I'm not one to usually shill for ai shit, but western voice actors are genuinely some of the most insufferable organisms to ever exist, so I wouldn't mind them being replaced by robots.Also, for picrel, isn't it a pretty retarded financial investment to start paying people to voice your characters, just because there were 9 or 10 literal whos on xitter that bitched about the ai voices?
>>729653805I'm pretty sure those developers are lying; they hired cheap actors while taking advantage of the anti-AI controversy to paint themselves as the good guys.
It's just retarded amateurs. Real voice actors have already made models of their voices that companies can license.
If vidya devs don't care about the direction their sound or art goes, then I couldn't trust them to care about how it plays or if it's a fun, quality product.It's about them proving they care about their own project / art with feasible effort. Even amateur VA-work done by a family member would be better.But no, it has to be an "owning the literal whos on twitter" thing because their broken clock is right for once.>>729654138Also, probably this.
>>729653805it's so weird how dumb our society is now. AI doesn't have any real meaning besides marketing and advertising purposes. Not a single one of you will be able to explain at the code or mathematical level what makes it different from other data analytics code that preceded it. You can't. It's pure marketing bullshit. AGI is pure science fiction. I think 99% of you have no idea what AI is at all. You just talk out of your ass constantly. So much of our art in modern western society is imitation garbage recycled shit but all you artists are so convinced you're so special and so unique. You're not. 99% of you just imitate and never create anything new at all - that's why the industry is like 40% souls like games now - cause of how UTTERLY UNIQUE AND CREATIVE YOU ALL AREfucking delusional pill head faggots
>>729654404>that's why the industry is like 40% souls like games nowThe videogame industry has been nothing but imitation since its very start. If an arcade game was popular then 90% of the titles released during the next year would be clones.
>>729654485> EVERYTHING"S THE SAME NOW AS IT ONCE WAS BRO DONT YOU KNOWno, fucking kike
Are those mixed reviews due to people protesting against AI voice and reviewbombing the game or due to the game being just mediocre?
Currently playing Rebirth and the VA in that is so fucking atrocious, I am in physical pain whenever Caith Sith or Yuffie open their fucking mouth, no idea how this shit got through development
>>729654549Yes it was. When shoot'em ups became popular almost every arcade game was a shoot'em upWhen fighting games became popular almost every arcade game became a fighting gameWhen Super Mario Bros became a hit platformers became the de-facto game for 8 and 16 bits consolesWhen Doom became a hit the industry was flooded with Doom clonesWhen Warcraft became a hit plenty of developers rushed to release their own RTS gamesYou're the ignorant one, pretending that the flood of Souls clones are a recent thing and not how things have always been.
>>729654549Man, you're a dumbass pseud lol
>>729653805>western voice actors are genuinely some of the most insufferable organisms to ever existSpoken like someone that bases their worldview on twitter
I don't want to hear Tik-Tok TTS in my vidya. Ths is shouldn't be a controversial opinion.And no, I'm not some mentally ill AI hater who lives rent-free in your head. I even paid for some random game that used AI voiced but ended up refunding not only because the game was almost Android Trash level bad but because I had to listen to some AI motherfucker going on long tangent while using the same tone and emotion no matter the situation or context.At the end of the day GOOD voice acting can be memorable and even amateur voice acting can be soulful (Mud and Blood)AI voices belong in TikTok videos
>>729653805You know you can just hire people off fiver right? You don't need to hire people whos only job is voice acting in fact I highly recommend against hiring career faggots. Just hire fucking random fuckers.
>>729654762>ths isWhat happened there, did my fingers have a stroke
>>729653805>Voice acting>Indie with no budgetThat's just asking for disaster.Just make some gibberish bullshit language and be done with it.
>>729654813>Just hire fucking random fuckers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bangt7d9vGA
>>729654907I said random fuckers not retards.
>>729654904Or don't have voice acting at all, just a few grunts and sights for gameplay events. The so-called golden age of gaming which everyone reveres had no voice acting besides said grunts and a single memorable ROUND 1 /MISSION START voiceover
>>729654657that's why every USA AAA studio is failing and all the EU and japanese ones are doing fine because of how SAME everything is. You are giant coping faggots that work at one of these studios and only do actual work for 2 hours a week
>>729654907It's so funny when redditors get red in the face and say this is preferable to ai generated voices.
>>729653805>AI isn't the right call for our community>46 reviewsLMFAO what fucking community?
>>729653805>we don't have the budget for voice actors>proceeds to spend a stupid amount of money on professionals instead of just doing it themselves or getting friends and family to do itFucking retards.
>>729655163It's a trick; they're take advantage of the AI voice acting controversy to attract customers; hell, OP probably is one of the developers using a contrarian thread to make people interested. It's like that indie western RPG that shamelessly rips-off Persona: first announced to the four winds that it would delay due to Silksong, then after the Expedtion 33 AI controversy they announced to the four winds that they won't use AI and that games shouldn't use AI. They did something else but I don't remember right now.
>>729655234>getting friends and family to do itThe localizer behind >>729654907 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccVTCGpBcdULiterally did that: hired friends and family members to dub the game. This is the result.
>>729654138That doesn't work because people atill remember you published something with AI. It's like when Jimmy Neutron invents something to save the world from something else he invented, they don't just forget he caused the problem to begin with.
>>729655069It is. That is entertaining and memorable. Tts is boring.
>>729655347>Literally did that: hired friends and family members to dub the game. This is the result.The result is shit because whoever was too retarded to listen to that and go "this is shit", lots of games have just used the devs, friends, family etc for voice acting. Indie slop with less than a 100 reviews doesn't need professional voice acting, it just needs good enough with a bit of indie charm.
If I ever had to get voice actors for a game I would irish or british small time theater actors, like demon souls. However if it's a solo dev project I see absolutely nothing wrong with ai voices as long as it fits the context of the game and doesn't sound jank. Ie if the only npcs in your game are cyborgs it makes sense to use AI voice acting. Using discord tranny anime voice actors is worse than AI.
>>729654310You speak as if you've tried the product. I understand a stance against AI on principle but when you discuss quality and cohesion in the game that's subjective and boils down to if it looks/sounds good, so I hope you did try it and actually created an informed opinion before saying this.
>>729653805https://youtu.be/3exkOxSFNg8The voice acting and animations in this game is great for its time, there's nothing that compares to it.
>>729653805just do the voices yourself
>>729655347>we can't do it because of one shit exampleAs far as I know the dub for Dust Elysian Tail was done by friends of the dev without much (if any) VA experience and the voice acting is decent.There are games where voice acting got done by community members like Mud and Blood or Easy Red 2 and it's pretty decent there too>>729655758And what he said. Dubs like these are bad because of no quality control and "eh who cares" attitude.Most AI supporters have a open "I don't really care, good enough" attitude.
>>729653805Maybe instead of worrying about voice acting they should make the game itself not fucking shit?
>>729654907>>729655347It's not hard to be at least competent in voice acting, but voice direction is a huge component that doesn't get enough attention nor flak. A voice director's job is to give the actors direction so that they don't sound like they're blandly reading a script or emoting like a cardboard cutout. If one or two voice actors sound bad, it's probably a shitty actor. If EVERYONE sounds bad (like in these video links), I guarantee that's on the director. But nobody ever brings up the director because at the end of the day they don't see or even know about the director. All they hear is the voice actor giving a shitty performance so the blame immediately falls on them.
>>729655782This. I am a mid-ranged man with a big mouth, I can voice half my own game. I just don't want to work with people flat out. I understand a lot of workflow frontends like ComfyUI can allow you to set specific parameters for the outputs, and to me that looks and sounds similar to using FL Studio for music instead of recording instruments; I use the composition software to make music because I want to make music without actually having learned the instrument, and while this is an acceptable stance today, I feel as if the same anti-AI people would similarly oppose that some 10-15 years ago. I get that many think I'm rolling a slot machine with input promts for my output, but at some point tweaking and regenning really does emulate things like photoshop or digital composition- artificially constructed, yes, but a human is behind the wheel making desicions based on a vision.
>>729656030I played the demo on one of the Steam fests and it was a way, way shittier Metal Gear Solid (it played way worse than the first MGS, which was a very rough game).
PAY VOICE ACTORS WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING WORTH!
>pol tard wants ai voices to own le libs>Isn't even aware of the ram ai crisis >Will have to play games on the cloud like a good hoyKek. Pol tards really are willing to shoot their face off just to own some literal who's on twitter.
>>729655914>>729656040Or you can simply not have voice acting? At the end of the day it's something games don't need and did very well for two decades without it.
>>729655914>Most AI supporters have a open "I don't really care, good enough" attitude.Anecdotal. I agree those people exist as do artists not using AI. I highly doubt you can show statistics to prove that all AI users are like this; the ones who do their projects well and use either a combination of AI and trad methods or use AI in very fine and well constructed way slipnunder the radar as false negatives.
>>729656156Nigga if you gaming on the cloud you got more issues than politics.
>>729656225>uhhhh, your argument is anecdotal, but my opinion is FACTShow me even ONE example of someone using AI “well” to what your standards are.
>>729656289Burden of proof is on your initial claim, friend. My statement is not absolute, it agknowladges multiple groups instead of lumping all as one generalized statement.
>>729655787No, you'd be right in assuming I didn't play it, and that's my bad, but I didn't say it was automatically a bad game, but that I'd just have low expectations of an already derivative-looking game.There's just too many video games nowadays, and that's just part of my way of choosing the right ones to play. If they care, I care.
>>729656171This I agreeGames without VA are even more fun for imaginationCHADS because you can just imagine the voices for all the characters
>>729653805Shitty random voice actors are preferable to AI voices
>Eating slop to spite people you dislikeYou're still eating slop, man. It's a self-own.Look, I don't even give that much a shit about voice acting of all things, but I will still never pay my money on any game that uses it. Why? Because I know this is how the frog gets boiled. And I don't want to be a part of it. This slippery slope is real. I'm not falling for divide and conquer tactics by the JewJeet alliance to have everything become slop. That will be on you faggots.AI is literally a cult for low quality.Anyways, why did these devs even need to have voice acting to begin with? Slop or non-slop?
https://youtu.be/JrAMJ7grdvUSome things need voice acting in today.
>>729657092>I will still never pay my money on any gameBut saar...you are not having any of the monies.
>>729655701>That doesn't work because people atill remember you published something with AI.Worked out for the french
>>729654762AI voice acting is getting better, it will surpass human voice acting soon enough just like it surpassed human music.
>>729657092this might be the stupidest biggest retard nigger twatter cap i have seen all year.
I don't want voice acting in games to begin with.
>>729656289Everyone praised the music in my game and no one noticed it was AI. Naturally I'm not telling you what it is but here's a track that didn't make the cut: https://vocaroo.com/1jXHuq6PVxyn
>>729657425Or they could just not frame their fucking cutscenes where the lack of voice acting is really fucking apparent.Modern Pokemon games are shit. Lack of voice acting is not one of the reasons for it.
>>729653805I started hating internet voice actors back in the Skullgirls days when a bunch of fucking nobodies would post their unsolicited demo reels on Twitter unofficially auditioning for upcoming characters during the DLC polls and would have mental breakdowns when they got ignored or the characters they were auditioning for didn't even win. Absolute parasites just copying anime dub voices in their bedrooms and trying to hijack stuff people have to actually work hard to make.
>>729654138Honestly that'd be my guess. Most of the criticism I'm seeing in the reviews are directed towards shitty controls and retarded enemy AI. Also the game has procedurally generated levels which is a fucking retarded decision for a stealth game.
>>729664912>procedurally generated in a stealth gameAhahahahahaha what the hell man? There is also something extremely ironic about a game that uses proceduraly generated content shitting on AI content.
>>729653805>AI shill knows everyone hates his guts>has to try to cash in on people's disdain for westoid VA prima donnasI hate you as much as I hate UE5 jeets
>>729655010>The so-called golden age of gaming which everyone reveres had no voice acting besides said grunts and a single memorable ROUND 1 /MISSION START voiceoveryou're missing the point. you said it yourself: the landscape was drastically different since you didn't have full voiceovers, games had a much smaller scale and the overhead was much lower (as in, developers had fewer hoops to jump through and fewer considerations). if the hits of the '90s re-released today they'd be considered little more than insubstantial minigames that would be attached to a larger product. e.g. sonic the hedgehog would be considered a flash-tier game today
