Which man failed their student/protege the hardest?
>>729685902star wars is boring, gay and irrelevant so uther by default
>>729686091Kotor 2 exists though
>>729686091fippy bippy
>>729685902Uther didn't trust Arthas when he said he city must be purged and it ultimately cost him his life as well as Arthas' soul.
>>729685902This thread again?
>>729685902Obi-Wan did nothing wrong, it's not his fault Anakin was mentally ill.
>>729685902Obi Wan didn't fail. Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the Force. He did. He wiped out the jedi and ended their one-sided dominance.
>>729686091this, soi wars is for mindbroken cattle
>>729686091>Warcraft>not also boring, gay and irrelevant
Uther is such a massive fuckup it's not even funny.Obi-wan at least has a number of excuses in his defense.
>>729685902Uther, he talked but never listened. Listening was what no one did
>>729686407wc2 and wc3 are great
Arthas presented a harsh but logical conclusion to a situation that required quick, decisive action. He is also the Prince of Lordaeron and even though hes a paladin, was willing to completely shoulder and take the fallout for such an action rather than shift the blame or run. Uther and Jaina bailed out on him. Obi-Wan spent 3 movies helping and supporting Anakin even during a galactic war, before Anakin's own mental instability and outside manipulation from the literal embodiment of evil made him turn to the dark. Anakin never faced a huge dilemma like Stratholme, or maybe he did but since he was a war general it just got brushed off.
>>729685902Uther because he could have just asked some questions instead of jumping to "I can't help you purge Stratholm, Arthas." Obi-Wan never really had a chance to stop Vader until he was too far gone.
>CDs dont work and Blizzard said that the codes aren't valid anymoreFuck this, any way to play online?
>>729685902Uther consistently makes decisions that either would have destroyed the kingdom (Stratholme) or push Arthas further into desperation (petitioning the recall of Arthas's expedition) and then dies failing to protect the king's ashes from his fallen student.Obi-Wan just wasn't the right guy to teach Anakin Skywalker, nothing he could have done about it.
>>729685902uther didn't even try
>>729686828all he had to do was actually kill Anakin instead of leaving him in the volcano-looking place
>>729685902Neither of them failed. Arthas was possessed by a sword, anything he did prior to that was 100% the right call. Anakin was just a bitch and Quigon is to blame for training someone so old.
>>729685902Anakin failed Obi Wan from a certain point of view
>>729686779Purging Stratholme was the right choice. >let's wait for them to become monsters 15minites from now and then kill themUther literally just left knowing full well the undead would destroy everything.
Anakin was a brat whi got tricked into betraying everyone he loved. Arthas made a tough decision and was betrayed by both his mentor and his lover.
>>729687021He cut off all his limbs and watched him suffer third degree burns on a volcanic planet. He rightfullly assumed that Anakin would die there, from his injuries, exhaustion or the choking volcanic air. Its like when Benny shot the Courier, everyone assumed he missed, was incompetent but he shot you twice. The Courier is just a freak of nature who had insanely, good medical care before death, same with Anakin.
This is the tenth or so thread I've seen word for word reposted today that isn't even a general or any similar thread you'd expect to be spammed for shitposting. I know it has been said before, it just seems especially bad today.
>>729687249>ohh no people want to talk about parallels between a formerly popular vidya franchise and a formerly popular movie franchise?>noooo you can't do that on my /v/, where the Pauline feet threads be at?
>>729685902Uther never did anything right.Obi Wan by contrast nearly succeeded. Palps had to specifically take him out to the ass end of the galaxy to turn anakin because it wouldn't have worked if Obi Wan was there to counsel the guyI'll give you an example. If Obi Wan was in warcraft he would have helped with the culling. If Uther was in star wars he would have drummed Anakin out of the Jedi order after his first stunt and given him a red lightsaber as a parting gift.
>>729687181In other words he was careless. Had he done what he should have billions if people wouldn't have suffered due to Vader
>>729687021In the novelization, Obi-Wan sees the Emperor's shuttle fly overhead right as Anakin bursts into flame and knows he has to leave immediately. He considers mercy killing Anakin, but determines that he doesn't have time to do it and get out before the Emperor would arrive.Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than "I can't bear to kill my best friend so I'll leave him to burn to death slowly in agony."
>>729685902Uthor abandoned Arthas in a key moment. Its not Obiwans fault Anakin was scared a bitch.
Teachers in my school
>>729685902Let's not forget their actions post-betrayalUther did nothing while Arthas ravaged lordaeron's asshole for weeks. Then he died to a level 2 death knight and a bunch of ghouls.Meanwhile Obi Wan tracked down Anakin and killed him straight away.
>>729687601This is stupid. There would have been Imperial escorts with the Emperor who would have noticed him and fired.
>>729687801He used the forceWow, there you go. That was easy.
>>729687546Thats the complete opposite of careless actually. If someone stabs you in the chest, pushes you down a 300 foot hill, and you get mauled by wolves before someone came to help and somehow survive its not his fault you just got insanely lucky, in the .001%.
>>729686779>lets travel to northpole because a demon told me to go thereWas he genuinely retarded?
>>729687873It was logical. The undead could not be defeated in a straight battle, the campaign itself is all about this point. Every casualty is a new enemy. You have to strike at the source.Its worth noting that the scourge only got defeated by a grand expedition to northrend. Arthas was literally correct he just had no support from his disloyal alliance comrades
>>729687781Obi Wan didn't kill him, he got killed by Vader in their first actual fight
>>729687873He was actively chasing down Malganis to kill him. It was all an elaborate trap to get Arthas into icecrown and become the lich king by preying on his desire to protect his kingdom.
>>729687975>>729688137What if the demon lied and was really at south pole?
>>729686779>piclmfao it actually fits pretty well
>>729688230Considering how creatively bankrupt blizzard is im kinda surprised they never made "Southrend".
>>729686359>He wiped out the jedi and ended their one-sided dominance.Nigga that's Disney's retarded canon. It should be one sided, jedi are the right thing and they should be the only thing existing. Though the Jedis did become arrogant so they kinda deserved to get wiped by Anakin.
>>729688273>Blizzard unveils a new hidden continent>Southrend the true hidden, origin of the Nerubians, Vrykul and undead who have actually been around even before the Shadowlands
>>729688357The Jedi weren't able to listen to the will of the Force anymore and had become stagnant, dogmatic, and arrogant. Anakin balanced the Force by killing Palpatine and destroying the Sith, but he also fixed the Jedi by hitting the reset button and allowing his son to build a new Jedi Order that wasn't retarded. Fixing the Jedi was a bonus objective by the Force, not tied to the original balancing of the Force.
>>729688621Agreed but I wouldn't say that fixing the Jedi order is a "bonus objective" for the Force. Qui Gon respected and followed the will of the Force, he was the ideal monk that only cared about maintaining the balance of the Force. I think that for Lucas, Luke probably became a Jedi like Qui Gon and created a Jedi order that would be in harmony with the Force.
The situations are not even remotely the same. Anakin has given up everything for pussy while Arthas made a hard decision to the best of his ability and experience to protect humanity. Also with Anakin the entire Jedi council shares blame, they were all utterly retarded and have poorly guided him every step of the way, Obi Wan honestly did the least wrong. Uther is such a piece of shit it's honestly unreal. He provided no alternative, he didn't advice his student. He just abandoned him immediately like a little bitch. Uther is genuinely the worst mentor you can have.
>>729686779>Arthas presented a harsh but logical conclusionNah arthas was a pussy ass bitch lmaoTrue Paladins would just purge the undead when they actually turn undeadYou can't be a paladin and take the easy way out just because you're a nigger
>>729689060Luke pretty much became the ideal Jedi in history both from endless conflict and personal tragedy from his dead wife and nephews. The last we hear of him in the old EU was setting off on some new adventure.
>>729689060Republic jedi were like knights, where they should have been monks?Make sense. Not sure what Lucas really intended, though. I get the feeling he never really thought it through that far. He just wanted it to be a good vs. evil thing.
>>729689205>second largest human city on the entire planet>dude let's just wait until people turn into zombies individually, I bet there won't be any panics or mass riots when we inform the peasants of the undead apocalypse that has already infected their cityThe soldiers responsible for putting their lives at risk to fight the zombies are going to love that.
>>729689205The "true paladins" all ran away like the little cuckolds they are because it was more important watching their wives have sex with real men then face the crisis.
>>729689318EU was gay and not canon too desu. Only thing that matter are the movies and Clone Wars.>>729689387I mean for Lucas Jedis are supposed to be monks which are the good guys opposing the evil guys yeah.
>>729689531>EU was gay and not canon
>>729689531>Only thing that matter are the movies and Clone Wars.The six movies and Genndy Clone Wars.
>>729685902Uther was shitting on Arthas since day 1. At Hearthglen, he straight-up insults Arthas' capabilities, shouts Arthas down when he stands up for himself, and doesn't talk to Arthas about the undead until Stratholm, at which point it's too late.All Uther needed to do was listen to Arthas. He couldn't have fucked up harder.
>>729689643Old Republic had some cool stuff but the rest was pure rancid shit. Lucas was 100% right to disavow EU>>729689740>six moviesthis goes without saying ofc
>>729685902Ben was closer to a "bro" master rather than a proper master. Annie's main problem was he needed a father figure master.
>>729689791What really gets me about Uther's 2righteous4u bullshit is that if he really, truly felt that purging Stratholme was unconscionable; then he has the duty to fight Arthas and stop him from committing what Uther views as mass murder of their own people. Instead he just walks away.He would have been wrong to fight Arthas. He would have been a traitor fighting for the destruction of Lordaeron. But at least he would be acting consistently with his stated morals. Walking away after telling Arthas it literally doesn't matter how fucked Stratholme already is makes him a hypocrite and a fraud.
Warcraft 3 has an extremely poorly written story so I'm not even sure if Uther really was supposed to look like the biggest piece of shit imaginable. Meanwhile Obi Wan is the best written character in the prequels and played by the best actor of the prequels so it's not really a fair comparison.
>>729689816You just sound like you're parroting youtubers or random people on the internet if you think the entire EU was bad. Given that most people here do that anyways as default I don't know if you're proud of that fact or not or even register it as part of your personality now.
>>729690081>Meanwhile Obi Wan is the best written character in the prequels and played by the best actor of the prequels so it's not really a fair comparison.Enter Ian McDiarmid
>>729690242Can't take him seriously since he got destroyed by Samuel L. Jackson.
>>729690146You actually sound like someone who watches youtubers, that shit would have never crossed my mind. I forgot that even such a thing still exist in the big 2025 (2026). Who the fuck cares about youtubers? So fucking irrelevant. I made my own opinion after seeing all the garbage that the EU produced. And I'm being fair because I did say that Old Republic had some cool stuff
>>729689472>OMG THINK OF THE HECKIN SOLDIERS THAT HAVE TO DO THEIR HECKIN JOBS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>GIVE ME FREEDOM GIVE ME FIRE GIVE ME INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO SLAUGHTERLook at this nigger lmao>>729689485The true Paladins didn't kill innocent people because they were scared of some zombies, the true paladins didn't get baited by a fucking demon like the most retarded black ape everBut if we ignore all of this, sure arthas "2iq" menethil was right
>>729688273as I far as I remember that Pandaria is the "Southrend" so to speak, not that it makes any sense from a geographical point of view or with all the new land masses found between Lordaeron and Northrend
>>729688621>The Jedi weren't able to listen to the will of the Force anymoreAre you missing the part where the fucking Sith were responsible for that?
>>729690664So the "true paladins" thought Arthas was clearly in the wrong but just let him do like he wants. Like someone else said, no matter how you spin it, the paladins and Uther always look like retarded hypocritical cowards because they just walked away instead of doing literally anything else, including just fighting Arthas for their beliefs.
>>729690664Those civilians are already dead. They're either going to be killed by the forces of Lordaeron and have their deaths be meaningful in preventing the fall of the kingdom, or they're going to be ripped apart by the walking corpses of their friends and family en route to the complete and total destruction of Lordaeron under the tidal wave of zombies that would spill forth from Stratholme.
>>729690875I'm not talking about the clouding of their ability to see the future, I'm talking about being such inflexible dip shits that their head librarian tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that a planet that obviously exists due to physics can't be real because if it isn't in the infallible Jedi Archives, it doesn't exist. They don't listen to the obvious realities of the world, they know best because they just do. There's a reason Qui-Gon Jinn, the guy who understood the Force well enough to be the first Jedi allowed into Space Heaven was always in friction with the Order.
>>729690875Surely Palpy couldn't cloud all of them?
Funny how the events of the entire SW saga post-Phantom Menace could have been avoided if Maul never killed Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was a total fuck up as a teacher even though he was a decent guy. He wasn’t that helpful to Luke beyond starting him off on his quest either.
>>729690875It's more they decided to build their temple on top of a concentrated mass of dark side for whatever reason.
>>729691436>He wasn’t that helpful to Luke beyond starting him off on his quest either.If it were up to Yoda and Obi-Wan, Luke would have killed his own father and either fell to the Dark Side becoming the new Vader or just died, leaving Palpatine to rule unopposed forever.The pre-Luke Jedi were so retarded and unwilling to learn from their mistakes, it's bananas.
>>729690875The Sith got stronger over time because the Jedi refused to open themselves to what The Force was telling them, they thought they were invincible, infallible, that the idea of evil returning in any form was impossible. Its the equivalent of a tumor growing inside your brain and every week you get a migraine.
>>729691464Wasn’t it explicitly because Palpatine was clouding their thoughts? That’s why they were able to figure out that there was a Sith in their ranks, but not who that Sith was.
>>729691674In ye olde novels, Plagueis explains that his master's master metaphorically shanked the Force and its bleeding was throwing the Force out of balance and making it harder for the Jedi to connect fully with it.I think in Disney Rat canon, Palpatine routinely does Sith rituals in his goon cave to cloud the Jedi's connection to the Force.
It's not their fault that their protoges were psychopaths.
>>729691579I always did think it was kind of weird how Lucas holds such a high opinion of Obi-Wan and Yoda especially, when the PT and OT show that Qui-Gon and Luke are the only competent Jedi.
>>729686779>or maybe he did but since he was a war general it just got brushed off.one of the problems with the prequels is that they basically skip most of the clone wars, because a lot of really important stuff for annakin's descent into becoming darth vader happens during this time.
>>729692014>Luke
>>729686708were*those games are older than me unc
>>729692102? NTA but he's literally the quintessential jedi and saved the galaxy. How is he not competent? Unless of course you're a Disney shill and think anyone considers that sIop canon
>>729692064I think in the movies you’re given enough to get the key points of what caused his downfall (His emotional instability, his attachments to loved ones, and the Council not taking him seriously despite his talent). I feel as though all the stuff that’s revealed in TCW animated series is either just reiterating those points or mentioning something you could reasonably infer anyway.
>>729692229I highly recommend you give the WCIII campaign a try my little zoomzoom friend. It's quite good
>>729692243Even if you just look at OT how is he competent? He struggles against mid enemies even at his peak at return of the jedi. If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed. Luke only becomes a competent master Jedi somewhere after OT and then he becomes some kind of senile retard in the disney trilogy.
>>729692512Why are you pretending Luke wasn't the one who redeemed Anakin?
>>729692064Padme was responsible for Anakin's fall.
>>729692512He was competent in terms of adhering to the Jedi’s philosophy and following the will of the Force. The other Jedi were better fighters, but aside from Qui-Gon, they all made at least one major fuck up along the way.
>>729692590Only partially. If Anakin wasn’t extremely insecure and attachment issues, he could have easily had a relationship with Padme without becoming overly attached. Kind of like what Obi-Wan did with Satine.
>>729692512>If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed.This only happened because Luke decided to show compassion to his father and believed in the goodness that was still in him. This is in sharp contrast to the failed Jedi who wanted Luke to cut Vader down. It was the literal only move that could have led to the salvation of the galaxy. There was quite literally no other way to defeat Darth Sidious.Just as the Force intended from the very start.
>>729692585Even if that was the case you are wholly giving Luke the jedi the credit for this feat even if it's a very fair point to make that Luke the son of Anakin is the main reason for the change of heart.
>>729690957>So the "true paladins" thought Arthas was clearly in the wrong but just let him do like he wants>IM CALLING MY DAD UTHER GET THE FUCK OUTYeah I wonder why the true paladins did nothing.Still less retarded than killing innocent civilians and traveling across the world to follow a demon that is literally bating your ass, but keep being a retarded nigger.>>729691015>Those civilians are already dead.Ok nigger, worthless argument.You still killed innocent people, good job retard.That's the only fact that matter.
>>729692819>>729692924SW is largely a Christian allegory, which is why the main message of the movies is how love and forgiveness saves the day.Also, Lucas was a boomer who grew up around the hippy movement, so he internalised a lot of their philosophy.
>>729692590>Padme is simultaneously one of the most responsible, respected politicians in Star Wars yet she falls in love with a teenage boy over one weekend
>>729686091Thank you for your service.
>>729685902Obichad did everything right. Anakin just went to far and had to full commit to being retarded otherwise it would have been extremely embarrassing
>>729693146Many such cases
>>729693146Tbf, she was in her early 20s in AOTC and Anakin was a hot 19 year old brooding bad boy.
>>729693225
>>729693146>Naboo elected a 14 year old girl to be the president of their entire planet
>>729693146>24 / 2 + 7 = 19She's cutting it close but I'll allow it
to this day i find it retarded writing that Uther was infuriated by Arthas' suggestion to purge the city when he witnessed firsthand how the plague wiped out the living then reanimated them as undead thralls under the command of the scourge
>>729693378Yeah but to be fair are you saying you wouldn't today if one was on the ballot paper? Considering the alternatives?Name one country where a hormonal teenager would do a worse job than the current ruler.
>George Lucas takes an interest in Warcraft after the prequels and Arthas and makes movie adaptations of WC1, 2 and 3 during the 2010's How does it turn out?
>>729693453Uther was a stand in for future leftists.
>>729693378>George was the one who pushed Dave Filoni to give Ashoka a mini-skirt>In the Indy films, George made it canon that Indy fucked Marion when she was 14I’m sensing a pattern here…
>>729693378>Naboo also had no former military which meant a few representatives from the Trade Federation could conquer it in an afternoonI'm starting to wonder how Naboo is even standing...
>>729693492If the ruler was a 14 year old then even the lowest IQ niggers would realize that they are living in a puppet state. This shit is like when Joffrey became king in game of thrones. Not a singler nigger in the kingdom even thought a second that Joffrey holds actual power.
>>729693618They had a military, which is why they had these flying sex machines.It was just a little bitch military befitting the kind of hippie retard no real problems society that would elect a teenage girl as leader.
>>729691592>all that retarded shit you just typedOh shit nigger what are you doing?
>>729693618The Galaxy hadn’t been at war for centuries at that point. Everyone thought the Sith were dead and that the Republic had basically won.
>>729685902Uther hands-down
>>729693583>Indy fucked Marion when she was 14Wait is this actually dropped in the movies or is it some weird "lore" mentioned in an interview?
Was Uther even Arthas mentor at all? I had a feeling Arthas just showed great respect to him and that's it.
>>729693742Basically ceremonial royal ships. Built for looks rather than proper interstellar warfare.
>>729693146>>729693248>Padme: "Anakin, we're a Jedi and a Sentator, we can't be together!">She says, wearing the Dick Destroyer 3000 in front of the pent-up celibate monkHonestly the funniest part about Episode 2 and I doubt George realized how absurd it was.
>>729693893Interview I believe. IIRC it was some kind of joint discussion between Lucas and Spielberg.
>>729693618Because no one thought the Star Wars equivalent of Amazon raising an army of robots to conquer Spain while the EU and NATO stood by and laughed would happen
>>729693948George put her in a crop top for the colosseum. He knew what he was doing.
>>729693854Man needs war, or else he grows weak, lazy and stupid.Everyone knows this. It's repeated throughout history, both in story and reality. Yet no-one wants to admit or accept it, because we all think we want to live in peace. It's the unattainable dream.
>>729693948Wasn't there a Robot Chicken sketch with this exact joke?
>>729693948Considering how campy all the movies are in general, he probably knew. He’s never been one for subtlety, which is fine because he wasn’t trying to be subtle.
>>729694030Built for aggressive negotiations in the bedroom.
>>729693854You don't really need to be at war to have a formal military division thats just common sense. Even if your enemy has superior numbers or technology, the fact you prepared for it is what counts. Naboo was like...overtaken the moment Gunray landed. And he didn't even deploy all of his droids. At least the Gungans in their underwater cities, surrounded by giant sea monsters had a real military.
>>729691775>'shanked the Force and its bleeding'That's stupid. Palpatine doing rituals to cloud the Jedi's vision before they even know the Sith are still around makes more sense even if it is Disney slop.
>>729687975>he just had no support from his disloyal alliance comradessounds like a major failure on his part
>>729693948>>729694030I don't really care if it's considered filler, I still like Episode II.
>>729688119>their first actual fightOkay bro.
>>729693968I know the Trade Federation were based off the East India Company, but it is kind of funny how the Prequels basically predicted the political trajectory of the 2000s and 2010s near perfectly. They even made an allegory for the Patriot Act in 2002, which was bold for the time.
>>729693583>In the Indy films, George made it canon that Indy fucked Marion when she was 14IIRC, in the original drafts for what would become TPM, George wanted to do the same thing with Obi-Wan and Padme but dropped it as time went on
>>729686091this, fuck sói wars
>>729694247>Attack of the Clones>look inside>it's a romantic dramaIt's a fun little movie but to this day I still have no idea what the fuck Lucas was thinking
>>729694203The Republic not having a formal military is the whole crux behind the formation of the clone army. Considering that the Republic was the single largest polity in the galaxy that simply couldn't be challenged economically until the Separatist Crisis made the idea of keeping an actual military unattractive because militaries are expensive to fund.
>>729687781>>729688119>>729694265https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXFM-IigZg
>>729694247It’s hardly filler considering that it establishes the main romance, the Clone Wars and basically everything that’s important in Revenge of The Sith. TPM is often regarded as the filler one, but even then it introduces the political climate and Anakin’s relationship with his mother.
>>729694358He had to explain how Darth Vader became Luke's father.
>>729694074Probably, but it's literally the first thing the comes to mind while watching Episode 2.>>729694247It IS tied for the worst episode with TRoS in my opinion, but it's at least a fun watch if you really, truly do not commit any brainpower towards being critical of the film. It's the most "flick" out of any Star Wars film.
>>729685902Obi-Wan, he totally dropped the ball on teaching his student to defeat the high ground like he knew how to do. What a bitch.
>>729694481He didn't need an entire movie for that. And he definitely didn't need it to be the plot of the entire clone wars movie
>>729694358>surprised that a swashbuckling adventure epic has romanceRomance is one of the key components of epics, and SW was written as an epic. Lucas was just using family tropes. It’s why the romances in both the PT and OT are written like 1930s Hollywood romances.
>>729688357But the prophecy only said balance, and decreasing to parity IS balance. The prophecy never said a single thing about it being a good thing that the prophecy would come to pass.
>>729694565When you train a student, you always make sure to teach them one fatal weakness that you can exploit in an emergency.
>>729694664That is how a bitch teaches. A real man teaches his student to the point that he would always lose to his student.
>>729694620>It’s why the romances in both the PT and OT are written like 1930s Hollywood romances.You know the prequels start to make more sense when you realize its just Lucas going with what hes been raised on.
>>729694361Militaries can be built and managed in a lot of different ways.The absence of any military presence makes me wonder how anything was ever done.Nearly every country has a national guard or an equivalent, meant for things like disaster relief, internal security, emergency response, search and rescue, commercial assistance, etc.The Republic seems to have spent centuries with so little conflict it makes 0 sense. A military isn't just used for warfare.
>>729694807I don’t know why people would look at it through any other lens. Literally every interview and DVD commentary Lucas has ever done has him go on about how he was influenced by old adventure serials, westerns and classic Hollywood. People shit on him for writing in the style of an old timey melodrama when that’s exactly what he’s trying to write.
>>729694664>>729694710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDKr0-Llooc
Reminder that to this day in canonical lore, over 20 years later, there is no cure to Undeath. Uther's "surely there's another way, lets quarantine for now and think about it!" still has no merit even retroactively with 20 years worth of hindsight.
>>729695039Seems like the fans outgrew Lucas.
>>729692512>If Anakin didn't have a change of heart they would have failed.Wow, it's almost like believing in compassion and the good of others while also trusting that the Force to work things out are like the quintessential traits of being a Jedi or something
>>729695092Oh they outgrew alright.
Stratholme was the 2nd biggest and most populated city in Lordaeron, it would be impossible to do a quarantine.
>>729693146She fell in love with a pre-teen boy anon.She, like most politicians, is a pedophile.
>>729695162With the other kingdoms still recovering from the two wars with the orcs, being the second largest city in Lordaeron probably makes it the second largest city in the whole world.
>>729692805>Kind of like what Obi-Wan did with Satine.Obi-Wan resolved his forbidden relationship crisis by completely abandoning the relationship despite being deeply in love with Satine to the point where they're still clearly not over each other after multiple entire decades apart, it's not really comparable to Anakin's situation at all.
>>729694343>George wanted to do the same thing with Obi-Wan and PadmeOh Obi-Wan was gonna pump some midochlorians into her exhaust pipe before Anakin could?
>>729695134So your entire point why Luke is supposedly the most competent Jedi is because he won at the end in the generic good guys wins at the end story? Despite him being a complete dork in every Jedi discipline and fairly weak?
>>729695525Post has the same energy as the limp-wristed>space wizards with laser swordsargument. Yes faggot, he won. He made the right choice. He saved the galaxy.
>>729695525>Despite him being a complete dork in every Jedi discipline and fairly weak?Luke spent 4 years between ANH and ROTJ teaching himself and learning in battle as a soldier of the Rebel Alliance. He only went back to Dagobah after spending a month there, during Yoda's death but before that it was all him. Hes basically a no-name, RPG protagonist starting out from nothing and getting stronger with each encounter. He can't be weak or ineffective especially when he has to teach himself lightsaber combat and force abilities.
>>729695691>between ANH and ROTJHell yeah Rogue Squadron and Shadows of the Empire
Arthas did nothing wrong.
>>729695678Leia won too, is she the most competent Jedi too?>>729695691We have seen his feats in ROTJ and he was unimpressive in all disciplines. Literally at the beginning of the film he struggled against super weak enemy forces.
>>729695691Tbf, destroying the big bad’s super weapon less than a week after leaving your home is a level of progress even most RPG protagonists struggle to keep up with.
>>729695904Who the fuck is talking about Leia? What kind of braindead strawman cope is this? Go away.
>>729696057Your entire reasoning why Luke is the most competent Jedi is because of his plot armor in OT while ignoring being complete shit at all Jedi disciplines when on screen. Also fuck this dishonest arguing. We have seen that Leia is the stronger Jedi in Disney trilogy and that Luke is incompetent as fuck since he is responsible for Kylo Ren.
>>729695904>Literally at the beginning of the film he struggled against super weak enemy forcesDid we watch the same movie where hes on a small ship and protecting himself and two other hostages from being shot at by criminals and a feared bounty hunter?
>>729695972>destroy gigaweapon>100,000 EXP>restricted to one level increase at a time>was already 99% of the way to levelling after escaping the death star and getting to yavinShould've bullseyed a womp rat before they left.
>>729696217Oh wow a few goons and a feared bounty hunter pushes the shit in of the most competent Jedi? Amazing.
>>729685902The prequels made Obi-Wan extremely boring.
>>729696195>Yidsney trilogyNoncanon sIop. You will hence-forth be ignored for being an unbelievable faggot.
>>729696195The what trilogy? What are you talking about? Did you hit your head?
>>729696306Acting like an obnoxious faggot to defend a poor point you made isn't a good way to win an argument.
>>729696308>>729696362Oh no, the delusional fanboy retards are heavily coping and ignoring all evidence against their narrative. Who would have thought.
>>729696418There are like 20-30 Jedi in the franchise who would have slaughtered everything in ROTJ without even breaking a sweat. Just stop coping already, you have zero arguments for Luke being competent. He used some naruto talk no jutsu bullshit on vader, that's his only feat.
If you played pala rifle ever leave this board now
>>729690324>me the moment my opponent has been unfairly distracted, he has turned his back, time out has been called, the bell has rung, and I've begged repeatedly and publicly for the match to stopI didn't hear no bells.
>>729685902Uther was a dick. thread over
>Disney homo thinks anyone cares about his shit takes
>>729696587Lucas did originally describe lightsabers as being heavy. He didn't intend for them to be jumping around, that was a later change.Maybe he shouldn't have done that and stayed consistent, but he did. If it had been that way from the start, Luke and Vader would have been backflipping all over Palpatine's throne room.
>>729696720Lucas took the paycheck to sell his baby.Mark Hamill took the paycheck to look like a fat retard that drinks alien milk. Lucas and Mark raped Luke and ruined his legacy, Lucas sold the strings, Mark sold his soul.
>>729697003Oh hi Trey and Matt
>>729697003You're not wrong. But I think you're grossly overestimating how many actual Star Wars fans consider anything that came after Lucas canon. When people rewatch the saga 99/100 times they're watching 1-6. The only """people""" engaging with the meat puppet that is Disney Wars are the absolute lowest of the low disney adult consoomers, and even then they immediately forget star wars exists and move on to the newest shit fed to them by the mainstream sIop conveyer belt. It's just not taken seriously.
>>729696948There were tech limitations involved in the OT fights, but you notice the fights getting gradually flasher with each film. By the time the Prequels came around, no such limitations existed.
>>729697225Even if you pretend it's not canon. Seeing your childhood hero being raped like this is like seeing your father getting raped. Even if it was against his will, you can never respect your father again to the same degree as before he was raped.
>>729697003Given how much of a mess the production of the sequels was it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Mark signed a contract for three movies before the second film had so much as a vague sketch of the outline of a plot.
>>729697280Anon was your father raped
>>729697287You can tell in interviews that Mark was disappointed with the Sequels. He had high hopes going in, but he was begrudgingly doing it by the second film.
>>729697254I don't consider Dragon Ball Super canon but Super raped Dragon Ball. It can never be the same as before the rape. It just is a truth I have to accept. That we all have to accept.Seeing our childhood heroes raped, even if we pretend it didn't happen. It has changed our perception of those characters. Even if we deny it, even if we don't want it. What has happened happened and we can never forget it.
>>729695486I think it was more that Padme developed a crush on him and Obi-Want had to sit down and legitimately consider whether or not it was a good idea for him to have sex with a 14 year old as a 20 something man. Keep in mind, this was so early into the script that Lucas hadn't even decided on a name for Padme, just the general outline of her character.
>>729697494Speak for yourself. Super is noncanon fanfic. It does not affect my enjoyment of what came before.
>>729697573No I won't speak only for myself. We are all victims of raped childhood heroes. I won't go alone trough this.
>>729697494I can't actually think of anything that made me feel that way. If I don't like a later version, I ignore it. The story ends where I finish it.There was only one Mass Effect game. Shrek and Fiona stayed in the swamp.
>>729695090Reading this post made me sad. Just a little bit and for only a little while.
>>729690875Man, imagine being (you) and actually being too stupid to actually understand the prequels.
>people thinking Anakin should've been killed or nonsense about how he brought balanceAnakin needed to become Vader so that he could discover the love of his son and destroy the Sith to end the corruption of the Force.If Anakin had died on Mustafar, Sheev would've won because the Force wouldn't have had its champion.
>>729689387Lucas's idea for Jedi was in their ideal state they would be a armed neutral party which served as mediators for other galactic factions.But instead of fulfilling that role they got wrapped up in the republic as a bureaucratic institution on account of it seeming like the most efficient way to achieve their objectives and over time it eroded their ability's to do their jobs.
>>729697254I don't even consider the prequels canon.
>>729697703Yeah you must be really fun to discuss anything with. Everything you don't like just doesn't exist.
>>729697868And even if I don't agree that's still your right and no one can ever take that away from you.
>>729685902Anakin was actively being groomed and both he and Obiwan were put in a much harder situation than Arthas and Uther.Uther's failures lie more within not realizing the type of person Arthas truly was up until that point.
>>729697894
>>729689205That's like being in a zombie apocalypse movie and waiting for bitten survivors to turn instead of executing them the moment you spot the bite.
>>729685902My father.
>>729698078Anakin also fought for multiple years in war before going crazy.Arthas had about 2 weeks of pressure dealing with Undead and went.>Damn, guess this entire city must be purged. I'll chase you to the ends of the earth Mal'ganis! Arthas is a baby who couldn't handle the pressures of leadership.
>>729698378Anakin went crazy over stale pussy. There is literally no way to defend this and not look like a huge cuck.
>>729698436And it still took him longer to fall than Arthas did.
>>729698512Replace Obi Wan with Uther and Anakin wouldn't even had made it trough podracing without going crazy.
>>729698436Anakin went crazy because he had a snake whispering in his ear while the Jedi and their restrictive Code weren't doing him any favors while the snake was promising him what they denied him.The whole abducted and tortured dead mother thing with him having visions showing her torture and having to be a general in war before he was even in his twenties on top probably didn't help his mental either.
>>729698857Bro, the snake said "slaughter all those jedi children" and Anakin went "yeah that sounds like a good idea, surely you are not the bad guy in all of this".
>>729698436If Arthas grew up as a slave and had to endure actual physical and mental training as a rigid warrior monk he would have ended up 10x worse than Anakin. Hell Anakin was made a general in a galactic conflict at 19, he was basically fighting around the same age as someone like Alexander the Great and still had to remain a shining beacon of trust and faith in the Jedi.
>>729699185>and had to endure actual physical and mental training as a rigid warrior monk he would have ended up 10x worse than Anakin.Are you saying Arthas was not trained at all in his entire life and was just gifted paladin powers for free? Also in your scenario, is Obi Wan or Uther training him?
>>729699185He had to not fuck a girl in exchange for his psychic powers and the promotion he wanted so fucking bad but didn't want to abide by any of the rules literally everyone else agreed to Everyone else agreed to this same shitHe could've fuckin quit at any time, hell Dooku is in the same fuckin story and he quit and became a private citizen and no one cared or even bothered to keep tabs on himWhen he didn't get his way he literally killed everyone including a bunch of defenseless unarmed children because of itHe killed every single person he knew and cared about that he could then he spent 25 years raging and killing more Fucking brat
>>729699091At that point he'd already killed Dooku and taken part in the murder of Mace WinduHe was kinda fucked either way t b h so in for a penny in for a pound, ya know?
>>729699348>I know I'm the chosen one but I wanna quitI'd like to see how they take it.
>>729699682So killing a sith and a black guy is the point of no return. Good to know.
>>729699802Mace would've been glad to be rid of them and they didn't stop anyone else in George's canon from ever leaving. It is definitely stated that Dooku tired of the Order and they did nothing to stop him, and George was responsible for Ahsoka as well, and they did nothing to her once she was exonerated and permitted her to leave. There is no reason they would not for Anakin and even if they didn't what would they do if he simply refused and flew off in a spaceship and quit? Kill him? The Order was voluntary, anyone could leave when they wanted.
>>729695090They managed to cure the deadzone shit the blood elf starting area had somehow so at least the land could be restored
>>729699898YesExecuting a helpless man and helping with the murder of a Jedi Master is the point of no return
>>729699898Anakin is a byronic villain. He's bad because he is detached from social events and people. His villainy is the catalyst for his aloof qualities and poor sense of community, not the other way around. Some people are bad because they are somewhat airy and preachy, others are evil because of their cunning and manipulative ways, byronic people are evil because they refuse to listen to social sense, conversation, genuine social law.
>>729694428https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1767149222326705.mp4
>>729700116that was a lot of words to just tell us you're a cuck.
>>729685902Obviously Uther. Obi-wan did nothing wrong, Anakin became Vader entirely on his own.
>>729699348>He could've fuckin quit at any timeThe thing is that Anakin has also, to an extent, drunk the Chosen One Kool-Aid and believed it was his destiny to be a Jedi at the very least, even though just quitting the Order and living somewhere on Naboo with Padme would solve 99% of his problems. That being said, I don't think it was Obi-Wan's fault either; he did everything correct according to the rules and customs of the prequels-era Jedi Order. The problem is that the prequels-era Jedi Order is legitimately awful.Honestly, if it's anybody's fault for how Anakin turned out, it's Qui-Gon's for making both Anakin and Obi-Wan believe that the emotionally-stunted possible Chosen One would best be situated in a stuffy temple located in a mega-urban hellscape full of reticent prudes who look down on him for having to wrestle with the human emotions they sheltered themselves from.
>>729686343>could save his mother from slavery>didn't
>>729700181I'm sorry I went to honor roll English?
Arthas is just a poorly written character and no matter what they add on, having a mental breakdown and purging an entire city then running to Northrend to ignore the consequences of those actions all because you dealt with Undead for 2 weeks is stupid.At least how Anakin was written in the prequels could be worked off of and more lore be given within the 3 years that were between Episode 2 and 3 to further justify his descent into madness.
Can we talk how there being only one Sith and his student is shitty writing and all star wars fans just conveniently ignore this?
>>729700317>Arthas is just a poorly written characterHe isn't.
>>729685902>Anakin's fall story>repressed emotions, inner conflict of being a space monk, deep-seated feeling of injustice the galaxy handed him throughout his life from being born in slavery to the jedi council bullshit to his mother being murdered by desert savages, turning to romance as sole coping mechanism violating the space monk code instructing you specifically not to give into emotions>Arthas' fall story>evil magic sword lol
>>729686091I could go into detail why I don't like star wars (anymore) but it would be a moot point, everyone has made every observation there can be and there is nothing more to say. I agree with you.
>>729700345>there being only one Sith and his studentThe Rule of Two is an ideal for the Sith but they undermine it constantly, it's just that half the time the extras just aren't called Sith (usually by a technicality in lack of training e.g. the Inquistors, Ventress, Maul & Savage, etc.)
>>729686779>childernesl meme
>>729700570I don't need extra lore. It's just extremely retarded. There should be far more Sith than Jedi since it's far more difficult to remain disciplined and in charge of your emotions than just rampaging with your powers.
>>729686091>>729686395>>729694349
>>729695525I don't know if you realize this or not but the Jedi lost. Anakin lost. The reason he (and the Jedi as a whole) lost was because they repressed their natural bonds, their love for their friends and family. Luke, however, embraced these emotions and he won because of it. If you can't understand that or don't like it, then I don't know what you're doing here.
Uther.Palpatine was a much more literal Prescence in Anakin's life whereas Ner'zhul was distant and manipulating events to influence Arthas. Palpatine forming an emotional bond in Anakin's mind and using Padme to fuck with his head gives Anakin a much more understandable struggle.Arthas made a bunch of correct decisions in terrible situations and the people around him abandoned him for it.
>>729700682But who would teach all these fledgling "sith" to be "sith"? You are under the assumption that just because someone is in touch with the force they can just manifest the ability to control it on their own. Even if they could to any meaningful degree, they wouldn't be sith. Just a rando with some force powers. Being evil or unhinged doesn't automatically mean they can use the dark side of the force.
>>729700856>and he wonYeah, just like Chris-chan "won".
>>729685902I don't really know anything about the one of the left, but Obi-Wan is just a symptom of a bigger problem that was the whole Jedi Order. Obi-Wan tried his best to care for Anakin as mentor and a brother in arms, but couldn't really do much of anything about the amount of agency Anakin had over the years. The most he could do was instruct him in the Jedi teachings and guide him towards the right path, but the problem is he wasn't equipped with the proper means to deal with the brunt of the negative emotions affecting Anakin, as well as the personal attachments he tried to hide from others, and that's due to the rigid nature of the Jedi teaching back then that forces it's students to detach themselves from the rest of the world. All of this allowed Palpatine to swoop in and act as the only father figure Anakin has ever known, allowing him to manipulate Anakin without the Jedi even being aware of it until it was too late. Then you have all the other issues of the Jedi order trying to maintain a peacekeeper approach, yet allows themselves to become a personal military for Republic leading to many lives lost in a variety of wars, Anakin saw issues with this which is one of the reasons why he fell to the Dark Side. Most Star Wars narratives leading up to the Galactic Empire even points a picture of just how problematic the order really was.
>>729700682>There should be far more Sith than Jedi since it's far more difficult to remain disciplined and in charge of your emotions than just rampaging with your powers.There are plenty of Dark Side force users, it's just that the Sith are a very specific subcategory of them and there is (usually) ≤ 2 of them at any given point.
>>729700950>corporate fan-fiction is his only defenseYep! Luke won!
>>729700682The problem is that the Dark Side is inherently selfish. Sith don't want more Sith because more Sith means more competition and they'll always be infighting and scheming to usurp each other.Their brains are wired to be all self-centered and angry and greedy and shit because of all the evil space crack they're on.
>>729700997In the OT and prequels the only dark side users are Sith. All that shit you pretend exists is fanfiction later made up. Dark side users are equal to sith in the original. >>729700942They don't need to be taught, just a lot more Jedi than just Annakin or Dooku have to embrace the dark side.
>>729700950Actually this is still in line with the core theme of Star Wars, even if it was executed in the most retarded way possible. Luke doubted that his bond with Ben could help him overcome the darkness in him. That moment of weakness resulted in Luke losing his nephew and everything he built
>>729696597Make me faggot.>I'm your shooter
>>729686207If only his dumbass thought of bringing some kind of proof
>>729694849>Nearly every country has a national guard or an equivalent, meant for things like disaster relief, internal security, emergency response, search and rescue, commercial assistance, etc.They do have that. That's the Jedi, and rhe local peacekeeping forces that each planet has.
>>729701217Using the dark side /= Sith.
>>729701352Where does it say or show this in the OT or prequels?
>>729701217>They don't need to be taughtYes. They. Do. That's the whole fucking point of taking on apprentices. And Sith take on very, very few.
>>729701217You can disregard canon as much as you like, but even as of Episode 1, Sidious was already training Dooku as his backup apprentice over Maul, undermining the Rule of Two by having a third Sith in the works.
>>729701404So how was the first Sith made?
>>729685902>Which man failed their student/protege the hardest?Your father.
>>729701217>In the OT and prequels the only dark side users are SithAnd three of the four were apprentices trained by the same guyMaul was first and died so Sidious turned to Tyranus but Dooku wasn't as cool a prize as Anakin so Palpatine made Vader kill him as a step in his corruption and fallAlways two there are
>>729701480Probably a really shitty dark side force user, who made some slightly less shit dark side force users, on and on until they were serviceable.
>>729701480>chicken or the eggName a more sure sign someone lost an argument and is found with their pants completely down. You can't
>>729701480According to the EU, a species with a natural connection to the Dark Side. Hilariously, when they went up against Jedi, even shitty, exiled Jedi who were fumbling their way into the Dark Side, they ate dirt.
>>729694639It's a Jedi prophecy, their concept of balance is being a peaceful Jedi, and dark side users are unbalanced by definition.Though if they'd said "harmony" instead people might be less confused.
>>729701604A more sure sign is when someone just insists they won because of some shit they made up instead of providing any arguments.
>>729685902Anakin was just the biggest idiot in the galaxy, that's not Obi-Wan's fault.
>>729686779>Uther and Jaina bailed on himDid you even watch the cut scene?>Uther approaches>Arthas demands he slaughter an entire city of still living people showing no signs of infection>Uther, who has just arrived not even minutes prior, asks him how he can even consider it and that there could be other options>Arthas insists on wholesale slaughter, again with no proof, and from Uther's perspective, uses his title like a spoiled brat to get his way>When he logically says no, Arthas then goes even further and declares the Silver Hand, one of the most loyal and righteous human orders of paladins in existence, entirely as traitors (again from Uther's perspective against who? Only Arthas) and relieves them of command>Then is also surprised when Jaina doesn't hop the bandwagon after a prince who looks to be abusing his power asks her to murder an entire cityArthas is, in the best light, impetuous and only wants to act, which is the cause of his downfall and thus not just Stratholme but all of Lorderon falls to undeath, making it all pointless in the end. He falls right into Ner'zhul's trap.
>>729701650If you follow the EU's image of Jedi, Order 66 would've had the Jedi all parry all the blaster shots and kill all the Clones in like two seconds.
>>729701686I like how some random secondary faggot on the internet comes up with the most shallow inane attempt at a gotcha and is able to completely convince himself he's on to something and state it with such confidence. Amazing. You completely misunderstanding the setting and nature of how the force works within it is a (You) problem
>>729701348And also Judicial Forces.
I mean, like, there ARE supposed to be lots of Sith, but they got massacred in the war and now with the total jedi victory it's probably hard to find actual instruction in dark side stuff without getting your head chopped off by a lightsaber. The dark side murders your impulse control unless you know what you're doing and any burgeoning Sith probably just meet a grisly end.And Jedi training IS actually good at keeping someone from being a Sith, since it starts from birth. Anakin specifically did not undergo the lifelong training that would let him repress his emotions; and that training works. It's not *good* that it works, and it doesn't make for all that good Jedi, but it seems to actually be effective in stopping you from becoming a Sith.
Genuinely how would Uther have reacted even if Arthas did bring him completely flawless conclusive proof about the infected grain and what it would do? Nothing would turn an oath sworn paladin toward killing people.
>>729701831Except everyone is misconstructing my point to get a gotcha. The rule of two is shit writing because it literally makes the universe shallow for no reason. So we can't even speculate that some hidden Sith exist in the wide galaxy because of this shitty rule. Try to argue just for once in your life my original point, try to argue why the rule of two is good writing that enhances the setting and story. Just attempt it. Don't force some other point, argue the original point I made.
>>729701831To be fair, there are so many fucking """fans""" who think "balance" means equal Dark and Light.It's a combination of lack of media literacy and power fantasy "Grey Jedi" bullshit wanting to do away with the need to keep yourself in check to keep your negative emotions from running wild and letting the Dark in and getting to get the "cool" powers with none of the cost.
>>729701893ACK-shually Bane Thought-Bombed all the other sith to establish the Rule of Two.
>>729702032The Rule of Two is, specifically, Bane's lineage informed by his ideology. Nothing really prevents some other Sith from existing somewhere else, having survived by simply not being in Ruusan when it went boom.
Guardian, Consular, or Sentinel?
>>729702112>media literacyHello plebbitor, hope you like it here.
>>729702117He didn't really thought-bomb them. They thought-bombed themselves. Like, he didn't build the bomb himself. They helped. If they didn't want to go boom they shouldn't have pooled their efforts in the planet nuke.>>729702145Sentinels are fun overall but Consuls get to have the best specializations.
>>729702145Guardian. Go max evil for Marauder. Then go max light side and get the heaviest armor possible. Light side Vader. This is the way.
What actually is a grey Jedi again?
>>729689078>Anakin has given up everything for pussyPussy is definitely a driving factor but Anakin's true love at that point was power. Power over the republic, his future, and death itself. Anakin was a helpless slave as a child and once he got a drop of power as a jedi he was addicted. Dooku once left the order because he disagreed with the jedi. Anakin could have done the same, but despite his bellyaching about the lifestyle he couldn't let go of the authority being a jedi gave him and that power led him to being a control freak
>>729702121Fan fiction shit that didn't exist in the original setting.
>>729702216>When Githany realized Bane was tricking all the retards into nuking themselves but she couldn't get out through all the commotionKino
wasn't the whole point of the RoT that Bane saw them get facefucked by the Jedi because they were doing scheming Sith shit so he didn't want so many retards around to fuck everything up in the future?
>>729686091Obi-Wan failed Anakin even in the original trilogy though, back when Star Wars was actually good. OP's image does imply he's thinking of the prequels though.
>>729702358Bane is canon in both Lucas and Mouseshit. Unless you're an OT purist in which case, sure but we don't really have anything to discuss then.
>>729685902Men, women and children. None were spared the master's wrathhttps://youtu.be/urpaT3P6uPk?si=wv99EuqnsYPUzofH&t=7
>>729702440He thinks Ewan McGregor's sexy?
>>729702396Bane's hangup with the Brotherhood of Darkness is that they were actually doing too little scheming Sith shit for his liking, to the point where they weren't all murdering each other in the streets until there was only one. That was his autism. He thinks, in his own words, that the more Force users are there the weaker they are.
>>729702270A jedi who disagrees with the Jedi Order (Qui-Gon) or is apathetic to the point of non-action (Yoda)
>>729702270Unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Jedi. Qui-Gon Jinn was CALLED a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Counci, but that was more a snarl word then anything else.
>>729702454I would accept evidence that it's canon in the prequels.
>>729702489Bane was definitely autistic but his thinking represents the sort of end-all be-all mindset every sith lord eventually comes to, he was just terminally autistic enough to make it happen. Ultimately the sith desire power, even, and especially over each other.
>>729702270Any Jedi who doesn't agree or fall in line with the Jedi Order. Basically it means "unorthodox." This can mean basically anything from just disagreeing with the Force Lightning ban to using some amount of Dark Side techniques to being against raising children as Jedi.
>>729702565You're playing with too many dividing lines here to have a genuine conversation. Lucas worked on the Clone Wars show in which Bane explicitly appears before Yoda as a force ghost and explains the rule of two.
>>729702694
>>729702396It's really funny that Bane's solution to "we're getting fucked by infighting and betrayal" is to make infighting and betrayal a defining feature of his Sith Order.
>>729689205Realistically city wide zombie apocalypse can't be purged by one person and hanful of knights.
>>729702758He knew he couldn't completely stop it, so he distilled down to one singular act that wouldn't totally compromise the Order.
>>729685902Uther by far. obi-wan couldn't do much more, Anakin was a retard.
>>729693378At least they didn't elect old corrupt criminal like real life people do.Wait a minute.... Lucas is a prophet.
>>729702694The genuine conversation is taking the original words said in the original and prequels and discussing them instead of discussing shit that was made up after the fact. Everything can be explained somehow. What matters is that the vision existed when something actually was made or it has no impact at all on the universe.
>>729702839I wonder if the Rule of Two ever got close to collapsing by virtue of a mutual kill or just an apprentice killing the master too early somehow before they got to learn everything they needed.
>>729702758The Old Sith didn't hide in the shadows they made grand plans, made enemies of too many people. It wasn't just about consolidating power, they just kept pissing off to many people and the instruments of their defeat were put in place.Under the RO2 the Master/Apprentice train until the inevitable day that one can surpass or fall to the other. The system clearly worked long enough for every apprentice to succeed their master leading up to Plagueis/Palps.
>>729696630THE DAAARKSIIIIIIIDE
Everyone absolving Obi-Wan of blame when he shows up to Mustafar stanced up like his dick was 12 inches long when Padme was trying to talk Anakin down
>>729702916You're just drawing an arbitrary line because you only interact with the movies. We have nothing to discuss. If you're not interested in the supplementary material then you get what you get and shouldn't try to break down discussions of anons who actually interact with the setting.
>>729702923Most masters had backup apprentices. Plagueis' master did and so did Palpatine
>>729702948YOU ARE CORRECT
>>729702270It's brain tumour created by the bunch of fans who made KOTOR and inspired others to run with pro-edgy concept.Grey Jedi is like Grey Sith - an oxymoron.
