>2022 Elden Ring just got released, everyone fucking loves it and it's widely considered one of the greatest games ever made>Joseph Anderson: uuh.. ackshually the bosses are fucking trash and I hate FromSoft now>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden Ring and people start hating it>2024 Shadow of the Erdtree releases and everyone hates it and it's widely considered to have the same issues as the base game and the same boss design >Joseph Anderson: uuh.. ackshually the bosses are great now and I fucking love itJesus Christ, what a fucking retard, it's pretty clear he has no fucking clue what he's talking about and just don’t wanna have the same opinion as the masses.
>Youtube screencapYeah I immediately know this thread is retarded I don't even have to read a thing
>>729660191This critique in particular was highly influencing on Elden Ring discourse throughout the years, I thought it deserved its own thread just to show people how stupid it actually is, the bosses in the DLC have the exact same designs as the bosses in the base game but he hated one while loving the other, guy's just a pseud with an underground syndrome.
>>729660368Lol idk what this means idiot I didn't read your post
>>729660461How did you even find 4chan dude? Resetera seems to be more your speed.
its true that the UNWASHED MASSES, THE SHEEPLE are easily influenced however you don't have to really pay them any mind or watch their 2 hour videos surely. i mean no matter what you aren't gonna change a mobs mind unless you of course are one of these youtubers with 6 million subs but since you aren't you just have to accept that other peoples opinions are wrong.
Matthewmatosis won
>>729660512Idk what context that could possibly have or why you'd assume that from my post
>>729660145i heard this guy got divorced
>>729660368I didn't need some youtuber to tell me elden ring is a 7/10 game. I played it on release and all I could think of was "this would be so much better if there was more direction instead of empty fields to ride through looking for content"shadow of the erdtree obviously is better because it has less of that filler content that make the base game so much worse.
>have autism>hyperfixate on some eceleb>think his words shape of universe
>>729660712...the KWABOTY award
>>729660368I remember disliking his second video and not really getting in what way the bosses were better, the second elden ring video just felt like a mess to me in general, but despite that, I can't hop on your bandwagon, because you havent actually referenced a single argument or point he made, and its possible that id actually support his point now after so much time has passed, since i flip flopped a lot on his elden ring video when it first came out.
I don't know who that is and I hate Elden Ring.
>>729660867>Concord: 0 players right now>Logic Bombs: 16 player right nowMatthewmatosis won yet again
Like fucking clockwork.>From releases a DLC>the entire fucking community says it's bad/difficult/weird>a year passes>half think it's the second coming of Christ>the other half think it's absolutely dogshitFrom has one of the most retarded fanbases that I've ever seen
>>729660145this is how ive felt since his Mario Odyssey video. Guy doesnt know what hes talking about, hes a contrarian for contrarian sake, just like KingK.
>>729661113That video is retarded but Mario Odyssey does have a bit too many moons
I've never watched this and I think Elden Ring is a bad game, certainly From's worse since Metal Wolf Chaos. The game told me everything I needed to know, it's all there, the heaps of trash I forced myself through like a retard, no need for ecelebs.
>>729660145anderson had nothing to do with this shit. neverknowsbest shat on elden ring first
>>729660902His main point of criticism in the original critique was that the bosses were too hard to read, in short in order to learn their patterns you have to google instead of doing naturally so in battle (Malenia's Waterfowl Dance being the worst offender of this). In the DLC most of the bosses act the exact same way with even more ridiculous anime jump attacks, AOE attacks and camera issues, but now suddenly he likes them? Dude had the audacity of saying Bayle was the best boss of the DLC when he's the one with the worst camera issues, he even says in the beginning of the second review that he will not validate the people who hate the game, this sounded to me as a guy who has no fucking clue what he's talking about and just wanna have an opinion that's different from everyone else's, the moment it became popular to shit on Elden Ring he did a complete 360 on his opinion about the game.
>>729661560Shazam was first
>>729661631kek
>>729660191>>729660461>>729660792Absolute fucking nigger tier posts get off the Internet and rope immediately you make me embarrassed to even share the globe with people like you
>>729660145NeverKnowsBest's critique of the main game was much more accurate, he actually talked about the issues, didn't get sidetracked, and conveyed the exhaustion and disappointment many had with the game.Feeble King's defence of JosephAnderson was also a very good video which finds the actual points Joseph was making and brings them to the forefront rather than being lost in his rambling. VGMatthew's "Elden Ring - The Many Problems With It's Bosses" is a great video which focuses solely on the boss design of the base game and is a very focused critique of one facet of the game.
>>729660145The DLC's replayability is heavily hindered by the scadutree fragments, they wanted it to feel like a whole new game but you can finish the whole thing in exactly 3 bosses;
>can't run a circle in SMO>doesn't understand a simple game like SH2>Joseph "Monster Hunter isn't about the combat but the exploration" Anderson>Joseph Anderson "good controls doesn't exist"
>>729661739Don't be upsetti have some spaghetti
>>729661828>but you can finish the whole thing in exactly 3 bossesSo you are not obligated to go through a bunch of stupid bosses, that's an option? Great. More power for players.
>>729661828The Scadutrees you collect on your first playthrough transfer over to NG+, you don’t need to collect them all over again.
Why are you fags so focused on bosses? Elden Ring is not a boss rush game.
>>729660785I think I might do a spear or other polearm this time. Started to see the appeal of them thanks to plamo building.
>>729661906I'm just pointing out the dissonance between the actual progression related content being tied to just walking around an empty map and the obligatory bosses being 3 out of around 30.>>729661967And what about starting on a fresh save file? A lot of players don't even interact with NG+, they want to play the game again from a fresh start, base game has already a lot of empty walking by itself.
>>729661865>"Monster Hunter isn't about the combat but the exploration" AndersonOkay he's based
>>729661752Don’t know about the other two, but I watched that VgMatthew guy's video and it's awful, the dude clearly made the video because he was salty he couldn’t beat Malenia.
>>729660145I've been playing the series since Demon's Souls was released and Elden Ring wore me out. Bosses and their fake-outs got very annoying, the difficulty curve is all over the place, the open world map doesn't add much because most of the exploration leads to pointless pickups and repetitive dungeons, and I was about half way through the game still asking myself what the fuck an "Elden Ring" even was.And the storytelling, after 5 previous games of it, was tiring. I didn't care for any of the characters and the way their quests progressed felt disconnected and random at times, where the NPCs just seem to teleport around waiting for you to talk to them or give them an item you didn't realise you even had. Ranni's questline was at least fun and I got her ending on my first playthrough organically, but all of the rest were bad.I liked SotE more because it felt like there was a lot less fluff, but even then some of the bosses were shitty and I still didn't care for the quests and characters. Plus it comes after 100ish hours of play, at which point I was sick of the game. If SotE was the way the basegame was built I would have been happier.Pic related is the reason I got into the series. People were having organic collective experiences with Demon's Souls and it all felt fresh and interesting, with the jank being refreshing in a Call of Duty era of gaming. Now, what, nearly 10 years later, it's become stale and hasn't evolved in an interesting way or removed the pain points of things like the shit camera or lack of interaction beyond attacking or not attacking something.
>>729662040Streamers and their all boss runs/supercuts have created a mentality that the only thing that matters in the game is the bosses, though that also stems from bloodborne/DS3 and their noticeable increase in more flashy boss attacks.
>>729661865What do you explore in Monster Hunter? Aren't the maps just for fighting the monsters and collecting crafting items?
>>729662040Because if I gotta be completely honest with you, ER's dungeons suck, no idea why people fellate Stormveil so hard when you are given an option to open the gates and ignore all of it.You could make this argument for DeS, DS1, DS2 but all the ER dungeons feel like shit.
>>729662123You can collect 36 scadutree fragments without fighting a single boss dude and after scadutree blessing +12 your damage upgrade is minimal, with like 25 or so scadutee blessings you can already beat all bosses in the DLC.
>>729662469>You can collect 36 scadutree fragments without fighting a single boss dudeThat's the entire fucking problem, you enter the DLC and off you go collectig 25 dog turds on torrent while holding dash before playing it.
>>729662445Leyndell is one of the greatest dungeons ever made in a videogame, period.
>>729662293I'm really sad that traditional invasions aren't a thing anymore since DS2. They were some of my most mermorable moments with the series, no matter which end I was on. I have never invaded anything else other than gank squads in Elden Ring.
>everyone fucking loves ittroondelusions
>>729662802Elden Ring make invasions fair, if you're a tryhard that wanna invade someone who just wanna play casually it's perfectly fair that that person has other people to protect him. In other words, gitgud.
>>729660145Yea video from some youtuber 99% of players don't even know about did nothing to change anyone's mind.
>>729663006You can "play casually" offline. Unless you actually need online summons to beat the game for you.
>>729660812>be Joseph Anderson>be hideous fat fuck but manage to find a troll to procreate with>have like 5 kids>play vidya for a living>one of your parasocial moderators starts flirting with you>abandon your wife and 7 kids
>Godrick's whirlwind is unreactable and undodgeableI don't remember who said it first, matthewmatosis or Anderson, but whoever did it doesn't have any credibility whatsoever. And his discord gaylord butt-buddies too. It's objectively incorrect.
>>729662335He is talking about the first two PS2 games.
>>729662563>open world game>you have to *le gasp* explore
>>729663395His wife divorced him because he can't make her finish
>>729660145I will never watch youe crap, andercuck
>>729662040It is now
>>729663395His wife had BPD, he dodged a bullet.
Fromsoft have accidentally ruined action games for an entire generation. Everyone thinks playing Simon Says with parry systems is now profound and complex while Devil May Cry is "hack and slash."
>>729663425Matthew never talked about Elden Ring.
>>729661865Please tell me that's not an actual quote
>>729663682There is no exploration on a second playthrough. It just becomes a mindless chore.
>>729663812Pretty sure DMC5 sold more than any Souls game not named Elden Ring.
>>729663812>t. thinks combos is depth
>>729663887He said all those things. It's honestly incredible how many subscribers/followers you can get despite being completely retarded. Joseph Anderson is proof of that.
>>729663973I never understood people who say DmC is deeper than Elden Ring, is it just because of the combos? What do they change when at the end of the day you'll be dealing damage to the boss the exact same way? Elden Ring gameplay has much more strategical thinking, positioning and memorization involved than any other action game out there.
>>729663910Why would there be exploration in the second playthrough?
>>729662314>Streamers and their all boss runs/supercuts have created a mentality that the only thing that matters in the game is the bosses, though that also stems from bloodborne/DS3 and their noticeable increase in more flashy boss attacks.It was BB and DS3, which were cooked up by Miyazaki at the same timeDeS, DaS1 and DaS2 treated the bosses as part of the level>King's Path and Tower Knight>Inner Ward and Penetrator>Stonefang Tunnel and Flamelurker>Upper Latria and Maneters>Valley of Defilement and Maiden Astraea >Undead Burg/Parish and Gargoyles/Capra>Depths and Gaping Dragon>Blighttown and Quelaag>Sen's Fortress and Iron Golem>Anor Londo and O&S>Duke's Archives and Seathe >Catacombs and Nito>Lost Izalith and Bed of Chaos>Oolacile DLC and Artorias/Manus>Brume Tower and Fume Knight>Eleum Loyce and Old Ivory KingBB and DS3 are just being summed as a boss rush game with good music. There's so much more to DS3 that no one cares about
>>729660145Elden "procedural gen" ring was always dogshit game. Op kys now
>>729660145>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden Ring and people start hating it>>729660368>This critique in particular was highly influencing on Elden Ring discourse throughout the yearsThis is the first time I hear of this video and I'm pretty sure a lot of people here are in the same situation. Nobody gives a fuck about you Joseph.
>>729661457Meh, if you use his logic, many of the stars in 64 are as pointless as most moons. Like the one in Lethal Lava Land for waiting for the sliding puzzle to complete
>>729664534Yes, Mario 64 has a lot of shitty stars, what's your point
>>729664667Its fun
>>729663918DMC5 sales: 10 millionDark Souls series sales: 40 millionDo the math retardAlso, DMC series sales: 33 million
>>729662040I'm a DaS1 chad and dungeon crawling is the best part of these games however, the way ER is set up with the wide open plains and torrent mean that you don't have to actually interact with the world. I can just torrent and run from point of interest to point of interest and never really have to worry about the 'dangerous' mobs around me. Contrast this with DaS1 and the best you can do is sprint through everywhere but that requires good knowledge of the levels which probably comes from you already playing the game and getting good. The legacy dungeons in ER are good but everything in between is pointless waste and people know this so they treat it as such.On the topic of actual boss rushing, this has been the case since DaS3 which is actually an extremely mid game with an average boss list that people gloss over because they only focus on the last few bosses and DLC bosses. Fromsoft leaned into 'prepare to die' so much that they just focused on the bosses requiring x number of retries until you have downloaded their move set rather than making the world hostile to the player and increasing their sense of adventure. Fast travel from the start, sites of grace/stakes of marika everywhere, horse and countless other game systems have removed any of the friction that DaS1 offered that make it so beloved.
I somehow managed to not play a single souls game, which one would you guys recommend me to start with
>>729664771Damn, guess Elden Ring had a massive cascade effect on their back catalog, then. I'm pretty sure that was not the case a few years ago.I take it back, then. Dark Souls 3 probably sold more than DMC5.
>>729660145>2022 Elden Ring just got released, everyone fucking loves itspeak for yourself, I stopped playing half way through because the copypasta catacombs and the open world padding was a huge waste of the players time. I went back to bloodborne
>>729664881Demon's Souls (PS3/RPCS3) or Dark Souls 1 (Remaster is fine for accessibility, but PTDE with DSfix is slightly better for a first playthrough)
>>729664101Fighting a punching bag continuosly is the best depth DMC offers though it looks cool.
>>729661739>OP leads with an internet screencap>It's others who need to get off the internet
>>729664881Demon's Souls or Dark Souls
>>729664985combos are still gameplay
>>729661739He blasted your ass OP has once again proven to be a faggot
>>729661865Why do shitters always say that action games are actually about 'exploration'?
>>729664881I'd say DS3 is the most beginner friendly
>>729662040Souls games have always been boss fight simulators. DS2 was the only one to ever limit your ability to just sprint to the next boss fight, and even in that case that only goes for the Iron Keep. Very few of the regular enemies are threatening to any decent player with a good build.
>>729665372DS3 is too linear. You can't get lost, but it sucks.
>>729660145I had rollslop fatigue years before elden sneed came out
>>729663395I used to find that image rancid, disgusting to look at and it always immediatly made me cringe. But now that I'm looking at it again years later I think that he is not as ugly as I remember. In fact if he let his beard grow, got a better haircut and gained a bit of muscle he would make for a pretty cute bear. Like I see the potential.
>>729664974>>729665117how is ps3 emulation these days? Last time I tried it I got soft locked in persona 5
>>729664876DS1's level design is very straight forwards and has few dead ends or deliberate trap directions. Even if you don't know the level, outside of Blighttown, just running straight forwards at all times will get you to the end.
>>729665573Varies a lot game by game, but Demon's Souls is at a place I would recommend for a first playthrough if you don't have a PS3.It's not like PS2 emulation that mostly just works, but for the games that do work it's VERY good.Like I would recommend emulating the PS3 remasters of God of War 1 and 2 over using PCSX2.
>>729665573RPCS3 is in a very good state right now, especially when it comes to Demon's Souls.
>>729662293>people stopped making comics and edits about their shared experiences in the gamesWhy just make up stuff?
>>729664876disingenuous. the overworld isn't a dungeon, so it's not designed as one. if you're insisting of treating every single game like dark souls 1, don't be surprised from leaves you in the dust.
>>729665667>>729665723ok thanks guys, I'll start there
>>729663910What game without RNG actually gives you a feeling of exploration on a second completionist playthrough?
>>729664876>DaS1 chad and dungeon crawling is the best part of these gamesTrue but also this is why DeS is marginally better than DaS1.
>>729662563OR you can just ignore the skibidi and follow the line above every grace and you'll still finish the game with enough fragments.
>>729665926Demon's Souls combat feel is pretty terrible. DS1's isn't great, but it definitely feels less floaty and weird than DeS. Dungeon Crawling requires good combat to be fun.
>>729665480True but I think that's part of why I consider it a good introduction to the series, it's easy to get into and finish without being overwhelmedI tried getting some friends into DS1 over the years but they often give up because they don't know where to go next or find the combat/movement too stiff
>>729665725>the overworld isn't a dungeon, so it's not designed as oneI know it's not designed as one, hence why I used it as an example of why people view DaS3 and ER as boss rushes. Can you learn to fucking read. It's not disingenuous at all.>>729665926>True but also this is why DeS is marginally better than DaS1.Heard great things but I don't have a gaystation.>>729665574>Even if you don't know the level, outside of Blighttown, just running straight forwards at all times will get you to the end.But it's objectively more risky than horsey in the open world. There's many areas and runs where if you sidestep wrong you die, yes it's simple but it still requires some learned knowledge in order to just sprint through every level.
>>729665725>the overworld isn't a dungeonYes, that's the problem.
>>729660145>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden Ring and people start hating itI didn't need a sloptuber to tell me that ER was mediocre, I came to thar conclusion by myself after a few dozen hours of playing it. I couldn't even bring myself to finish the DLC.
>>729666157That's just a filter working as intended. Nothing is for everyone, introducing people to the series through titles that don't feature some of the main appeals the series has is how you end up with DS3 babies being the majority and dictating the future of the franchise.If you get filtered by exploration, minimal handholding and slower paced combat, you should just play something else instead of finding another way of becoming a Souls fan.At least in an ideal world, in the real world they just turned Souls into a boss rush with anime moves for them.
>>729665725NTA, but the overworld is designed like all of From's other levels. Enemies just stand around in pockets doing nothing until you aggro them and fights are contained to invisible arenas. Not to mention the small ambush areas or chokepoints that Torrent effortlessly invalidates.
>>729661865>>729663395are there more pics of him? his face is so weird.
>>729666046I'll be honest the combat in both games feels pretty identical to me.>Dungeon Crawling requires good combat to be fun.Counterpoint: King's Field is great>>729666160>Heard great things but I don't have a gaystation.Neither do I. But the game is easily emulatable now.
>>729665480define getting lost. DS3 is the game I forget my way forward the most. I spend too much time clearing everything and then I can't find where I'm supposed to go because its areas are gigantic and full of detours.Sure, 1 and 2 can make you wonder "what area am I supposed to do now" but you're never going to get lost in one.
>>729660368No it wasn't you faggot. I don't even know who this nigger is and his opinions on Elden Ring are meaningless to me and everyone else. Fuck you.
>>729661865Wait that is what he looks like?
>>729661047This is just revisionist history, Crown of the Olds King DLCs and the Old Hunters were universally praised as being the best parts of their games when they first released. The only ones which was truly despised on release was Ashes of Ariandel
>>729667416What? Ashes of Ariandel has the best boss in the game.
>>729660145>I hate FromSoft nowPeople say DS1 has great level design, what they mean is, they like how the levels look/feel and connect. They don't mean that the levels themselves are good. Souls AI especially in the first game just stands in one spot, often in a clump of enemies they'll just be facing the exact same direction because the designer didn't even give enough of a to rotate them. It looks incredibly fake. In combat, the AI is still very basic. There is very, very little that level design can do to actually make the AI interact with it uniquely, because Souls AI isn't designed to interact with the environment in any real way. They'll just run to you with bad pathing until they're close enough to attack/spam projectiles while standing still. Look at Half-Life 1, the HECU. Their AI and their levels were designed to work off of each other. HECU couldn't just be in some blank room. Every single HL1 singleplayer mod I have played, none of them ever made levels better than the original game's, because the original devs were smart and really knew how to use the AI. FROM often just puts enemies in cheap/inconvenient areas, or in some cluster, because there's nothing else you can do with them. Dark Souls is bad, and FROM are bad designers. They've gotten a little better, but not by much (I did like Sekiro, but not Elden Rehash). You can still enjoy the game but you can't really take it that seriously.
>>729667740The entire DLC was just that boss and a pointlessly big area.
his opinion didn't shape the entire discourse around the game you stupid fucking retard.people started saying the game has bad bosses because it fucking does. Retarded blobs of random limbs spazzing around without having to obey the laws of momentum or physics in general while hitting for 60%+ of your health every swing is actually fucking terrible because it results in mindless trial and error bullshit where you just smash your face against the boss until you finally know all of their animations properly.the>boss floats in the air for an arbitrary amount of time, then slams into the ground instantaneously, too fast to react with the dogshit dodge on release input delay controlsisn't even a fucking meme, it's half the fucking bosses in the game.
>>729667968Elden Ring is arguably the greatest game ever made, period.
>>729666468SOTE did it better
>>729668164There was the wolf boss as well.
>>729667968>FROM often just puts enemies in cheap/inconvenient areas, or in some cluster, because there's nothing else you can do with them. >Design is bad because I need to overcome inconveniencegi' gu'
>>729663395I don't really like his new gf. The more I listen to her speak the more it's obvious she just believes anything on Twitter. Also she thinks kcd2 has an unforgivable treatment of women like gta-sexism after she played the game for a few hours.She also says the creator of the game is just an ex-gamergater which is funny to me after all his efforts to pander to a certain crowd.Also she keep turning Joe against his own chat and keeps talking about their treatment of women even though they're one of the most non-incel chats you can have
>>729660191Wannabe jannies like you need to be culled
matthewmatosis's mind is wasted on this slop and the pretentious fart sniffers who enjoy it
What happened between this guy and his wife again?
>>729667740>despised on releaseAnon you missed that part out. It was a joke of a DLC compared to all the prior From games as it only introduced 1 new area to explore as opposed to 3-4 which was the standard with the other DLCs
>>729660145>and people start hating itNo that was just you and a handful of contrarians
>>729668180>Recycled assets since 2012>Same story as the previous 3 souls games>Open world that despite what everyone says, is not revolutionary at all it just lacks POI's>A multitude of criticisms listed in this thread>9(NINE) unique bosses>Copy paste catacombs which all have the same droning music over the top>Boss fights that are basically at the limit of what the game systems can handle>Dishonest design in multiple places just trying to frustrate the playerIt's an objectively great game when compared to the gaming landscape, it offers a good combat system, responsive controls, a massive world and on the whole above average boss fights. The game however is quantity over quality and has such insane glaring issues that show up under the slightest investigation. The masses love it thought because they posses no critical thinking skills so more is better to them no matter what.
ive never completed one of their gamesif i cant learn and beat a boss within 1 hour i just uninstallits just a waste of time and id rather be playing something funthere is no good reason for their games to be as difficult as they are
>>729668257I accept your concession.
>>729668808what's wrong with asset reuse?
>>729668180Dark Souls but with a tedious open world. The amount of rehashing from their previous games and just within this game is terrible, FROM is out of ideas for this formula and they were out of ideas by Dark Souls 2. Please make something new, Sekiro isn't that different but at least it's not just the same boring roll gameplay this company has staked their existence on. Sekiro is when they tried to make a good game. >inb4 yo uget mad and go gi gi goo goo ga ga like the other babby
>>729668389She also says his chat is equivalent to children begging for attention, she clearly hates them.
>>729669647Elden Ring shits on Sekiro and you are simply mad cause bad.
>>729668580Huh? Matthew is much better than Joseph.
>>729660145>>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden Ring and people start hating itnigger, people were already trashing on the game on /v/ for legit issues during the first two weeksyou just outed yourself as a newfag, and I say this as a zoomer who got here in 2017
>>729669813I've been here since 2013, newfag.
>>729669813>for legit issues Actually it was for crybaby faggot nonsense just like DaS1 trannies do any time they play an actually challenging game
>>729669813>for legit issuessuch as?
>>729666523>Counterpoint: King's Field is greatIt has vibes, but moment to moment the game is not fun.
>>729661113he was right about Mario Odyssey thoughbeit
>>729669952True. The only reason anyone even pretends to care about kingsfield is that kingsfield 4 has a fucking 12/10 soundtrack.
>>729662445Unironically the only good Legacy dungeons in ER are Stormveil, Volcano Manor and the sewers. And the first two aren't as good as the best levels from DS1, DS2 and BBSome of the mini dungeons have actually more interesting level design
>>729663425it's almost undodgeable on console with input lag. Not 100%, but if you're in melee range you're getting clipped
>>729660145The thing is with past FromSoftware DLCs is that they usually feel like the BEST part of their game. DS1's DLC was the best part of DS1's second half. DS2's shit boss roster was saved by DS2's boss lineup like Sinh, Sir Alonne and Ivory King. Bloodborne's mediocre boss roster was saved by the best bosses the series had seen up to that point in its dlc. DS3 had good bosses all around but its best bosses were again, in its DLC. SOTE doesnt feel like the best part of Elden Ring, it feels like all of the dogshit of the original game condensed into one package. The best part of Elden Ring isn't the DLC like how the best part of the previous games was the DLC, instead its the beginning of the game from Limgrave-Caelid-Liurnia-Leyndell. For a DLC that was quite expensive and padded with shit that didnt need to be there, it makes sense why people hate this one.
>>729670108All of the legacy dungeons are better than any pre DS3 level (and also most of those). Except for Redmane castle anyway
>>729670048Are KF games worth playing? Are they like Dark Souls? Which one should I start with?
>>729670259>it feels like all of the dogshit of the original game condensed into one packageYou're a lazy whiny shitter. Plus SOTE fixed Elden Ring's only actual flaw which was a somewhat weak soundtrack
>>729669445Asset reuse is fine if it's for minor stuff like backstab animations or certain environmental backgrounds. It's egregious when a whole biome in the game consists of nothing but reskinned enemies that were unique and specific to the area they were in. The giant Caelid dogs and crows were cool the first time, what the fuck are their albino cousins doing in the Mountaintops of the Giants? Why is there just a second Astel chilling in a random cave in bumfuck nowhere? Why are the same dragon fights copy and pasted 50 times? The asset reuse in Elden Ring completely destroys the mystique and immersion in the second half of the game.
This board has a serious youtuber problem
>>729668197unironically the graveyard near the not-New Londo level was more memorable and challenging than most other areas in the game to me. The skellies there are weirdly tough and Torrent is of no use
>>729670283Just play 4. You might want to make a map or search one up. 90% of the game looks identical and you constantly are looping around levels and floors.
>>729670283They are oldschool first person dungeon crawlers. They are clunky, obtuse, ugly even for the time, and you know how brainlets claim that the souls games have no story but just try to hint at tge existence of a story? That's what KF actually is. I do not reccomend them.
>>729662445Stormveil is worshipped so much only because Limgrave is such high quality. It is far and away the most dense part of the game because its the beginning, and so the journey in Limgrave is 'I'm not strong enough to tackle that big castle, so I need to explore this massive field until I'm strong enough.'. If Stormveil was in a traditionally structured Souls game and it was just the first level you end up in, it would be forgettable and mediocre. The buildup from gearing up your character and getting whacked by Margit makes Stormveil better than it otherwise would be. Generally speaking the early world building of Elden Ring is insane. My favourite part was after combing through an area as big and as dense as Limgrave, the guy in the Roundtable explains each of the other major areas and their respective demigods. Its just a shame all those areas turned out to be mostly empty and full of reused slop.
>>729660145SotET was the most disappointing release of 2025 for me.
>>729669939the awful and misleading animation style used to trick you into rolling too early unless you've seen that move a few times already, just to name an example
>>729670336That's not an argument, also SOTE's soundtrack is mostly inferior to the original game's outside of Midna, Messmer and Radahn's themes.
>>729663270NTA but the devs designed it this way for a reason, playing online with friends or other randoms allows for invasions. If someone wants a friendly in their game then they get opened up to the possibility of an enemy player. It's totally in the realm of possibility that 2-3 people are simply just wanting to have a good time and they don't need a backpack through the game and then they have to deal with an invader. It's not always gear out bros who are looking to smash invasions and honestly most players don't have the time to keep 2-3 friends within certain level/gear ranges for anything to be thought of as fair so scaling comes into play. I can't honestly be asked to reroll a new character for a friend just so we can maybe play a few times together before they possibly drop the game and cheat engine builds are cheating IMOIt's probably about as fair a system as you'll get since the invader often has the advantage of skill/gear and drive to actually destroy someone while coop players are just rolling through the game and often times don't even understand some of the shit that gets them killed or what's possible with a lot of work going into specific builds/weapons or map layouts and cheese spots for cheeky kills or pushes off ledges.Obviously there will always be outliers and you'll get gank squads who try to smash invaders in the most unfun way possible or taunters tongue users who want nothing more than to get as many invasions as possible but I would say the majority of invaders still have the advantage by far in these games across multiple titles with different invasion rules
>>729670283I like them, start with either 2 or 4. There's clear connections between King's Field and Dark Souls, it wouldn't be hard to guess it's from the same company, but I often feel like the similaritis are overstated by people who didn't actually play them. Still worth playing, but don't expect Dark Souls 0.5, that's not what they are.From's back catalog is really good, it has some shitty games but it also has real gems. Worth diving for sure.
>>729670271But DS3 has the worst levels of the series?
>>729660145>>729660368>muh youtuber opinion bubbleNever post again
>>729670524>also SOTE's soundtrack is mostly inferior to the original game's Not only are you lazy and bad at videogames, you're a tasteless layman too
>>729670481>2025>mindbroken so hard he got timewarpedKEK, based SotE
I have never heard of this zoomer youtuber
>>729670578I wonder why they don’t release a remastered collection of their old classics, it would sell like water in the desert, most people didn’t play King's Field or Armored Core in their times.
>>729670537What's the point of adding all of this and then add a mechanic in the game where you can summon a ghost that can tank way more hits than the average shitter you can summon in, while also not inflating boss HP and damage? Shitters can already cheese the game with spirit ashes, so what's the point in ruining the online aspect of the game? Its bad enough that covenants don't exist so there is literally zero reason to engage with the online aspect of the game
>>729670364Finding the Astel and Godefroy refights for the first time was when I knew From was completely washed as a studio. Miyazaki knows that he keep peddling lazy recycled shit and the Fromdrones would eat it up. Look at Nightreign ffs
>>729662445You are fucking retarded, ER has the best dungeons From has ever done and it's where the game really shines (besides the "wow" moments of world connectivity and the map size increasing).
>>729660145>and it's widely considered one of the greatest games ever madeby retarded zoomers, yeah
>>729670283PS1 and PS2 era FromSoftware games are cursed with tank controls and looking up and down with the fucking triggers. This isn't so bad for King's Field which is a slow paced game but you'll want to kill yourself playing a fast-paced game like Armored Core. Luckily you can just rebind the mappings ingame
>>729660145Elden ring and the expansion are bad games. The combat is bad being a broken souls mod that clashes with enemy design, and the open world serves no purpose at all. It's empty and you stretches the game out as you ride your horse past the filler.Miyazaki even said he didn't know why the game was a success. It had a troubled development and he knows it's mediocre. It should not have been a souls game. So many poorly reused assets.
>>729660368>Bro everyone knows who Tommy Scrudele is and his 14 hour video essay on Peggle is still the cornerstone of arguments to this day!Retard
>>729670586There are a couple of poopy ones (farron swamp, demon ruins, irithyll dungon), but the levels themselves are generally good and very large and elaborate, the dissapointing part is that they're all laid out on a straight line. Lothric Castle/Grand Archives in particular is one of the best levels in videogames.
>>729660191FPBPTotal E-celeb Death
>>729670716Sekiro did verticality first and did it better than Elden ring.
>>729662445I don't agree. Stormveil, Raya Lucaria, Leyndell and Volcano Manor and some parts of Farum Azula were all very fun and enjoyable. The problem is that these are FIVE locations in the game and every other major area is hot dogshit
>>729670667If I had to guess probably publishing rights. From has been largely moving towards self publishing, especially after becoming part of Kadokawa. They don't seem to be interested in dealing with all of that publishing rights bullshit across so many different companies. They're not opposed to it when companies approach them willing to deal with it themselves, so we got for example Metal Wolf Chaos remastered, but they're not going out of their way to do it if not approached.
People who say Joseph's critique didn’t influence the discourse around the game are crazy, he singlehandedly changed the perspective of the game for a lot of the fanbase with his video, it's now more common to see people hate on the game's bosses than otherwise, even on "positivity" sites like reddit or resetera.
>>729670625Holy shit youre right. It really was so disappointing that im still more disappointed about it than anything else this year. Probably the last From game I'll ever play.
>Start Shadow of the Erdtree>See this massive world and a huge floating castle>Explore for a little bit>Go into the castle>The castle takes like 5 minutes to beat>Kill a shitter forgettable boss>Get cucked by a 'Come back later!' message to see the rest of the dungeonLiterally the only area in the DLC which is halfway decent is the Shadow Keep because its the only one that lasts more than 2 seconds.
>>729670864Miquella's Haligtree is one of the best dungeons in videogames' history and you didn’t mention it.
>>729670926>it's now more common to see people hate on the game's bosses than otherwiseRetarded faggots like you were doing this literally the day of launch.
>>729660712Matt isn't brilliant but he's thoughtful and independently minded which may as well be superpowers in the world of post-2012 game analysis. He also did fucking nail Fromsoft like 7 years before anyone else.>>729660867Bro actually released a game. That instantly makes his opinions more worthwhile than all the other youtube poop journalists out there.
I got to the femboy boss and uninstalled the game. So bad. I'm not going back to the shitty dlc world to look for those stupid HP upgrades.
>>729670784>Luckily you can just rebind the mappings ingameYou say it like it's some secret tech. Of course you should rebind to your liking, it's why people complained about this no longer being a standard thing you could do on games generally and why companies started adding a system level option to remap to get around this. Even on consoles.If switching buttons around makes it perfectly playable to you then there's nothing wrong with how the game controls. Tank controls are tank controls no matter which button does what.
>>729670896Didn’t Bamco publish Nightreign?
>>729670853Level design in general was a huge bust in Sekiro. Stealth was too powerful and eliminated any difficulty or fun from how easily you could cheese any given area. Worst designed "dungeons" in any of their recent games.
>>729671016I didn't mention it probably because it was that forgettable
>>729671016>not a single unique enemy
SotE was so bad that it made me lose faith in FromSoft and finally go back and play their pre-Souls titles. KF2, Shadow Tower, and KF4 are all great games and have the kind of level design and atmosphere that SotE lacked. I like base Elden Ring quite a bit, but if shit like the scadu fragments is their idea of how to expand the open world, their next game is going to fucking suck.
>>7296703704chan users like to think they are individualists but seem to be even more prone to group think than redditors are.
>>729670997If you say you passed through Rauh Ruins in 5 minutes you're fucking lying nigga
>>729660145>ackshually the bosses are fucking trashThis is true though?
>>729671076Yeah, but I expect any new IP to be self published from now on. Duskbloods is actually fully owned by From Software, Nintendo has zero rights over it. Probably just gave them a bag of money for exclusivity over literally anything they had in the pipeline and they just gave them the one closest to completion.
>>729671204I'm referring to Belurat
>>729671193Try Kuon and Armored Core too.
>>729669757He only has basically 1k viewers these days (and that's before his fucking YIIK playthrough holy shit) so if he let's her influence him that much there's no helping him
>>729671141Tell me where else did you fight Malenia in the game.
>>729671363I wouldn't count bosses, but sure I do like Malenia a lot, and her being behind a shitty asset flip dungeon is a negative, not a positive.
>>729671294I wonder who approached who first, Nintendo or FromSoft? Such a random partnership.
>>729671294You don't need to make up a story
>>729671319Yeah, but you said Shadow Keep is the only dungeon that lasts more than 5 minutes when Rauh Ruins is really fucking big as well, you're even allowed to use your horse.
>>729660145I agree with a lot of the Elden Ring criticisms in theory but not in game actually. Elden Ring really does have a great open world. The legacy dungeons kind of embarass Nintendo's lack of dungeons in the new games, even if they play like a greatest hits collection of past games. Recycling content is fine if it's good content. I don't care too much about being the best at frame perfect dodge rolling but as a playground to explore all of the souls game's RPG mechanics, it's hard to imagine Elden Ring being any better than it is desu.
>>729671354Damn, during the Umineko streams he was hitting 3k.
>>729660145And why should I listen to him after knowing about this brutal mogging?https://youtu.be/bWiccoRo-mg
>>729671193Same here. SOTE was hot dogshit so I went back and played the entire Armored Core series and it completely mogs the newer games in terms of atmosphere AC3-ACFA was pretty much an uninterrupted stretch of good games one after the other with the only shitter being Nexus and Ninebreaker technically but that doesnt count because it doesnt even have a campaign.
>>729660867>single guy with shoestring budget and no dev experience makes game that reaches half the all time peak of a $400m game from hundreds of industry vets
>>729660145>His video somehow shapes the entire discoursekys
>>729671480I stand corrected, they gave a bag of money for a new title and gave them an idea they already had. Doesn't really change much, still a moneyhatted releaase owned by From, which was more the point I was making, it's not like Bloodborne that fully belongs to Sony and this is why it doesn't get any ports or anything of the sort because Sony doesn't give a fuck even if From does.
>>729671625>two and a half hour unironic defense of a kusoge (DS2)LOL!
>>729661739You have no business calling anyone a nigger while obsessing over some eceleb faggot.
>>729671625DS2 is still better than Elden Ring because despite having the same flaws, DS2 has soul and atmosphere
>>729671626The ending to Nexus was fucking amazing. I think it's really underrated. Awesome soundtrack too.My favorites are still Last Raven and Silent Line, but Nexus is good.Not a big fan of AC4 however, but For Answer is so godlike that I would never recommend people to skip gen 4. I like both gen 5 games a lot more than 4, but I still think gen 4 > gen 5 just because of for Answer.
>>729671868Nexus' ending was extreme kino but unfortunately the preceding game was just boring dogshit. You never want to feel weak in Armored Core, and Nexus just makes you much weaker than you were in Silent Line or 3 which feels shit. Last Raven mostly fixed this however. AC4 is forgettable but not bad per se, and yes I agree that For Answer is probably one of Miyazaki's best games and one of FromSoftware's best works overall, and certainly has the best soundtrack in any of their games.
>>729670471I feel that From blew their load WAY too early with Limgrave and Stormveil. Starting off the game with the densest region with the most points of interest sets up an expectation of greatness that the rest of the game struggles to follow up. It doesn't help that nearly a third of the bestiary comes from Limgrave alone, and you see reskins in almost every other biome in the game
I have been playing Elden Ring for something like 60 hours. I liked it at first (exploring!) but the lack of direction and story is starting to bother me. You need a fucking walkthrough to even solve the sidquests... and no questlog... I can't freaking remember all that cryptic stuff that some nPC wierdow told me 15 hours ago.I don't know if I will delete it... but I am considering it; again. :)
>>729660145I'll never forget this guy complaining about there not being enough 'sitting on a bench' moons in Mario Odyssey.
>>729672012That's a fair point but I was TOO strong in Silent Line, the game had zero challenge, as much as I like it. I enjoyed Nexus making me care about more things with my AC and take extension parts to deal with cooling to make up for dual analog making piloting easier.
>>729671656>10 years of dev time to make a ripoff game that doesn't even reach half the all-time peak of the biggest flop in video game history>probably 90% of people who bought it were patreon paypigs anywayIt is pretty funny when you put it that way
>>729668389Sounds like she needs correction and she's not receiving it
>shit hitboxes>Shit camera>Shit AI>Gorillion of items you can't even use>Input buffering>Enemy swarm>Shockwaves, healthpools and poise ignore, tricks for artificial difficulty>Despite this, the easiest game to cheeseElden ring is not a good game, it's a fladerization of the "prepare to die" marketing
>>729671625I love Matthew but sometimes he has some really retarded takes. Like in that video for instance he creates an entire headcannon about how Miyazaki didn’t know anything about the development of Dark Souls 2 and that it was actually developed by a junior team inside FromSoft while the main team worked on Bloodborne, you can't just say shit like that without proof.
>>729660145>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden RingGenuinely kill yourself.
>>729672057Use your fucking head, idiot.
>>729672547Why do you keep repeating that throughout the thread retard? Anyone who says he wasn't pretty fucking influential is fucking lying or living under a rock.
>>729669757>She also says his chat is equivalent to children begging for attentionThat's not wrong though
>>729672798Oh, so other anons already told you. Good, you should listen to them too.
>>729672467You haven't played any of these games since DS2 and you pretend to have played DeS even though you didn't.
>>729672857Quit streaming then if you hate your chat so much?
>>729660145I really don't get how this guy took off. I've never heard anything insightful from him and he has an annoying personality.
>>729672997>Just quit if you hate your job so muchYou're a funny guy
>>729672057That's From for you. Some stuff is cryptic as fuck and without a search you will be walking in circles.
>>729672931I'm playing Nightreign right now and these issues become clear ass day in a "hurry up" game.I also forgot to mention their obsession with platforming and unstable ground. No one would complain about a less rocky terrain, the only thing it achieves is enemies and the player getting stucked on the geometry and shitty platforming. The character also stops running and takes a bit to stoo when changing directions so you end up with this scenario where the controls are sloppy and clunky as fuck.
>>729673082He can write sorta good? That's what made him popular, he can make his most retarded opinions sound somewhat intelligent and insightful with his writing.
>>729673153>Elden ring is bad because my character actually has to turn around when I want to turn aroundlmao shitter. And yet, even you understand that Big Ring is so good you had to buy the multiplayer roguelight spinoff.
>>729673153>clear ass day>getting stucked on
>>729673270Didn't say that, I'm saying the game is badly programmed and uses cheap tricks for artificial difficulty. It's not good game design.I'm sure most people that praise elden ring use summons and cheese builds, and ignore the mechanics and enemies of the game by oneshoting them or chainstunning them. If you try to honestly engage with the game it becomes dull and unfair.Using cheese builds is the same as looking paint dry.
>>729673883It's not badly programmed. The combat is fluid and fair and you are just shit and refuse to try to improve. And while yes, the game offers many different mechanics to defeat opponents in creative ways, it is designed to where you absolutely can just beat the whole thing using only melee and no shield if you want, and I have done it multiple times. We know that From also considers this important because of how they patched Elden Ring to make sure that this was still a viable way to play.
>>729670523how is that an issue? that's just how the enemies work in this game
>>729660145>>His video somehow shapes the entire discourse around Elden Ring and people start hating itWhy are you niggers this insecure...if you dont like the open world, the game is pretty mid...
>>729660145>thinking your irrelevant literally whotuber no one has ever heard of has shaped anythinglolOnlyafro has shaped the souls community more with a shitty meme video than whoever the fuck this irrelevant non-factor is fuck outta here
>>729674396It's also how people that aren't retarded fight in real life too
>>729668591DS2 had 3 DLCs which were all the same size as ariandel
>>729674308>It's not badly programmedDude, have you ever played any other game in your life, ever?
>>729670625SotE is based, it cured me of my love of Souls.
>>729675192There is no other game with more intuitive and fluid combat. Let me guess, you prefer character action game garbage?
>>729675391>Intuitive combat>Enemies have bait animations >Player has input bufferingOk, now it's clear you are baiting, have a (you)
>>729668164Ariandel is a cool area and the enemies are fun. I think people just felt burned by the size of the DLC on release, especially if they played it on their endgame characters and breezed through everything.The only complaint I had was the Champion's Gravetender felt lazy and didn't really add anything to the boss fight.
>>729660145>Hype cycle of video game dies down>Criticisms start coming out>"Wait are people actually starting to think critically about this experience? No! Some literally who is to blame!"Put down the copium, faggot.
>>729671193>>729671626Every previous Souls DLC at least has something that was clearly given a lot of love, usually bosses, but at the best of times the lore and level design. With SotE it almost feels like the devs despised making it. The lore is absolute trash that seems to presume you won't spend five minutes thinking about anything, the bosses just have longer combos and more retarded animations than ever before, the world is massive and so empty it makes Mountaintops of the Giants feel condensed. That, and the scadutree system is genuinely awful.It's one of the worst gameplay experiences I've had in years. The only redeeming thing I can say is that the art direction is good.
>>729675803Raya Lucaria and Liurnia are some of the best regions in the game.
>>729675898Liurnia is cool for about five minutes until you realize the lake is just a giant puddle.
>>729675543>Enemies have bait animations It's called feinting, it's something you can learn to notice and also something very few enemies actually do.>Player has input bufferingThis is a good thing, retard, it lets you string actions together without needing frame perfect inputs. EVERY game has input buffering to various degrees.
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>>729676118As opposed to a bridge leading to a hallway, which is RIVETING game design
>>729660191Yep, fpbp. Nothing good has ever come out of a thread seething about a YouTube celebrity
>>729672057>You need a fucking walkthrough to even solve the sidquests... and no questlog...The quests are like easymodo Black Souls. You absolutely do not need a guide.
>>729676337You don't know what game design is
>>729676546Game design is when a big dragon stands on the bridge so you have to go under the bridge so he doesn't get you!
>>729676279>It's called feintingFeinting is not holding your weapon over your head for five seconds then suddenly attacking in exactly the way it looked like you were about to attack.
>>729676648Actually that absolutely is one way to feint
>>729660145>nukes you from orbithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftk5xMeJito
>>729669952The combat is clunky but I genuinely find the exploration fun. And the clunky combat does add a bit of tension which I like. >>729670283Start with 4. It's the best by some margin, lots of cool varied levels, great music, some interesting gimmicks and wonderful exploration. If you really want more after, play 1-3. Don't quicksave on emulator though, it kills the tension completely.
>>729660145This guy outed himself as negative IQ from his SH2 opinions so there is no reason to ever take him seriously.
>>729676928Tl;dr?
>>729676928There's a sudden wellspring of Youtubers whose entire existence is seething that anyone has ever dared to criticize anything that From Software has ever made.
>>729677361Which is completely just. Those shitter, transexual, underaged, normalfag, lazy faggot loser casuals should be purged from the internet with fire and steel.
>>729677361post 10. even 5
>>729677039He made an entire video for people who criticize him on his SH2 opinion, go watch it: https://youtu.be/Gu8u2SxarEE?si=q0i4bKlNjrsbJLcx
>>729677361I don't know about the specifics of this, like if it's specifically about From Software and specifically about negative reviews, but I have noticed how much more common it is to get videos of people talking about people, and I immediately dismiss all of them and never bother watching. If you think you have something interesting to say about a game, or game criticism in general, I'm willing to listen, regardless of whether it's positive or negative, but if talking about this or that reviewer is not worth my time, will never watch one of these. You're seething about opinions, it's bottom of the barrel trash content.Like Mork bringing up that one fucking God Hand review every time. It's 4chan post fodder, not something worth making a video essay on. Comment sections is where you seethe about the video and the person who made it, a new video should have its own thesis.
>>729677454No.
>>729674396it's an issue because it looks retarded, getting hit feels cheap, and nobody genuinely likes trial and error (they only pretend they do for gamer cred)
>>729677279TLDR There are a large amount of Youtubers out there making videos that know fuckall about anything they are talking about and are being taken as authoritative by the communities for whatever game they make a video about. It goes beyond just talking about Elden Ring and is more about "games critics" on Youtube being 80 IQ mouthbreathers that don't even know what the purpose of the video they are creating even is. It's a pretty good takedown video.>>729677361That is not what the video is about
>>729677669I like trial and error as long as it's fast. Super Meat Boy is fun. The problem is that Souls isn't fast, they try to remedy this with shit like having a billion bonfires and one respawn point before every boss but it just makes the experience cheap. Make an actually fast paced, highly responsive, full of player movement options action game with instant retries and I'll have a blast with trial and error. Give me many of those KH II Final Mix data fights, love them.
>>729677798ADHD issue
>>729677798>The problem is that Souls isn't fast,It is, you just don't fucking pay attention to the enemy, even after dying to them 30 times, because you are stupid and lazy
>>729677798Also kingdom hearts is a dogshit baby game and you should kill yourself
>>729678000I don't mean fast paced gameplay, I think the point was clear by mentioning the bonfire spam, but I understand that Elden Ring fans may be intelectually challenged, so I don't hold it against you.
>>729660145Ive never heard of this retard in my life and i have several hundred hours in elden ring and in nightreign. Basing your opinions on youtubers streamers influencers etc is a sure sign you’re a goy npc with no soul or discernment of your own. And there are more and more of you every day. Grim and worrisome
>>729678072Baby game or not it's harder than Elden Ring and leans into trial and error much more, but it has immediate retries, leading to less frustration with its trial and error.
>>729678092>I don't mean fast paced gameplay,That's the only thing you COULD be referring to. What you said was this:>Make an actually fast paced, highly responsive, full of player movement options action game Which the game ALREADY FUCKING IS
>>729670926it didn't you retard. by 2022 hamsterson was irrelevant and neverknowsbest cucked him
>>729662293I'm old and this was mostly my take. SotE plays better by not being open world meme to the same degree as the original.The problem is I'm also a recovering lorefag and SotE is _the_ worst dlc of all time in that regard. And I was team 'Miquella is just shota Griffith' in the base game to begin with.
>>729677704>is more about "games critics" on Youtube being 80 IQ mouthbreathers that don't even know what the purpose of the video they are creating even is.Which is a stupid and hypocritical point to make given that fucking "Gred Glinstone" is the one who published this video lmao. His channel is the epitome of mouthbreather slop
>>729678201>Baby game or not it's harder than Elden Ring No, it isn't, and it's also lame and gay
The DLC bosses are great because they're the only ones that greatshields are actually effective against. It truly made me feel like Havel the Rock.
These types of youtubers are genuinely worse for your brain if you want to enjoy videogames than fucking /v/It's always 2 hours of nitpicking stupid shit or saying "oh man if only they did this differently" and every 20 minutes the guy says "but I totally enjoy this game trust me guys" because otherwise he would sound like he fucking despises the game.
>>729678284Elaborate
>>729678221Not anywhere near the counter example I gave. I'm saying that Souls has not changed enough at its core to go with the design shift, and they try to keep up with shoddy patchwork. They undermine the point of the carefully placed checkpoint system to make up for the increase in boss difficulty. If they want to lean into this more, they should make whole games around this and let go of the Souls DNA instead of constantly undermining it sequel after sequel.It's not an issue exclusive to Souls, if anything it's the natural endgame of all long running series to become a parody of itself.If they're set on making action game bosses they should try designing real action games too. The games would benefit from it. I doubt I'd enjoy them as much as the original Souls games, but I'm sure I'd enjoy them much more than what Souls games are now.
>>729677704Did he specifically mention Joseph? Joseph is pretty smart and has a very vast knowledge about videogames and writing.
>>729678263>neverknowsbest cucked himwho then got cucked even harder by PatricianTV
I don't care about that youtuber, but do people really care if you watch gaming youtubers? Doesn't everyone do that?
>>729678509Yes, it is primarily about Joseph Anderson, famed writer of The Bounty Hunter Series One and The Wizard and the Dragon 1-6
>>729678296It absolutely is, and by a lot. The only boss fight in Elden Ring that comes close to one of KH2FM's superbosses is Malenia, but it's still not anywhere near the level of moveset variety and how much memorization you need to do. I'd say KH3RM is harder too, but I played that one less than 2, so it's harder to go from memory alone.I don't know why that's even remotely controversial, games harder than From Software's games are dime a dozen, what is much more rare is games as good as their best titles.
>>729678504>Not anywhere near the counter example I gave.The example you gave was PS2 shovelware, a retarded brainless beat em up. >I'm saying that Souls has not changed enough at its coreIt has. It's gotten faster, the player has gotten many more moves, and the balance and variety of abilities has enormously increased.Character action games are shit and From would be fools to switch to them. Also you picked a particularly lame and gay one.
>>729676928This was a good video
>>729678649>It absolutely is, and by a lot.No, your baby dogshit disney games aren't even remotely challenging. You just were bad at videogames when you were 12. And still today, evidently
the last Souls game i played was DaS2 and i dont intend to remedy that(i also love DaS2 to death). the series just had too many normies attached to it as time went on. imagine being associated with a series attached to someone like that Zullie troon lol
It's genuinely fucking over if baby games from the 2000's are harder than Souls games now.>t. KH enjoyer
>>729678643kek I love YouTuber drama lmao
>>729660145Souls games have been not for me since ds3iframes required and waiting for combos to fucking finish is not fungive me back slow shitty souls gamesI want demon souls 2 and i'm never going to fucking get ityou dodge roll dex niggas have like 5 games fuck off already
>>729678681Then even PS2 shovelware has much more to offer in the way of player actions and enemies that require you to use them to maneuver and succeed. What they don't often have is level design that can match From's best level design, but neither does Elden Ring.They don't have to "switch" to them, they can make their own brand of action game, there's a ton of variety. I'm not saying they should copy Devil May Cry. Their games have a lot more in common with Ninja Gaiden or Onimusha anyway. They had their own unique style with Otogi too, they could lean into that more.
>>729678839Everyone loved Zullie's channel before discovering she's trans, you people are fucking pathetic.
>>729678565lmao deluded cuck
>>729678828Elden Ring with the mimic tear is easier than most AAA moviegame slop.
>>729678897>Then even PS2 shovelware has much more to offer in the way of player actions and enemies that require you to use them to maneuver and succeed.No, it doesn't. The enemies are completely braindead and have very few moves, even the bosses. Fucking PS2 nostalgia babies
>>729678828Well, me being bad at videogames is still enough to do everything in Elden Ring, so clearly it also is a baby game. You're not going anywhere with your limp dick seething.That baby dogshit disney game is much harder than this baby dogshit From game.You can keep raising your standards for what hard means, but it's still harder than Elden Ring. Of course I'm talking about Critical difficulty, not necessarily Level 1, just regular critical, but if that's not fair to compare then Elden Ring is even easier because of summons and other retarded shit I'm not even taking into consideration because then the game plays itself and it's too stupid to take seriously.
why the fuck does souls game bring out the worst in redditors?
>>729677454No, this is a video of him explaining that his reviews are about his subjective opinions. Which is obvious. The issue is that he did not understand the objective events of SH2, and therefore his subjective opinions on them are invalid as criticism. If my criticism on why I didn't like Mario 64 was that it's a bad game because in it mario is a rapist that's bad criticism, since it's not in the game.
>>729678452Out of the 19 videos of his channel, 7 of them are just lame ass Soul Level 1 guides talking about his playthrough. He has 2 unoriginal videos on Silent Hill which offer no interesting insight. His Blue Prince video has baffling stupid and pretentious thesis that he meanders 40 minutes to get to. He is the embodiment of every shitty video essayist trait rolled into one.
>>729678987Those few moves are wildly different, fights are extended and require vastly different ways of avoiding them that a Souls game can't even dream of offering to you as a player option.You can't just roll through everything. The hardest move in the game isn't just a matter of learning to which direction to roll and when to avoid, or equipping the "very good roll" move.There's no universal answer and there are many more options from which to pick which makes learning every data fight as difficult as learning Waterfowl.
>>729679216Except it wasn't criticism, he made a casual comment on his PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE opinion on the game during a stream.
>>729678839>loves DS2 (the most tranny coded game) >uses Zullie as a gotcha (named himself after a DS2 character)DS2sisters really aren't sending their best
>look at this eceleb's opinion!!!!>312 bumps
>>729679546>inflammatory opinion>Elden RingThreads like this reach bump limit daily
>>729660145>2022 Elden Ring just got released>War broke out within hoursgood times
>>729679301His SH2 video does a good job of explaining what SH2 is about, but since the game is pretty old now you may have heard it before. His Blue Prince video is all leading up to the end and he needed to include everything else to make the ending meaningful. The point of the meandering is to convey what he was going through while playing the game and trying to do absolutely everything.I haven't seen a better video on Blue Prince so I'm not sure what you'd want in a video about it
>>729677361there has been a cottage industry of fromsoft critique since the early matthewmatosis days, it's an entire genre of content.
>>729660145Elden Ring is boring, every boss has nothing to do with the game at all, you are memorizing moves and timings that won't help you anywhere else in the game. The ENTIRE game is like this, just memorizing, because reacting to things is too easy for the elitist crowd who can't help but state how gay they are and how EASY the game is.Bloated open world with lack of exploration rewards, tons of hard enemies guarding 1x mushroom, dead end hallways and paths that lead you to 1 arteria leaf that doesn't even respawn. Worst netcode on release with constant disconnects, still terrible to this day, it just now states you've been removed for suspicious activity any time their check misses 1 ping.Bosses? Actually 0 fun, I doubt anyone who actually programmed these bosses fought them, they are all spectacles that border on tedium, the game has turned into an engine where you fight the next boss, the level design be damned. Typical NPC quests from them as well, completely non-sensical and with 0 markers or hand holding, which would be fine if going 2 steps into a new area didn't kill half your NPC's for no other reason than progress being tied to locations, which your allowed to go to and ruin said quests with 0 warningtons of weapons are actual trash, the weapon upgrading in general is complete dogshit>why yes, I would like to grind useless stones to level my new weapon up to par with my old one>oh wait, i can't because the GAME SUCKS and you aren't allowed to buy any stones until you are well past that upgrade tier
>>729680390nice wall of seethe, it's too bad that you were incorrect from the first sentence. the first three bosses of the game are designed to teach you valuable lessons that apply elsewhere in the game, all of which you evidently failed to learn. congratulations, try again some other time.
>>729680502What do they teach you?
>>729680026Matthewmatosis has these niggers seething a full decade later when he made two videos that said "maybe Fromslop games aren't perfect after all" and then peaced out. I'd say he won pretty thoroughly.
>>729680605He literally made up a Miyazaki quote in one of his reviews.
>>729663006If it takes 3 of you to beat me and you still lose that's sad
>>729662802Yeah, taunters tongue is broken because it's back-to-back invasions with 0 cooldown. Unless they changed that, either way it just sucks the way fromsoft went. It really seems like they don't give a shit, they don't even have a PVP covenant man.
>>729667740Insane comment and the dlc itself is terrible. Small boring area and the other boss was comically bad
>>729668389EXgf
>>729680781host right fucking now
>>729680605>>729680739The reality is that all video essays are nonsensical subjective views of media.
>>729680994I'm at work
>>729671354to be fair he has said he makes more money from youtube anyways, which is surprising considering he uploads once a year if at all.
>>729680739It's been well over a decade, and people suddenly demanded a "SOURCE?" on a Japanese interview that could well have been scrubbed from existence since then. But even if he outright invented a Miyazaki quote, who really cares? His Lost Soul Arts video is the most apt criticism of Fromslop that any video essayist has ever made, he anticipated Elden Ring's shitty design pretty much to the letter, and years ahead of anyone else.Seething spergs just want their life fulfillment simulators to be held in high regard no matter how dogshit the design gets, I just want more fun and unique games like early Souls.
>>729681291He didn't anticipate shit, all the things he wanted from Demon's Souls are in Elden Ring, it's full of secrets and unconventional game design that he supposedly love.
>>729681291>that any video essayist has ever madeIt cracks me up that someone can actually say something like this and be in good company
>>729663812it's a new base melee combat and in my opinion it is 10x better than what we had before
>>729681291>he anticipated Elden Ring's shitty design pretty much to the letter, and years ahead of anyone else.His video came out after The Ringed City, anyone who played the games as they came out saw it happening before their eyes. If he made it right after Bloodborne came out and during its honeymoon phase then you could say he predicted it.This video came out 5 days after Dark Souls 3 and makes the point in a few seconds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMBzBmC6Psk
>>729681032Everyone knows critics are just human biomass producing nothing of value to culture. People still watch them though because not everyone has a degree in media literacy, or fundamental principals of game design in this case.
>>729681510>all the things he wanted from Demon's Souls are in Elden RingHe goes out of his way to praise early Souls for having bosses who prioritize their emotional impact over their mechanics, something that no boss in Elden Ring ever does. There is not a single anti-climax fight, not a single boss who gets weaker instead of stronger in a phase two. He called out Fromslop relying on awkward attack animations as a crutch back in the days of DS3, and now everyone and his mother who has played Elden Ring makes jokes about the deliberately unintuitive boss telegraphs. This is very basic stuff, if you need it explained you either didn't watch the video or you're just retarded.>>729681551If you care about having a normal one that badly, I recommend leaving /v/.
Controversial opinion: Lies of P is better than any FromSoft game gameplay wise and story wise. There, I said it.
>>729682083>not a single boss who gets weaker instead of stronger in a phase twoScadutree Avatar does this thoughever
all main bosses in elden and skibidi tree are cancer, dungeon bosses are more like dark souls bosses and I enjoyed them
>>729682085all it's going to take is a single fromslop style game with a coherent and prestige style plot (ie. like expedition 33) for a real Emperor's new clothes moment for the dogwater storytelling conventions of Souls titles.It's actually baffling to me that Nipponese Gone Home story dripfeed through item explanations is still respected at all.
>>729682083You are so fucking stupid, goddamn! He didn’t want future games to rehash bosses from Demon's and Dark Souls, you're basically trying to argue that if there were bosses exactly like Maiden Astraea or Sif in Elden Ring then it would magically become a good game, no, what he argued was that future games weren't innovative enough with the bosses, but that doesn’t apply to Elden Ring because there are a ton of different bosses that are not just meleefests, especially in the DLC.
>>729682085movement is stiff
>>729681884ThePruld is based cause he can make a video poking fun at the games and still enjoy them instead of seething about them for years
>>729663395>>729661865strange rodent-looking man. his voice doesn't match his appearance
>>729666514Thats a particulary bad pic. He uploaded another one recently since he has been going to the gym for a while now. The dude is like 6’7 and jacked with long hair. Maybe some of the stalkers here saved it.
>>729682382I thought dailydoseofinternet will look like a dweeb but he is actually pretty good looking so I guess you cant judge people like that
>>729682717from his wikipedia
