So has everyone warmed up to this gem yet? I'm surprised it took so long, the game is generally quite good.
>warmed up to this gem yet
>>729656119Yes, I had a blast
>>729656119I liked it. 5 will be much better, and I'm sure they'll make 5 rather quickly, presuming they'll reuse lots of assets
>>729656325Lmao.
>>729656119What a return to form.
>>729656119Marketer thread
On the contrary, as most of the shills have given up it's clear how the prevailing opinion is middling to negative. Nintendo themselves admitted certain parts of the game were bad but they simply didn't have time to do anything better.
>>729656119yes
>>729656325>presuming they'll reuse lots of assetsI am very cautiously optimistic
>>729656119The fact that there are "people" defending this garbage game as good and even amazing just tells you everything you need to know about the modern Nintendo cultist fanbase. Standards lower than ever, mindless devotion stronger than ever
>>729656325>presuming they'll reuse lots of assetsThey will 100% reuse the desert music
>>729657323You sound like a zealot with no self awareness.
>>729656119I've done the opposite. I went in wanting to like it and even enjoyed some of the early segments despite being very flawed, but the game just got worse and worse the longer I played it.
>>729658340It was good all the way to the ice lab... no complaints. I liked Volt Forge and even the motorcycle - I thought the cycle was fun :SThen in the fire area when the female NPC starts talking I began to get annoyed. The Mines area was the absolute low point and should have been completely scrapped. It was awful dogshit. The NPCs didn't work right either, like the A.I. was bugging out.The fight against the big lava monster was cool on the Vi-O-La. Meh... The game had a good setup but it's like it's unfinished.I enjoyed the last Sylux fight, though the flying through hyperspace segment was a little weird, but in a campy way I think it fits and is cool.Prime 5 will probably fix most of the problems. I'm sure they'll release 5 just to do it right. They know they could have done better and just released an uninished product, which is odd for Nintendo
>>729656325Why do people even want to see prime 5 with how shit 4 is
BAZINGA
>>729658953Battered wives?
>>729658953Prime 4 defenders have a warped reality where they believe Retro isn't responsible for how garbage the game turned out to be. They think it's all on Bandai Namco, despite the fact that Retro took over the project 5 fucking years ago.
>>729659183How like American studios to blame their Japanese partners, not like there's a long history of doing exactly that.
>>729656325Well they already have the space pirates and the metroids, basically unused.
>>729656119We we're expecting an ambicious and cool game
>>729658953well for starters, Prime 4 is good, so,
>>729656325>5They are not touching this series again any time soon
>>729656119>Dogshit pacing>Backtracking so minimal and inconsequential the game hardly qualifies as a Metroidvania>Horrific writing and lore>Level design is an alltime low for Metroid as a whole>The bike and desert suck complete fucking assSorry bud. Game's got MASSIVE flaws.
>>729656119Frankly, the game is better than any right it has to be after going through development hell. Even without the context of the recent Tanabe interview, as soon as the trailer with the Vi-O-La and Sol Valley came out, I knew that the shitcanning of Bamco Singpore and rebooting the game with Retro was a result of Nintendo trying to ape BotW with a Metroid game - the announcement being in 2017 was just too coincidental.I would call Prime 4 just barely "good", but it's certainly not great, and is definitely disappointing. It bases itself on all the worst parts of Prime 3 and has too many half-baked concepts that are underutilized or poorly executed, not to mention Myles constantly harassing you over the radio like Navi in OoT. And yet the presentation and core gameplay is engaging enough that I was able to play through it without getting too bored (albeit extremely annoyed with most of the GF troopers, except the android).I consider this game like a splinter that needed to be pulled, it's unpleasant but necessary. Understanding why the game turned out the way it did does make me optimistic for a Prime 5. Just for the love of god, Tanabe - I know you love the GF, but if you want them in a game so bad just make another Federation Force spinoff instead of trying to shoehorn them into everything.
>>729661405Can‘t believe you retards fell for that interview that‘s just a bunch of desperate excuses made in hope that they get to keep up their ponzi scheme of a game studio
>>729660578What's funny is games like Halo 3 or Reach or 5 or Infinite get glowing reviews, but there's no actual gameplay. The whole gameplay of Halo is just a shooting gallery. Why would you ever replay that? The story in Halo after Halo:CE is also a bunch of hokey nonsense. There is nothing in the story of Halo that is memorable. It's just a bunch of writing slopI digress
>>729660578>he doesn't know
>>729657458What? Are you an actual fucking retard or are you purposely pretending to be a retard?
This was my first Metroid game and I thought it was good fun. Just needs to feel less old.
>>729662498>This was my first Metroid gamePoint immediately disregarded. Play more games you zoomer faggot
>>729662556Play plenty. Just never bothered with Metroid.
>>729662556This game did all the right things to bring in new players to Metroid. You don't need to be so angry. I think they will make 5 and use all the criticisms online to make 5 the perfect return to form. Just be less testy
>>729662438Go fuck yourself you self absorbed loser.
Shills really aren't sending their best.
>>729658953So they can fix all the problems 4 has and make a better game?
>>729662498My sentiments exactly. The worst aspects of Prime 4 are literally where it's trying too hard to tow the lines with the first game. It plays it too safe and doesn't take nearly enough risks.
>>729662728They can build on this for the sequel.
>>729662707I don't even know why they're still trying given even Nintendo has come out and said it sucks.
>>729662892Based, no one to be taken seriously likes Metroon Pozzed Whore: Beyond Parody.
>>729661761Did you miss the part where I said the interview is only confirming things I already believed about the game? Do you think it's just a coincidence that the original Prime 4 nothingburger announcement was just months after BotW was released to critical acclaim? It's clear as day it was greenlit as a BotW derivative, a direction that is fundamentally at odds with everything that people enjoy about Metroid as a series.
>>729662892I felt like I was playing Half Life 2 for most of the game. That was the vibe I got. I liked Prime 4. Dark Souls was filled with jank yet everybody says it's the best game ever. I also like Dark Souls with all the jank, and I like Prime 4 for all the issues. Same vibe. Jank or inconsistencies add character.
Weirdest thing is that they could have been quite conservative with a retread of prime 1 structure, but innovating on many game-feel aspects.For example, after mirror's edge, it should be clear that you can have an agile main character in a 1st person game, and one of MP's least flattering aspects is how tanky samus feels compared to the 2D games.Another aspect they could have massively improved upon is how weapons affect the enemies. It's quite jarring to have them flash in red after each hit instead of getting scarred by the plasma gun. Im not saying it should be doom degrees of gore, but weapons should feel impactful and satisfying, and it should be okay to portray this in a game about murdering aliens, even if nintendo is not partial about explicit violence. Its one of the most disappointing aspects of the game and one that makes it feel a lot more dated than it should.Theres probably many other things. But its so odd they saw these things and didnt think they should try and do better.
>>729662651I accept your concession you absolute faggot
>>729656325I think 5 will be better if only because it wouldn't be developed during the "open world" meme that has plague games since the 10s
>>729662892Like in Link's Awakening Remake for the Switch, you have that little fishing mini game and you get a bottle and a heart piece. Or the crane game. In MP4 you have the motorcycle tests. When those happened I felt the same feeling I felt in Link's Awakening. But ultimately that was unfinished. It could have been an entirely multiplayer Metroid racing game, or there could have been more segments with fighting on the bike. These little asides provide the same feeling Half Life 2 provided with the vehicle sections
>>729663192Open world needs to be done right, and in a Metroid game you need to get upgrades to open up new areas. Link's Awakening does the same thing
>>729662641>I think they will make 5 and use all the criticisms online to make 5 the perfect return to form.Least delusional consoomer trannoid. Unironic battered wife mentality, but stated outright. Actually kind of sad, it's like seeing a dude come back from overseas and you don't have the heart to tell him his girl's been fucking around on him, but he has absolute faith in her that she stayed loyal.
>>729663034im not sure where are people getting that retro had to work with what bandai namco left them. Nintendo said explicitly that retro started the project from scratch, and theres nothing in the interview that says otherwise.
>>729658953It’s Halo 4 all over again
Game was such a commercial failure that it didn't even manage to sell a million copies yet. People have been hyping up this woke slop for 8 years, just to see it miserably fail. I'm glad we'll never see an american Metroid game again
>>729663510Bro. Just saying. I didn't play Metroid Dread and I didn't buy Metroid Prime Remastered. Releasing this game probably caused more sales for other Metroid titles. Nintendo will release another Metroid game, and Prime 5 is highly likely, and Retro will be able to reuse assets to make the game better. Keep the faith, friend
>>729663117I've always felt that Doom 2016 is the direction they should take Prime games. Have Samus be very mobile, able to dart around, chain together lock ons and attacks, able to walljump again, multiple jumps from space jump boots, and bringing back the screw attack for a late game reward fitting up feeling invincible and cleaning up all the collectibles. There's nothing wrong with experimenting with pacing, it's fine to go from cautious exploration straight to controlling an arena of enemies.
>>729660690This might be the first time I've seen minimal backtracking counted as a negative.
>>729663192Metroid is the most befitting of an open world game. It can be done, and it should be done. A half measure hubworld was the wrong choice.
>>729663742The hubworld was even a low point of Ocarina of Time.
>>729663742>Metroid is the most befitting of an open world game.What you want is fundamentally a departure from what metroid is. This game was already a departure from what metroid is and its one of the most hated parts.
>>729663689It's a FUCKING metroid game you stupid nigger. Rewarding and interesting backtracking is something this fucking game series INVENTED.
>>729663814No, what I want is a return to what Metroid started as. I also want to see what can be done in later entries in that style. You are a secondary.
>>729663914Interesting backtracking has only happened with Super Metroid.
I have Prime Remastered and Metroid Dread coming in mail ^.^I played Metroid Zero Mission through almost twice on NSOIt funHeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeee
>>729663742Are you retarded? Metroid is built around backtracking to get keys for locks, and an open world game is all about going wherever. Those are completely contradictory components of game design.
>>729663959Metroid 1 is not open world. It has a large amount of areas that are gated behind needing upgrades.
>>729663510I had no reason to be doubtful until Dread was about to release and then we saw danger haired trannies were writing for Prime 4.Unfortunately you have retards like that faggot that quoted you first who are hopelessly optimistic and try to shut down any criticism.
>is the best part of the game>hardly shows upFixing the map and cutting the handholding is a given.But if you want an interesting gimmick for the next game just split the gameplay up between him and samus exploring the same planet.
>>729656119World's number one Metroid fag said its midhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1nKnPICRHQ
>>729656119Samus is a shemale icon
>>729664076>Are you retarded? Zelda is built around backtracking to get keys for locks
>>729664131Metroid 1 is absolutely open, it can be beaten in 30 minutes with just the ice beam hidden at the start. Ridley, Kraid, Wave beam, Screw attack, so much is optional and you need not concern yourself with it. A new Metroid game could hearken back to its roots and try some fresh things too.
>>729665334They can do a lot of cool stuff if they lean into him being evil Samus. For example him becoming more powerful between boss fights could be explained by him also finding upgrades.
>>729666949>with just the ice beam>ice beamEven ignoring the argument that sequence breaks aren't the same as a game being open world. You still need to find a power up to get past the pit to enter tourian.
>>729658587Great Mines would’ve been better without the companions. It had that Xenomorph hive vibe.
>>729658587Someone higher up probably decided to just cut their losses and release Prime 4 after it clearly struggled through development so much.
>>729667023thats realistically what he should be doing.Hes a far better samus mirror that dark samus or SA-X because hes not actually a space monster under the suit. Hes another human. And his suit isn't a copy of samus', its its own design.I really hope they don't shelve him. He's a fun character he just needs some better attention.
It's slop. Its not bad, but its nothing special. 6.5/10.Remove the annoying party members, add space pirates and make starting area be in the middle of the map and it would be 7.5/10.
>Retro came out and said they know the desert was bad but had to go forward with what they had or it would have been in dev hell for who knows how long>They didnt have the staff, which everyone knew because they were still hiring people tough the entire development process>They admitted to having to ask other studios for help>Game still turned out decent despite the shitshow of said developmentI know the next one will be better.
Is 2.5 million sales realistic? What is your guess when the official numbers come out?
Just finished it this morning. Ended up really enjoying it OUTSIDE of the gem hunt.
>>729663670I dont know about the arenas, but building up samus from being clunky like in the prime games into the crazy movement options in games like that would be fitting for the series. Also the combat being more visceral would reminsce of how you become a murder machine by the end game.I just dont understand retro. There's a lot of low hanging fruit and ideas to realize after all these years.
>>729666860NTA but no it isn't, it's about getting the key in Key Dungeon, using it for every room in that dungeon (and the boss), then only ever using it again in an obligatory Key Room in the final dungeon.And after you finish Key Dungeon, the voice in your head says "The giant boulder blocking New Key Dungeon just opened, let's go to this new place you've never been to get New Key in New Key Dungeon"
>>729667656I'm guessing this, plus they wanted it out for the Switch 2 launch window.>>729667023>>729667749I liked the idea that the Lumor (or however they're spelled) think Slyux is the Chosen One at first before realizing they fucked up big time, but he still corrupted a good number of their remaining systems.It's why you had the psybot copying him and them all gunning for Samus instead of helping her.
>>729656325Just like they'll make a better BotW, pokemon, sonic, mario etc etc game next time
>>729656119I don't get what you have to gain into deluding yourself into liking a bad game. You're just getting a worse game next time, Nintendo doesn't love you
>>729656119I really really tried to like it but it just has too many problems to ignore. The empty open world is a bad design choice and if they made a way to turn off Miles I could probably get through it. It handholds the player in the worst ways possible and any time I try to explore organically I get "Uh oh, can't do that yet" which just kills any motivation for me to continue.
>>729656119Good goy
Dread 2 would have been gooder
>>729667749He’s a rogue villain which is why I like him.
>>729663689Going back to earlier areas and blast everything away while being nigh invincible compared to early game is part of the fun.
>>729667878What was Nintendo’s reasoning behind throwing Retro into the HD port/remaster mines?
>>729658587I liked how Armstrong fangirled over Samus, it's probably how Angseth would have reacted if she weren't already killed in MP2. And having Duke there made sense to keep her on a leash since Armstrong would have forced herself onto Samus if no one else was there to stop her. Plus Duke was actually useful as a combat NPC.Either way I'll agree that the fake out deaths in the mines was pointless. Maybe the intention was to force Armstrong to grow up since she always had Duke to think for her? >>729663914Always amused at people needing to use slurs to mask their own insecurities.
>>729668352Talking like a jew makes you a jew too
>>729668878To give them something to do. Which you dont need a lot of people to do. But when it comes to making, or in this case, salvaging a game, you need a hell of a lot more staff and resources. Something Retro was struggling with for most of development.
>>729668878NTA, but I'm assuming it was to get the new Retro team familiar with how Metroid Prime worked and the Switch's architecture since this would have been after the Bamco version was scrapped and around the time they had nuke the 2nd build too.
>>729668878The Harmony pitch was that bad.
>>729667289You need to do a lot of missions in GTA as well, find me someone willing to argue it's not open world.
It's okay to admit they fumbled the football. You don't have to force yourself to like it because it was a longly awaited game and is on the switch 2
>>729668602Thats another reason he's funHe's not leading a faction. He's one guy. The only reason he even has space pirates working for him in the intro of 4 is because he took control of them with his mutant metroidsThats why a game just needs to have him and samus and maybe a 3rd faction thats hostile to both like the ing in prime 2.
>>729656119The game is better on the replay when you aren't scanning as much and treat it as a standard fps game with light metroid design elements (i.e. pathing to certain rooms / locations for known upgrades). Hard mode's enemies are surprisingly less tanky than I would expect for the series (which is a positive), but maybe that's a reaction the game's enemies being tanky, overall? I don't know. Beyond doesn't do anything well enough for a fps or Metroid game that warrants your attention over something else. A score in the 70s is valid.>>729656325I think you're right, and if not, the criticism and backlash from 4 will at least influence Prime 6 if we get one.
>>729669492>because he took control of them with his mutant metroidsWhich may very well be revealed to be created / controlled with Sylux's psychic powers. I think there's credit to Sylux being another "chosen one" (found powers prior to the big teleport), and if he has a direct psychic link to the metroids, the convenient placement of them (each boss) make a lot more sense.
>>729669492>maybe a 3rd faction thats hostile to both like the ing in prime 2My fucking man right here.
>>729661405>Just for the love of god, Tanabe - I know you love the GF, but if you want them in a game so bad just make another Federation Force spinoff instead of trying to shoehorn them into everything.With the weapon kits they introduced in MP4, they could easily just make a normal FPS where you play as a regular Federation Marine. Not the chibi stuff like Federation Force though.
>>729665334>>729656325>>729667749>>729669492>>729668602343 trying to set the game's timeline past super makes it seem that Sylux stalked Samus for YEARS with no productive result until she nuked Zebes, THEN decided to attack her with like 4 metroids and a dream, T H E N imediattely jobbed and caused a catastrophic event.THEN he did NOTHING while chilling on a recovery pod. THENNNNN acquires super psychic powers and nanomachine powers to finally confront SAMUSfor like 3 minutes, then she leaves and he's stuck with the feds on a world full of feral vagina aliens and stupid green crystals.I'm pretty sure his "planning" consisted of>get stromg>find metroids>??????????????????>defeat samywhile hoarding public and private photos of Samus Aran all over his goddamn shit so hard it litters the place and he's in a constant boner/seethe mode confusion while chasing samus in space.
It's very good.
>>729669480I really do think Switch 2 hype is a big reason for so many people rabidly fighting tooth and nail for this game. But as an anon said, you know the party's over when devs are giving interviews that throw other people under the bus less than a month after release.
It's okay if you're not a Metroid fan. If you are a Metroid fan it's the worst game since Other M.
>>729670581I think Sylux's story can pay off in future games, but it fails to stick a landing in Beyond. The game barely gives us anything to work with.
>>729670581the scan of his boss fight reveals that he ran into samus in the intro by accident. Or at least it seems that way.
>>729665334>>729667749>>729669492I don’t get why people shit on this guy. The main adversary of Metroid for 20 years was a literal brain in a jar with a rotisserie chicken for a body. The only complex Metroid villain was Raven Beak.
>>729670036>is capable of apparently genetically engineering a new breed of parasitic metroids>is completely glossed overIts just miss after miss with setting him up.
>>729657458>You sound like a zealot with no self awareness.t. literal fucking retard with no reading comprehension.
idk I still had fun with it
>>729670581He was probably added into development late since he barely appears in the game.
game is straight out of 2007
>>729671956because prime 4 le bad
>>729669652The enemies were already hard on normal, so it's probably not that surprising.
>>729672045Yeah, that was bullshit. I was really intrigued with how a Metroid could fuse with other beings and parasitize them. I thought it was tied to how Metroid Prime’s core stole Samus’ Phazon Suit in Prime 1.
>>729672268In some respects, that's not a bad thing.
>>729671956Nobody tell him.
>>729663689people who dislike backtracking dont like metroid games. removing backtracking is a concession to people who will never play the series anyway
>>729668918>complaining about slurs on 4chanthe fastest way to out yourself as a shill or tourist
>>729672825You faggots need to fuck off with this narrative that Metroid explicitly relied on you going straight back through the same areas to get to something that you use one new ability on. That is NOT why Super Metroid mogs whichever your favorite game is.
>>729673195Ericdaddy, you win.
>>729673195backtracking and recontextualizing old areas with new abilities is a huge part of why super was great. not the only reason, but a big one. the absence of this game design is the biggest problem with 4 aside from the npcs and handholding.
>>729671956>RB>Complexbro how the fuck is chicken napoleon storm eagle "complex"? he impersonated a robot once? has a modicum of competence in a setting where a huge dumb screaming dragon is the commander of a terrorist PMC spanning the whole galaxy?
>>729656325lmao5 is never happening. Retro Studios probably isn't even going to exist in 6 months.
>>729673480delusional
>>729673369Super Metroid relied on opening up shortcuts, that whole notion of recontextualing an area is a result of how new areas opened into old areas that opened into new areas again. No other Metroid games DOES THAT, and it's SHIT. When someone says backtracking, they mean the kind of shit Metroid Prime does, where you retrace the same fucking hallways, no changes, nothing, just to get to the one place where you can continue forward. Backtracking does not belong ins a GOOD Metroid game.
>>729673480Retro Studios isn't going anywhere. They're probably just going to be in remaster and support hell for a while.
>>729673380>stronger than any antagonist ever>somehow still needs to clone Samus to take over the galaxy
>>729673480>wishful thinkingLmao
>>729673639Gimmie Prime 2 with RTX.
>>729673647well he literally quoted mother brain's schizo rant about "bringing order to the galaxy", and Samus seems very good at being a cosmic pitbull that eats eldritch horrors and chaotic forces.
