Which man failed their student/protege the hardest?
>>729685902star wars is boring, gay and irrelevant so uther by default
>>729686091Kotor 2 exists though
>>729686091fippy bippy
>>729685902Uther didn't trust Arthas when he said he city must be purged and it ultimately cost him his life as well as Arthas' soul.
>>729685902This thread again?
>>729685902Obi-Wan did nothing wrong, it's not his fault Anakin was mentally ill.
>>729685902Obi Wan didn't fail. Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the Force. He did. He wiped out the jedi and ended their one-sided dominance.
>>729686091this, soi wars is for mindbroken cattle
>>729686091>Warcraft>not also boring, gay and irrelevant
Uther is such a massive fuckup it's not even funny.Obi-wan at least has a number of excuses in his defense.
>>729685902Uther, he talked but never listened. Listening was what no one did
>>729686407wc2 and wc3 are great
Arthas presented a harsh but logical conclusion to a situation that required quick, decisive action. He is also the Prince of Lordaeron and even though hes a paladin, was willing to completely shoulder and take the fallout for such an action rather than shift the blame or run. Uther and Jaina bailed out on him. Obi-Wan spent 3 movies helping and supporting Anakin even during a galactic war, before Anakin's own mental instability and outside manipulation from the literal embodiment of evil made him turn to the dark. Anakin never faced a huge dilemma like Stratholme, or maybe he did but since he was a war general it just got brushed off.
>>729685902Uther because he could have just asked some questions instead of jumping to "I can't help you purge Stratholm, Arthas." Obi-Wan never really had a chance to stop Vader until he was too far gone.
>CDs dont work and Blizzard said that the codes aren't valid anymoreFuck this, any way to play online?
>>729685902Uther consistently makes decisions that either would have destroyed the kingdom (Stratholme) or push Arthas further into desperation (petitioning the recall of Arthas's expedition) and then dies failing to protect the king's ashes from his fallen student.Obi-Wan just wasn't the right guy to teach Anakin Skywalker, nothing he could have done about it.
>>729685902uther didn't even try
>>729686828all he had to do was actually kill Anakin instead of leaving him in the volcano-looking place
>>729685902Neither of them failed. Arthas was possessed by a sword, anything he did prior to that was 100% the right call. Anakin was just a bitch and Quigon is to blame for training someone so old.
>>729685902Anakin failed Obi Wan from a certain point of view
>>729686779Purging Stratholme was the right choice. >let's wait for them to become monsters 15minites from now and then kill themUther literally just left knowing full well the undead would destroy everything.
Anakin was a brat whi got tricked into betraying everyone he loved. Arthas made a tough decision and was betrayed by both his mentor and his lover.
>>729687021He cut off all his limbs and watched him suffer third degree burns on a volcanic planet. He rightfullly assumed that Anakin would die there, from his injuries, exhaustion or the choking volcanic air. Its like when Benny shot the Courier, everyone assumed he missed, was incompetent but he shot you twice. The Courier is just a freak of nature who had insanely, good medical care before death, same with Anakin.
This is the tenth or so thread I've seen word for word reposted today that isn't even a general or any similar thread you'd expect to be spammed for shitposting. I know it has been said before, it just seems especially bad today.
>>729687249>ohh no people want to talk about parallels between a formerly popular vidya franchise and a formerly popular movie franchise?>noooo you can't do that on my /v/, where the Pauline feet threads be at?
>>729685902Uther never did anything right.Obi Wan by contrast nearly succeeded. Palps had to specifically take him out to the ass end of the galaxy to turn anakin because it wouldn't have worked if Obi Wan was there to counsel the guyI'll give you an example. If Obi Wan was in warcraft he would have helped with the culling. If Uther was in star wars he would have drummed Anakin out of the Jedi order after his first stunt and given him a red lightsaber as a parting gift.
>>729687181In other words he was careless. Had he done what he should have billions if people wouldn't have suffered due to Vader
>>729687021In the novelization, Obi-Wan sees the Emperor's shuttle fly overhead right as Anakin bursts into flame and knows he has to leave immediately. He considers mercy killing Anakin, but determines that he doesn't have time to do it and get out before the Emperor would arrive.Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than "I can't bear to kill my best friend so I'll leave him to burn to death slowly in agony."
>>729685902Uthor abandoned Arthas in a key moment. Its not Obiwans fault Anakin was scared a bitch.
Teachers in my school
>>729685902Let's not forget their actions post-betrayalUther did nothing while Arthas ravaged lordaeron's asshole for weeks. Then he died to a level 2 death knight and a bunch of ghouls.Meanwhile Obi Wan tracked down Anakin and killed him straight away.
>>729687601This is stupid. There would have been Imperial escorts with the Emperor who would have noticed him and fired.
>>729687801He used the forceWow, there you go. That was easy.
>>729687546Thats the complete opposite of careless actually. If someone stabs you in the chest, pushes you down a 300 foot hill, and you get mauled by wolves before someone came to help and somehow survive its not his fault you just got insanely lucky, in the .001%.
>>729686779>lets travel to northpole because a demon told me to go thereWas he genuinely retarded?
>>729687873It was logical. The undead could not be defeated in a straight battle, the campaign itself is all about this point. Every casualty is a new enemy. You have to strike at the source.Its worth noting that the scourge only got defeated by a grand expedition to northrend. Arthas was literally correct he just had no support from his disloyal alliance comrades
>>729687781Obi Wan didn't kill him, he got killed by Vader in their first actual fight
>>729687873He was actively chasing down Malganis to kill him. It was all an elaborate trap to get Arthas into icecrown and become the lich king by preying on his desire to protect his kingdom.
>>729687975>>729688137What if the demon lied and was really at south pole?
>>729686779>piclmfao it actually fits pretty well
>>729688230Considering how creatively bankrupt blizzard is im kinda surprised they never made "Southrend".
>>729686359>He wiped out the jedi and ended their one-sided dominance.Nigga that's Disney's retarded canon. It should be one sided, jedi are the right thing and they should be the only thing existing. Though the Jedis did become arrogant so they kinda deserved to get wiped by Anakin.
>>729688273>Blizzard unveils a new hidden continent>Southrend the true hidden, origin of the Nerubians, Vrykul and undead who have actually been around even before the Shadowlands
>>729688357The Jedi weren't able to listen to the will of the Force anymore and had become stagnant, dogmatic, and arrogant. Anakin balanced the Force by killing Palpatine and destroying the Sith, but he also fixed the Jedi by hitting the reset button and allowing his son to build a new Jedi Order that wasn't retarded. Fixing the Jedi was a bonus objective by the Force, not tied to the original balancing of the Force.
>>729688621Agreed but I wouldn't say that fixing the Jedi order is a "bonus objective" for the Force. Qui Gon respected and followed the will of the Force, he was the ideal monk that only cared about maintaining the balance of the Force. I think that for Lucas, Luke probably became a Jedi like Qui Gon and created a Jedi order that would be in harmony with the Force.
The situations are not even remotely the same. Anakin has given up everything for pussy while Arthas made a hard decision to the best of his ability and experience to protect humanity. Also with Anakin the entire Jedi council shares blame, they were all utterly retarded and have poorly guided him every step of the way, Obi Wan honestly did the least wrong. Uther is such a piece of shit it's honestly unreal. He provided no alternative, he didn't advice his student. He just abandoned him immediately like a little bitch. Uther is genuinely the worst mentor you can have.
>>729686779>Arthas presented a harsh but logical conclusionNah arthas was a pussy ass bitch lmaoTrue Paladins would just purge the undead when they actually turn undeadYou can't be a paladin and take the easy way out just because you're a nigger
>>729689060Luke pretty much became the ideal Jedi in history both from endless conflict and personal tragedy from his dead wife and nephews. The last we hear of him in the old EU was setting off on some new adventure.
>>729689060Republic jedi were like knights, where they should have been monks?Make sense. Not sure what Lucas really intended, though. I get the feeling he never really thought it through that far. He just wanted it to be a good vs. evil thing.
>>729689205>second largest human city on the entire planet>dude let's just wait until people turn into zombies individually, I bet there won't be any panics or mass riots when we inform the peasants of the undead apocalypse that has already infected their cityThe soldiers responsible for putting their lives at risk to fight the zombies are going to love that.
>>729689205The "true paladins" all ran away like the little cuckolds they are because it was more important watching their wives have sex with real men then face the crisis.
>>729689318EU was gay and not canon too desu. Only thing that matter are the movies and Clone Wars.>>729689387I mean for Lucas Jedis are supposed to be monks which are the good guys opposing the evil guys yeah.
>>729689531>EU was gay and not canon
>>729689531>Only thing that matter are the movies and Clone Wars.The six movies and Genndy Clone Wars.
>>729685902Uther was shitting on Arthas since day 1. At Hearthglen, he straight-up insults Arthas' capabilities, shouts Arthas down when he stands up for himself, and doesn't talk to Arthas about the undead until Stratholm, at which point it's too late.All Uther needed to do was listen to Arthas. He couldn't have fucked up harder.
>>729689643Old Republic had some cool stuff but the rest was pure rancid shit. Lucas was 100% right to disavow EU>>729689740>six moviesthis goes without saying ofc
>>729685902Ben was closer to a "bro" master rather than a proper master. Annie's main problem was he needed a father figure master.
>>729689791What really gets me about Uther's 2righteous4u bullshit is that if he really, truly felt that purging Stratholme was unconscionable; then he has the duty to fight Arthas and stop him from committing what Uther views as mass murder of their own people. Instead he just walks away.He would have been wrong to fight Arthas. He would have been a traitor fighting for the destruction of Lordaeron. But at least he would be acting consistently with his stated morals. Walking away after telling Arthas it literally doesn't matter how fucked Stratholme already is makes him a hypocrite and a fraud.
Warcraft 3 has an extremely poorly written story so I'm not even sure if Uther really was supposed to look like the biggest piece of shit imaginable. Meanwhile Obi Wan is the best written character in the prequels and played by the best actor of the prequels so it's not really a fair comparison.
>>729689816You just sound like you're parroting youtubers or random people on the internet if you think the entire EU was bad. Given that most people here do that anyways as default I don't know if you're proud of that fact or not or even register it as part of your personality now.
>>729690081>Meanwhile Obi Wan is the best written character in the prequels and played by the best actor of the prequels so it's not really a fair comparison.Enter Ian McDiarmid
>>729690242Can't take him seriously since he got destroyed by Samuel L. Jackson.
>>729690146You actually sound like someone who watches youtubers, that shit would have never crossed my mind. I forgot that even such a thing still exist in the big 2025 (2026). Who the fuck cares about youtubers? So fucking irrelevant. I made my own opinion after seeing all the garbage that the EU produced. And I'm being fair because I did say that Old Republic had some cool stuff
>>729689472>OMG THINK OF THE HECKIN SOLDIERS THAT HAVE TO DO THEIR HECKIN JOBS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>GIVE ME FREEDOM GIVE ME FIRE GIVE ME INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO SLAUGHTERLook at this nigger lmao>>729689485The true Paladins didn't kill innocent people because they were scared of some zombies, the true paladins didn't get baited by a fucking demon like the most retarded black ape everBut if we ignore all of this, sure arthas "2iq" menethil was right
>>729688273as I far as I remember that Pandaria is the "Southrend" so to speak, not that it makes any sense from a geographical point of view or with all the new land masses found between Lordaeron and Northrend
>>729688621>The Jedi weren't able to listen to the will of the Force anymoreAre you missing the part where the fucking Sith were responsible for that?
>>729690664So the "true paladins" thought Arthas was clearly in the wrong but just let him do like he wants. Like someone else said, no matter how you spin it, the paladins and Uther always look like retarded hypocritical cowards because they just walked away instead of doing literally anything else, including just fighting Arthas for their beliefs.
>>729690664Those civilians are already dead. They're either going to be killed by the forces of Lordaeron and have their deaths be meaningful in preventing the fall of the kingdom, or they're going to be ripped apart by the walking corpses of their friends and family en route to the complete and total destruction of Lordaeron under the tidal wave of zombies that would spill forth from Stratholme.
>>729690875I'm not talking about the clouding of their ability to see the future, I'm talking about being such inflexible dip shits that their head librarian tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that a planet that obviously exists due to physics can't be real because if it isn't in the infallible Jedi Archives, it doesn't exist. They don't listen to the obvious realities of the world, they know best because they just do. There's a reason Qui-Gon Jinn, the guy who understood the Force well enough to be the first Jedi allowed into Space Heaven was always in friction with the Order.
>>729690875Surely Palpy couldn't cloud all of them?
Funny how the events of the entire SW saga post-Phantom Menace could have been avoided if Maul never killed Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was a total fuck up as a teacher even though he was a decent guy. He wasn’t that helpful to Luke beyond starting him off on his quest either.
>>729690875It's more they decided to build their temple on top of a concentrated mass of dark side for whatever reason.
>>729691436>He wasn’t that helpful to Luke beyond starting him off on his quest either.If it were up to Yoda and Obi-Wan, Luke would have killed his own father and either fell to the Dark Side becoming the new Vader or just died, leaving Palpatine to rule unopposed forever.The pre-Luke Jedi were so retarded and unwilling to learn from their mistakes, it's bananas.
>>729690875The Sith got stronger over time because the Jedi refused to open themselves to what The Force was telling them, they thought they were invincible, infallible, that the idea of evil returning in any form was impossible. Its the equivalent of a tumor growing inside your brain and every week you get a migraine.
>>729691464Wasn’t it explicitly because Palpatine was clouding their thoughts? That’s why they were able to figure out that there was a Sith in their ranks, but not who that Sith was.
>>729691674In ye olde novels, Plagueis explains that his master's master metaphorically shanked the Force and its bleeding was throwing the Force out of balance and making it harder for the Jedi to connect fully with it.I think in Disney Rat canon, Palpatine routinely does Sith rituals in his goon cave to cloud the Jedi's connection to the Force.
It's not their fault that their protoges were psychopaths.
>>729691579I always did think it was kind of weird how Lucas holds such a high opinion of Obi-Wan and Yoda especially, when the PT and OT show that Qui-Gon and Luke are the only competent Jedi.
>>729686779>or maybe he did but since he was a war general it just got brushed off.one of the problems with the prequels is that they basically skip most of the clone wars, because a lot of really important stuff for annakin's descent into becoming darth vader happens during this time.
>>729692014>Luke
>>729686708were*those games are older than me unc
>>729692102? NTA but he's literally the quintessential jedi and saved the galaxy. How is he not competent? Unless of course you're a Disney shill and think anyone considers that sIop canon
>>729692064I think in the movies you’re given enough to get the key points of what caused his downfall (His emotional instability, his attachments to loved ones, and the Council not taking him seriously despite his talent). I feel as though all the stuff that’s revealed in TCW animated series is either just reiterating those points or mentioning something you could reasonably infer anyway.
>>729692229I highly recommend you give the WCIII campaign a try my little zoomzoom friend. It's quite good
>>729692243Even if you just look at OT how is he competent? He struggles against mid enemies even at his peak at return of the jedi. If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed. Luke only becomes a competent master Jedi somewhere after OT and then he becomes some kind of senile retard in the disney trilogy.
>>729692512Why are you pretending Luke wasn't the one who redeemed Anakin?
>>729692064Padme was responsible for Anakin's fall.
>>729692512He was competent in terms of adhering to the Jedi’s philosophy and following the will of the Force. The other Jedi were better fighters, but aside from Qui-Gon, they all made at least one major fuck up along the way.
>>729692590Only partially. If Anakin wasn’t extremely insecure and attachment issues, he could have easily had a relationship with Padme without becoming overly attached. Kind of like what Obi-Wan did with Satine.
>>729692512>If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed.This only happened because Luke decided to show compassion to his father and believed in the goodness that was still in him. This is in sharp contrast to the failed Jedi who wanted Luke to cut Vader down. It was the literal only move that could have led to the salvation of the galaxy. There was quite literally no other way to defeat Darth Sidious.Just as the Force intended from the very start.
>>729692585Even if that was the case you are wholly giving Luke the jedi the credit for this feat even if it's a very fair point to make that Luke the son of Anakin is the main reason for the change of heart.
>>729690957>So the "true paladins" thought Arthas was clearly in the wrong but just let him do like he wants>IM CALLING MY DAD UTHER GET THE FUCK OUTYeah I wonder why the true paladins did nothing.Still less retarded than killing innocent civilians and traveling across the world to follow a demon that is literally bating your ass, but keep being a retarded nigger.>>729691015>Those civilians are already dead.Ok nigger, worthless argument.You still killed innocent people, good job retard.That's the only fact that matter.
>>729692819>>729692924SW is largely a Christian allegory, which is why the main message of the movies is how love and forgiveness saves the day.Also, Lucas was a boomer who grew up around the hippy movement, so he internalised a lot of their philosophy.
>>729692590>Padme is simultaneously one of the most responsible, respected politicians in Star Wars yet she falls in love with a teenage boy over one weekend
>>729686091Thank you for your service.
>>729685902Obichad did everything right. Anakin just went to far and had to full commit to being retarded otherwise it would have been extremely embarrassing
>>729693146Many such cases
>>729693146Tbf, she was in her early 20s in AOTC and Anakin was a hot 19 year old brooding bad boy.
>>729693225
>>729693146>Naboo elected a 14 year old girl to be the president of their entire planet
>>729693146>24 / 2 + 7 = 19She's cutting it close but I'll allow it
to this day i find it retarded writing that Uther was infuriated by Arthas' suggestion to purge the city when he witnessed firsthand how the plague wiped out the living then reanimated them as undead thralls under the command of the scourge
>>729693378Yeah but to be fair are you saying you wouldn't today if one was on the ballot paper? Considering the alternatives?Name one country where a hormonal teenager would do a worse job than the current ruler.
>George Lucas takes an interest in Warcraft after the prequels and Arthas and makes movie adaptations of WC1, 2 and 3 during the 2010's How does it turn out?
>>729693453Uther was a stand in for future leftists.
>>729693378>George was the one who pushed Dave Filoni to give Ashoka a mini-skirt>In the Indy films, George made it canon that Indy fucked Marion when she was 14I’m sensing a pattern here…
>>729693378>Naboo also had no former military which meant a few representatives from the Trade Federation could conquer it in an afternoonI'm starting to wonder how Naboo is even standing...
>>729693492If the ruler was a 14 year old then even the lowest IQ niggers would realize that they are living in a puppet state. This shit is like when Joffrey became king in game of thrones. Not a singler nigger in the kingdom even thought a second that Joffrey holds actual power.
>>729693618They had a military, which is why they had these flying sex machines.It was just a little bitch military befitting the kind of hippie retard no real problems society that would elect a teenage girl as leader.
>>729691592>all that retarded shit you just typedOh shit nigger what are you doing?
>>729693618The Galaxy hadn’t been at war for centuries at that point. Everyone thought the Sith were dead and that the Republic had basically won.
>>729685902Uther hands-down
>>729693583>Indy fucked Marion when she was 14Wait is this actually dropped in the movies or is it some weird "lore" mentioned in an interview?
Was Uther even Arthas mentor at all? I had a feeling Arthas just showed great respect to him and that's it.
>>729693742Basically ceremonial royal ships. Built for looks rather than proper interstellar warfare.
>>729693146>>729693248>Padme: "Anakin, we're a Jedi and a Sentator, we can't be together!">She says, wearing the Dick Destroyer 3000 in front of the pent-up celibate monkHonestly the funniest part about Episode 2 and I doubt George realized how absurd it was.
>>729693893Interview I believe. IIRC it was some kind of joint discussion between Lucas and Spielberg.
>>729693618Because no one thought the Star Wars equivalent of Amazon raising an army of robots to conquer Spain while the EU and NATO stood by and laughed would happen
>>729693948George put her in a crop top for the colosseum. He knew what he was doing.
>>729693854Man needs war, or else he grows weak, lazy and stupid.Everyone knows this. It's repeated throughout history, both in story and reality. Yet no-one wants to admit or accept it, because we all think we want to live in peace. It's the unattainable dream.
>>729693948Wasn't there a Robot Chicken sketch with this exact joke?
>>729693948Considering how campy all the movies are in general, he probably knew. He’s never been one for subtlety, which is fine because he wasn’t trying to be subtle.
>>729694030Built for aggressive negotiations in the bedroom.
>>729693854You don't really need to be at war to have a formal military division thats just common sense. Even if your enemy has superior numbers or technology, the fact you prepared for it is what counts. Naboo was like...overtaken the moment Gunray landed. And he didn't even deploy all of his droids. At least the Gungans in their underwater cities, surrounded by giant sea monsters had a real military.
>>729691775>'shanked the Force and its bleeding'That's stupid. Palpatine doing rituals to cloud the Jedi's vision before they even know the Sith are still around makes more sense even if it is Disney slop.
>>729687975>he just had no support from his disloyal alliance comradessounds like a major failure on his part
>>729693948>>729694030I don't really care if it's considered filler, I still like Episode II.
>>729688119>their first actual fightOkay bro.
>>729693968I know the Trade Federation were based off the East India Company, but it is kind of funny how the Prequels basically predicted the political trajectory of the 2000s and 2010s near perfectly. They even made an allegory for the Patriot Act in 2002, which was bold for the time.
>>729693583>In the Indy films, George made it canon that Indy fucked Marion when she was 14IIRC, in the original drafts for what would become TPM, George wanted to do the same thing with Obi-Wan and Padme but dropped it as time went on
>>729686091this, fuck sói wars
>>729694247>Attack of the Clones>look inside>it's a romantic dramaIt's a fun little movie but to this day I still have no idea what the fuck Lucas was thinking
>>729694203The Republic not having a formal military is the whole crux behind the formation of the clone army. Considering that the Republic was the single largest polity in the galaxy that simply couldn't be challenged economically until the Separatist Crisis made the idea of keeping an actual military unattractive because militaries are expensive to fund.
>>729687781>>729688119>>729694265https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXFM-IigZg
>>729694247It’s hardly filler considering that it establishes the main romance, the Clone Wars and basically everything that’s important in Revenge of The Sith. TPM is often regarded as the filler one, but even then it introduces the political climate and Anakin’s relationship with his mother.
>>729694358He had to explain how Darth Vader became Luke's father.
>>729694074Probably, but it's literally the first thing the comes to mind while watching Episode 2.>>729694247It IS tied for the worst episode with TRoS in my opinion, but it's at least a fun watch if you really, truly do not commit any brainpower towards being critical of the film. It's the most "flick" out of any Star Wars film.
>>729685902Obi-Wan, he totally dropped the ball on teaching his student to defeat the high ground like he knew how to do. What a bitch.
>>729694481He didn't need an entire movie for that. And he definitely didn't need it to be the plot of the entire clone wars movie
>>729694358>surprised that a swashbuckling adventure epic has romanceRomance is one of the key components of epics, and SW was written as an epic. Lucas was just using family tropes. It’s why the romances in both the PT and OT are written like 1930s Hollywood romances.
>>729688357But the prophecy only said balance, and decreasing to parity IS balance. The prophecy never said a single thing about it being a good thing that the prophecy would come to pass.
>>729694565When you train a student, you always make sure to teach them one fatal weakness that you can exploit in an emergency.
>>729694664That is how a bitch teaches. A real man teaches his student to the point that he would always lose to his student.
>>729694620>It’s why the romances in both the PT and OT are written like 1930s Hollywood romances.You know the prequels start to make more sense when you realize its just Lucas going with what hes been raised on.
>>729694361Militaries can be built and managed in a lot of different ways.The absence of any military presence makes me wonder how anything was ever done.Nearly every country has a national guard or an equivalent, meant for things like disaster relief, internal security, emergency response, search and rescue, commercial assistance, etc.The Republic seems to have spent centuries with so little conflict it makes 0 sense. A military isn't just used for warfare.
>>729694807I don’t know why people would look at it through any other lens. Literally every interview and DVD commentary Lucas has ever done has him go on about how he was influenced by old adventure serials, westerns and classic Hollywood. People shit on him for writing in the style of an old timey melodrama when that’s exactly what he’s trying to write.
>>729694664>>729694710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDKr0-Llooc
Reminder that to this day in canonical lore, over 20 years later, there is no cure to Undeath. Uther's "surely there's another way, lets quarantine for now and think about it!" still has no merit even retroactively with 20 years worth of hindsight.
>>729695039Seems like the fans outgrew Lucas.
>>729692512>If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed.Wow, it's almost like believing in compassion and the good of others while also trusting that the Force to work things out are like the quintessential traits of being a Jedi or something
>>729695092Oh they outgrew alright.
Stratholme was the 2nd biggest and most populated city in Lordaeron, it would be impossible to do a quarantine.
>>729693146She fell in love with a pre-teen boy anon.She, like most politicians, is a pedophile.
>>729695162With the other kingdoms still recovering from the two wars with the orcs, being the second largest city in Lordaeron probably makes it the second largest city in the whole world.
>>729692805>Kind of like what Obi-Wan did with Satine.Obi-Wan resolved his forbidden relationship crisis by completely abandoning the relationship despite being deeply in love with Satine to the point where they're still clearly not over each other after multiple entire decades apart, it's not really comparable to Anakin's situation at all.
>>729694343>George wanted to do the same thing with Obi-Wan and PadmeOh Obi-Wan was gonna pump some midochlorians into her exhaust pipe before Anakin could?
>>729695134So your entire point why Luke is supposedly the most competent Jedi is because he won at the end in the generic good guys wins at the end story? Despite him being a complete dork in every Jedi discipline and fairly weak?
>>729695525Post has the same energy as the limp-wristed>space wizards with laser swordsargument. Yes faggot, he won. He made the right choice. He saved the galaxy.
>>729695525>Despite him being a complete dork in every Jedi discipline and fairly weak?Luke spent 4 years between ANH and ROTJ teaching himself and learning in battle as a soldier of the Rebel Alliance. He only went back to Dagobah after spending a month there, during Yoda's death but before that it was all him. Hes basically a no-name, RPG protagonist starting out from nothing and getting stronger with each encounter. He can't be weak or ineffective especially when he has to teach himself lightsaber combat and force abilities.
>>729695691>between ANH and ROTJHell yeah Rogue Squadron and Shadows of the Empire
Arthas did nothing wrong.
>>729695678Leia won too, is she the most competent Jedi too?>>729695691We have seen his feats in ROTJ and he was unimpressive in all disciplines. Literally at the beginning of the film he struggled against super weak enemy forces.
>>729695691Tbf, destroying the big bad’s super weapon less than a week after leaving your home is a level of progress even most RPG protagonists struggle to keep up with.
>>729695904Who the fuck is talking about Leia? What kind of braindead strawman cope is this? Go away.
>>729696057Your entire reasoning why Luke is the most competent Jedi is because of his plot armor in OT while ignoring being complete shit at all Jedi disciplines when on screen. Also fuck this dishonest arguing. We have seen that Leia is the stronger Jedi in Disney trilogy and that Luke is incompetent as fuck since he is responsible for Kylo Ren.
>>729695904>Literally at the beginning of the film he struggled against super weak enemy forcesDid we watch the same movie where hes on a small ship and protecting himself and two other hostages from being shot at by criminals and a feared bounty hunter?
>>729695972>destroy gigaweapon>100,000 EXP>restricted to one level increase at a time>was already 99% of the way to levelling after escaping the death star and getting to yavinShould've bullseyed a womp rat before they left.
>>729696217Oh wow a few goons and a feared bounty hunter pushes the shit in of the most competent Jedi? Amazing.
>>729685902The prequels made Obi-Wan extremely boring.
>>729696195>Yidsney trilogyNoncanon sIop. You will hence-forth be ignored for being an unbelievable faggot.
>>729696195The what trilogy? What are you talking about? Did you hit your head?
>>729696306Acting like an obnoxious faggot to defend a poor point you made isn't a good way to win an argument.
>>729696308>>729696362Oh no, the delusional fanboy retards are heavily coping and ignoring all evidence against their narrative. Who would have thought.
>>729696418There are like 20-30 Jedi in the franchise who would have slaughtered everything in ROTJ without even breaking a sweat. Just stop coping already, you have zero arguments for Luke being competent. He used some naruto talk no jutsu bullshit on vader, that's his only feat.
If you played pala rifle ever leave this board now
>>729690324>me the moment my opponent has been unfairly distracted, he has turned his back, time out has been called, the bell has rung, and I've begged repeatedly and publicly for the match to stopI didn't hear no bells.
>>729685902Uther was a dick. thread over
>Disney homo thinks anyone cares about his shit takes
>>729696587Lucas did originally describe lightsabers as being heavy. He didn't intend for them to be jumping around, that was a later change.Maybe he shouldn't have done that and stayed consistent, but he did. If it had been that way from the start, Luke and Vader would have been backflipping all over Palpatine's throne room.
>>729696720Lucas took the paycheck to sell his baby.Mark Hamill took the paycheck to look like a fat retard that drinks alien milk. Lucas and Mark raped Luke and ruined his legacy, Lucas sold the strings, Mark sold his soul.
>>729697003Oh hi Trey and Matt
>>729697003You're not wrong. But I think you're grossly overestimating how many actual Star Wars fans consider anything that came after Lucas canon. When people rewatch the saga 99/100 times they're watching 1-6. The only """people""" engaging with the meat puppet that is Disney Wars are the absolute lowest of the low disney adult consoomers, and even then they immediately forget star wars exists and move on to the newest shit fed to them by the mainstream sIop conveyer belt. It's just not taken seriously.
>>729696948There were tech limitations involved in the OT fights, but you notice the fights getting gradually flasher with each film. By the time the Prequels came around, no such limitations existed.
>>729697225Even if you pretend it's not canon. Seeing your childhood hero being raped like this is like seeing your father getting raped. Even if it was against his will, you can never respect your father again to the same degree as before he was raped.
>>729697003Given how much of a mess the production of the sequels was it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Mark signed a contract for three movies before the second film had so much as a vague sketch of the outline of a plot.
>>729697280Anon was your father raped
>>729697287You can tell in interviews that Mark was disappointed with the Sequels. He had high hopes going in, but he was begrudgingly doing it by the second film.
