>729671613
No, it does change something. If there's a serious showstopping issue with Linux, you can typically see it fixed within a week. From an user experience standpoint, having an issue fixed fast is very strongly preferable.
If there's an issue with nvidia, however, it will probably not be fixed in 10 years. That is highly not preferable. I'm not saying that this will help you, but that distinction is important because at least you can figure out how likely this issue is going to affect you 1 month in the future... or 10 years in the future as the case may be.

>>729671768
Yeah you're doing something very difficult on Fedora, translating Arch setup to Fedora isn't a trivial matter because these are extremely different distros. Learning to set up Arch to a point where it offers analogous functionality to Fedora is far easier than learning Linux to a degree where you can easily do what you're describing and translating some instructions meant for Arch to apply to Fedora. I honestly think you'd have a far more enjoyable experience just using Arch lol
Or EndeavourOS if you're really allergic to setting your shit up in tty.

I also tried Fedora back in the day to see what it was like, I enjoyed many things about the setup but it was really difficult to use compared to Arch because it's very hard to understand how the fuck it's set up.

>>729671893
>It doesn't. I tried it but it would regularly glitch out on me and cause the button to appear held down when released.
All custom mapping is considered a macro and can be micromanaged with advanced settings.
>If it works well on Windows, all this attitude does is push more people not to try Linux.
That's on Nvidia, not Linux. Just like Nvidia incentivizes developers to skip optimization and inflate hardware requirements to sell its crippleware by proxy, Microsoft incentivizes exclusivity among its corporate partners.

>>729651327
No im not a troon

changed to Mint in July, the change was so seamless from W10 that sometimes I forget I am using linux.
Only thing I really hate is how the middle mouse button don't activate the page scroll function on browsers like windows had.

>>729668758
Why does it look like a thick penis in the thumbnail?

>>729672218
In essence sure, but I feel that understanding what the fuck is going on behind this process, it would make the choice of distro largely irrelevant. I keep hearing from... geniuses, that all distros are the fucking same and that technically you could get anything done anywhere.

>>729672527
I'll never understand why Arch has this weird reputation of being difficult to setup and use, let alone the weird elitism. The only meaningful difference is that you're required to prepare the installation and learn the basics. It's basically compareable to single payment (Arch) vs installment+interest -- Arch is generally easier to troubleshoot than other distris, too, because its extremely well-documented and neither involves esoteric or arbitary proprietary bullshit.

>>729672538
Not him but unfortunately I like to play around with AI slop which makes AMD a hard choice to make as well. From what I've heard, ROCM/HIP is an even more grim picture than using nvidia on linux in terms of jank. And at least with games, there are a lot of old games that don't need the highest performance, but good AI models are always heavy.
There's no good solution right now for this, I guess the best would be windows/nvidia but even that has its problems like the win11 humiliation ritual or how nvidia drivers added that stupid feature to spill vram to ram, although at least they are responsive to windows users complaints and let you disable it

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>>729672635
>Only thing I really hate is how the middle mouse button don't activate the page scroll function on browsers like windows had.
Yeah you gotta enable that in the settings on most browsers. X11 does this thing where anything you highlight, it copies to some place separate from the clipboard and middle click pastes from that pool. I think there's an option in Firefox to disable that but nothing at a deeper level.

Some faggots don't see this as something a sane person would want changed because "it's so convenient!!" but don't understand that automatically copying things you highlight and having its paste bound to a mouse button that people frequently use to scroll fields and webpages is like waving around a gun with no safety that is ALWAYS loaded. One of the most common things to do with highlighted text is DELETE it, I don't want that shit sitting around for me to accidentally drop it somewhere.

Shit was spooky when I come back to a page and see something I typed or was looking at hours ago staring me in the face, waiting to be sent and I had no idea why.

>>729673043
AMD for AI may be grim, but it's not as grim on Linux as it is on Windows.
The best choice by the way would be AMD card for gaming and desktop use with a nvidia card for AI on Linux lmao. You don't even need to install the garbage nvidia graphics driver to use it for AI I think. The stuff needed from AI is separate from the graphics driver if I remember correctly.

>>729673043
The one thing I had trouble with on AMD on linux that nvidia had working properly is hardware acceleration (openCL) on the Affinity V2/V3.
Some people may have considered, to avoid alternatives like GIMP or Krita or Inkscape, using the Affinity suite which is now free. There's a script by a fat gay youtuber that works fairly ok on nvidia, but doesn't work well on AMD and you're stuck with something sluggish.
I noticed this when I switched to AMD to get rid of a plethora of other issues and I was disappointed.

>>729672992
The reason why Arch has its reputations is precisely because you need to know about everything in advance to set up a fully functional and safe OS. If you forget or fail to setup your firewall properly your just asking to get pwnd for example, even though it's easy and can be done with a guide, the fact that the stakes are that high scares even a moderately willing user out of doing it.

>>729672680
>all distros are the fucking same and that technically you could get anything done anywhere.
Technically yes, but practically the differences between distros can be quite vast -- to the point that you'll be tardwrangling just as much bloat and artifical barriers on some distros, as you'd on windows. On Arch you build from the ground up, instead of sideways into, beneath or over mazes of spaghetti and archeotech code.

>>729651327
No

>>729672527
Personally I never bothered with the from-scratch stuff because honestly configuring shit is just boring for me but I don't think it's bad if you just wanna learn how it all works. Just do it inside a VM so you can fuck up as much as you want.

>>729672992
I run ROCM on the Strix Halo platform, admittedly it is a fucking annoying process and looks more like a side project than a serious competitor to CUDA, but I can still run LLMs and Image Gen pretty seamlessly, they have a toolkit called Lemonade that packages LLMs nicely, plug that server into OpenWebUI and I get a personal chatgpt-adjacent experience. ComfyUI also is piss easy to install and run, I just set up config scripts to update my ROCM stuff from their upstream once I confirm they didn't push something that just breaks it all.

I don't think the ROCM shit is even used for graphics, you can use MESA and get a pretty painless experience
>>729673409
>Arch you build from the ground up
This isn't even true, there are a billion arch derivatives and the only reason you would install it by yourself is to learn it. EndeavourOS solves the headache of getting an arch system up and running fast.

windows ltsc on my (nvidiot) gaming pc and obv linux on my steam deck. im getting a gabe cube hopefully next year if the price isnt horrible

>>729673891
forgot to add in i ran arch for a while but i play some anticheat slop on occasion and just switched back to a barebones windows install. if ltsc and hacks didnt exist id prolly just deal with it

Hell yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF1RVz4YSeQ

>>729674014
how are people installing LTSC? Does MassGrave still work?

>>729651572
On Linux, in the past I had problems due to bugs. All of them were solvable and most of them were solved via updates. With no hassle or input from my side. When I'm unhappy with my UX, I look up what I can do. I spend a couple minutes, try out some changes and it's done.
On Windows, which I am forced to use for work, I constantly have problems. I do not have even some of the most basic options for UX adaptions. Some stuff I can fix with PowerToys. For most stuff, there's shady software at best. Most of the time, there's nothing. The microsoft suggestion boards are full with most basic requests for simple and modern UX improvements.
From your perspective, I might seem spoiled by Linux. From my perspective, it's ridiculous what bullshit Windows users have to suffer. Even more, if you consider that Windows has a price tag in the professional market.
That's all I will say on this. I wlll not elaborate. If you're not trolling, look it up yourself.
>And you realize how much better windows is developed for the desktop.
Utterly ridiculous take.

>>729673764
>EndeavourOS solves the headache of getting an arch system up and running fast.
I was gonna say that.
2-3 years ago I used to run EOS. It was barely different from Arch already set up. It added a couple of things and a different logo. Some people use Arch not to learn about a lot of things, they just had bad experiences with other distros, maybe because said distros do have certain modifications by default. EOS is mostly clean and still allows for practically anything on the Arch wiki to apply if there's ever a need.
Many people switching to Linux aren't chasing the "customization" aspect, they want to get something running fast because maybe that's their only computer, and they don't want to touch Windows anymore if possible. So if it takes them a long time with an extensive guide on how to do something as basic as partitioning, it can be a problem.
archinstall was designed to remediate this for Arch users that don't follow this certain philosophy, but it was fairly buggy and I never had a successful install with it. I had much better luck with EOS.

>>729674176
last time i used it, yeah. i still had an iso on a usb sitting around though.

>>729673383
Everything you have to learn for Arch, you'll eventually have to learn for other distros. As to safety: the worst barebone Arch installation is still more secure than your average Windows installation, even if more and more faggots start developing malware for Linux. I'm certain that 8/10 people running Windows rely on its pityful firewall, have not closed a single port (let alone know how to) and regularly invite malware by visting dubioua sites. The best defense against malware will always be common sense anyways.

Most distros, short of SEL-implementations that are specificially designed for related fields, provide the same illusion of security as Windows. Which is admittedly enough, unless you're corporate, indulge hacking or becomes person of interest (e.g.: politixal activists or w/e). Targetted attacks on average joes, that exploit technical vulnerabilities, aren't worth it: it's easier to just phish, bruteforce inadequate passwords and otherwise tradtionally scam them.

>>729672635
I remember going down a whole rabbit hole trying to figure out why the scrolling speed on webpages was excruciatingly slow with zero acceleration, only to find out it's yet another "X11 / GTK does it this way" issue. There were even workaround extensions but all they could do was make it ultra sensitive and equally unusable.

>>729674176
Is there even a difference between LTSC and regular win10? OS level security holes are a meme for the home user and if anything really bad gets out I bet MS will patch it anyway.
The real issue with win10 will be things like support from new hardware, drivers, steam, etc. LTSC doesn't do anything for that.

>>729651327
Been on Slackware for a year or two now.
It's alright.

>>729674431
>X11
Wayland fixes this

>>729674553
Wayland fixes nothing
Wayland is for retarded faggots, by retarded faggots

>>729674490
is this talking about linux itself as a whole or a specific distro?
because the whole point of linux is not having a centralized way so people can deal with it on their own for their specific use cases, so it is up to the distros to pick those up, which they do

>>729674598
Ok, stay on your broken protocol and slow scroll speed

>>729674598
just because you're coping with nvidia doesn't mean everyone else is

>>729673764
>This isn't even true, there are a billion arch derivatives and the only reason you would install it by yourself is to learn it.
All the forke do is supply an installation script, a customized DE and, in rare cases, esoteric optimizations. Arch is a basic distro that you can morph into whatever you want/need it to be.
>EndeavourOS solves the headache of getting an arch system up and running fast.
Anon, you could write your own installation script. Most users never do, because they set up the system and then forget about it. You may aswell can think of nine out of ten distros as crowdsourced QA.

>>729674694
>being retarded is actually a good thing!

>>729674875
If you need somebody else to tell you what DE to use it is you who is the retard

>>729674447
They won't patch win10 anymore when it goes out of service. That's what LTSC is for. Security holes are absolutely not a meme on windows.

>>729674762
Yes. I know. You're just reiterating what I said. Why would I spend time writing an install script when I get what I want from an existing one?

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I installed Mint a few years ago, played around with it for a few days and went back to Windows 10 for my day-to-day. Every now and again I'd load it up, play around, try some new things, get a little more comfortable. Then one week when I was really bored I said "fuck it" and decided I'd try to daily drive it for everything I do on Windows. Went so well I haven't looked back and eventually uninstalled Windows. The switch made me feel like a kid again exploring all the different software out there and customizing the look and feel of my computer. Made things really fun!

Always remember that if you guys are curious about Linux, interested in switching or want to confirm your hatred you can always install it to a virtual machine/second drive and fiddle with it on and off at your leisure. You don't have to try to make a giant change over night or go in with the intent of switching over.

>>729651327
I've been using it for the past 8 years. there's no going back now, everything else sucks.

>>729674875
if linux picked those up at a kernel level then you wouldn't be able to install it on small devices, why the fuck you need a DE or audio drivers if your target device doesnt need those? it also means the kernel maintainers will have to deal with those things which wastes more time fixing actual kernel bugs

>>729674919
Why isn't there just one?

>>729674387
>Many people switching to Linux aren't chasing the "customization" aspect, they want to get something running fast
That's fair enough, you don't "need" Arch. It's juet that, if you want to stick with Linux longterm, you aswell use Arch and consider it an investment. Eventually you not only have a system that does exactly what you want it to do, but you actually understand it and won't need to consult third-parties to troubleshoot (unless it concerns really esoteric things, that you may need a CS degree for...but in these cases you'd have an greater problem on semi-bkackboxed distros).

>>729675027
because different people have different ideas and different needs

>>729651327
I will once I can switch without having to compromise

>>729675027
You want to get locked with the decisions of a single developer?

>>729654606
Gamers like to burry themselves. Never feel sorry for a gamer.

>>729674930
Because depending on the level of custimization and support of a given distro, you may find yourself struggling to regress a discontinued fork back to Arch.

>>729675256
Yes. I want it to be solved.

>>729675312
okay when that becomes relevant to me then I'll do that

>>729651327
I use CachyOS. I like it. Playing games and multitasking is smoother on Linux than on windows.

>>729674951
for every glowing recommendation I find for a distro, there's an equal number of people swearing it's dog shit.

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>>729675417
Anon, since you love being locked down, I have something amazing you could try out.

I know this is something of a stupid thing nobody does but I wish lossless scaling on linux supported multiGPU

>>729651327
Yes, I'm going to continue using Linux after Wednesday.

>>729675417
it is solved, you pick what you like and if you don't care then use distro defaults
did you need someone to force you to pick one brand of food too?

I already did and it was a waste of time. I have a job and can't afford to waste days trying to fix 9000 different things that work by default on Windows but need lots of tweaks and workarounds and hacks to kinda get working on Linux.

>>729675565
that's because all software is dogshit

>>729651327
been pretty much using it exclusivly for the past 3 months. Unfortunately the old nvidia gpu I have in my laptop has some compatibility issue which prevents steam from launching, so I havent played any games for a while.

>>729675565
it's called having an opinion, yeah
distrohopping is free

>>729676153
>distrohopping is free
Not when you actually have a job and can't afford to waste days constantly reinstalling to a different system, re-configuring everything and re-installing your games and software.

>>729676412
You're a dumb little faggot NEET, though.

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>>729675662
Yes.

>>729676412
partition your hard drive and separate the OS from the root, boom all your files are there and you can switch out your OS whenever you need to.

>>729675509
It's arguably more relevant if you run the system for use-cases that involve large projects and delicate production pipelines. The great benefit of Arch is the fact that all improvements downstream are usually applicable to (or eventually incorporated in) Arch itself, without the overhead of the specific origin distro.

>>729651327
I much prefer debloated Win10, and I'll only move to Linux when Win10 ends up like Win7 currently AND if I can't debloat 11 to just function like 10.

>>729651327
Yea got my new 9060XT to finally say bye bye to Windows.

>>729676608
>Delicate production pipelines
brother I am not using my gaming laptop as an enterprise server. I do development in dedicated environments not on my home-use filesystem.

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I already do

>>729676817
Don't bother and let him LARP a little.

>>729651327
Have been for a little under a year now

It's comfy and mostly everything works

Openrgb only changes the color of my ram a third of the time
>OMG WHO CARES
I care because the default setting is the rgbt rainbow and I'd rather it be a solid color or off. I'll probably just cover the lights with electrical tape

>>729676817
>>729676859
Judging by your reading comprehension, you've made the right choice in avoiding Arch.
(>>729676608):
>It's arguably more relevant if you run the system for use-cases that involve large projects and delicate production pipelines.
>if you run the system for use-cases that involve large projects and delicate production pipelines
>if
Nigger.

>>729675690
name 3 examples

should I trade in my 4070ti super in for a 9070xt?

>>729677664
If you're using Linux? Yes. If you're using Windows? Probably not.

>>729677664
The performance hit is only in dx12 games, do what you want but the boogeyman of losing performance isnt as pronounced as you'd be lead to believe

>>729675662
>solved
>none of the de has full feature support of modern hardware
>they are all pushed in different directions and maintained by faggots that don't understand purpose of de

>>729677432
you don't know what you're talking about

>>729677909
It sounds more like youre complaining about the conpositor than the actual DE.
You can choose X11 which is rocksolid but for old shit
Or you can choose Wayland which is getting there and will be "getting there" for the next 20 years

Is there shit like msi afterburner for undervolting your gpu on linux?

>>729678647
>X11
>polls input so much that moving the mouse too much can saturate the CPU

>>729678808
lact for amd
idk about nvidia

>>729678808
LACT has a tip on how to do a semi undervolt on nvidia, but it's not like MSI afterburner unfortunately.
AMD undervolting is braindead easy and LACT has the exact same controls needed to do so, so that's another advantage AMD has over Nvidia on linux.

Been using Linux for just over 2+ years now and I will never go back to Windows. I use Arch btw.

>>729672992
Honestly if you just use archinstall all the work is done for you on install

>>729676412
You can run them off of a USB thumb drive, you fucking ape.

>>729651327
>install Linux in hopes it will make me productive because most of the slop I play wont work (Kernel Anti Cheat)
>I did not become productive
>found out my problem was pushing shit back, procrastinating, and just refreshing the same webpages over and over
well shit.

>>729681020
time to install BSD

>>729651327
I've been using it for my laptops for a few months and just installed it on my desktop (dualbooting and mint like a proper windows monkey). Laptop is all AMD so it's chill but desktop has a 3070 and I can already feel it being niggery to play some games.

Other than that Cinnamon feels like windows 7 and that's a good thing

i had a linux laptop go bye bye and im too lazy to change my windows pc over but i use my steamdeck docked alot or like a laptop when im traveling. one day ill switch my main rig over but its nvidia so maybe ill wait until that shit gets better

>>729674930
>Security holes are absolutely not a meme on windows
How would an "out of service" win10 be exploited? Assuming it's behind a router and you don't download and run random exes (which dont need root to encrypt your files btw)

>>729681905
>Cinnamon feels like windows 7
I'm a bigger fan of XFCE personally. Lots more nice skins out there for it too though you'll have to dig a bit since the best ones are old and most new ones are the most ugly and uninspired """dark""" themes or trying their hardest to look exactly like every other modern corporate dogshit design. There's a million themes out there that are trying their hardest to look like a shittier version of Windows 10/11 or MacOS.

>>729651327
been going 1 year strong

>>729682552
probably by an unpatched security vulnerability that was unknown prior to end of life? Go ahead and read the security patches sometime, it's a never ending battle.

>>729654643
If you use nvidia on linux your basically a second class citizen.

My family switched to Manjaro Linux when time was up for Windows 10 and things have been fine.

>>729683134
that's hands down the worst arch you could've picked

>>729683134
>Manjaro
unironically stop using this distro and install endeavourOS instead

>>729682552
Probably wouldn't be. Unless the vulnerability can be accessed through web browser, but that's very rare. Has happened though.

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>>729683175
We decided that it had to be Arch and Manjaro is the only one established enough with enough backing you can order laptops with it. My sister insisted that using a distro being worked on by a small team and/or has been around for less than a year is a no-no.

>>729651327
im a faggot, not enough of a faggot to use linux though.